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In Stock 'Unlocked' HTC One Works On All Carriers (Verizon Unsure)

HTC just released the unlocked One on their website. Follow the link below. $574.99 with no tax unless you're in CA or TX.
Looking at the bands, it supports ALL carriers, unsure about Verizon, the LTE band is supported though.
This HTC One® unlocked version comes with: 32GB of onboard memory and is SIM unlocked. - HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz - GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz - LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
Unlocked HTC One Product Page
Just to check my findings, I called up HTC and talked to a pretty knowledgeable rep that said that the unlocked version did in fact support Verizon. He acknowledged the fact that Verizon wasn't selling the phone from their stores but HTC wanted it to be able to work on the network. We'll see about that.
So some signs are pointing to it working for Verizon. I already placed the order so I will see for myself in person if this actually works or not. As for all of you other guys, it will work on all other carriers here in the US. With the exception of T-Mobile's primary HSPA+ band (I forgot the actual number). But it does support T-Mobile's newer HSPA+ band (1900Mhz) which is already live in many markets, including Atlanta where I am.
If you know for a fact that any of this info is incorrect feel free to let me know and I'll change it.

Yeah, I'm really tempted to pick this up, vs picking up a T-Mobile unit in the store, but ... not sure on that one band change, from what everyone seems to be saying, If my area in not really provisioned for their new LTE yet, and I'm on their HSPA+ more, than it makes more sense to stick with the carrier specific version.
Eh, guess I'll ponder it a bit more, still in my early morning wake up funk brain wise.
Though I will pass this along to a co-worker who really wanted the One, but was stuck on Verizon, so was waiting for the hope of a delayed Verizon launch. With a 30 day return window, it doesn't necessarily hurt to try. (though I did notice that it seemed to say 30days or 30minutes talk time, whichever came first)

Htcdev confirmed it doesn't work on verizon
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DaleKaleD said:
Yeah, I'm really tempted to pick this up, vs picking up a T-Mobile unit in the store, but ... not sure on that one band change, from what everyone seems to be saying, If my area in not really provisioned for their new LTE yet, and I'm on their HSPA+ more, than it makes more sense to stick with the carrier specific version.
Eh, guess I'll ponder it a bit more, still in my early morning wake up funk brain wise.
Though I will pass this along to a co-worker who really wanted the One, but was stuck on Verizon, so was waiting for the hope of a delayed Verizon launch. With a 30 day return window, it doesn't necessarily hurt to try. (though I did notice that it seemed to say 30days or 30minutes talk time, whichever came first)
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I believe that the T-Mobile specific version works on both their old and new HSPA+ bands. It obviously supports LTE too.

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Htcdev confirmed it doesn't work on verizon
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Darn, do you have a link handy?

WCDMA is NOT the same as CDMA. WCDMA is UMTS/HSPA. CDMA is CDMA. They are not compatible and there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY the Unlocked HTC One will work on Verizon or Sprint. They are CDMA networks and do not support GSM/WCDMA/UMTS/HSPA regardless of the frequency band.

Lol no the unlocked is not a CDMA phone... Sucks to be a customer of CDMA carrier. There is always TMo or att you know.

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Darn, do you have a link handy?
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It on their twitter page WWW.twitter.com/htcdev
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kirdroid said:
Lol no the unlocked is not a CDMA phone... Sucks to be a customer of CDMA carrier. There is always TMo or att you know.
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If it works, great, if it doesn't I was already going to switch to T-Mobile anyway. And yes I am in the 1900Mhz HSPA+ area so I will be able to get it, and LTE when it finally comes to Atlanta. Not to mention I ordered overnight shipping (getting it tomorrow) and there is no tax so I will already be getting it for cheaper and sooner than other T-Mobile customers if it doesn't work on Verizon. Either way I win

It will 100% not work on Verizon. It's science. Just like the earth is round. Change the title and OP to reflect this or I will be reporting this to a MOD for deletion due to the mis-information and the possibility that it might cause someone to throw away $700.

