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What would make you get one?

Hi everyone
I haven't posted / lurked the firums here since back when I baught my original nexus one phone.
Shortly after that the iPhone 4 and eventually the 4s came out and I have found it hard to go back to android ( I liked the simplicity of iOS)
Lately i am getting over the struggle between Apple and the hackers that allow customers do do what they want with their device. ( I always have my iPhone hacked just so I can run the tweaks apple don't provide)
The apple tv pairs quite nicely with my iPhone and I have also hacked that to run plex so I can stream from my pc.
Development for plex on apple tv is slow and usually buggy due to apples restrictions and every update means developers need to wait for a jailbreak before they can continue development..
Which brings me to the point of this post. The nexus q just might be what I need to come back to android.
These are what would convince me to come back
1. Streaming from pc not just from google play ( I believe it's already being worked on / almost done )
2. Plex / other apps like airtight working ( I believe they should eventually)
3. This would be the icing on the cake. Being able to start a movie / tv show that is on my pc over 3G. Eg. Tge girlfriend is at home and wants to watch a movie but is not too tech savvy so I load plex or a similar app on my phone while I'm at work and select a movie from my library that is on my pc at home and it starts playing on the nexus q!
Should these become a reality I would buy a galaxy s3 and a nexus q right away.
What other things would MAKE you buy a nexus q?

Well only two reasons prevent me from buying one.
Nexus Q is not available in Europe
No Music/Movie/TV Shows in the german Play store
So without the ability to stream whatever I want without the Play Store, it is quite useless at the moment. As soon as stable Custom Roms allow me to stream over WiFi and/or run XBMC I'll import one.
I like the Design, the basic Idea and well, Android. I just don't get why Google kind of messed this up by leaving it up to the Community to make this Ball of any use.

I am hoping the awesome devs have this thing cracked wide open with opportunity soon.
As for the leaving it to the community i kind of like the idea. Its like Google saying we trust the community and don't want to influence them one way or another so they gave them pretty much an empty slate to work with.

You can do music. vpn into music.google then it activates.

I just wish this thing wasn't $299.
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sonikot said:
You can do music. vpn into music.google then it activates.
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I have activated music, however I can't order anything since checkout does not let me buy stuff with my credit card. Besides that I'd have to use a proxy 24/7 which slows down everything. That is not the kind of "experience" google wants to deliver and I don't want to have it either.
It is time that Google goes global with those things, can't be that hard...

greyphil said:
I have activated music, however I can't order anything since checkout does not let me buy stuff with my credit card. Besides that I'd have to use a proxy 24/7 which slows down everything. That is not the kind of "experience" google wants to deliver and I don't want to have it either.
It is time that Google goes global with those things, can't be that hard...
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My guess is the problem lies with the content deals being restricted by geographic region. Blame the content owners.
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I say a realistic price would spur my purchase. $99.

Frankly, with my PC connected to my TVs and audio receiver already, and my phone, tablets, etc already able to connect to my PC and/or TV, I just don't see an advantage to this device.

I'm sure the new nexus q will have some awesome features, I'm not sure about the ones you need but the wonderful thing about android is I'm sure one of our great developers will make that all possible. I have the q and I like it, I'm definitely going to need some more features to really love it but what I have now is great... Especially because it's free.
The new one will most likely be cheaper and have more features I think that it will be better than the Apple tv.
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sRDennyCrane said:
Frankly, with my PC connected to my TVs and audio receiver already, and my phone, tablets, etc already able to connect to my PC and/or TV, I just don't see an advantage to this device.
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Agreed
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Samsung Phones
If you own Samsung devices, just get allshare.

I have a ps3 and I can stream content to it via Wi-Fi from my PC or my nexus 7.... really no reason for a Q. If I were to get it, it would be because it looks cool.
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Logomotph said:
I have a ps3 and I can stream content to it via Wi-Fi from my PC or my nexus 7.... really no reason for a Q. If I were to get it, it would be because it looks cool.
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+1 I was pretty excited about the Q when I first saw it. I liked the design, the size of it etc but the reviews had me thinking I was better off with my PS3 set up.

hey
has anyone hacked one of these to do other things

Someone needs to buy/donate one of these for a capable dev for Christmas.

jrdoming said:
has anyone hacked one of these to do other things
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Of course. The thing that I did immediately was get SqueezePlayer running on it. This allows the Q to play local music over the network in just about any format (e.g. mp3, 24-bit flac, etc.). Control is handled by an app on your phone/tablet like Orange Squeeze, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Squeezebox Controller, or by pointing your browser to the Logitech Media Server's web interface. Oh, by the way, this also works with Squeezebox apps (e.g. Spotify, Pandora, Rhapsody, Slacker, MOG, etc.). Checkout the list here: http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery
The Q has a ton of potential right out of the box and is easily worth what it is going for on eBay these days - if the user is savvy enough to exploit its potential.

