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hey guys...so I was playing with the phone, installed some apps here and there and went to mem info and i saw that my available memory is never over 70 mb off the 345 !!!!
this might be causing some lag and maybe overwork the processor and messing with my battery life
I moved most of the apps to the usb part and still...I reset it..went up but then drastically went down again
Im running superaosp 8.6 .... I have no idea why is this...MY nexus one there was always at least 100 mb left (used app2sd)..kinda annoying to be honest
any advice?
If you go through the list of running apps and services, is there anything out of the ordinary?
Try to close all of them and see what happens.
Greetz
PS: I have about 180mb free if I only let the vital stuff running - Google services, BLN, Maps (LocationService) and Swiftkey
I've got 156 MB free on mine.at least that's what the running services screen tells me.
However android optimizer tells me that I've got 35 MB free? What's going on? Is the stock android running services panel not showing everything?
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^^^exactly my thing...On the running services are it shows about 140 free but on thememinfo i have about 50...really weird
Another thing ...my battery usage goes :
display 40 percent
isnt that a little too high??
autorotation off, auto brightness off
Well I think on the running services it probably only shows you services that are actually running (actively). Whereas other programs (such as android optimizer) tells you the memory used by all programs that have been started at boot time.
I'm now just guessing here but many of these boot started programas might have been passivated by the Android OS onto disk so they don't really take actual RAM until you switch to any of them. Only to get passivated again after you exit them.
I get 40% usage of screen as well. It's normal, it's what takes the most. I've got auto brigthness on and it's usually quite dim. Auto-rotation is always on.
I would only get concerned if the Android System starts taking much battery use, rising above 10%. This might indicate some program misusing the system and keeping the phone awake too much.
Go Weather had such an effect on my Nexus S so I switched it off. Other programs that track your location in real time (like some weather programs... Weather Bug, but can be configured) can take a toll on the wake time of the Android System.
running services shows my device having 234mb free ram
rault18 said:
hey guys...so I was playing with the phone, installed some apps here and there and went to mem info and i saw that my available memory is never over 70 mb off the 345 !!!!
this might be causing some lag and maybe overwork the processor and messing with my battery life
I moved most of the apps to the usb part and still...I reset it..went up but then drastically went down again
Im running superaosp 8.6 .... I have no idea why is this...MY nexus one there was always at least 100 mb left (used app2sd)..kinda annoying to be honest
any advice?
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By saying "moved to the USB part" do you mean you moved most of them to the SD memory? If so, doing that will make your Nexus even slower. Memory and available app storage are two different things. I think you're confusing the two.
Nexus S and NS4G have:
1GB of app storage
16GB of SD storage
345MB of RAM
Also, having low memory available actually means your system is properly alocating all available recources. Do some reading on how androind manages memory. It's definitly not your typical Windows scenario Another thing to keep in mind is that RAM which is reported isn't accurate to what the usual "free memory" ideology is.
Awesome answer sir!!! Thank you..it def help me understand some of the stuff.still a little confusing tho
Nexus one and s are def little different from each other
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rault18 said:
Awesome answer sir!!! Thank you..it def help me understand some of the stuff.still a little confusing tho
Nexus one and s are def little different from each other
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Yeah, they are different but besides the specs same rules apply. SD storage will be slower to respond than internal app storage and ram is filled up just about the same way.
Btw, this is a Nexus S section, isn't it?
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Yes it is..thus I mentioned and compared my one to my s
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I have noticed that on my handset (gsm, sim free device) that I never seem to have more than 656 free ram and is often as low as 200.
I only have 3 home screens running with the stock launcher and the only widget I have is the full size calender and the task manager. I'm not using any live wallpaper or anything either so where is it all going?
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hpsauce37 said:
I have noticed that on my handset (gsm, sim free device) that I never seem to have more than 656 free ram and is often as low as 200.
I only have 3 home screens running with the stock launcher and the only widget I have is the full size calender and the task manager. I'm not using any live wallpaper or anything either so where is it all going?