What's all this talk about "Just Released" or "now" available? Wasn't the 32 GB Unlocked been available (to pre-order) along with the 64 GB Dev. Ed.? Does this merely mean that the phone is "in stock" now?

Electroz said:
It will 100% not work on Verizon. It's science. Just like the earth is round. Change the title and OP to reflect this or I will be reporting this to a MOD for deletion due to the mis-information and the possibility that it might cause someone to throw away $700.
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Wow calm down sir. Threatening of reporting is unnecessary.

raghav2511 said:
What's all this talk about "Just Released" or "now" available? Wasn't the 32 GB Unlocked been available (to pre-order) along with the 64 GB Dev. Ed.? Does this merely mean that the phone is "in stock" now?
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Available to order, in stock now yes.

Out of stock now

Doesn't work on sprint either so this thread should be closed
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This thread delivers misinformation, as the unlocked version does not support any CDMA carrier, so the information "works on all carriers" is plain simple wrong. Please research a bit more thorough before posting a thread in the future.

Xperia Z3 on T-Mobile

I know there's a T-Mobile announcement on Oct 9 where the Z3 is likely to be revealed. Do these announcements usually follow the sale of the device the next day? I'm debating on either getting the international version or waiting for the T-Mobile announcement. I'm just not a fan of the carrier branding. I'm hoping Sony sells the device on their US site to buy directly rather than through T-Mobile. Anyone have any input? Then again, maybe I'll wait for the Nexus 6/X or whatever. I hate so many choices!
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If there's branding it will be on the back, unlike Verizon who brands their phones like there's no tomorrow.

Jfree3000 said:
If there's branding it will be on the back, unlike Verizon who brands their phones like there's no tomorrow.
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This is true
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I'm using an international Z3 on T-Mobile (the Dual-SIM version) - works as expected, though no WiFi Calling.

Is that hardware limitation though? Any way to get an unlocked z3 that has tmobile wifi calling?

Nope only t-mobile phones are capable of this.

This is the press picture for T-Mobile
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/T-Mobile-Xperia-Z3_1-640x433.jpg
Also if you search the web, there is a video of unboxing for Z3 T-Mobile and it shows everything of it.

It is a software restriction, but ever since the BB Curve 8330 people have been trying to port it to non-Tmobile phones. As far as I know, none have been successful. It relies on heavy modifications to the telephony stack.

jonshipman said:
It is a software restriction, but ever since the BB Curve 8330 people have been trying to port it to non-Tmobile phones. As far as I know, none have been successful. It relies on heavy modifications to the telephony stack.
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if the stars align and a USA T-mobile Z3 ROM can be flashed onto a regular Z3 without problems, maybe
(Nexus 5 has the same modem firmware between USA and Int'l model... so if all Z3 models share the same modem firmware... probably not going to happen)

paperWastage said:
if the stars align and a USA T-mobile Z3 ROM can be flashed onto a regular Z3 without problems, maybe
(Nexus 5 has the same modem firmware between USA and Int'l model... so if all Z3 models share the same modem firmware... probably not going to happen)
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Probably not going to happen, THOUGH, T-mobile's implementation is being adopted into the standard... sooooo maybe¿ That's how WIFI calling is coming to the iPhone in 2015 on ATT. And I think Verizon is in on the mix. E.g. if Android L or M supports this wifi calling it will eventually be carried over the the Z line. But that's a but if/maybe/assumptions being made.
If WIFI calling is vital - then buy the carrier version. But in my experience, if you have internet fast enough for VOiP, you're likely in a T-Mobile coverage area anyway. If you're underground, you have Hangouts which Google just rolled voice into for Free.

paulcbetts said:
I'm using an international Z3 on T-Mobile (the Dual-SIM version) - works as expected, though no WiFi Calling.
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So to verify, you're using the D6633? Any benefit to it being dual sim? Is it missing any bands for functionality with TMo? Also, where did you get it from?
Don't mean to bug you with all the questions, just want to make sure I'm getting the best version of the Z3 possible (don't like the info that the carrier branded version is missing lots of bands).