I think the Q was the perfect device for a place like a bedroom where you'd otherwise just have a simple shelf unit (or I do at least). It's more convenient and a bit cleaner than always connecting your phone to the aux input. Plus, it's nice to be able to control it remotely.
The only thing is that it's too expensive. It's priced as a high-end device, but in most of us already have a "high-end" solution for this sort of thing (ie: a PC or similar) which can do a lot more. A device like the Q needs to be [just a bit] cheaper so that it can compete with a shelf unit. Though I realize I'm not the first one to say this.

Ouya Nightmare

So i got my brand new ouya today at 9am, i quickly went home plugged it in and the first thing that happened was an error, the console wasn’t displaying on my TV, after i shut it off, it quickly started OUYA, and so did the setup, after a few minutes updating the software, the console started successfully and i stated to dig around, i didn’t give the store one glance, and started installing other apps, the first thing i wanted was Google play, failed, then a good launcher, fail even sharing something through blue-tooth, fail, it surprised me the slap this company gave Google, really it doesn’t have anything Google at all, no account, search, nothing, i was appalled, if i were Google i would be calling some people, i understand the whole gaming console but come on, its 2013 and if your device doesn’t do everything but serve as a skateboard, it isnt worth your money, and for $106.00 bucks with taxes is understandable but why limit the ability to make the console your own, after all i bought it, i would like to see a good tablet interface, with the option of an ouya store not a launcher, heck even keep the same Google play and have the compatible applications run in the damn device, why are you shutting the creator from its creation, you’re only a surgeon making changes to something so wonderful, making it cripple, this is the advice of a gamer, a tech freak and a consumer.
this is for you Julie Uhrma, and your team make it right

Sounds more like an Ouya Meh rather than Nightmare.
Seems absurd, but once the good people in the dev section get CM10.1 on it, it'll be more useful.

treborbula1 said:
So i got my brand new ouya today at 9am, i quickly went home plugged it in and the first thing that happened was an error, the console wasn’t displaying on my TV, after i shut it off, it quickly started OUYA, and so did the setup, after a few minutes updating the software, the console started successfully and i stated to dig around, i didn’t give the store one glance, and started installing other apps, the first thing i wanted was Google play, failed, then a good launcher, fail even sharing something through blue-tooth, fail, it surprised me the slap this company gave Google, really it doesn’t have anything Google at all, no account, search, nothing, i was appalled, if i were Google i would be calling some people, i understand the whole gaming console but come on, its 2013 and if your device doesn’t do everything but serve as a skateboard, it isnt worth your money, and for $106.00 bucks with taxes is understandable but why limit the ability to make the console your own, after all i bought it, i would like to see a good tablet interface, with the option of an ouya store not a launcher, heck even keep the same Google play and have the compatible applications run in the damn device, why are you shutting the creator from its creation, you’re only a surgeon making changes to something so wonderful, making it cripple, this is the advice of a gamer, a tech freak and a consumer.
this is for you Julie Uhrma, and your team make it right
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Sounds like you didn't research the console at all. I'm with you, but in a different way. I pre-ordered knowing it was a closed garden, but they told me I had the keys to the gate, "open and hackable". It's not any more open and/or hackable than a kindle fire. There isn't even a way to boot into recovery. I just ordered it to install CM10 and use it for media, but that doesn't look promising. I just called Chase and canceled my purchase. Was supposed to get it in April and I still haven't heard a word from them. For now, I'm done with Ouya and I'll enjoy my PS4. Perhaps they can change my mind with the Ouya 2, but for now I'm just praying Google will launch a TV box coupled with a controller.

