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I see some people saying that they want ics on their phone way more and they are fine with honeycomb, and I just can't undersrand them.
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
With all these issues, which competing products with other OS don't have, do you still think honeycombs is fine? I certainly can't wait for ICS to be delivered to our Iconia.
EDIT: I forgot to mention about tge "more" part.
Ics is mostly update for unite between tablet and apps mostly for developing more apps for tablets and phones at the same time. If you are still stuck on honeycomb, we will be stuck with very few amount of apps that present for honeycomb right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
Thanks for listening to my rant
sw6lee said:
I see some people saying that they want ics on their phone way more and they are fine with honeycomb, and I just can't undersrand them.
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
With all these issues, which competing products with other OS don't have, do you still think honeycombs is fine? I certainly can't wait for ICS to be delivered to our Iconia.
EDIT: I forgot to mention about tge "more" part.
Ics is mostly update for unite between tablet and apps mostly for developing more apps for tablets and phones at the same time. If you are still stuck on honeycomb, we will be stuck with very few amount of apps that present for honeycomb right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
Thanks for listening to my rant
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i dont have any of these issues. im running taboony 2.2 with richards 3.7 kernel (oc'd 1.5) and i use opera and maxthon browser.
Im guessing youre stock. But dont get your hopes up ics wont necessarily fix your bugs. it may just bring new more annoying ones along.
I don't have most of these issues myself and I'm running Kekinash's rather stock 3.2 ROM with the HoneyVillain 3.4 kernel. I'm not doing any over-clocking with the kernel either.
The only isssue i was having was the Music app problem, but resolved it by using the Music Player for Pad app, which is just night and day superior to the stock app. I would be using MPP whether I had a problem with the stock app or not.
Other than that, I'm still loving the A500 (with Honeycomb). Of course I'm interested in ICS, too, but I expect it to cause more problems than it will solve.
Can't say I've had any of these issues with mine (portrait doesn't seem as smooth, but I very very rarely use it in portrait mode anyway [only when an app forces me to] so can't really comment there..). Running latest lightspeed rom + thor's kernel, oc'd to ~1.4ghz.
Personally I'm loving honeycomb so far..
-Dave
Same here all works well.Op there is a chance you could have some rogue apps lurking in background on you
sw6lee said:
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it
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Nope, not everyone: I ain't noticing such.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
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No one really cares, so yeah... I too just replied because I'm bored and can't sleep.
ICS is basically Honeycomb for phones, not much more man..
jon-.- said:
i dont have any of these issues. im running taboony 2.2 with richards 3.7 kernel (oc'd 1.5) and i use opera and maxthon browser.
Im guessing youre stock. But dont get your hopes up ics wont necessarily fix your bugs. it may just bring new more annoying ones along.
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Opera and maxthon aren't as smooth when scrolling as stock or dolphin for pad. I tried them both. Opera is laggy especially when zooming in and out, and maxthos is just so annoying to use because of its choppiness when scrolling.
autom8r said:
ICS is basically Honeycomb for phones, not much more man..
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So you guys are saying that google will just keep the bugs as it is? I can't guarantee of course, but if google will do that, then I certainly have no faith in google anymore. Why would people buy an android device? What the hell. To root it and void warranty to use it properly or dig through the market to make the device finally usable where there are original apps wasted, or can't even get issues solved, like portrait lag, and just live with it?? Don't tell me to buy an ipad, because I already purchased this, and I don't want to sell it cheaper, and buy another device.
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
And I dont have that many apps that may cause the system to make my tablet lag after going to home scren after running heavy task. And I know its not just my problem. I have seen other people talking about it too.
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion.
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Dang. Perhaps a different rom, I dig my stock 3.2 rooted by ezterry. I do have a little lag, but I have no less than 9 widgets. If they're running maybe kill a widget or 3. Same for the live wallpapers. I'm certain that there are quite a few other things that you can do to improve performance.
I don't have an iAnything. Never will. And I have to say that you're right about the smoothness. Those suckers are pretty sweet. But I'll take my widgets, customization, live wallpapers, usb, hdmi, Flash, sdcard, and so on/so forth over that any day. And if I change my mind I'll remove those things that are slowing things down. I've tried it and the tab is like butter.
Sooo...
I wish you the very best on your (possible) upcoming iAdventure. Hate to see anyone go, and holler when you get back!
sw6lee said:
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
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Cant say about others here. But personally i am very seldom in portrait mode. Reading manga probably the only time i am in that mode, feel pretty smooth on stock browser. The only time i see any lag, is when system is switching mode. But that is to be expected, given the processor/ram and the resolution; it will take time to adjust but its barely a second.
I have dual 24" IPS monitor form dell with very high resolution, on a system running at 4Ghz/12gig ram with high end dual GFX. When i switch those monitor in portrait, even they take few sec to adjust and populate the icon on screen.
sw6lee said:
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
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Been a while i used stock keyboard. I am using Thumb Keyboard 4, it has a little lag, but only because its show possible suggestion of what you typing. And usually its just a few words behind my speed of typing. I use Dolphin browser, but i have had no problem. Also use Stock browser too. I leave link and multiple tab open on dolphin browser so i can get to them later when i have time, never had any issue so far.
sw6lee said:
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
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Had the same problem. Got the Music Folder Player (free), problem solved. And since i use headphone to listen to music, i dont really care if i can see album art and stuff. Other wise i would use stock player since the screen be on because i wanted to see album art and stuff LOL. Also got the Donate version of Folder Player, since i wanted to support the DEV.
sw6lee said:
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
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Not sure what kind of heavy task you referring to. But i can run CF-bench, then switch to home when its done and have no lag at all... Or you can give some example of Heavy task you running, so i can test it on my system too.