Raeglatem said:
So to verify, you're using the D6633? Any benefit to it being dual sim? Is it missing any bands for functionality with TMo? Also, where did you get it from?
Don't mean to bug you with all the questions, just want to make sure I'm getting the best version of the Z3 possible (don't like the info that the carrier branded version is missing lots of bands).
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There is a huge advantage of going with the T-Mobile version when it comes to radio. AWS HSPA+ and Band 12 (700 Mhz A Block) LTE.
AWS HSPA+ support is necessary for areas without 4G LTE so you're not stuck at 2G speeds.
Band 12 LTE support is going to be critical in the coming years, as its going to be T-Mobile's savior when it comes to covering large areas and getting inside of hard-to-reach locations such as office buildings.

mattlgroff said:
There is a huge advantage of going with the T-Mobile version when it comes to radio. AWS HSPA+ and Band 12 (700 Mhz A Block) LTE.
AWS HSPA+ support is necessary for areas without 4G LTE so you're not stuck at 2G speeds.
Band 12 LTE support is going to be critical in the coming years, as its going to be T-Mobile's savior when it comes to covering large areas and getting inside of hard-to-reach locations such as office buildings.
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Yeah I was just reading about Band 12 and didn't realize that all the other models don't support. that sweet 700Mhz spectrum should cover huge areas and penetrate buildings well. Really excited for the possibilities with that one.
Didn't realize the lack of AWS HSPA+ support as well.
Looks like I will stick to the Tmobile variant then and just keep my fingers crossed on colors lol.

mattlgroff said:
There is a huge advantage of going with the T-Mobile version when it comes to radio. AWS HSPA+ and Band 12 (700 Mhz A Block) LTE.
AWS HSPA+ support is necessary for areas without 4G LTE so you're not stuck at 2G speeds.
Band 12 LTE support is going to be critical in the coming years, as its going to be T-Mobile's savior when it comes to covering large areas and getting inside of hard-to-reach locations such as office buildings.
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The D6603 supports AWS (1700) HSPA
The biggest things you lose with the international (D6603) on T-mobile is:
- WiFi calling
- Band 12 LTE
- 16GB vs 32GB System memory
- possibly VoLTE (not 100% sure)

Tech Spec differences aside, do we have word yet on if the T-Mo version will have the plastic body ala the Z1s? The press images look like all the ports and covers stay the same between the D6603 and the D6616, and the White Paper doesn't seem to indicate a difference, but I feel like one can never tell with T-Mo these days ...

Raeglatem said:
Yeah I was just reading about Band 12 and didn't realize that all the other models don't support. that sweet 700Mhz spectrum should cover huge areas and penetrate buildings well. Really excited for the possibilities with that one.
Didn't realize the lack of AWS HSPA+ support as well.
Looks like I will stick to the Tmobile variant then and just keep my fingers crossed on colors lol.
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So far, only black... Maybe later more colors?
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The D6603 supports AWS (1700) HSPA
The biggest things you lose with the international (D6603) on T-mobile is:
- WiFi calling
- Band 12 LTE
- 16GB vs 32GB System memory
- possibly VoLTE (not 100% sure)
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True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.

GoyoNeuff said:
True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
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Yeah, the fact that it would be Tmobile branded is what has me worried with updates. Finger crossed on an official one direct from Sony.

GoyoNeuff said:
So far, only black... Maybe later more colors?
True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
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Isnt the Band 12 (700mhz) on tmobile the same as band 17 on at&t. if so then D6603 does have support for it.
Edit: Apparently they are not the same. the Band Class 17 standard allows LTE operations in only the Lower 700 MHz B and C blocks using a specific signaling protocol that would filter out all other frequencies. Although Band Class 17 operates on two of the three blocks common to Band Class 12, Band Class 17 devices use "more narrow filters," which have the effect of permitting a smaller range of frequencies to "pass through" the filter. In addition, Band Class 12 and Band Class 17 signaling protocols are not compatible

