This is a thread to discuss any findings, in regards to WiFi calling for the Moto X Style/2015/Pure.
Since there is going to be one unlocked version for all carriers, I'm guessing it's going to be included a carrier's software delivery service in the phone that when you log into your network, it download all the bloatwares for that specific carriers to your phone, or not.
I guess they won't have it because previous Moto X didn't have it either.
The Nexus 6 recently got updated to Android 5.1.1 which addressed the Wi-Fi Calling feature add-on baked in. In fact, from what I've read, T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling is open source and Google directly worked with it to incorporate it natively in Android M, basically have the feature baked in. Having the previous in mind, I would think the Moto X Style will eventually have this feature, especially once it is updated to Android M, which should be soon after Android M is officially released by Google. Any other thoughts?
dannycarrasco8708 said:
...I would think the Moto X Style will eventually have this feature, especially once it is updated to Android M, which should be soon after Android M is officially released by Google. Any other thoughts?
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I keep forgetting that Android M feature and the fact T-Mobile is one of few carriers ready to support it .
That settles it for sure.
I'm waiting for September, to buy a Moto X Pure/Style.
The current Nexus 6 T-Mobile WiFi calling, requires the T-Mobile ROM for that device AFAIK. With the Moto Pure, we'll be able to have the true Moto Unlocked ROM and WiFi calling via Android M. Zero need for any T-Mobile controlled ROM.
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I keep forgetting that Android M feature and the fact T-Mobile is one of few carriers ready to support it .
That settles it for sure.
I'm waiting for September, to buy a Moto X Pure/Style.
The current Nexus 6 T-Mobile WiFi calling, requires the T-Mobile ROM for that device AFAIK. With the Moto Pure, we'll be able to have the true Moto Unlocked ROM and WiFi calling via Android M. Zero need for any T-Mobile controlled ROM.
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Unfortunately that's just theoretical. AFAIK there has been nothing communicated by anybody that this would actually happen.
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Unfortunately that's just theoretical. AFAIK there has been nothing communicated by anybody that this would actually happen.
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It's 100% fact and already being used.
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It's 100% fact and already being used.
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At a minimum it needs radio and firmware support. I haven't seen moto promise any support for wifi calling in any of their devices for M at this point. I believe its possible but mostly wishful thinking.
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At a minimum it needs radio and firmware support. I haven't seen moto promise any support for wifi calling in any of their devices for M at this point. I believe its possible but mostly wishful thinking.
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It's not as if they said the device won't have support. Do you even have record of them ever being asked? I feel it likely will. But we will see in very short time.
If not, I still prefer the Moto X Pure. But I see nothing to support pessimism on it at this point.
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It's not as if they said the device won't have support. Do you even have record of them ever being asked? I feel it likely will. But we will see in very short time.
If not, I still prefer the Moto X Pure. But I see nothing to support pessimism on it at this point.
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My point was you had nothing to confirm that it was going to happen. I never said I had confirmation that it wasn't.
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Never got it why people stick to tmobile if they have no good coverage...
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It's a cult thing. I drink the cool aide.
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Never got it why people stick to tmobile if they have no good coverage...
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Obviously nobody is going to pay a carrier for phone service if they cannot make calls. So, we who have T-Mobile must be getting coverage for our usual needs.
WiFi calling for me, would be a plus for the few times a year I am at a place where I cannot get phone coverage. And in some of those cases, AT&T devices can't get a signal either.
I should also mention, there is no "radio" support required. I've used T-Mobile WiFi calling on devices, where I flashed non-T-Mobile radios and with the T-Mobile ROM the WiFi calling still worked. So the WiFi calling is all in the ROM and that is what Google has in Android M. I've already cited above, that people using Android M previews are already using this with no issues. So, it will work with the Moto X Pure and there's zero to indicate otherwise.
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My point was you had nothing to confirm that it was going to happen. I never said I had confirmation that it wasn't.
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It's a cult thing. I drink the cool aide.
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I would switch to T-mobile is a flash if I didn't have to drive a mile from my house to make a phone call.
If you have WFi and a phone that has WiFi Calling anabled, then you don't have to drive a mile.
Fact is that you should find a carrier that suits your needs. For me, I'm in a huge metro area, but my parents live a little further out from a major city. BOOM! WiFi Calling solves the issue.
Cheaper plans, great feature, no problems.
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I would switch to T-mobile is a flash if I didn't have to drive a mile from my house to make a phone call.
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Looks like WiFi Calling will not be supported - https://twitter.com/askdes/status/629308037405093888
Not sure what will happen once Android M is released though
Hmm. Guess you have to go with a carrier branded T-Mobile phone to get all of the cool features (wifi calling, hd voice, advanced text messaging, etc).
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Hmm. Guess you have to go with a carrier branded T-Mobile phone to get all of the cool features (wifi calling, hd voice, advanced text messaging, etc).
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Wonder if T-Mobile will even carrier it ... I'm fairly new to T-Mo (with them less than a year) but I don't recall them carrying either of the other X devices.