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restart your phone, or hold down the home button, and clear all. i have a metric **** ton of apps, and a quick reset yields me about 1-1.1k mbs of free ram
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restart your phone, or hold down the home button, and clear all. i have a metric **** ton of apps, and a quick reset yields me about 1-1.1k mbs of free ram
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Ok so when i was previously using the task manager to close all apps and free up space it would typically leave me with around 656mb free.
My thinking was that there must be a rouge app or something so i have just deleted 2 apps. One was a wallpaper app (not sure if i should name or not) and another was a file extracter app. I then restarted my phone
I now have between 860 and 766 showing free and that with me currently streaming iplayer radio to a bluetooth speaker.
Whats interesting though is that neither of these apps were showing as 'running apps' in the task manager.
Mate, it has been discussed umpteen number of times, do not worry about Ram. Even if it has 100 mb free ram that is enough. Free Ram is wasted Ram. If need be Andorid memory mgmt will take over and make sure you still have no lags.
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Mate, it has been discussed umpteen number of times, do not worry about Ram. Even if it has 100 mb free ram that is enough. Free Ram is wasted Ram. If need be Andorid memory mgmt will take over and make sure you still have no lags.
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but i have been noticing some lags which is why i wondered if this was the problem. The phone does just not feel as smooth as the xperia z1 i had which was just instant with loading anything, in and out of apps etc.
So far i have reduced animations etc in developer options and have now just tried the mod in another thread about going into the service menu and switching on the thermal throttling to see if that helps.
I know everyones perception of lagg is different but having come from the xperia z1 its one of the things that stands out to me and is a little frustrating.
If it were not for the fact that i like the onscreen notifications i get with email and messaging with the standard launcher then i would use nova etc but really just feel that i should not have to, didnt with my other phone and with these kind of specs these type of problems really should be a thing of the past now. To me it must be an optimization issue with lg's software as its not there with the z1.
hpsauce37 said:
I have noticed that on my handset (gsm, sim free device) that I never seem to have more than 656 free ram and is often as low as 200.
I only have 3 home screens running with the stock launcher and the only widget I have is the full size calender and the task manager. I'm not using any live wallpaper or anything either so where is it all going?
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Post your Screen Shoot of Running Applications, may be we can help and is your phone rooted ?
hpsauce37 said:
but i have been noticing some lags which is why i wondered if this was the problem. The phone does just not feel as smooth as the xperia z1 i had which was just instant with loading anything, in and out of apps etc.
So far i have reduced animations etc in developer options and have now just tried the mod in another thread about going into the service menu and switching on the thermal throttling to see if that helps.
I know everyones perception of lagg is different but having come from the xperia z1 its one of the things that stands out to me and is a little frustrating.
If it were not for the fact that i like the onscreen notifications i get with email and messaging with the standard launcher then i would use nova etc but really just feel that i should not have to, didnt with my other phone and with these kind of specs these type of problems really should be a thing of the past now. To me it must be an optimization issue with lg's software as its not there with the z1.
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Honestly Android with all the diff customizations, is tough to handle and difficult to pinpoint the exact cause. Did you try some other Launcher and see how it goes.
I've noticed lately that CM11 is using abnormal amounts of memory. It doesn't slow my phone down all that much, but it's just bothering me because I know its not supposed to. Before I got this G2, my S3 ran CM10.2 and it used a ton less memory (between 4 and 600mb).
And from what I know, KitKat is supposed to use less resources.
I also have a normal amount of processes running. Just basic apps like Snapchat, Kik, Voice and Voice+, and all the normal Google services that always run. I even uninstalled FB cause I barely use it and at any given time it would be using up 70mb, and it made no difference,
I cant just keep killing my apps cause they reopen automatically. Even when I do, it doesn't even make a temporary difference. Even when I kill the cached apps.
Its just really bothering me. Any suggestions?
I have a couple screenshots.
free ram = wasted ram
sawyerbenjamin said:
I've noticed lately that CM11 is using abnormal amounts of memory. It doesn't slow my phone down all that much, but it's just bothering me because I know its not supposed to. Before I got this G2, my S3 ran CM10.2 and it used a ton less memory (between 4 and 600mb).