GoyoNeuff said:
So far, only black... Maybe later more colors?
True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
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I think they'll sell the D6603 as an unlocked version in the US, it has all the bands for both T-Mobile (except Band 12) and AT&T.
For me, WiFi calling will be a nice to have, I've had it before and it's certainly gotten me out of a few pinches. The partnership with GoGo to allow free in-flight text messages through the feature also adds value to me. Not a deal maker or breaker, but nice to have.
Personally, I think minor Android releases are getting less and less important. I mean, can you point out off the top of your head one thing 4.4.4 brings you that 4.4.2 is missing? Of course Android L will be a huge step forward, especially with the introduction of ART, but it can be said that maybe some of us will hold off on jumping right into the release due to things like incompatibility with apps such as xposed as well. Just my take on it.

se1000 said:
I think they'll sell the D6603 as an unlocked version in the US, it has all the bands for both T-Mobile (except Band 12) and AT&T.
For me, WiFi calling will be a nice to have, I've had it before and it's certainly gotten me out of a few pinches. The partnership with GoGo to allow free in-flight text messages through the feature also adds value to me. Not a deal maker or breaker, but nice to have.
Personally, I think minor Android releases are getting less and less important. I mean, can you point out off the top of your head one thing 4.4.4 brings you that 4.4.2 is missing? Of course Android L will be a huge step forward, especially with the introduction of ART, but it can be said that maybe some of us will hold off on jumping right into the release due to things like incompatibility with apps such as xposed as well. Just my take on it.
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Good points...
In fact, one reason I kind of like the Z3 is that Sony does not modify as much the interface as others. Not completely stock like my wife's Nexus 5, but close enough. We will see... I am anxiously waiting for this week event !

samsung note 3 volte

is there any way to get volte in samsung note 3 sm-9005 by flashing official roms if yes then pls friend post the tutorial it will be very kind of you

I want volte tooo
surajyadav98 said:
is there any way to get volte in samsung note 3 sm-9005 by flashing official roms if yes then pls friend post the tutorial it will be very kind of you
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even i want it bro. have u got any way for it

prashantxpe said:
even i want it bro. have u got any way for it
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Learn to search its the rules .
https://forum.xda-developers.com/search/forum/2494?query=volte

