Just of curiosity is task killers worth it? i mean android has there own built in task killers..do we need em. do they speed up your phone? or just do the same amount and just kill more apps.
You really should not use any task killers, especially any auto kill ones. It just kills your battery. You kill the app and then android will most likely reopen it requiring the system to load it from the slower flash memory instead of directly from ram. When you press your home button/background the app, android will eventually cache the app in the ram to make it load faster and take up less resources. Imagine having an auto task killer killing the apps in the background and android just starting them back up like a loop.
Hope that makes sense. If your phone has been slowing down and if it is rooted I would recommend using Greenify.
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I don't know if this is an issue with android.. or galaxy s... or "Advanced Task Killer".... but apps keep popping up after i "Kill" them....
when i say apps pop up... i mean random apps that i have not touched...
for example I never touched the Visual Voicemail as i don't have use for it.. and amazong mp3.. the list just keeps going ...
i don't know why it keeps reloading after i "kill" them..i did google this problem and could not find any one else complaining... maybe i didn't do a good job of searching... this is wayy too frustrating
is there a "Fix" for this?
well first you shouldn't be using a task killer. Second they show up there because some apps run in the background occasionally without you even opening them.
Because the apps are doing stuff and you keep killing them so they restart. Stop using a task killer and let android handle the running programs like google programmed the os to do. The google programmers are really talented I promise.
As said above. Apps auto run in background. Android deals with this efficiently, best not to use a task killer
Don't use task killers.
It's really that simple.
Task killer is a no no for Phones with 128+ RAM
Most stuff needn't be killed, but T-Mobile includes some bloatware that has absolutely no right to be running at all, much less all the time (hi, daily briefing). The "don't use a task manager" meme is fine for a stock android phone where presumably you're only installing things that you actually want to use, but when you buy a branded phone you really *don't* want the carrier garbage running all the time. At best, it sits around doing nothing until Android kills it on its own, but at worst it can drain your battery life and cause instability.
The only surefire solution I've found is to actually remove the offending bloatware using root explorer or titanium backup.
^^TL;DR Remove bloat, don't use a task killer.
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Ok, I'll ask if no one else will, why not run a task killer? What is the downside?
There are any number of applications on the phone that I literally never use like Amazon MP3, Slacker, and Visual Voicemail, why would I want to leave those running when I have no use for them, and there is an easy way to kill them off when they spawn themselves?
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Ok, I'll ask if no one else will, why not run a task killer? What is the downside?
There are any number of applications on the phone that I literally never use like Amazon MP3, Slacker, and Visual Voicemail, why would I want to leave those running when I have no use for them, and there is an easy way to kill them off when they spawn themselves?
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I think its ok to use Task Killers for occasionally stopping apps that are giving you issues (running slowly, frozen). The problem with using Task Killers is that it can make your system unstable, it can mess up widgets, and Android doesn't really need it. Android will close apps on its own when it needs more memory . Most apps, if programed correctly, will use little to no battery power when idle in the background. It can take more battery power to start up an app again rather than opening it from idle.
lmlloyd said:
Ok, I'll ask if no one else will, why not run a task killer? What is the downside?
There are any number of applications on the phone that I literally never use like Amazon MP3, Slacker, and Visual Voicemail, why would I want to leave those running when I have no use for them, and there is an easy way to kill them off when they spawn themselves?
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We're finding more and more that on higher end phones, such as the Vibrant, when a task killer is running the Android OS isn't being allowed to control the apps to it's full potential and some of the task killers are causing problems. After we remove the task killers, problems can occasionally be resolved. Not always, it's just something we're seeing. At least in my store and when I can in to support.
Because when an app is running in the background, it uses practically no battery. Most of the time it is not using any processor clock cycles just taking up some ram space. You don't have to worry about the ram being used because android will automatically end apps when it needs more ram. A lot of the time, ending an app via task killers will actually slow the phone down because when you go to open the app again it has to totally reopen rather than just awake from an idle state. Android 2.2 is even better at managing background tasks and running a task killer will almost guarantee a slower phone.