Motorola was pretty proud of the fact that they were bypassing the carriers entirely for their new devices. Problem is, it looks like their phones will be neutered compared to the carrier branded ones (at least for some T-Mobile feature). Guess I'll be waiting for the next Nexus to see what happens there.
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Looks like WiFi Calling will not be supported - https://twitter.com/askdes/status/629308037405093888
Not sure what will happen once Android M is released though
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This was a given, since it's not running a T-Mobile ROM. But it already works in Android M preview ROMs. So we know for certain it will work without a T-Mobile ROM running M.
Is there a relationship between volte and band 12? I see them always mentioned together. Can you not do volte on bands 2 or 4?
I plan on testing the M preview radios out once I unlock it. I can also check into the band support from QXDM, etc. and see what would be necessary to get it going. Either way, I can easily see wifi calling working with it.
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In case you're wanting the phone version, it should appear in the USA market soon. An AT&T LTE version has just appeared on the FCC web site. https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=424157&fcc_id=A3LSGHI467
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In case you're wanting the phone version, it should appear in the USA market soon. An AT&T LTE version has just appeared on the FCC web site. https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=424157&fcc_id=A3LSGHI467
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Been wondering though, does this include a phone? Or is it just the N5110 with mobile data?
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Been wondering though, does this include a phone? Or is it just the N5110 with mobile data?
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AT&T typically does not support phone functions on tablets, so I'd guess no. Although the line between tablets and phones is a bit blurred, these days.
I'm not quite ready to have a mobile plan for my tablet (and really don't need it 99% of the time). And I already have the WiFi only version. But an AT&T release might mean some better sales for the N8, and better dev activity.
If this can be flashed with a EURO ROM for phone capabilities I will be first in line. :good:
Great news....
I guess this might bring down the price a bit.
If I can get either N5100 N5110 version for under $450 and flash Euro ROMS to make calls, then put me on the line as well.
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If this can be flashed with a EURO ROM for phone capabilities I will be first in line. :good:
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Its not only a ROM issue. AT&T's network does not support phone services for tablets.
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Its not only a ROM issue. AT&T's network does not support phone services for tablets.
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The 7.0 Tab worked fine. Pretty sure the 10.1 does as well. No reason an 8.0 wouldn't. A phone is a phone, either it has voice capabilities or it doesn't regardless of the size. The only reason tablets don't work on ATT otherwise is the strip them of the feature from either hardware or software. Might have to ditch the IMEI if I remember correctly from my 7.0
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In case you're wanting the phone version, it should appear in the USA market soon. An AT&T LTE version has just appeared on the FCC web site. https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=424157&fcc_id=A3LSGHI467
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http://www.expansys.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-4g-wi-fi-16gb-white-250079/
499 pounds.
It's a shame it's not yet 32GB though.
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The 7.0 Tab worked fine. Pretty sure the 10.1 does as well. No reason an 8.0 wouldn't. A phone is a phone, either it has voice capabilities or it doesn't regardless of the size. The only reason tablets don't work on ATT otherwise is the strip them of the feature from either hardware or software. Might have to ditch the IMEI if I remember correctly from my 7.0
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I believe the IMEI is the issue. The network recognizes the device as a tablet using the IMEI, and then won't support phone services on the device.
That's the reason right there.
I know on the nexus 7 3g version It's thought to be a hardware limitation in the radio. Also they were never able to produce a modem capable of voice. Flashing to closest compatible radio caused a baseband hard brick with generic IMEI. Obviously the N7 was also lacking ear speaker etc, however they were able to get SMS/MMS completely working with SMS using AT&T's network. I personally used it as my smartphone replacement using my SIM for data & network texting while using google voice/groove IP for my phone services. Had to enable voice capable in bools.xml to true IOT unlock the native dialer & forward calls from the AT&T phone number to my google voice.
With that being said, I think redpoint is 100% correct in saying that if it does not work hardware limitations aside, it will be because AT&T is blocking the IMEI on their network. The N7 wasn't blocked because it was an unknown device on the network but if AT&T releases a 3g capable Note you can be sure it will be logged into their system and easy to track, just like trying to use an AT&T smartphone on the mediaNET system (which I was also using for a while on the N7 with no problems for the same reason I stated above)
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I believe the IMEI is the issue. The network recognizes the device as a tablet using the IMEI, and then won't support phone services on the device.
That's the reason right there.
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Yep, and backing up then deleting the IMEI solves that issue as you then have a generic IMEI that is not seen as a tablet they recognize and allows you to make calls. Its been done by many here at XDA including myself.
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Yep, and backing up then deleting the IMEI solves that issue as you then have a generic IMEI that is not seen as a tablet they recognize and allows you to make calls. Its been done by many here at XDA including myself.
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Are you talking about changing the imei of the device to a different one?
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Its not only a ROM issue. AT&T's network does not support phone services for tablets.