***voLTE, WiFi calling, Tmobile***
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(linked from XDA by David Ruddock)
T-Mobile Unofficially Speaks To Us About Band 12 LTE / VoLTE And Unlocked Smartphones,
And Yep It's Still Confusing
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Yesterday, we published an article asking an open question: what is up with T-Mobile band 12 support being removed from some unlocked smartphones?
Today, T-Mobile contacted us to speak about said article. Unfortunately, T-Mobile was unwilling to provide any official on-record responses to our questions. But after a short discussion, I can provide you some information I have learned on background (journalist speak for "cannot be directly quoted or attributed to anyone"). First:
On T-Mobile, any device on its network with band 12 LTE data support must also support T-Mobile Voice over LTE services and E911.
The E911 part isn't particularly important in terms of the certification requirement - all phones sold in America are technically E911 compliant, because by law they have to be. The problem is that E911 compliance is inextricably linked to T-Mobile's VoLTE requirement for band 12. Without VoLTE support, a device on band 12 service would be unable to make phone calls of any kind if no other T-Mobile band was available (it will not know to fall back to AT&T roaming - the call will just flat-out fail), and that would include making 911 calls, meaning the device would for legal purposes likely be out of E911 compliance, and T-Mobile could get in trouble with the FCC. Not to mention, you could have somebody trying and failing to dial 911 in an emergency, which would of course be terrible. And yes, by removing band 12 support, you can make E911 work, because the phone then has no signal at all and knows to try to roam onto another compatible network (AT&T usually) to complete the call. This is both a safety and liability issue, and it is easy to understand where T-Mobile would be coming from in terms of concern about this - they do have something of a history with E911 debacles. Clearly this is a very real safety concern, and I do sympathize with T-Mobile in the sense that they obviously can't just sit here and do nothing about it. But there are practical concerns for OEMs here - adding T-Mobile VoLTE isn't just as easy as flipping a switch.
In order to obtain VoLTE compliance for band 12, phones must go through T-Mobile's rigorous network certification process (and yes, unlocked phones can go through this certification).
Speaking off the record to one major smartphone vendor, we have learned that there are very real costs and complexities associated with obtaining that certification, and it must be done on a device-by-device basis. Many phone OEMs, then, may simply choose to remove band 12 support from their unlocked smartphones sold in America. This could mean phones like the Alcatel OneTouch Idol 3 (4.7 and 5.5), the Huawei Ascend P8 Lite, the Huawei SnapTo, OnePlus 2, Moto X Style (aka Moto X 2015 PE), Moto X Play, HTC One M9 Unlocked and Developer Edition, Saygus V2, and various imported phones (ie, some global unlocked Sony or Samsung devices) or unlocked branded AT&T phone models may lose band 12 support in future software updates. The fact is, we don't know what will happen, or to which phones, or when. Some manufacturers may choose to get T-Mobile VoLTE certification (Motorola has hinted as much with the new Moto X 2015 PE), but many may also simply choose to quietly disable band 12 for T-Mobile in software updates. Motorola, as we know, has already done this with the Moto E.
It is not clear what action, if any, T-Mobile will take if a smartphone vendor refuses to remove band 12 data support from their device and also refuses to undergo the T-Mobile VoLTE certification process. (Ie, they want to keep B12 data but not bother with B12 VoLTE certification.)
This is basically the kicker. What will T-Mobile do if a vendor says "no way" to dropping band 12 data, but also doesn't want to go through the VoLTE certification process? We don't know. They might not do anything. But they might do something. Again, this is why speaking to T-Mobile about this situation was so frustrating. Not only we were unable to directly quote or attribute any of the information we were provided, but there was also no clarity as to what would happen in the event the band 12 situation comes to a head with an OEM that refuses to "play ball."
It seems unlikely that any OEM would refuse T-Mobile's request here, though, as most of them are also partnered with the company on T-Mobile-branded devices.
We have asked T-Mobile again for an on-record statement about this entire situation, because it would help clarify it immensely. As things stand now, T-Mobile is attempting to put the ball in the court of manufacturers. Which, to be fair, manufacturers do have a role to play here - they have to make the decision to drop band 12 or go through the T-Mobile certs for these unlocked band 12 devices. Or, potentially, just ignore T-Mobile's band 12 requirements entirely and see what happens. Unfortunately, as you might guess, most smartphone OEMs have zero desire to discuss upcoming software updates in detail, or to ever put their product in a situation where it is being highlighted for losing a feature. That makes our job here a difficult one.
We will update you on any more information we receive about this situation, including any response from T-Mobile or potentially-affected device manufacturers we have reached out to.
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surajyadav98 said:
is there any way to get volte in samsung note 3 sm-9005 by flashing official roms if yes then pls friend post the tutorial it will be very kind of you
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Offical rom??? if your mean stock rom, yes it possible to have VoLTE, provided your network support!

Is it likely the V20 will get decent Dev support/activity/ROMs?

So I've been looking through the V10 Android Development threads and wondering what it's been like on XDA with the V10 in terms of Dev support/ROMs/ etc. I've asked over there for feedback. Doesn't look like there's been much interest in the V10 phone from Devs? Is there a reason why? Locked bootloader? No "sources" released? Is there a CM ROM available anywhere?
Reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting a V20 which looks like a great phone and I've always had Nexus phones in the past. Currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I still love. The V20 looks to me almost like a larger more modern and advanced Nexus 5 (both made by LG). The G5 I saw in a phone shop and it really didn't appeal to me (build quality seemed poor). What's the likelihood the V20 will get decent Dev support? Is there anything that will make it more likely?

What specifically was wrong with the G5 build? My wife has the phone and we both think its pretty nice. At least as good as the Galaxy it replaced and probably a bit nicer.
I'm also interested in your original question. How much support will this phone get and will the boat loader enforce secure boot?
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.

lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.
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Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
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lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one. Until you see and know what having a unified hardware platform (like Nexus) does to accelerate development you don't get how screwed over you are by unique snowflake SKUs.
I too was excited for the v20, but LG fumbled the ball. in 3 months when the price comes down from the early-adopter surcharge (hopefully) I'll think about getting one. Depending on what I see.