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Smart Bars not a bad one that you can start up and kill a task that wont exit out. However i wouldn't use it to "free up RAM"
When you start up the phone on stock rom w/ all the bloatware you have like 20+ random apps already running by default. If you ran a quadrant test now your score wouldn't be as high as if you killed all those apps then did the test. I went from 1900 to 2250 by killing all the apps. Not a huge difference but personally I don't like things like Slacker or GoGo running in the background when I never use them.
I don't like using task killers though, I just wish all these stupid apps wouldn't start when the phone is booted up. It can really make the phone slower. Killing all apps + lagfix means load times are almost non existant. Having all those apps running + lagfix means you will get some stutters in load times.
Task killers often show cached apps. They are not running just on stand by until you open them.
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There is an app called "Start Up Auditor" It disables any app you want (yes including the bloatware) Form starting up when you boot up and randomly while the phone is on.
For example I have all my bloatware that I don't want set to do not start at boot up unless I physically choose to open that app.
Better than any task killer out there. So you NEVER have to worry about the bloatware other than it taking up some memory.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
That's really the best explanation right there. It explains just why Android does what it does.
Sorry, no tl;dr for the lazy.
I had my task killer on auto kill cuz i was frustrated..... but i'm gonna go download that "Star up Auditor"... sounds like the most efficient way... since i actually do use Slacker..
anyhow..thanks alot guys for the suggestions..
running UK 2.1 build 6649. I have it rooted...how do i stop certain apps from launching. When i check task manager , all these programs are running when I never launched them. Kind of getting sick of Autotask killer and Cache memory cleaner programms to recovery ram
Ignore them. Most are likely not "running" but are frozen in state in RAM and don't affect you at all. Killing apps the OS has started only means the OS will re-launch them using the same RAM and more battery life.
I only use a task killer if an app is really acting weird.
I've never figured out why Android launches some apps, but I ignore them.
You'll sleep better too!
Until android 2.2 I can definitely say that using a task killer wisely is needed for some users. I use advanced memory manager for root and have set to (bottom up) 150, 140, 135, 120. In my case it doesn't ever free up memory fromm my storm live games or opera. So I use ERAY to auto kill all games and browsers when screen goes off. This Is A NECESSARY. these programs will drop my memory down to 110 which gets sluggish.
Don't let people fool you. Using task killers wisely IS a good idea.
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I beg to differ.
I was a big believer in Task Killers and I used them from the G1 all the way to my Epic 4G and I discovered one thing. It's Android's nature to have programs in Dormit state in the background, what really sucks is to have porgrams in the backgorund consuming processor time, not memory.
I have uninstalled the Task Killer software and I've been task killer free for more than 2 weeks now, and I have seen more improvements. I notice in my task killer days that the phone would become somewhat sluggesh after 112 - 110 MB becuase the programs were restarting in memory and thats when the impact on the processor was being made (thus draining some more power).
After uninstalling task killer, I installed Watchdog which can kill apps but its main focus is to find the programs that will not be dormit while not being used, so far i've seen a jump in performace and longer battery life. I notice that everytime my phone may become sluggish there is always an nonused / nondormit software that needs to be killed, but its just one, not a bunch.
Also killing apps is not right for the phone, this can corrupt the services and programs in the long run.
I don't curse the people who use task killers, but I just don't think that we need it, specially with such a powerfull phone.
I had advanced task killer installed but I'm interested in watchdog.
Why is killing apps not good for the phone but allowing bunches of apps is good?
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It is because of the way that android handles background applications, sorta like the difference between windows and linux...in windows mobile phones, if an app is minimized it is still running like normal and taking up resources, you just are on a different screen. For android, if an app is "minimized" then the app shuts down but keeps certain files in storage to open up the app faster when you go back to it. the android OS is smart enough that it assigns a priority to each app based on how often it is used so that if it starts running low on memory then it will stop those apps with the lowest priority. If you use a task killer then it wipes all the stored files from the apps and when you go to open it again it has to work harder to open the app, therefore spending more resources and using more battery power
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The longest I ever went between charges on my Epic was the day I didn't use my task killers at all...