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I have a 10.1 right now that i'm swapping SIM cards with with my phone. I use the 10.1 as a replacement for my phone when I go to school and I have no issues making calls out of it. The phone capabilities work fine on my 10.1, so I don't think it'll be an issue. I'm on AT&T
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I have a 10.1 right now that i'm swapping SIM cards with with my phone. I use the 10.1 as a replacement for my phone when I go to school and I have no issues making calls out of it. The phone capabilities work fine on my 10.1, so I don't think it'll be an issue. I'm on AT&T
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Also ya gotta take into account the fact att might not have the 10.1 on their regrestry. Thats how i was able to use my N7. If ATT registers the 8.0 cuz theyre going to be carrying it they can then block it. The international one may still be safe though if thats the case.
Edit: heres a good link where they explain and compare how Att detects devices on their network and how they can block it or change plans accordingly http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1446373
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who needs carrier service to make calls?
Just download GrooveIP from the market, and it uses your Google Talk Phone number to make calls on your wifi/3g/4g network...
Call quality is fanatastic, at least for me here in chicagoland...You can even make and recieve using your BT headset!
I'd like a mobile version instead of the WiFi version I just picked up this week. Looks like it may go back during their return period.
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Are you talking about changing the imei of the device to a different one?
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No, Well not directly since that is probably illegal but if you delete your imei the device will assign a generic one automatically that carriers dont seem to detect as a tablet or atleast a specific tablet. Infact I wonder if they even bother blocking Euro devices like the 5100 since they do not sell it.
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Also ya gotta take into account the fact att might not have the 10.1 on their regrestry. Thats how i was able to use my N7. If ATT registers the 8.0 cuz theyre going to be carrying it they can then block it.
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Yup, if its AT&T branded, they will obviously have the IMEI, and they will block it from phone use.
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Yup, if its AT&T branded, they will obviously have the IMEI, and they will block it from phone use.
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Or you can just do what I mentioned in my last post and they won't be able to block you by IMEI since it will no longer be recognized as one of the devices.
IF the hardware and software on the tablet permits making calls.
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Or you can just do what I mentioned in my last post and they won't be able to block you by IMEI since it will no longer be recognized as one of the devices.
IF the hardware and software on the tablet permits making calls.
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im pretty sure spoofing the IMEI is a felony though if caught. Thats why each device has a specific IMEI.
Is anyone looking to work on this for the Nexus 6p?
I have one preordered from the play store and as such won't have the "feature" enabled by default (as you have to purchase the device directly from EE so they can load their own stuff on it)
However, seems the guys in this thread came pretty close, some got it working http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/ee-wifi-calling-t3082364
At first it seemed like a few simple XML changes were all that was needed, i can't in fact make out from the 12 page thread if thats correct or not, some claim it worked with these changes, some said flashing EE's own firmwares etc was needed.
Please post any knowledge on this here, anyone who purchases from EE and is willing to share information/dump firmware would be greatly appreciated i'm sure :highfive:
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Is anyone looking to work on this for the Nexus 6p?
I have one preordered from the play store and as such won't have the "feature" enabled by default (as you have to purchase the device directly from EE so they can load their own stuff on it)
However, seems the guys in this thread came pretty close, some got it working http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/ee-wifi-calling-t3082364
At first it seemed like a few simple XML changes were all that was needed, i can't in fact make out from the 12 page thread if thats correct or not, some claim it worked with these changes, some said flashing EE's own firmwares etc was needed.
Please post any knowledge on this here, anyone who purchases from EE and is willing to share information/dump firmware would be greatly appreciated i'm sure :highfive:
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I'll be interested in this as well, I've ordered mine from CPW on EE. I'm sure there'll be no problem enabling it we'll just need to extract the required elements from the EE ROM. I'm sure someone will produce a flashable zip.
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I'll be interested in this as well, I've ordered mine from CPW on EE. I'm sure there'll be no problem enabling it we'll just need to extract the required elements from the EE ROM. I'm sure someone will produce a flashable zip.
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Well this is my hope as well, but if you see that thread it's been a whole year and nobody did it!
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Well this is my hope as well, but if you see that thread it's been a whole year and nobody did it!
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I'm sure someone will. This is a nexus device, the owners tend to be more technically inclined so I don't think it'll be an issue.
The EE wifi calling is more than just a change of an xml file (which is Samsung specific) They use a VPN tunnel for the wifi calling which is not an application you can install and is embedded into the EE firmware for the S6/Edge.
Also don't forget that EE only allow wifi calling on phones brought through EE (in store and online) and I do not know if a pure stock android N6P would even be EE branded with wifi calling enabled etc.
I thought all nexus device came with stock android even carrier devices a
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The EE wifi calling is more than just a change of an xml file (which is Samsung specific) They use a VPN tunnel for the wifi calling which is not an application you can install and is embedded into the EE firmware for the S6/Edge.
Also don't forget that EE only allow wifi calling on phones brought through EE (in store and online) and I do not know if a pure stock android N6P would even be EE branded with wifi calling enabled etc.
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They only "allow" it because of the embedded firmware you mention, not so much a decision to disallow it.
My hope is that whatever code is embedded could potentially be extracted/applied to stock? I guess we need someone here with an EE nexus to help us out . My other half just received a google store notification that her 5x is being delivered today, so maybe someone with a 5x direct from EE will be around soon :fingers-crossed:
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They only "allow" it because of the embedded firmware you mention, not so much a decision to disallow it.