I am running Stock 3.2 just modified for Root (Kekinash), with Thor's 3.7 Kernel. OC set to interactive 1504Max/608min. I didnt write the reply to prove OP issue wrong, just simply suggesting that there are answer to most of the problems just take time to find them, and the best part, you learn alot of new things as you try to find the solution of a particular problem.
That's one of the best part of Android you can make the OS work for you (some time and experience), compare to other Tablet OS that go out of there way to try to restrict you from manipulating OS to your advantage.
Not had any of these issues either with Stock 3.1, 3.2, Taboonay 2.2 or the latest Thor. Have had a little lag in the stock browser only in Facebook, but that's the page because it does it in every mobile browser except Opera.
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Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
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Are you kidding me? You have looked at market, and Hive is the *ONLY* music player you can find? I reckon I could find dozens in a matter of minutes.. Personally, I'm using MixZing and it's working well for me.. I don't recall having any issues with the stock music app shutting off when the screen goes off either so I'm guessing that's a setting you've tinkered with somewhere (funny how when you change settings, the behaviour of things changes hey?)
Also, who cares if the stock app isn't exactly what you want? I'm pretty sure you select what programs suit *YOUR* needs to play music/movies/edit documents/browse the web/scratch yourself etc on your PC, and if you had an iPad I'm sure you would select the apps that suit *YOU* on there too - so what difference does it make? NO manufacturer is going to ship a device with exactly the applications you want, thats the whole reason that we are able to go out and buy/download those which suit our needs!
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
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What exactly isn't right about it? I have a Motorola Atrix, I love the android implementation (because let's remember, thats what each of these devices ships with - another company's implementation of the android OS, not the bog stock "android os" from google) on there - straight out of the box without any modification it worked perfectly well.. And then I started tinkering and WOW! I could change damned near anything I wanted! FANTASTIC! But if that didn't interest me? NO problem, it shipped with a perfectly acceptable functioning system which well exceeded the performance of my wife's iPhone 4...
Almost every "bug" i read about, is nothing to do with android - it's do with someone's rom, or an error within an application - Windows applications crash, iOS applications crash, hell - even my old linux box used to crash from time to time when I started messing with things or running other people's software..
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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What is it that you and your friends ARE looking for in an OS? Because honestly, if what you want is something that *never* crashes, regardless of what you try to mess with, or that doesn't have *any* applications that are buggy or poorly implemented.. then I don't know, perhaps you'd best start looking for someone to port you a rom based on my old Nokia 5110?
/rant!
I found a solution to the OP's problems Here!
Guaranteed to fix his problems!
sw6lee said:
So you guys are saying that google will just keep the bugs as it is? I can't guarantee of course, but if google will do that, then I certainly have no faith in google anymore. Why would people buy an android device? What the hell. To root it and void warranty to use it properly or dig through the market to make the device finally usable where there are original apps wasted, or can't even get issues solved, like portrait lag, and just live with it?? Don't tell me to buy an ipad, because I already purchased this, and I don't want to sell it cheaper, and buy another device.
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An Android device is no different than any other electronic device or computer -- it's going to behave differently with different people. This is because of how each individual configures it, what apps they run, how they use it, even the environment (hot, cold, dusty, etc.) they use it in. No one here can say that you're not encountering the problems you say you are, but I can guarantee you that I won't be the last to tell you that I haven't encountered those problems.
I know you don't want to hear it, but if you want a turnkey system that minimizes the chance of encountering ANY problems, then you're going to have to go Apple. BUT keep in mind that you're going to have to accept some consolations with that decision, because Apple OS'es are very locked down so don't expect to be able to do much tweaking, personalizing, or customizing.
sw6lee said:
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
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Again, I don't have extensive problems with the stock Music app, but I have had ZERO problems with Music Player for Pad -- whether I'm running things from the widget or the full app. It's been flawless. Not disputing that you're encountering problems -- just saying that I am not and looking at the market rating for that app it doesn't appear that a large percentage of the app's users are encountering problems.
sw6lee said:
And I dont have that many apps that may cause the system to make my tablet lag after going to home scren after running heavy task. And I know its not just my problem. I have seen other people talking about it too.
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I'm sure, but what percentage? You have to understand, people aren't going to come to technical forums like this and others and post,
"Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm having a perfect experience with my Android tablet and Android in general! LOVE IT! Thanks, Google!"