treborbula1 said:
So i got my brand new ouya today at 9am, i quickly went home plugged it in and the first thing that happened was an error, the console wasn’t displaying on my TV, after i shut it off, it quickly started OUYA, and so did the setup, after a few minutes updating the software, the console started successfully and i stated to dig around, i didn’t give the store one glance, and started installing other apps, the first thing i wanted was Google play, failed, then a good launcher, fail even sharing something through blue-tooth, fail, it surprised me the slap this company gave Google, really it doesn’t have anything Google at all, no account, search, nothing, i was appalled, if i were Google i would be calling some people,
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Why would google care? You do realize the OUYA has NOTHING to do with google, right? It is based on Android, but so is a lot of other things that you probably don't even realize. You wanted a Google TV but you got a video game console, your fault not OUYA or Androids. This is not a google product, it is not a tablet or phone sponsored by google, and all the google parts are not there. Now if they were using google infrastructure and google didn't know about it THEN google might have something to say, like on many of the cheaper non-official tablets, but this has NOTHING to do with Google. It's BASED on android. Android and Google are not the same!
i understand the whole gaming console but come on, its 2013 and if your device doesn’t do everything but serve as a skateboard, it isnt worth your money, and for $106.00 bucks with taxes is understandable but why limit the ability to make the console your own, after all i bought it, i would like to see a good tablet interface, with the option of an ouya store not a launcher, heck even keep the same Google play and have the compatible applications run in the damn device, why are you shutting the creator from its creation, you’re only a surgeon making changes to something so wonderful, making it cripple, this is the advice of a gamer, a tech freak and a consumer.
this is for you Julie Uhrma, and your team make it right
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What part of the OUYA doesn't do everything? You can sideload many many MANY apps, you can browse the internet, you can download games, you can watch videos, play music, stream content, and more. It actually has more (even if different) features than an Xbox 360 or PS3! Do you expect your Xbox One or Playstation 3 to sign into Google and have your whole Android content on it? That's the same thing as expecting that with the OUYA.
A tablet interface would work HORRIBLY with the OUYA, so I'm not even going to touch on why you would want that.
And again, by saying that they're shutting the creator from its creation, you obviously don't understand what Android is. I'll just leave it at that.

i did not create this post so that pessimistic people would bash me, but so that optimistic people would join and build something better, really a tablet interface would suck... how so?t would be the things they mention same thing as an aosp roms only on the ouya, or did you forget about a kindle fire with and android makeover, so please dont tell me itll be stupid, or preposterous to fathom the thought of something being what has been stripped off, i even saw a rom adding some things ouya removed, so im not the only one, yes i knew it was an android console but what was hidden from us, and i say hidden because one of the the things they mentions on the site, videos, etc... is hack-ability, and once you add apps to the system it starts to freeze, it gets weird noises, the graphics are not in the resolution its supposed to be, the consoles resolution is 1920x1080 but it has the ratio of a cell phone, im not asking anyone to agree with me, if you dont like the idea dont give your opinion just look away, if you do i welcome you to join and comment:good:

From what I understand in order to have Google Play on a device, Google requires that it be the primary (possibly only) marketplace on the device. Considering that Ouya's plan to make their money off of their market, putting Play on there as the primary would pretty much kill any chance of them being a profitable (or not closed) company. That aside, very few of the apps on the Play store are ioptimized for controllers and they have , for now, no method by which t sort and find those apps. Fow now if you really want something from the play store either install it on another device and copy it over to the Ouya or download the apk from another source. Chances are someone will create a GAPPs package for the ouya eventually anyway.

I've had mine for a while and it's not too difficult to get apps you want but no where on the box do they advertise Google Apps or Google Play store, you didn't do any research on the product. If you noticed anything from the website, they have games specifically made for Ouya, Google Play doesn't support this kind of filtering, at least not to a great extent. Secondly, most apps from Google Play, will NOT work. They weren't made for the console, it lacks the google framework(big reason why you can't get google play, its not stable enough) and most apps are touch interface, not controller/keyboard input. Plus all the major uses of the ouya (emulators, video playback and streaming) can already be done without google play. The streaming is the only one thats a bit of a hassle atm due to touch interface menus.

I think Google requires licensing fees to include their apps. Hence why Custom roms require a separate install of GAPPS. This is a CLOSED system specifically so that developers HAVE to make their games work for the OUYA and not just release some tablet app with half-ass support and functionality. This is understandable and in the best interest of all parties.
As far as the console (closed-garden/keys), you can side load apps all you want. So while some apps may not have official support, you can still install and run them.
But the OUYA does NOT have GAPPS installed thus no Google Account or Google Apps as of right now. If you were looking for a Tablet Inferface, you should have picked up one of the many Android TV Sticks such as the MK808 or better. These have a straight Android tablet interface with Google Play. But they lack any manufacturer support and don't come with any controllers. If you can get a controller to work, you will be limited to 1 (in my experience). They are fun but are cheap chinese build quality. I can't speak for the OUYA but it appears they put some good effort into the OUYA and coupled with a pretty neat controller, I think the Price is really a good buy. Android TV sticks have more of a traditional android environment that you may be looking after.