My hope is that whatever code is embedded could potentially be extracted/applied to stock? I guess we need someone here with an EE nexus to help us out . My other half just received a google store notification that her 5x is being delivered today, so maybe someone with a 5x direct from EE will be around soon :fingers-crossed:
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The chances are pretty much 99.9% that a Nexus brought through EE won't have any EE bloatware added whatsoever and will be pure 100% stock.
I'm hoping it can be extracted/reverse engineered also - but I wouldn't expect it for a little while at least.
The guy who has a 6p that posted a couple days ago showed a wifi calling option. He was on t mobile. I never got to where he replied if it worked.
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The chances are pretty much 99.9% that a Nexus brought through EE won't have any EE bloatware added whatsoever and will be pure 100% stock.
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I'm really hoping this is the case. I get F&F discount on EE so it makes sense to get my handset through them at serious discount. The only downside is that my previous devices have all had EE firmware, bloatware and SIM lock on them.
If the N6P comes unmolested then that would be perfect. The only thing I can see them adding is SIM lock (although I disagree with this on principle too - I should be able to put whatever SIM in my phone I want....).
I'm struggling to get any useful info on whether the Nexus will be hacked around by EE - I would sincerely hope they are prevented from doing so by Google as the entire premise of Nexus is that it's pure Android and all the benefits that brings...
Because it's a nexus and there is only 1 model number for the international variant there shouldn't be any ee bloat, just the same as the iPhone. And therefore any 6p should work with WiFi calling on ee just like the iPhone. Ee have already advertised the 6p as having WiFi calling so we should all be good to go. The ee representative I spoke to when sorting my new sim only contract assumed that this would be correct.
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Because it's a nexus and there is only 1 model number for the international variant there shouldn't be any ee bloat, just the same as the iPhone. And therefore any 6p should work with WiFi calling on ee just like the iPhone. Ee have already advertised the 6p as having WiFi calling so we should all be good to go. The ee representative I spoke to when sorting my new sim only contract assumed that this would be correct.
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If that turns out to be the case I'll be very happy, I guess I'll just have to wait until Monday to find out.
I concur. Also waiting to see if they're going to get the 64 and 128 versions in. The lack of SD card is the only fly in the ointment for me so far (I have a 64gb card in my One M8 and wouldn't want any less now).
I bought iPhone 6s Plus directly from Apple and was surprised I could make wifi calling, just Enabled wifi calling under phone settings. I was informed by EE only phones bought directly from them would come with that option.
That'll be interesting then, it suggests there's something proprietary to enable it on EE devices?
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I thought all nexus device came with stock android even carrier devices a
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Generally yes. But not always. Look to the US past Nexii to see carriers being allowed to fiddle. Verizon especially.
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That'll be interesting then, it suggests there's something proprietary to enable it on EE devices?
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For EE, in this case I believe they are making software changes so the 6P's from them will probably have a different build number. Though I need to find others who appear to have unlocked international versions come from EE (it does happen) who still have different build numbers to people who bought it from agnostic stores.
I don't know why some people are so confident EE will change nothing. They are making firmware changes on all other devices with WiFi calling, nexus willl be no different
Regardless of what people think the answer as some suggest is not to buy from EE direct, I didn't start the thread for that workaround, I don't want a device from a carrier I want it from Google. I don't want it sim locked or touched by anyone else, that's fair right?
My other half received her 5x two days ago so roll on 6p deliveries!
You should test to see if your other half's 5x works with WiFi calling on ee.
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You should test to see if your other half's 5x works with WiFi calling on ee.
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We both purchased direct from the play store so there is no wifi calling option enabled? well not that i can see. I guess devices direct from EE will take a few extra weeks to filter out
Simple poll, for those of us in the US, what carrier are you using your 6P on?
Right now I'm primarily using mine on Verizon, but also have a T-Mobile pre-paid SIM that I swap back and forth for testing.
Other - Project Fi in Southeast Michigan and loving it. Far better than Sprint (by that I mean just Sprint alone).
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I am on Sprint, and honestly its been pretty smooth sailing. Even getting the phone up and running wasn't particularly hard either. Solid LTE in my neck of the woods.
I'm on Verizon because neither of the new Nexus phones support VoLTE or HD voice on AT&T. I live in a city so any of the four majors were viable options locally. My problem is that I do a lot of traveling to rural Appalachia and so I need one of the big boys if I want to be covered wherever I go.
Also, Verizon has been embracing unlocked devices of late (Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Moto X Pure, non-VZW-purchased Nexus 6, SIM-Free iPhone 6 and 6S bought from Apple). That combined with it not restricting VoLTE and HD voice made Verizon an easy choice.
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I'm on Verizon because neither of the new Nexus phones support VoLTE or HD voice on AT&T. I live in a city so any of the four majors were viable options locally. My problem is that I do a lot of traveling to rural Appalachia and so I need one of the big boys if I want to be covered wherever I go.