And from what I know, KitKat is supposed to use less resources.
I also have a normal amount of processes running. Just basic apps like Snapchat, Kik, Voice and Voice+, and all the normal Google services that always run. I even uninstalled FB cause I barely use it and at any given time it would be using up 70mb, and it made no difference,
I cant just keep killing my apps cause they reopen automatically. Even when I do, it doesn't even make a temporary difference. Even when I kill the cached apps.
Its just really bothering me. Any suggestions?
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The amount of free ram looks fine. That's what I get on my end with stock LG G2
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It bothers me so much that people still don't know how Android runs and manages resources.
It's not Windows, it's not MacOS, it's Android, it allocates everything on the RAM so that it can be accessed faster, and this improves load times, multitasking, etc.
Free RAM is pretty much wasted RAM and please, do not install task killers nor kill tasks manually. Android does it alone and does it better. Whenever it needs free RAM it will shut down something that's not being used and haven't been used in a long time to free that RAM up.
As two others have stated, free RAM is wasted RAM. I only have about 600mb of RAM free on the Optimus G3 ROM.
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As two others have stated, free RAM is wasted RAM. I only have about 600mb of RAM free on the Optimus G3 ROM.
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I hope I don't sound stupid. It's just more of an OCD thing. Just a couple days ago and prior to that, my phone stuck around 750-850mb. Now its using a over a gig 100% of the time and its just bothering me. I figured there was an actual reason for this. Maybe its from Xposed modules? I never noticed it until I started using Xposed a couple days ago.
But its not a big deal I guess.
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I hope I don't sound stupid. It's just more of an OCD thing. Just a couple days ago and prior to that, my phone stuck around 750-850mb. Now its using a over a gig 100% of the time and its just bothering me. I figured there was an actual reason for this. Maybe its from Xposed modules? I never noticed it until I started using Xposed a couple days ago.
But its not a big deal I guess.
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If you're not having actual performance issues as a result, then don't worry about it. If you always have X amount of free RAM, then you don't need that RAM. As has already been stated, free/unused RAM is wasted RAM. Something most people don't understand about how computers work is that storage and RAM and two completely separate things. Storage is just that - STORAGE. Nothing runs directly from storage. RAM is where things run. When you - or the system - goes to run an application, it gets read from the slow storage and loaded into the much faster RAM and runs from there. This is why more RAM is better (notice I didn't say more free RAM). It allows more applications to be cached in RAM ready to run fast - or to keep more services loaded to allow for more cool features.
More RAM is better, but if you're always clearing it out to keep X amount free and then reloading the same apps again, you are doing yourself no favors from a performance perspective. I am sure you have plenty available at all times for the system to load new apps. It will kill them on its own either when it needs to, or when it sees that haven't accessed that app after a certain amount of time.
rebar71 said:
If you're not having actual performance issues as a result, then don't worry about it. If you always have X amount of free RAM, then you don't need that RAM. As has already been stated, free/unused RAM is wasted RAM. Something most people don't understand about how computers work is that storage and RAM and two completely separate things. Storage is just that - STORAGE. Nothing runs directly from storage. RAM is where things run. When you - or the system - goes to run an application, it gets read from the slow storage and loaded into the much faster RAM and runs from there. This is why more RAM is better (notice I didn't say more free RAM). It allows more applications to be cached in RAM ready to run fast - or to keep more services loaded to allow for more cool features.
More RAM is better, but if you're always clearing it out to keep X amount free and then reloading the same apps again, you are doing yourself no favors from a performance perspective. I am sure you have plenty available at all times for the system to load new apps. It will kill them on its own either when it needs to, or when it sees that haven't accessed that app after a certain amount of time.
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I am 100% fully aware of what Random Access Memory is and what purpose it serves, and I can distinguish it from storage. I know far more than the very basics of a computer. I was just wondering what was using all the extra RAM up. It was bothering me because prior, my phone was using a lot less. Idk why you assumed I didn't understand what RAM and storage was.