People come here to post about problems they're having. Even if 30 people post to a thread having the same problems you are, that doesn't address the millions of other users who are apparently not having this issue.
sw6lee said:
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
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Okay, first of all, the way to a better operating system is not through Apple and definitely not through Microsoft. Both of those companies have had their share of stinker OS'es in the past (and present). I know it's difficult to look beyond your own experiences and needs, but the reason why Android isn't going to "quit the business" is because they are extremely successful and they are extremely successful because the vast majority of their users are very happy with the OS. Android is currently the most popular phone OS -- why do you think that should translate to them that they should "quit the business"?
sw6lee said:
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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Again, I know you said that you didn't want to hear it, but I think you've suggested your own best solution -- you need to go iOS. And if you're using a Windows based desktop or notebook PC, I would recommend getting rid of that and going with Apple, too. That's not meant to be an insult in any way -- you just don't seem happy using Android, and what most of us consider to be a huge benefit of the OS (open source, tweakable, customizable, etc.), you consider to be negative or undesirable. Why keep a device that makes you so unhappy? Take a loss, and buy a device you can be happy using. Life's too short.
shin lucifer said:
Cant say about others here. But personally i am very seldom in portrait mode. Reading manga probably the only time i am in that mode, feel pretty smooth on stock browser. The only time i see any lag, is when system is switching mode. But that is to be expected, given the processor/ram and the resolution; it will take time to adjust but its barely a second.
I have dual 24" IPS monitor form dell with very high resolution, on a system running at 4Ghz/12gig ram with high end dual GFX. When i switch those monitor in portrait, even they take few sec to adjust and populate the icon on screen.
Been a while i used stock keyboard. I am using Thumb Keyboard 4, it has a little lag, but only because its show possible suggestion of what you typing. And usually its just a few words behind my speed of typing. I use Dolphin browser, but i have had no problem. Also use Stock browser too. I leave link and multiple tab open on dolphin browser so i can get to them later when i have time, never had any issue so far.
Had the same problem. Got the Music Folder Player (free), problem solved. And since i use headphone to listen to music, i dont really care if i can see album art and stuff. Other wise i would use stock player since the screen be on because i wanted to see album art and stuff LOL. Also got the Donate version of Folder Player, since i wanted to support the DEV.
Not sure what kind of heavy task you referring to. But i can run CF-bench, then switch to home when its done and have no lag at all... Or you can give some example of Heavy task you running, so i can test it on my system too.
I am running Stock 3.2 just modified for Root (Kekinash), with Thor's 3.7 Kernel. OC set to interactive 1504Max/608min. I didnt write the reply to prove OP issue wrong, just simply suggesting that there are answer to most of the problems just take time to find them, and the best part, you learn alot of new things as you try to find the solution of a particular problem.
That's one of the best part of Android you can make the OS work for you (some time and experience), compare to other Tablet OS that go out of there way to try to restrict you from manipulating OS to your advantage.
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I meant heavy task, say web browsing for a few hours, and when I go to home screen, it reloads the widgets, icons and everything again for maybe 3 seconds, and when I try to do something then, like open app drawer or scroll desktop or open another app, it is insanely laggy. Of course, it's only for 3-4 seconds, but it happens often, and it's very annoying.
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Are you kidding me? You have looked at market, and Hive is the *ONLY* music player you can find? I reckon I could find dozens in a matter of minutes.. Personally, I'm using MixZing and it's working well for me.. I don't recall having any issues with the stock music app shutting off when the screen goes off either so I'm guessing that's a setting you've tinkered with somewhere (funny how when you change settings, the behaviour of things changes hey?)
Also, who cares if the stock app isn't exactly what you want? I'm pretty sure you select what programs suit *YOUR* needs to play music/movies/edit documents/browse the web/scratch yourself etc on your PC, and if you had an iPad I'm sure you would select the apps that suit *YOU* on there too - so what difference does it make? NO manufacturer is going to ship a device with exactly the applications you want, thats the whole reason that we are able to go out and buy/download those which suit our needs!
What exactly isn't right about it? I have a Motorola Atrix, I love the android implementation (because let's remember, thats what each of these devices ships with - another company's implementation of the android OS, not the bog stock "android os" from google) on there - straight out of the box without any modification it worked perfectly well.. And then I started tinkering and WOW! I could change damned near anything I wanted! FANTASTIC! But if that didn't interest me? NO problem, it shipped with a perfectly acceptable functioning system which well exceeded the performance of my wife's iPhone 4...
Almost every "bug" i read about, is nothing to do with android - it's do with someone's rom, or an error within an application - Windows applications crash, iOS applications crash, hell - even my old linux box used to crash from time to time when I started messing with things or running other people's software..
What is it that you and your friends ARE looking for in an OS? Because honestly, if what you want is something that *never* crashes, regardless of what you try to mess with, or that doesn't have *any* applications that are buggy or poorly implemented.. then I don't know, perhaps you'd best start looking for someone to port you a rom based on my old Nokia 5110?
/rant!
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I meant music player for honeycomb. These have controls in the notification bar, but other phone optimized music players don't have that, and while in an app, and you want to turn music off, you need to GO to the music app and pause it, and go back to the previous app you were in. This is why I don't use phone optimized music app on my iconia.