Also, Verizon has been embracing unlocked devices of late (Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Moto X Pure, non-VZW-purchased Nexus 6, SIM-Free iPhone 6 and 6S bought from Apple). That combined with it not restricting VoLTE and HD voice made Verizon an easy choice.
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i wouldn't say they've been embracing them. their hand was forced with the implementation of 4G. i haven't seen VZW update their image database with the latest models of carrier unlocked phones, so IMO they're not exactly "embracing" this idea.
on Sprint .. suprisingly connection has been better than it was with previous Note 4. Not getting super speed or anything but seems fast enough for majority of data stuff. Would like to try Project Fi but it would be more expensive going that route since I use too much data
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Other - Project Fi in Southeast Michigan and loving it. Far better than Sprint (by that I mean just Sprint alone).
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I knew I forgot something...
Can a mod add Project Fi as an option?
T-Mobile... Solid signal quality in my area so I have their unlimited plan. Still annoyed with the lack of band 12 however, especially as I travel to Indy often.
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i wouldn't say they've been embracing them. their hand was forced with the implementation of 4G. i haven't seen VZW update their image database with the latest models of carrier unlocked phones, so IMO they're not exactly "embracing" this idea.
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AT&T and T-Mobile don't have images of unlocked phones either, with the odd exception here or there. And my Verizon account does show a picture of an iPhone 6S Plus for my SIM-free one that I bought from Apple (which is a different model and IMEI number set than the one Verizon sells). But, you're right, my Nexus 6P just shows up as "Huawei - H1511" with a generic device picture. A picture isn't what matters, though. What matters is that Verizon added the IMEI numbers for the 6P and 5X within a week or two of launch. That's huge for them. Considering where Verizon was even 2 years ago on the idea of unlocked phones vs. where they are now, they've taken a lot of strides. Even Sprint allows all of the same unlocked devices that Verizon does now. Sure, the FCC rules that Verizon agreed to in order to purchase those C block licenses was key in all this, but that doesn't necessarily make what I said any less true.
In the end, I think what's happening is that Verizon and Sprint are realizing that if the phone works on the network and someone wants to give them their money, they should allow the phone and take the money.
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T-Mobile... Solid signal quality in my area so I have their unlimited plan. Still annoyed with the lack of band 12 however, especially as I travel to Indy often.
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according to DL, its on the way.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/11/16/nexus-6p-t-mobile-band-12-lte/
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AT&T and T-Mobile don't have images of unlocked phones either, with the odd exception here or there. And my Verizon account does show a picture of an iPhone 6S Plus for my SIM-free one that I bought from Apple. But, you're right, my Nexus 6P just shows up as "Huawei - H1511" with a generic device picture. A picture isn't what matters, though. What matters is that Verizon added the IMEI numbers for the 6P and 5X within a week or two of launch. That's huge for them. Considering where Verizon was even 2 years ago on the idea of unlocked phones vs. where they are now, they've taken a lot of strides. Sure, the FCC rules that they agreed to in order to purchase those C block licenses was key in all this, but that doesn't necessarily make what I said any less true.
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i bought my '13 Moto Xs as carrier devices. one was from Moto Maker and one direct from VZW. even back then, the idea of a carrier unlocked VZW device was few and far between. so happy to be out of the "we'll update your device when we feel like it" type mentality.
heck, i remember people used to choose their carrier based on device availability. the whole carrier exclusive things was a big PITA and i won't miss one bit of it. i can't wait for TV to catch on.
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according to DL, its on the way.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/11/16/nexus-6p-t-mobile-band-12-lte/
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i bought my '13 Moto Xs as carrier devices. one was from Moto Maker and one direct from VZW. even back then, the idea of a carrier unlocked VZW device was few and far between. so happy to be out of the "we'll update your device when we feel like it" type mentality.
heck, i remember people used to choose their carrier based on device availability. the whole carrier exclusive things was a big PITA and i won't miss one bit of it. i can't wait for TV to catch on.
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Sweet thank you for the link.
oldblue910 said:
In the end, I think what's happening is that Verizon and Sprint are realizing that if the phone works on the network and someone wants to give them their money, they should allow the phone and take the money.
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i think the reality tells a different story. if carriers still had the power to lock you in to their device/contract, they would continue to do so. cable companies lock you in to their own devices by restricting/encrypting the signal. once upon a time, all you needed was a tuner and an internet connection and you could get pretty much everything without paying them to "rent" their boxes.
even vehicle manufacturers are trying to "lock" you in to their infotainment systems by making them non-replaceable with non-standard components.
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go in before the edit.
i think the reality tells a different story. if carriers still had the power to lock you in to their device/contract, they would continue to do so. cable companies lock you in to their own devices by restricting/encrypting the signal. once upon a time, all you needed was a tuner and an internet connection and you could get pretty much everything without paying them to "rent" their boxes.
even vehicle manufacturers are trying to "lock" you in to their infotainment systems by making them non-replaceable with non-standard components.
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Well, yeah, but again, the fact that they WOULD do it is kind-of immaterial. They're not doing it. They're going the other way. The reasons for it aren't really terribly important. But yes, unchecked, companies will always try to lock you into their products and services. It's been happening for centuries. That's the art of making a profit.