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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one.
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Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.

The unlocked version also doesn't have AT&T's bands 29 & 30 and T-Mobile's Band 66. Personally, I plan to get the AT&T V20. I don't mind the (expected) lack of updates so much as long the current version doesn't have glaring bugs. For AT&T you also need a branded device for VoLTE.
I currently have the Nexus 5 and Google left it with major bugs for a few months (one of them was broken car Bluetooth). So my experience with Google wasn't that great. The Pixel devices look like bad iPhone and Galaxy copies.

Skripka said:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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The development is what I find cool. It is why I keep ending up being a tester for ROM teams (did it on Note 2, and still on Nexus 6)....but Android generally is getting really f'ing annoying on some of this crap. SafetyNet for example isn't just a framework for AndroidPay and stopping you from using your phone from paying for a burger due to Xposed, corporate email servers are now using it....so if you modify your firmware in any unauthorised way your employer may well not let your phone talk to your work email servers anymore (one of mi amigos on Team Twisted has this problem-nothing we can do). Google seems to be wanting to go iron-fisted in security and sacrificing FOSS development for "security".
There was a post on r/Android tonight outlining some of the more obscure technical problems, and outright annoyances for developers as well in the current Android landscape generally: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/56qr4z/why_i_am_giving_up_on_android/
FWIW....he mentions specifically kernel 3.18; that kernel is not only used by the upcoming Pixel but according to the posted v20 system dump, a few subforums down, is the kernel v20 is going to ship with as well. When that OP is speaking about shipping a brand new device in Q4 2016 with a 2-year-old+ kernel ceasing upstream patching in 2-3 months as being insanity.....he's not just talking Pixel, he's also talking v20.
I wouldn't borderline rant on it unless the device had a ton of potential...which v20 especially does, and seeing LG squander it with shortsighted planned obsolescence is frustrating.

Personally I am okay with not too many roms. All I need is root for Viper and a few other apps.

I really think that I'll get this phone to replace my G4. I had to come to terms that the bootloader will never be unlocked on all models except T-Mobile and certain international models. I've also accepted that there will be absolutely zero dev support.
Don't fault me for being pessimistic. Being optimistic with the possibility of Dev support and observing how the G4, G5 and V10 turned out is plain foolish.

Skripka said:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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EMSpilot said:
Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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Their listing for the VS995 is incorrect/incomplete compared to what the LG Electronics sent to the FCC and has on file. Read and compare, some of their entries are wrong (VS995 does indeed have Band 25), some like Band 66 are left out or missing (VS995 has that too). WCDMA is either seemingly absent although maybe they call that "UTMS". CDMA support is also flawed (should be 850/1900 for VS995 not 800/1900). I don't have easy to call up numbers for US996 ATM, but one way or another-their band support table is incorrect.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102983
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102984
The phones are not radio band identical.

Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minutes of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
Cheers

EMSpilot said:
Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minuets of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
Cheers
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Please report back once you have it working. I'm very interested in doing this too. I'd love to not get stuck with the bloat.
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There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..

thanks for your expert opinion. nobody will take it seriously, but thanks!
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There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..
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Actually, devs that tried supporting Note 7 are now interested in developing for the V20 from the online polls since the note 7 has been officially canceled

Mi note 2 with Verizon

Yeah, I know it's been asked before but I don't feel confident enough to pull the trigger on it to test. I am on Verizon, I have a SIM card I could use in it that's already activated ( currently in a iPhone 6 Plus ) I see it does support CDMA and LTE bands, So does it really work fully with no drawbacks?
Thanks