Really?
JLCollier2005 said:
Why would google care? You do realize the OUYA has NOTHING to do with google, right? It is based on Android, but so is a lot of other things that you probably don't even realize. You wanted a Google TV but you got a video game console, your fault not OUYA or Androids. This is not a google product, it is not a tablet or phone sponsored by google, and all the google parts are not there. Now if they were using google infrastructure and google didn't know about it THEN google might have something to say, like on many of the cheaper non-official tablets, but this has NOTHING to do with Google. It's BASED on android. Android and Google are not the same!
What part of the OUYA doesn't do everything? You can sideload many many MANY apps, you can browse the internet, you can download games, you can watch videos, play music, stream content, and more. It actually has more (even if different) features than an Xbox 360 or PS3! Do you expect your Xbox One or Playstation 3 to sign into Google and have your whole Android content on it? That's the same thing as expecting that with the OUYA.
A tablet interface would work HORRIBLY with the OUYA, so I'm not even going to touch on why you would want that.
And again, by saying that they're shutting the creator from its creation, you obviously don't understand what Android is. I'll just leave it at that.
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Why are you defending the Ouya. It seriously doesn't do a lot. Yes you can sideload many apps but not a lot. any that need a verification with google play can't be sideloaded. Heck google play hasn't even been properly sideloaded. Honestly i'm not happy with the ouya i bought. Unless idk how, there isnt even a way to do a full reset on this thing. SU isnt even correct. it sucks.

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SU isnt even correct. it sucks.
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How is 'su' not even correct? It works exactly like it does in google's AOSP eng and user-debug builds. Its the same one that is on all the android emulator images. If you dont like it, it works perfectly fine to grant the shell user root and you can change it to any of the su apps you want. But don't confuse them. The su that is on ouya is the most googly-official su there is.

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Why are you defending the Ouya. It seriously doesn't do a lot. Yes you can sideload many apps but not a lot. any that need a verification with google play can't be sideloaded. Heck google play hasn't even been properly sideloaded. Honestly i'm not happy with the ouya i bought. Unless idk how, there isnt even a way to do a full reset on this thing. SU isnt even correct. it sucks.
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WHy am I defending OUYA? Well, I was a EARLY backer on Kickstarter, have followed it closely since then, and even with everything they have said it has gone above and beyond the expectations I had for it. It does more than I expected already, has more games on it than I expected it to have at release, and in general works better than I expected.
I knew it wasn't going to have the PLAY store, which makes sense but that's for another topic, and every single app I've sideloaded has worked so far except for the ones that have internet DRM. ANd that makes sense because I didn't buy the app for the OUYA, I bought it for my Google related products.
A better question is why are there so many bashing it? Although the number bashing the console itself (not shipping or support) are getting to be far and few (and seem to be the minority), it makes me question what did you expect? The ONLY thing they did not deliver on was how hackable it was, and even then it seems like it's just a matter of time before they plan on unlocking it even further.
Simply put I spent $170 on this thing and am very happy with my purchase. I have had it for about a month and have used it every single day. I have an Xbox 360 and a PS3 sitting next to it that have not been touched since I got my OUYA. I have a PC full of steam games that has also not been touched.
If you don't like the console, then sell it, there are plenty of people who want one.

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How is 'su' not even correct? It works exactly like it does in google's AOSP eng and user-debug builds. Its the same one that is on all the android emulator images. If you dont like it, it works perfectly fine to grant the shell user root and you can change it to any of the su apps you want. But don't confuse them. The su that is on ouya is the most googly-official su there is.
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If the su is "correct" on the ouya, then how come su has to be pushed and replaced when properly rooting it?

Because your 'properly' rooting is it not how root works on AOSP. You are thinking of superuser and superSU, which are 3rd party apps that must be installed in the play store, right? How can you even begin to think that something you must install manually from the store, and that even has premium/paid versions is the 'proper' way.
The AOSP 'su', the one that comes on Ouya, exists to grant the shell user root access. It has no concept of java, dalvik, the VM, or any apps that draw anything on the screen.

Bought and Ouya yesterday. Downloaded some crap off their crappy market. Played some games. Games were alright -- kinda glitchy. The screen was stretched beyond the bounds of my TV -- everything was cut off. Sideloaded some apps. Apps were junk -- really glitchy. XBMC kinda worked, but setting up network shares was a nightmare. Everything else sucks. This system blows. My Super Nintendo was better. Returning this garbage before I go crazy. They should be paying me to test their beta software.