And the bugs I listed in my first post is all over the internet, so don't deny it. Maybe some few people don't have problem with it because they are running a custom rom, or using alternative apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/t...ic-will-not-continuously-play-sleep-mode.html
-Also, read description of Music Player for Pad and Hive Player on Market. They mention that their music player don't stop playing even when screen is off. They say that they changed a code or something.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbm8QAS3DI
The bugs are all over the internet. You are saying that only very few people are having the problems I mentioned or any problems, and it's probably because of what they have done to the tablet. If you can't believe me, see the links I posted.
sw6lee said:
And the bugs I listed in my first post is all over the internet, so don't deny it. Maybe some few people don't have problem with it because they are running a custom rom, or using alternative apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/t...ic-will-not-continuously-play-sleep-mode.html
-Also, read description of Music Player for Pad and Hive Player on Market. They mention that their music player don't stop playing even when screen is off. They say that they changed a code or something.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbm8QAS3DI
The bugs are all over the internet. You are saying that only very few people are having the problems I mentioned or any problems, and it's probably because of what they have done to the tablet. If you can't believe me, see the links I posted.
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180 complaints across two threads = "all over the internet"?
Even if you count all 180 as being definite problems with Honeycomb, when you consider the number of Honeycombs devices out there and in use, 180 problems is statistically insignificant. As of October 19, a total of 3.8 million Honeycomb tablets have been sold. That's not even a percentage figure I can post here without using scientific notation. Statistically, it's WAY below 0.00%.
In skimming through the posts that you linked to, I did notice that most of the posts are about Honeycomb 3.0 and 3.1, with only a few posts at the bottom of each thread being recent and/or about 3.2. How many of the problems reported with 3.0 and 3.1 were fixed with the subsequent updates?
You also need to realize that Google is not responsible for the hardware -- it's the hardware manufacturer's job to make sure their hardware works with Honeycomb. It's like blaming Microsoft for your Dell PC running slow. That's not Microsoft's fault.
And you basically say that most people reporting no issues have likely solved the problems themselves by what they've done to the tablet? Well...do that as well and then you and the whopping 180 people won't have any problems, no?
I'm not saying that you're not encountering any problems with Honeycomb -- I'm sure you are. However, you're an insignificant statistic to Google, and there are soooooooo many people running the same hardware/OS who are not seeing any problems that it is highly likely that your problems are
1. A configuration issue.
2. Caused by a 3rd-party app.
3. Easily fixable by way of tweaking the configuration and/or using an alternate app.
Again, not saying that you're not encountering problems, but these problems are FAR from being as common as you claim. I would advise trying to figure out tweaks to solve your (apparently rare) problems, or you should resell the tablet and move on, and just consider Honeycomb to not be the OS for you.
sw6lee said:
I meant heavy task, say web browsing for a few hours, and when I go to home screen, it reloads the widgets, icons and everything again for maybe 3 seconds, and when I try to do something then, like open app drawer or scroll desktop or open another app, it is insanely laggy. Of course, it's only for 3-4 seconds, but it happens often, and it's very annoying.
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I can completely understand few seconds here and there over time can lead to frustration, especially now that our tech are so fast and we not so use to waiting on every commands.
My only suggestion will be, and i dont know if you have already tried this. Try to get Rooted Stock 3.2 with diff Kernels. Personally i was surprise how much smoother thing ran compare to 3.1. I mean i didnt have any problems with 3.1, but after Rooted Stock 3.2 i started to see difference in response time on small thing and it was fast.
I am one of the silent millions, One hundred % happy with stock Three.two. No problems except sleep, but that will fixed. I just turn off. Hope you get working.
Device Info:
Nook Color running B&N 1.2 (Android 2.2.1)
ManualNooter 4-6-16
OC at up to 1.2GHz using Froyo 1.2 dalingrin OC emmc 090111
Problem: Text in some apps cannot be seen (ie Titanium Backup "Filters" screen).
Observations: This problem seems to happen with B&N Software Versions ABOVE 1.2 (I am currently running 1.2 because of this issue).
Search Results: I've only found mention of this problem (or something close to it) in two places: HERE and HERE.
Recommended Fix or Workaround: NONE
I just inherited a Nook Color about three weeks ago, it was reset to factory defaults (B&N 1.1). The person I got it from was running B&N Software version 1.2 with the latest recommended ManualNootered version (manualnooter-4-6-16) at that time. He could not get B&N Version 1.3 to work right. When I got the Nook, the first thing I did was to update it to B&N 1.3 and root it with the latest ManualNooter procedures, which worked great (the procedures had been updated since the person I got it from had tried to root B&N 1.3). Thanks GabrialDestruir!
One of the first apps I purchased was Titanium Backup. I noticed in Titanium's Filters screen there were Radio Buttons that had no text next to them. I was brand new to Android and had a lot to learn, so I made note of this issue to return to later. When I finally got around to addressing this issue, I discovered others had the same problem, but so far it was not addressed within the development community.
In my experimenting I have crashed and re-rooted the device many times, so I know the problem is consistent. I was becoming frustrated and asked the previous owner if he had the same issue with B&N 1.2. He did not. As of this morning, I have returned to B&N Software Version 1.2 and I can now see all the text that was invisible before - in every app I've tested and remembered had the issue.
The specifications above are the only changes needed to reproduce the problem. As soon as I was up and running, I downloaded Titanium Backup from Market. When I rooted the Nook using B&N Software version 1.2, all text was visible. Following the procedures to get the system up to the same place with B&N 1.3, the text problem reappears (text disappears).
Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated. If you have any questions for me or if I have forgotten a critical piece of information, please do not hesitate to post what you need here, I will be checking it daily.
Thank you for your time, effort, and help XDA! You've made a complicated procedure very simple.