Verizon/Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION
2G: cdmaOne (IS-95)
3G: CDMA2000 (IMT‑MC), 1xEV-DO
4G: Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (AWS), Band 13 (700MHz)
Verizon also offers LTE on
If you presently have any friends or family living/near where you would use the phone day-to-day with an Android phone on Verizon, I think this works best if you've rooted it, download the LTE Discovery app from the Play Store and use it to determine which 4G bands you are encountering primarily "in the wild" during your day. According to Wikipedia, Verizon only offers LTE on Bands 2, 4, and 13 in the US. So in theory the Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION supports all of VZW's bands.

juchmis said:
Verizon/Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION
2G: cdmaOne (IS-95)
3G: CDMA2000 (IMT‑MC), 1xEV-DO
4G: Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (AWS), Band 13 (700MHz)
Verizon also offers LTE on
If you presently have any friends or family living/near where you would use the phone day-to-day with an Android phone on Verizon, I think this works best if you've rooted it, download the LTE Discovery app from the Play Store and use it to determine which 4G bands you are encountering primarily "in the wild" during your day. According to Wikipedia, Verizon only offers LTE on Bands 2, 4, and 13 in the US. So in theory the Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION supports all of VZW's bands.
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Currently I have a iPhone 6 plus and established I use band 4 at my home and work, Global version supports all LTE bands I read. So yeah it should work right? Just pop my current sim in. I talked to another guy on this forum who posted a screen shot of it working on a pre paid Verizon sim and he said it's worked fine. There's just so little info on this phone working on Verizon and it make me nervous.

AtsuiPanda said:
Currently I have a iPhone 6 plus and established I use band 4 at my home and work, Global version supports all LTE bands I read. So yeah it should work right? Just pop my current sim in. I talked to another guy on this forum who posted a screen shot of it working on a pre paid Verizon sim and he said it's worked fine. There's just so little info on this phone working on Verizon and it make me nervous.
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There are no reasons why it would not work. It supports all 4G LTE bands which Verizon uses, which means it should get the fastest 4G signal anywhere that Verizon's spectrum reaches. That represents the best case, as in phones sold by Verizon for use on their network can only be at most on par with it for 4G support.
It also appears to support all 3G protocols and voice protocols which Verizon uses.
Hard to say whether it will work immediately upon having your present SIM inserted. You may be required to make some kind of contact with Verizon to establish a change of handset, which may be as simple as having the phone's unique IMEI read to them over the phone (or even dialed in after phoning an automated system).

There's no need for any contact with Verizon. Just put the active SIM in and it works fine. I have my Mi Note 2 Global working just fine on Verizon including VoLTE. This required no contact with Verizon nor any inputs in the device info pages on my Verizon account online. In fact I would probably *not* provide an IMEI to Verizon as they will almost surely not allow activation with the Mi's IMEI...though I don't think they'd block it or anything.
I'm the "guy" the OP is referring to above...I've confirmed that all LTE bands including 2, 4, and 13...and CDMA 1X calls and EvDO data all work fine on this phone...not sure if it's CDMA BC0 or 1 in my area (I think it's 0) but both should work. VoLTE is also confirmed working perfectly right out of the box.
To the OP - what additional information are you looking for to determine whether or not this phone is right for you? I'm happy to help but I'm not understanding what else you might need to know as pretty much everything has been revealed vis-a-vis Verizon and the Mi Note 2 Global and it definitely works fine...if you're nervous about it I probably would suggest a different handset unless you really need the dual SIM functionality with Verizon...in which case it's either this phone or the ZTE Axon 7 that you'll be limited to...the Axon 7 is a better phone all in all IMO but is more finicky software-wise in my experience and takes a little more user tweaking to get Verizon to work as well as it should (some people have really struggled with the Axon 7 on Verizon but I had smooth sailing except that I had to use a GSM SIM for initial setup and also after OTAs to sort of "clear" the radio out). The Xiaomi Mi Note 2, on the other hand, has much better connectivity and has given me zero problems on Verizon...I'm actually really impressed with it in this respect.
But at the same time I find the screen on the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 to be grossly inferior to that of the ZTE...the speakers too. And MIUI is kind of meh but I know some people love it...but I guess that's kinda off topic!