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So I'm not too thrilled about the 6 GB/64 GB version we're apparently getting in Canada, and am seriously considering getting an 8 GB/128 GB version on eBay, but I'm concerned about it being a Taiwanese SKU/serial.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts as to whether it would work in Canada, if updates would come properly, etc - or better still if I could just flash it to the NA version on arrival, etc.? Thanks!
Hyacin said:
So I'm not too thrilled about the 6 GB/64 GB version we're apparently getting in Canada, and am seriously considering getting an 8 GB/128 GB version on eBay, but I'm concerned about it being a Taiwanese SKU/serial.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts as to whether it would work in Canada, if updates would come properly, etc - or better still if I could just flash it to the NA version on arrival, etc.? Thanks!
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You must buy ww or Europe rom Version.
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Will any of the unlocked version work on Verizon?
I've been looking for complete specs... will any of the unlocked versions of this phone work on Verizon?
Make 8 GB Zenfone AR work on Verizon?
Hyacin said:
So I'm not too thrilled about the 6 GB/64 GB version we're apparently getting in Canada, and am seriously considering getting an 8 GB/128 GB version on eBay, but I'm concerned about it being a Taiwanese SKU/serial.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts as to whether it would work in Canada, if updates would come properly, etc - or better still if I could just flash it to the NA version on arrival, etc.? Thanks!
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I am also super interested in the ability get an 8 GB version working on Verizon. If someone knows for sure a flash would get the correct bands and it's not a hardware issue, that would be terrific.
Buying the 8/256GB RAM/storage version in Europe.
At the moment I am only able to find this phone available for purchase in Sweden with 6GB of RAM and 128GB of internal storage. Does anyone know if a version with the highest specs will be available in the future? Why aren't the phone available with all options in every country? Where can I go to get a version with better specs?
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I am also super interested in the ability get an 8 GB version working on Verizon. If someone knows for sure a flash would get the correct bands and it's not a hardware issue, that would be terrific.
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Bought my Verizon one yesterday. Based on the unlocked one I briefly got to fondle it does look to be a hardware limit.
The unlocked ones will not work on Verizon Sprint says in specs on Amazon website
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The Verizon one seems good so far just hope we can get some development for it.
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Because Amazon website has misinformation.
Well, I bit the bullet and just picked mine up. Haven't done anything to it yet but plug it in. Battery was at 15% so I need to let it charge first. Hate saying goodbye to root though....
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Because Amazon website has misinformation.
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The Amazon or global one is GSM network Verizon and Sprint use CDMA networks . So the info on their site is correct.
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I've been looking for complete specs... will any of the unlocked versions of this phone work on Verizon?
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From my testing, the unlocked version will pick up Verizon LTE bands but calls fail since there is no VoLTE option on the phone. Did not pick up any of their 3G signals, and their system would not accept my IMEI as a compatible device. So it may work if you can convince Verizon to add the phone to their system, which is unlikely since they already have their own version.
FWIW I also tried it with a Sprint SIM, but got no service whatsoever and their system would not accept the IMEI. Thew in a Cricket/AT&T SIM and the phone worked as expected.
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Well, I bit the bullet and just picked mine up. Haven't done anything to it yet but plug it in. Battery was at 15% so I need to let it charge first. Hate saying goodbye to root though....
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I doubt you will miss it. The phone is beast enough. Enjoy it!
dantegl36 said:
I doubt you will miss it. The phone is beast enough. Enjoy it!
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I miss the high score I've built up in Klondike for the last 7 years and I miss all the notes I had in my Memo app and I definitely miss having Kernel options, because I'm not impressed with battery life at this point, but yeah, it's a beast. The screen is amazing. Like nothing I've ever seen before. The camera lives up to advertised and it's super fast.
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From my testing, the unlocked version will pick up Verizon LTE bands but calls fail since there is no VoLTE option on the phone. Did not pick up any of their 3G signals, and their system would not accept my IMEI as a compatible device. So it may work if you can convince Verizon to add the phone to their system, which is unlikely since they already have their own version.
FWIW I also tried it with a Sprint SIM, but got no service whatsoever and their system would not accept the IMEI. Thew in a Cricket/AT&T SIM and the phone worked as expected.
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Which LTE Bands are you getting?
I'm on T-Mobile,seems we only have Band 2 support on the WW unlocked 8GB/128 GB Model.
I've already initiated a return w/the e-Bay seller,more than likely,it's going back tomorrow.
I'd been OK with Bands 2 & 4,which are listed here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73425969&postcount=2
The fact that they let this .pdf out & it's not even accurate speaks volumes for North American support:Tone-Deaf would be a compliment...............
KOLIOSIS said:
Which LTE Bands are you getting?
I'm on T-Mobile,seems we only have Band 2 support on the WW unlocked 8GB/128 GB Model.
I've already initiated a return w/the e-Bay seller,more than likely,it's going back tomorrow.