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I am 100% fully aware of what Random Access Memory is and what purpose it serves, and I can distinguish it from storage. I know far more than the very basics of a computer. I was just wondering what was using all the extra RAM up. It was bothering me because prior, my phone was using a lot less. Idk why you assumed I didn't understand what RAM and storage was.
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Read your own post again and see if you can figure out why i thought it needed explaining.
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rebar71 said:
Read your own post again and see if you can figure out why i thought it needed explaining.
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Yeah I didn't mention storage once.
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Yeah I didn't mention storage once.
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EDIT: No, you didn't mention storage. But just by asking the question, people generally are demonstrating a clear lack of understanding about how computers work. I usually just keep quiet, but every now and then, I feel compelled to fully explain it in the hope that the topic won't return. Alas, it always does.
I apologize that you were the unlucky one that I singled out on this occasion. I did not mean to offend. I thought I was being helpful. Maybe I helped someone else.
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See title. Feel like the ram usage on my note 4 is high even when "idle". Please see attached image for details.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
PS any tips on how to free up ram would be appreciated.
research47 said:
See title. Feel like the ram usage on my note 4 is high even when "idle". Please see attached image for details.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
PS any tips on how to free up ram would be appreciated.
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Mine is using 1.77GB. Using Dynamic Kat ROM.
research47 said:
See title. Feel like the ram usage on my note 4 is high even when "idle". Please see attached image for details.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
PS any tips on how to free up ram would be appreciated.
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I read on these devices it's supposed to be high. Sounds counter intuitive, but it allows quick access to ram or something along those lines. A quick Google search should help you out.
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Mine is 2.38.
Btw, this is mine without clearing anything, I ran all my normal apps and kept them in memory. Sure, I can get low memory if I clear my recently used apps, but that is not reality.
unused ram is wasted ram so you don't have to worry about it
Stock rooted. 1.56gb idle
Thanks for all the reply. Thought there was something wrong with my device.
I'm on stock rom and I've debloated my device my self. I deleted apps and services, turned off other things that I couldn't delete. My RAM usually sits between 1.16Gb to 1.42Gb.
worrying about idle ram is like worrying about benchmarks...
both mean nothing in a normally functioning phone..
I just posted this answer on reddit, but I guess I will try and spread the word a little more so that these posts stop coming up.
Android uses the Linux kernel, in the world of Linux/ Unix for those that do not know.... Unused RAM is wasted RAM. You phone will remove stuff from RAM if its getting to low on free space.
Colnart said:
unused ram is wasted ram so you don't have to worry about it
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Yep. If that bar isn't sitting at 2.4 to 2.7, you're not using it enough. The entirety of the RAM is getting refreshed every cycle regardless of whether or not it's being used.
dabbill said:
I just posted this answer on reddit, but I guess I will try and spread the word a little more so that these posts stop coming up.
Android uses the Linux kernel, in the world of Linux/ Unix for those that do not know.... Unused RAM is wasted RAM. You phone will remove stuff from RAM if its getting to low on free space.
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This is true of any modern OS. Even Windows Vista or newer, which will cache commonly used apps in RAM to allow for faster app starts.
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Yep. If that bar isn't sitting at 2.4 to 2.7, you're not using it enough. The entirety of the RAM is getting refreshed every cycle regardless of whether or not it's being used.
This is true of any modern OS. Even Windows Vista or newer, which will cache commonly used apps in RAM to allow for faster app starts.
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I would agree, that Vista and newer has gotten better, but I would still not consider them any where near as good as Linux / Unix.
I flashed the polish Android 5.0 lollipop on my SM-G900F Galaxy S5. I have the latest xxxBNL9 update. When i hit the task switcher (left) button it takes very long to minimize the screen and open the task switcher. Typically it takes 2-3 seconds. When i do it repetitively it goes quicker. I've already set the "transition animation scale" to off (or 0.5x) in "developer options". Frequently closing all apps also doesn't help.