flyer_andy said:
There's no need for any contact with Verizon. Just put the active SIM in and it works fine. I have my Mi Note 2 Global working just fine on Verizon including VoLTE. This required no contact with Verizon nor any inputs in the device info pages on my Verizon account online. In fact I would probably *not* provide an IMEI to Verizon as they will almost surely not allow activation with the Mi's IMEI...though I don't think they'd block it or anything.
I'm the "guy" the OP is referring to above...I've confirmed that all LTE bands including 2, 4, and 13...and CDMA 1X calls and EvDO data all work fine on this phone...not sure if it's CDMA BC0 or 1 in my area (I think it's 0) but both should work. VoLTE is also confirmed working perfectly right out of the box.
To the OP - what additional information are you looking for to determine whether or not this phone is right for you? I'm happy to help but I'm not understanding what else you might need to know as pretty much everything has been revealed vis-a-vis Verizon and the Mi Note 2 Global and it definitely works fine...if you're nervous about it I probably would suggest a different handset unless you really need the dual SIM functionality with Verizon...in which case it's either this phone or the ZTE Axon 7 that you'll be limited to...the Axon 7 is a better phone all in all IMO but is more finicky software-wise in my experience and takes a little more user tweaking to get Verizon to work as well as it should (some people have really struggled with the Axon 7 on Verizon but I had smooth sailing except that I had to use a GSM SIM for initial setup and also after OTAs to sort of "clear" the radio out). The Xiaomi Mi Note 2, on the other hand, has much better connectivity and has given me zero problems on Verizon...I'm actually really impressed with it in this respect.
But at the same time I find the screen on the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 to be grossly inferior to that of the ZTE...the speakers too. And MIUI is kind of meh but I know some people love it...but I guess that's kinda off topic!
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Lol you have been most helpful, I made this thread before I contacted you is all I will be ordering the note 2 soon. But if I have any questions after and if I do run into problems I'd PM ya. Thanks again, man.

flyer_andy said:
There's no need for any contact with Verizon. Just put the active SIM in and it works fine. I have my Mi Note 2 Global working just fine on Verizon including VoLTE. This required no contact with Verizon nor any inputs in the device info pages on my Verizon account online. In fact I would probably *not* provide an IMEI to Verizon as they will almost surely not allow activation with the Mi's IMEI...though I don't think they'd block it or anything.
I'm the "guy" the OP is referring to above...I've confirmed that all LTE bands including 2, 4, and 13...and CDMA 1X calls and EvDO data all work fine on this phone...not sure if it's CDMA BC0 or 1 in my area (I think it's 0) but both should work. VoLTE is also confirmed working perfectly right out of the box.
To the OP - what additional information are you looking for to determine whether or not this phone is right for you? I'm happy to help but I'm not understanding what else you might need to know as pretty much everything has been revealed vis-a-vis Verizon and the Mi Note 2 Global and it definitely works fine...if you're nervous about it I probably would suggest a different handset unless you really need the dual SIM functionality with Verizon...in which case it's either this phone or the ZTE Axon 7 that you'll be limited to...the Axon 7 is a better phone all in all IMO but is more finicky software-wise in my experience and takes a little more user tweaking to get Verizon to work as well as it should (some people have really struggled with the Axon 7 on Verizon but I had smooth sailing except that I had to use a GSM SIM for initial setup and also after OTAs to sort of "clear" the radio out). The Xiaomi Mi Note 2, on the other hand, has much better connectivity and has given me zero problems on Verizon...I'm actually really impressed with it in this respect.
But at the same time I find the screen on the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 to be grossly inferior to that of the ZTE...the speakers too. And MIUI is kind of meh but I know some people love it...but I guess that's kinda off topic!
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I do wanna ask you something though, What's the point of using two SIMs? also whats vis a vis?

AtsuiPanda said:
I do wanna ask you something though, What's the point of using two SIMs? also whats vis a vis?
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In my case it's to improve data coverage but for most people it's because they travel internationally and need a second operator in the other country or they do it so they can have a work-related phone number and personal number in the same device.
"Vis-a-vis" just means "in relation to" for all practical purposes.