I am experiencing the same problems with dialog boxes in many apps and widgets. I too have tried to find a solution.
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milliman said:
I am experiencing the same problems with dialog boxes in many apps and widgets. I too have tried to find a solution.
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Changing the dpi in build.prop to 160 helps, but does not cure the problem.
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Changing the dpi in build.prop to 160 helps, but does not cure the problem.
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Can I do that with LCD resolution?
This has always been a problem with the stock ROM, IIRC it's because typical Android text is Black and it's White on the stock ROM, therefore by default it's White on White in some apps.
If you don't need the Read to Me kids books or Magazines, use CM7 and the Nook market app, it doesn't have this problem and does much more.
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This has always been a problem with the stock ROM, IIRC it's because typical Android text is Black and it's White on the stock ROM, therefore by default it's White on White in some apps.
If you don't need the Read to Me kids books or Magazines, use CM7 and the Nook market app, it doesn't have this problem and does much more.
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Yea, so far, that's what I figured - the Nook is using a white background and if a program does not explicitly define the background and foreground text colors, but assumes the background is black, this is when the problem occurs.
I guess what I was wondering is if there is a way to change the default background color for the Nooks to black, and the default foreground text color to white. I read somewhere about "theme-ing," though, like I said, I am new to Android, could theme-ing be a solution?
I don't get your second statement. I already use CM7 (but only so far as for booting to use ManualNooter), and I have no idea what "Nook market app" you are referring to, or the Kid Reading stuff - do you meant the stock B&N stuff?. Am I missing a key concept here?
Or, possibly, are you suggesting I use CM7 to install a different ROM and skip the Nooter method altogether? I was actually beginning to research this - I can do without all the B&N stuff, it doesn't work right anyway and I have disabled much of the B&N apps. If flashing a different ROM fixes this and "does much more," I'm all for it. It will just take me doing a little more research and someone confirming this is what you are referring to.
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This has always been a problem with the stock ROM, IIRC it's because typical Android text is Black and it's White on the stock ROM, therefore by default it's White on White in some apps.
If you don't need the Read to Me kids books or Magazines, use CM7 and the Nook market app, it doesn't have this problem and does much more.
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I see! I will have to see if I can dig into the nook a little deeper and see if I can do anything about that. It is annoying but I'm not annoyed enough to change to CM7 yet! Plus I have a People subscription that I am enjoying ATM.
Trasd..You are using CWM to boot to manual nooter. CM7 is something else.
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Trasd..You are using CWM to boot to manual nooter. CM7 is something else.
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Ah, thank you, I was wondering how some people were runnig higher versions of Android - now I know.
Is it weird I love this stuff?
Well, as they say, back to the drawing board....
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The theory below is NOT the problem, but I left it up because I cannot delete it and is serves as reminder. Sorry.
ORIGINAL
I have made a discovery; the problem seems to happen, not because of background color assumptions, but when styles are used (an app developer, who was kind enough to debug and redesign his app for me, discovered this).
I am almost to the point in my self-education with Android and Java programming that I can verify this myself, but I am not quite there yet. If someone does verify this, could you please post your findings here?
As you can tell, I haven't flashed the ROM yet, and may not for awhile. It's running OK and I really want to concentrate on programming for the time being.
As more and more developers use styles though, I may not have a choice.
i'm really interested in this e-reader.
i was about to seal the deal with a kindle touch but saw the android support for this e-reader, and me being the android dude i am (samsung galaxy s2) i HAD to give this a shot.
quite briefly: i have a lot of pdf's already, and NEED good pdf support, or at least a good way to convert them to a good readable format.
also, I know with android I can use Google docs, Gmail, etc. how is typing on this thing? I have a great ics multi touch keyboard, would it work on the rooted nook?
oh and how much does android effect on battery life?
is this is e-reader for me?
Out of the box it has pdf support but not necessarily the best support. Here is a review with a video showing stock and rooted nook abilities with pdfs.
http://www.the-ebook-reader.com/nook-pdf-review.html
once you have it rooted you have the market to test a lot of different pdf programs. Probably is going to depend on what your looking at. i personally convert all of my pdfs to epubs with calibre. Every so often one doesn't format right but the majority are readable. I've been happy with this reader. I have a 6in eclair eink tablet which is pretty awesome.
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thanks for the response, it seems a rooted nook touch will be able to do quite a lot, I updated the first post to reflect my typing and battery concerns.
Hercules was here
For typing, I use my Nook to take notes on during class. It took a little bit of getting used to, but it's not that bad.
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[...] i was about to seal the deal with a kindle touch but saw the android support for this e-reader, and me being the android dude i am (samsung galaxy s2) i HAD to give this a shot.
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You will be able to do more than with a stock NOOK or Kindle, but don't expect too much. I've had mine rooted for about a month now, and have found that it offers a few more options that work very well as a reader with a few goodies added.
quite briefly: i have a lot of pdf's already, and NEED good pdf support, or at least a good way to convert them to a good readable format.
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I tried the readers, and they do work. I settled on Repligo. That said, these readers are definitely not designed for a device with an eInk screen and lacking multitouch. You can read a PDF, but there is a lot of flickering.
also, I know with android I can use Google docs, Gmail, etc. how is typing on this thing? I have a great ics multi touch keyboard, would it work on the rooted nook?