I'd been OK with Bands 2 & 4,which are listed here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73425969&postcount=2
The fact that they let this .pdf out & it's not even accurate speaks volumes for North American support:Tone-Deaf would be a compliment...............
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I was able to get service on 4 and 13 for Verizon, and 2 and 12 for Cricket/AT&T. It may support more, but I'm not aware of any apps that will let me scan for service on all bands. LTE Discovery mentioned a "Potential eCSFB issue" with the Verizon SIM which is likely because there was no CDMA support.
Fun fact... apparently the phone supports XLTE with Verizon, which led to a rather depressing speed test compared to my service with Cricket.
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I was able to get service on 4 and 13 for Verizon, and 2 and 12 for Cricket/AT&T. It may support more, but I'm not aware of any apps that will let me scan for service on all bands. LTE Discovery mentioned a "Potential eCSFB issue" with the Verizon SIM which is likely because there was no CDMA support.
Fun fact... apparently the phone supports XLTE with Verizon, which led to a rather depressing speed test compared to my service with Cricket.
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Are your results with the VZW model,or,the unlocked model?
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Are your results with the VZW model,or,the unlocked model?
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These are from the Unlocked 8GB/128GB model from Amazon running the WW firmware.
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These are from the Unlocked 8GB/128GB model from Amazon running the WW firmware.
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THX!,just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same model phone.
I'm gonna give it one more day,get around town & see if the connectivity is OK.
If spotty (w/Band 2 only) ,I'm sending it back,or,selling it on Swappa.
Outside of sparse LTE Band support,it's a nice phone,I really don't wanna part w/it so soon after getting it.
Haven't tried out the AR/VR Capabilities yet,but,I do like the display & the speaker quality/loudness.
TBH,I'm covered in WI-FI Most of the time,but,I did expect better LTE Band support nevertheless,especially for a DualSIM/Unlocked phone.
The fact that it's being sold on Amazon as-is seems to be Asus shooting themselves in the foot,certainly there'll be quite a few returns,once people find out connectivity is less than ideal for an unlocked phone,one that is marketed to the US/North America.
Update on mine, battery life is getting better now as the phone settles in. NOT impressed with Data though. I was in the country yesterday, my ASUS Zenpad had 2 bars of 4G and the Zenfone was in roam. Everything else is great, and living without root is bearable, I guess. Fortunately, my 7 year high score on Klondike is an X-Box Live/Google Play game and the score were carried over from the X Box cloud. I know that sounds silly but 7 years over multiple devices is a long time to build up a high score and was a major stress point going to a locked down device
I'm curious, I'm VERY new to the android world (My iPhone XS Max is still my primary)
I started with Androids about a year ago out of both boredom and a desire to learn.
So, I picked up a Pixel 2, then an LG V30, then S8, then S9, until I found the OnePlus 6. I was instantly hooked on the OnePlus 6, only replacing it with the 6T for the fingerprint reader in the screen. (I still have the 6 and 6T, all others were sold)
Anyway - Google Fi is intriguing to me, as I end up in areas were T-Mobile simply doesn't work. I would like the carrier switching, but I don't have a desire to switch back to a more expensive Pixel 3 XL, that really ONLY offers me the advantage of the carrier switching. Overall, I found the OnePlus 6/6T running Pie to be the cleanest experience.
So, my question - Does anyone feel that someone may be able to get the OnePlus phones to do the carrier switching? Or is this actually a hardware feature? I know nothing about how Fi works, so please excuse my ignorance.
Thank you in advance for any productive responses.
Alternatively, maybe I should just sell the 6 and 6T and pickup with 3XL?
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Alternatively, maybe I should just sell the 6 and 6T and pickup with 3XL?
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I believe that automatic carrier switching is an integral part of Google Fi
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Oops wrong. Only for fully supported phones.
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Yes, I understand that. But the question was "Does anyone feel that someone may be able to get the OnePlus phones to do the carrier switching? Or is this actually a hardware feature?"
In other words, if the switching software based that may be able to be patched into the 6/6T, or is it a modem hardware feature exclusive to the official Fi devices?
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Yes, I understand that. But the question was "Does anyone feel that someone may be able to get the OnePlus phones to do the carrier switching? Or is this actually a hardware feature?"
In other words, if the switching software based that may be able to be patched into the 6/6T, or is it a modem hardware feature exclusive to the official Fi devices?
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I was hopping this would be fully functional as Fi announced support for non Fi devices, but apparently network swapping is not going to work or work so well. See the write up for the explanation.
https://www.xda-developers.com/project-fi-samsung-oneplus-lg-moto-iphones/
looks to me like the one plus 6 is on there, so, the T might work as well.
contact google directly, and ask them, thats the best way to find out
Ugh, is no one actually reading the question?