Repeatedly opening and closing apps unnecessarily is not good for your battery. Most of those apps are just going to re-open themselves anyway.
Now I only use my task killer if my phone is actually starting to feel sluggish, and in that case it's just a matter of my experience using the phone, not trying to conserve battery. Task killers do the opposite of conserving battery.
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The longest I ever went between charges on my Epic was the day I didn't use my task killers at all...
Repeatedly opening and closing apps unnecessarily is not good for your battery. Most of those apps are just going to re-open themselves anyway.
Now I only use my task killer if my phone is actually starting to feel sluggish, and in that case it's just a matter of my experience using the phone, not trying to conserve battery. Task killers do the opposite of conserving battery.
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Exactly, if you are going to use a task killer then that is the way you should do it, I use mine to shut down the drm service after a reboot to improve battery life but if my phone is feeling sluggish then I just do a reboot
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I came from a epic 4g and 2.2 had its own task killer idk if it was a samsung thing or what but I used it a lot does the xperia need a third party killer to kill apps or do task killers run the battey down?
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You don't need them
The only reason I have one is so that if a process becomes unstable, unresponsive, or it's just pissing me off I can kill that particular task. Ending every task as you stop using it is a waste of time and is pretty much asking for data corruption.
I just use Go Launcher EX, and in the app drawer there's a menu for "running" apps. You can close, lock, open any of the apps that are running. Seems to do a good job, quick and convenient.
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I just use Go Launcher EX, and in the app drawer there's a menu for "running" apps. You can close, lock, open any of the apps that are running. Seems to do a good job, quick and convenient.
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It would be awesome if this could be a seperate app. A simple task "ender" which soft kills each process, and only shows the processes you open.
There's a thread explaining why you don't need task managers, something about Linux's memory handling which is much better that Windows'... Task killing on Linux/Android is a waste of time as Android shuts down processes automatically when they're not used.
They kill your battery as it becomes a never ending cycle of killing the process which then starts up again which then gets killed which then starts again etc etc etc.
Any process not being used is frozen and doesn't use battery, memory or processor.
Avoid task killers unless you have a battery killing fetish
yes...i experienced it with my arc, after i removed Advanced task killer, the phone actually gave better performance. I had an issue with gameloft HD games which forced the phone to restart atfer 5 mins playing them, but it got solved atfer i uninstalled advanced task killer. The thing is linux and windows have different methods of handling background processes and hence we need to get out of the windows mentality. Also u can always close unwanted processes from the settings menu. Pls try it and reply what difference u see....
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yes...i experienced it with my arc, after i removed Advanced task killer, the phone actually gave better performance. I had an issue with gameloft HD games which forced the phone to restart atfer 5 mins playing them, but it got solved atfer i uninstalled advanced task killer. The thing is linux and windows have different methods of handling background processes and hence we need to get out of the windows mentality. Also u can always close unwanted processes from the settings menu. Pls try it and reply what difference u see....
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Task killers that are auto will cause issues, since those same apps will just keep restarting, assuming it's services that are syncing and what not. I use MIUi+GO launcher which both have the ability to kill only active apps or ones in foreground. I think you should use this on your phone, it will modify android's built in task killer instead of being an app...And it stops home launcher from reloading.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
Spare Parts is another way of tweaking Android's in-built task management settings.
In Android, a full RAM doesn't mean a slower phone. Android will wipe RAM whenever it needs it and some apps will only try to restart when you kill them so it's no use having a task killer.
On the other hand, sometimes a crazy app could swallow the CPU, and that can even cause your phone to freeze, not having a task killer shouldn't be troublesome if you keep that in mind and kill any greedy app.
Uhm, if I didn't do myself clear: TaskKillers in the Arc are useless xD
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personally my arc without task killer drain battery very fast.