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Be aware that it runs Android 2.1, so many apps do not work. I'm using Maildroid for corporate Exchange, Google and IMAP email, and find it works very well. My favorite, Enhanced Email, will not run on this device. I found that Smart Keyboard Pro with a high-contrast display (black letters on white background) works with minimal flicker. Prediction does not work. Any keyboard animation generates a lot of flicker, which I don't like. Auto-prediction does not work correctly -- suggestions do not display -- so I've had to disable most of the automatic correction features. It does work well, though, once I get used to "typewriter" (all manual) mode.
oh and how much does android effect on battery life?
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That's up to you. With wifi off and allowed to sleep normally, it sips battery life. After extended testing, I find that it consumes something like 0.1% battery per hour. With wifi and screen on and in use, consumption goes to 4-8% per hour. If you load it up with widgets, background polling and the like, battery life will be very disappointing. Again, don't think of it as a feature-laden tablet. I've used Tasker to only enable wifi when a few specific apps are running, and to disable it when they exit, or the screen goes off. I'm good for at least several days, and I suspect a week or more before charging is required. It's hard to gauge, because every time I plug it in to USB to sideload content, it charges up so quickly.
is this is e-reader for me?
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No. It's MINE!
bobstro said:
I settled on Repligo. That said, these readers are definitely not designed for a device with an eInk screen and lacking multitouch. You can read a PDF, but there is a lot of flickering.
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There are eink-optimized pdf readers, like ---
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186949
--- that incorporates partial freshes, significantly reducing flickering. The URL has links for the freeware; there is also a version on the market that makes better of our hardware, for a very low price (no, I'm not the developer!)
Be aware that it runs Android 2.1, so many apps do not work. I'm using Maildroid for corporate Exchange, Google and IMAP email, and find it works very well. My favorite, Enhanced Email, will not run on this device. I found that Smart Keyboard Pro with a high-contrast display (black letters on white background) works with minimal flicker. Prediction does not work. Any keyboard animation generates a lot of flicker, which I don't like. Auto-prediction does not work correctly -- suggestions do not display -- so I've had to disable most of the automatic correction features.
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Just to clarify: Auto-prediction does work on some apps. In fact I wrote an app (for generic 2.1+ devices) that calls the most basic auto-complete macros and it works like a charm on NST, so there is likely to be an issue with how a specific app was implement.
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I'm using Maildroid for corporate Exchange, Google and IMAP email, and find it works very well. My favorite, Enhanced Email, will not run on this device.
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I just use the gmail app and it doesn't give me any problems, works the same as it does on my E4GT
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in all honesty, i never planned on buying my books via kindle or b&n so it really came down to the hardware itself for me.
simply put, after much research, the two are basically identical hardware wise (no sound on the nook but whatever i dont need it) and the fact that I can further customize a bit with android just put the nook touch over for me.
im gonna do a 2-3 hour charge, then root this badboy right away. im assuming this is the latest n greatest way to root our ebook atm?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1351719
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im assuming this is the latest n greatest way to root our ebook atm?
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It's not, actually. The author of TouchNooter made a comparison of the different rooting methods here. Ignore the TorimuNooter in that list, as it doesn't exist anymore.
Hello, i installed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1906507 kernel, adn i wanted to test FastMode.
And i noticed than is useless, because i have horrible ghosting effects - it's hard to read anything in browser.
It's normal?
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Hello, i installed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1906507 kernel, adn i wanted to test FastMode.
And i noticed than is useless, because i have horrible ghosting effects - it's hard to read anything in browser.
It's normal?
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The initial ghosting occurs (at least in fastmode2.apk) because the apk does not perform 1 full screen refresh after the start (yet).
Try to lock and than unlock the device after starting fastmode2.apk.
The other reason may be that you have 'NoRefresh' installed and it autostarts on boot.
Never use both NoRefresh and FastMode at the same time.Kill one or another using TaskXP (or similar apk).
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Yeah. I have checked it. Applying 1 full refresh helps a lot. (you can also try do display a white full screen image to get the same result).
If you have time you can edit the source of fastmode2.apk. I won't do this during this week for sure.
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Applying 1 full refresh DOES NOT helped me.
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I do not mean any offence but FastMode2 does the trick but with terrible ghosting. Nevertheless thanx to osowiecki
Mnurlan said:
I do not mean any offence but FastMode2 does the trick but with terrible ghosting. Nevertheless thanx to osowiecki
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What I meant by performing a 1 full refresh :
1. you can see extensive ghosting
2. I push the lock button, the screen blinks (full refresh)
3. After unlocking there is no (a little) ghosting effect.
It would be nice to force fullscreen refresh after fast mode gets activated.
Alas, That is not an acceptable solution for me (still poorly readable), I think the only way to get the NST working with normal resolution is to rollback to factory settings and install the FW with which this mode is working.
Now I realize that there is no way of getting any FW earlier than 1.2.1. I am stuck.
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Alas, That is not an acceptable solution for me (still poorly readable), I think the only way to get the NST working with normal resolution is to rollback to factory settings and install the FW with which this mode is working.
Now I realize that there is no way of getting any FW earlier than 1.2.1. I am stuck.