I'm not asking if the phone will work with Fi, I'm asking if the carrier switching is does in hardware or software, and if it is software do the devs here feel that they may be able to port the carrier switching to the other supported phones?
ok, now I understand..
asking questions here makes people assume you are discussing the 6T, NOT project fi/android in general..
good luck
wase4711 said:
ok, now I understand..
asking questions here makes people assume you are discussing the 6T, NOT project fi/android in general..
good luck
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Everything I read is that you would only be using T-Mobile. But since the 6t is dual SIM you can have dual service. I plan on getting a one plus 6t and using fi(TMO) for phone calls and texting and Unreal mobile (ATT) for Data. I am not sure if you can use VZW or Sprint for the second SIM but T-Mobile and AT&T is better in most cases than TMO and Sprint (no US Cellular in my area)
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Everything I read is that you would only be using T-Mobile. But since the 6t is dual SIM you can have dual service. I plan on getting a one plus 6t and using fi(TMO) for phone calls and texting and Unreal mobile (ATT) for Data. I am not sure if you can use VZW or Sprint for the second SIM but T-Mobile and AT&T is better in most cases than TMO and Sprint (no US Cellular in my area)
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Alternatively you can get a pixel 2 or 3 and project fi esim and an alternate SIM. Although it's only one SIM at a time. That way though you do get essentially 3 carriers to choose from for service
So I found if I could dial a code in my dialer for fi, with the Google Fi app installed and activated, and get "cannot switch carrier", all I had to do was clear data on my app and the dialer switch would work
It's on their site. When you choose the 6t it shows what's supported and what's not. See attached image
To answer your question, yes it appears to be a hardware problem. It is either that we don't have the cdma radios needed for sprint or el goog is playing favorites and only wants certain hardware to work for carrier switching between tmobile and sprint. I am not familiar with the us cellular required radios but it is likely the same el goog restriction in this case as well. My vote is that el goog is trying to get people to buy the officially supported devices for full functionality, they are becoming more and more just like all other carriers now, huh?
Either way I think I am switching back to fi now that the 6t is at least officially compatible for use on tmobile and I am almost certain that wifi calling will work where service is poor. I am on tmobile now and wifi calling works just fine, I made a 30 minute wifi call last night and worked perfectly.
So it's a software problem. Google will not release the software as part of an update included with every android release or they won't work with the manufacturer to update the partition responsible
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To answer your question, yes it appears to be a hardware problem. It is either that we don't have the cdma radios needed for sprint or el goog is playing favorites and only wants certain hardware to work for carrier switching between tmobile and sprint. I am not familiar with the us cellular required radios but it is likely the same el goog restriction in this case as well. My vote is that el goog is trying to get people to buy the officially supported devices for full functionality, they are becoming more and more just like all other carriers now, huh?
Either way I think I am switching back to fi now that the 6t is at least officially compatible for use on tmobile and I am almost certain that wifi calling will work where service is poor. I am on tmobile now and wifi calling works just fine, I made a 30 minute wifi call last night and worked perfectly.
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OnePlus 6T has full support for T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, and US Cellular. For Verizon and US Cellular, it also supports every CDMA Band.
For Sprint, it has every LTE Band and is missing one CDMA Band. Sprint doesn't allow unapproved devices on their network, and activation is tied to the device MEID unlike Verizon. There's no hardware reason why Fi can't allow at least LTE on both T-Mobile and Sprint. Perhaps the issue is that Sprint restricts them in some manner from using Fi on devices not in Sprint's database. Also Band 71 (T-Mobile) oddly doesn't work on Google Fi, so maybe it would lend credence to there being weird LTE Band restrictions for Fi's carrier agreements.
Well I am going back to tmobile, fi doesn't allow wifi calling and tmobile does so for me it is a no brainer. I still think that there is more going on here than just hardware issues but that's just my opinion. I mean, why is wifi calling not allowed on fi(tmobile) but it is on tmobile?
Not sure if you already switched back or if you are open to trying another service again, but i have been using Mint Mobile for a while now and love it. My monthly payment comes out to $24/Month with 5GB of data and an additional $10/1GB or $20/3GB.
Maybe https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cheekydevs.fiswitch can help for OP users?
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Not sure if you already switched back or if you are open to trying another service again, but i have been using Mint Mobile for a while now and love it. My monthly payment comes out to $24/Month with 5GB of data and an additional $10/1GB or $20/3GB.
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Does wifi-calling work with Mint Mobile??
Eta: Checked website and wifi calling is included, and 20 buck sale right now for 3 months 8gb a month...not bad for a test drive! I'm back on fi so I can pause it while I give it a go :
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Does wifi-calling work with Mint Mobile??
Eta: Checked website and wifi calling is included, and 20 buck sale right now for 3 months 8gb a month...not bad for a test drive! I'm back on fi so I can pause it while I give it a go :
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Awesome dude! It is definitely worth it considering you save at least $40 from any other major carrier. Only thing it doesn't have is the visual voicemail but i never use it anyway so it doesnt bother me.
Hope it is as good for you as it has been for me.
hunterulmes said:
Awesome dude! It is definitely worth it considering you save at least $40 from any other major carrier. Only thing it doesn't have is the visual voicemail but i never use it anyway so it doesnt bother me.
Hope it is as good for you as it has been for me.
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Visual voicemail is working for me with pixel experience ROM on project fi which shouldn't work on OnePlus 6T if I remember correctly.
You try that ROM yet with mint mobile?
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