Please help me. I multitask a lot and this delay is very annoying.
Unfortunately... this is android's fault, it is also experienced by some Nexus Roms.
trettet said:
Unfortunately... this is android's fault, it is also experienced by some Nexus Roms.
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Well that surprises me. I thought it was the bulky touchwiz for sure. I guess there's nothinh to be done but wait for Google to fix it. Thank you for the information, could you provide a link for anyone else who has the same question?
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Well that surprises me. I thought it was the bulky touchwiz for sure. I guess there's nothinh to be done but wait for Google to fix it. Thank you for the information, could you provide a link for anyone else who has the same question?
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I couldn't particularly find one on xda, but I've found lots of complaints on reddit..on Nexus and Android subs...just look it up..
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Agreed.
It was faster on 4.4.
There is a memory leak in 5.0 and even 5.0.1-2 that if you keep the phone on more than 2 days running the system eats up the RAM.
Was noted and linked to in the S5 firmware thread.
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There is a memory leak in 5.0 and even 5.0.1-2 that if you keep the phone on more than 2 days running the system eats up the RAM.
Was noted and linked to in the S5 firmware thread.
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Touchwiz is a bit of a memory leak on itself, but i think the memory leak doesn't just affect nexus phones, but also the Galaxy S5. When i look in my memory manager, with only a few small open apps (totalling less than 200mb) my memory is almost full, 1.4 /1.67gb used.
I don't know if that's the actual cause of the delay on opening the memory manager. It might well be, because with more memory it can keep the task switcher open/active longer. The times when there is a delay are probably when the task switcher app was closed because of low memory. When you open it several times, it goes much faster.
Note: I cleared my cache partition after a failed root attempt and reflashed the stock rom (without doing a factory reset). That helped a bit. It went from 2-4 seconds to 1-3 seconds to open the task switcher. It helped, but it's not a permanent fix.
The only temporary workaround as of yet is to reboot the phone regularly, like every 2 days.
2gb is really not enough for this phone... that's why we are seing a lag free note 3 touchwiz rom because it has 3 gb of ram.
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What you talking is nonsense. If 2 are gigabytes of RAM too little why are then 200 to 300 megabytes always free? If you have more than that it is useless. Why would anyone want to have a lot of RAM just sitting there and does nothing. Eats more battery, literally taking space in phone but does nothing.
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AlwaysAndroid said:
What you talking is nonsense. If 2 are gigabytes of RAM too little why are then 200 to 300 megabytes always free? If you have more than that it is useless. Why would anyone want to have a lot of RAM just sitting there and does nothing. Eats more battery, literally taking space in phone but does nothing.
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Having 200-300 MB of ram means yoh have too much crap running, i have 600ish free right now, and as far as i know having more ram would not affect battery life, nlt sure where you got that from.
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Rakuu said:
Having 200-300 MB of ram means yoh have too much crap running, i have 600ish free right now, and as far as i know having more ram would not affect battery life, nlt sure where you got that from.
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Of course it affects battery life because phone could have less RAM in total (physically less) which needs less juice. Less RAM needs less physical space and battery can be bigger. So again, if you have a lot free RAM just sitting there, it does nothing and I don`t know which smart ass even started comparing ROM optimization and free RAM.
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Of course it affects battery life because phone could have less RAM in total (physically less) which needs less juice. Less RAM needs less physical space and battery can be bigger. So again, if you have a lot free RAM just sitting there, it does nothing and I don`t know which smart ass even started comparing ROM optimization and free RAM.
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Other than having less size for the battery(which is is untrue, you could just have one larger sized ram stick) having more ram does not lead to less battery life. Like i said before where did you hear that? Googling that only brings up the contrary so im confused where you got that information.
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Sending 15 photos via fb messenger causes crash because it needs more ram.
Free ram isn't FREE RAM, it's cached memory, it is still being used but if an needs more it will free it and the cached process will be moved to swap or forced close...and yeah have fun sending a support or bug report to facebook, because they're not fixing it.
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