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"lurk moar"
stock image 1.1 for CWM
https://code.google.com/p/nst-recovery/downloads/detail?name=nook_1_1_update_cwm.zip&can=2&q=
Also..why not use NoRefresh then?
Both modes work on kernel v166.
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Now I realize that there is no way of getting any FW earlier than 1.2.1. I am stuck.
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1.1.2 FW straight from B&N
Also..why not use NoRefresh then?
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Yes, agree, I am a "lurk more" and thank you for the link - I would never be able to find it myself. We, Russian speaking people, used to say "to make someone's nose pointed in the right direction" . The only thing is I am not sure now that downgrading the FW is the right thing to do as they say that the performance was improved in 1.2.1.
I've tried every NoRefresh I could find, even some NoRefreshToggle-debug2.apk, they seem to be having no effect whatsoever so far.
2 straygecko - link seems to be incorrect. Thank you nevertheless.
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Yes, agree, I am a "lurk more" and thank you for the link - I would never be able to find it myself. We, Russian speaking people, used to say "to make someone's nose pointed in the right direction" . The only thing is I am not sure now that downgrading the FW is the right thing to do as they say that the performance was improved in 1.2.1.
I've tried every NoRefresh I could find, even some NoRefreshToggle-debug2.apk, they seem to be having no effect whatsoever so far.
2 straygecko - link seems to be incorrect. Thank you nevertheless.
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What do you mean by "no effect"?
You should run NoRefresh once (it starts it's deamon), then you run in the second time to get results.
By default the contrast options are set to "auto". Go to "NoRefresh Settings"->"Contrast Settings" and select "appear always".
Add shortcut to NoRefresh to 'quicknav' bar or any other place that you can always reach on the screen.
NoRefresh works only within the application that it was started with. When you change the focus to another apk, it stops.
If you are on stock kernel and 'NoRefreshToggle-debug2.apk' does not work, that means you don't have FW 1.2.1 installed.
Seems like I've now got a bricked device, neither Noogie, nor CWM can help - my PC doesn't "see" my NST anymore and I can't replace the uImage, the NST itself is working now, but this means I will not be able even to restore it to a saved image:crying:
A day later I've found out that for some reason my desktop PC ("floortop") refuses to "recognize" my NST (although "sees" it alright without Noogie or CWM), then I have managed to replace uImage on my NST using my son's laptop, yet FastMode is not working, same as NoRefresh, FW 1.2.1 (I'm positive), FastMode2 works fine but resulting view renders it useless.
Update: 26.04.2013 - NoRefresh is working, but the resulting resolution renders it also almost unusable. Just delivering my SitRep, not whining. Installed kernel 166 with CWM.
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I have same problem in addition dots. I tried different software versions(1.1.0-1.2.1), different root methods(nook manager, touchnooter, minimal touch) and also different kernels with all variations. But no change. Screen resolution is awful because of dots and ghosting. What the wrong?
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I have same problem in addition dots. I tried different software versions(1.1.0-1.2.1), different root methods(nook manager, touchnooter, minimal touch) and also different kernels with all variations. But no change. Screen resolution is awful because of dots and ghosting. What the wrong?
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Same here, try many kernels.
I thought it was normal operation of this modification. Oo
Well, I'm late to the party, having generated an apparently useless post here. But I agree with you all who are underwhelmed with the screen appearance using either of these two mods. I like the sprightly Android performance of the NST in FastMode, but there really is a lot of visual "noise" on the screen. NoRefresh is even worse on my Nook. I can hardly get an image at the beginning, the screen is almost an all white overlay so the contrast buttons don't do me any good because I can't see much through the white film (sort of like a bad cataract!). Scrolling a bit gradually brings in a fractured image and by the time the app has closed.
I've tried disabling the NoRefresh app entirely to see if FastMode would work better. No deal. Same poor image quality. Nothing like some of the YouTube videos I've seen.
FW 1.21, kernal 166.
But who knows? At least multi-touch is nice.
Is there any way to increase the screen sensitivity on the T280? I've only found one mention of the issue after thoroughly searching Google, with no suggested fix.
I'm comfortable with modifying system files such as build.prop and such, I just have no idea where to start!
The issue:
This screen is really slow to pick up touches, especially from a stylus.
When swiping (eg for pattern unlock) contact is often broken.
Even using my finger, when selecting text it's difficult to move just one letter at a time.
In handwriting/drawing apps, resulting text is extremely angular and jagged.
Here's what I've tried:
Changed "mouse sensitivity" in the settings (minor improvement)
Used 2 different screen calibration apps (minor improvement)
Installed debloated ROM (only one available; no improvement)
Removed some unnecessary system apps (will be removing more to free up space....)
Disabled settings that affect device speed such as animations
Several different stylus types (the most expensive work worst )
So, is anyone else finding this an issue? Is there a fix I don't know about? Is/are there a kernel tweak or something that will speed up screen response time?
I bought this tablet in part so I could use it for handwriting input using a stylus on a larger screen than my teeny S5. Unfortunately, the screen response is far too inconsistent and ...well, slow than I'd expected.
PushyPhoenix said:
Is there any way to increase the screen sensitivity on the T280? I've only found one mention of the issue after thoroughly searching Google, with no suggested fix.
I'm comfortable with modifying system files such as build.prop and such, I just have no idea where to start!
The issue:
This screen is really slow to pick up touches, especially from a stylus.
When swiping (eg for pattern unlock) contact is often broken.
Even using my finger, when selecting text it's difficult to move just one letter at a time.
In handwriting/drawing apps, resulting text is extremely angular and jagged.
Here's what I've tried:
Changed "mouse sensitivity" in the settings (minor improvement)
Used 2 different screen calibration apps (minor improvement)
Installed debloated ROM (only one available; no improvement)
Removed some unnecessary system apps (will be removing more to free up space....)
Disabled settings that affect device speed such as animations
Several different stylus types (the most expensive work worst )
So, is anyone else finding this an issue? Is there a fix I don't know about? Is/are there a kernel tweak or something that will speed up screen response time?
I bought this tablet in part so I could use it for handwriting input using a stylus on a larger screen than my teeny S5. Unfortunately, the screen response is far too inconsistent and ...well, slow than I'd expected.
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Unfortunately the drivers or the touchscreen hardware itself for the T280/T285 is not that good. I have a drawing app that I created myself and the touch event update rate is so slow it creates jagged lines. Best case is that it is a driver issue and we can fix it in the kernel, worst case the hardware just sucks and it is what it is. On my OMNIRom 6.0.1 SM-T285 device touch response is actually ok, it is the update rate and precision of the touch which is a problem.
Thank you so much for the quick reply, and for understanding what I mean.
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On my OMNIRom 6.0.1 SM-T285 device touch response is actually ok, it is the update rate and precision of the touch which is a problem.
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Congrats on getting most of the bugs out of that ROM! It was SO disappointing to read the "fine print" on your OMNIRom and discover I couldn't use it, as it looks pretty sleek, but you're helping others immensely with your work.
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Unfortunately the drivers or the touchscreen hardware itself for the T280/T285 is not that good. I have a drawing app that I created myself and the touch event update rate is so slow it creates jagged lines. Best case is that it is a driver issue and we can fix it in the kernel, worst case the hardware just sucks and it is what it is.
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Hooray for drivers being a possibility! There's something can be done about that!!
Do you find that the lines aren't quite as jagged running OMNIRom as with stock?
How would someone find out whether it's the hardware or the drivers?
Are the differences between 280/85 so extreme that I can't try anything on my own?
Is there anywhere I can "sign up" for testing any new tweaks or ROMs or kernels?
(Update on the issue: I ran the "screen calibration" test again and it says it's taken another 10ms off the response time. Not sure if I'm imagining it but it feels as if it's actually faster...)
I was also thinking, would the DPI have anything to do with the jagged appearance? Between this tablet and the 2 others I was looking at (both Galaxy - previous 7-inch and 9-inch) those had much better DPI ...or am I thinking of resolution? Those aren't the same thing, are they? In any case, it's worth checking into whether fiddling with the DPI might do any damage.
Do you find that the lines aren't quite as jagged running OMNIRom as with stock?
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I think it is just as bad
How would someone find out whether it's the hardware or the drivers?
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We will need someone to tinker with the kernel sources to found out. For the SM-T280 someone is working on making the kernel sources work. Unfortunately, though annoying it isn't really on the top of my list right now.
Are the differences between 280/85 so extreme that I can't try anything on my own?
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Devs working on the devices are actually surprised that there are more differences as expected for two devices that share the same family name.
Is there anywhere I can "sign up" for testing any new tweaks or ROMs or kernels?
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I just go through xda for my testing.
I was also thinking, would the DPI have anything to do with the jagged appearance? Between this tablet and the 2 others I was looking at (both Galaxy - previous 7-inch and 9-inch) those had much better DPI ...or am I thinking of resolution? Those aren't the same thing, are they? In any case, it's worth checking into whether fiddling with the DPI might do any damage.
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Based on the software codepath, DPI shouldn't really affect touch performance.
I wound up returning it and picking up the 7" Galaxy Tab E Lite (SM-113), which seems to suit my needs much better. While it's much more limited in some ways - no custom ROMs, limited to KK4.4.4, same small internal storage issue - the screen response is WAY better and I can get around the annoyances (largely - no, SOLELY - due to all the things this forum has taught me over the years. :highfive:
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Based on the software codepath, DPI shouldn't really affect touch performance.
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You were right. But it was fun to play around with! And I learned a few things in doing so.
We will need someone to tinker with the kernel sources to found out. For the SM-T280 someone is working on making the kernel sources work.
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I sure hope that someone figures this out soon because it's a pretty sweet little tablet, otherwise, and I can't be the only one for whom this is a deal-breaker.
Unfortunately, though annoying it isn't really on the top of my list right now.
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I totally appreciate that your time is valuable, and thank you immensely for taking the time to respond.
Similar issue
Hi,
Was wondering if anyone with these issues also experienced this: While the tablet is on, when watching something for instance, if the touch screen isn't used for a bit (say over 30 seconds) when I first press it it doesn't respond at all, to get it to wake up I have to press quite firmly, usually several times, before it starts working. Once it does respond I can use a much lighter touch so it doesn't seem like a screen protector or overall sensitivity problem, it's as if the screen goes into some kind of sleep mode becoming much less sensitive.
Anyone know about this/how to fix it?
Much love,
Tom