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Bought and Ouya yesterday. Downloaded some crap off their crappy market. Played some games. Games were alright -- kinda glitchy.
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172 games available at launch is amazing. You're right some are crappy and some are glitchy, but some are excellent. The big plus is you get to try them before you purchase the game.
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The screen was stretched beyond the bounds of my TV -- everything was cut off.
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I am fortunate that this ailment doesn't affect me. There is a setting that in theory should fix this for those folks affected, but I've heard it may not function yet. In the 2 weeks I've had my Ouya there have been about 4 major firmware updates and with each update things improved.
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Sideloaded some apps. Apps were junk -- really glitchy. XBMC kinda worked, but setting up network shares was a nightmare.
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Sideloading apps are hit and miss. I use Plex (from the Ouya store) instead of XBMC. It was a snap to setup and works great. The Amazon store was my first sideloaded app and I used it to install Dropbox, Netflix and HuluPlus and they all work as expected. I sideloaded the Veetle app and it works great as does the Twitch app (from the Ouya store). The emulators in the store work as expected too.
I'm sure there are many apps that are junk and very glitchy, but the ones I just mentioned are not among those apps.
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Everything else sucks. This system blows. My Super Nintendo was better. Returning this garbage before I go crazy. They should be paying me to test their beta software.
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Since I don't experience the overscan problem you experience I can't agree with this statement. My Ouya runs Super Nintendo games great and much much more.
However , if this is your experience/opinion then you are right to return it.
Thanks for sharing.

The Ouya seems a nice enthusiast device, but not ready for mass consumers that just want Wii style plug and play. At the price point, you will see a lot of the Wii demographic, so probably a lot of subsequent complaints.

Ya that's right, it's not a plug and play console and even not as easy as a closed system like IOS...but if it's able to run games correctly because it's a game console, it's everything we ask from for this price! Free games and low ownership cost make the difference, but if people want a high end game console, with HD and 3D gaming go with Sony and Microsoft, they will enjoy getting your money

jpsiemer said:
Bought and Ouya yesterday. Downloaded some crap off their crappy market. Played some games. Games were alright -- kinda glitchy. The screen was stretched beyond the bounds of my TV -- everything was cut off. Sideloaded some apps. Apps were junk -- really glitchy. XBMC kinda worked, but setting up network shares was a nightmare. Everything else sucks. This system blows. My Super Nintendo was better. Returning this garbage before I go crazy. They should be paying me to test their beta software.
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You installed the wrong xbmc, they are in the beta stage with h/w accel version, you can sideload it, libstage alpha 4 xbmc.
Secondly the emulators are great, snes9x from Robert, along with his releases of nes, genesis. Mupen64 works good on most Roms but android has had problem with n64 emulation.
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You installed the wrong xbmc, they are in the beta stage with h/w accel version, you can sideload it, libstage alpha 4 xbmc.
Secondly the emulators are great, snes9x from Robert, along with his releases of nes, genesis. Mupen64 works good on most Roms but android has had problem with n64 emulation.
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I installed the right XBMC. That's the version I'm using. Like I said, it works, just glitchy, just as everything else is on this console. Console emulation isn't really an amazing feat considering the hardware on this thing. My Xbox1 did everything this did and more, and it wasn't glitchy.
Sorry, but this "console" blows. I'd rather have an Android HDMI dongle from some unknown Chinese company.

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I installed the right XBMC. That's the version I'm using. Like I said, it works, just glitchy, just as everything else is on this console. Console emulation isn't really an amazing feat considering the hardware on this thing. My Xbox1 did everything this did and more, and it wasn't glitchy.
Sorry, but this "console" blows. I'd rather have an Android HDMI dongle from some unknown Chinese company.
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Great! Pack it back up, return it, spend your money elsewhere, and get off the forums. Your opinion has been heard and noted.

Software Updates — Fire TV v51.1.6.1 & Fire TV Stick v54.1.2.1

There's a new updated rolling out right now. This is the second update this month. Amazon's software page says the update contains “minor bug fixes and performance improvement.”
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Attention @rbox

Like I said on your site, any update that is running Android 4.2.2 is a major fail. Regardless of how many features are added to the updates they will all be worthless til they upgrade the OS to 4.4+. The features they have added are not good anyway.
Just my opinion though. If I want to shop on Amazon I will go to the actual site and shop, so all of the Amazon features that pertain to shopping Amazon are 100% worthless to me. Also, not one time have I ever used voice search on the Fire TV, so all of the voice search features are also worthless to me. I honestly think th ebest feature that has ben added to an update has been the clock menu, but I rarely even use that feature. I could honestly care less about more superficial features, I just want a more compatible Fire TV and that will only be possible when Amazon upgrades the Android version to at least 4.4. I do not care how many voice search features they add or how many more fire launcher catogories they add, I just want to be able to use the same apps I was using six months ago on the Fire TV that i can no longer use because they now require Android 4.4. I love the Fire TV, but there is absolutely no excuse for why I lost compatibility with over twenty apps in the past four months. Step it up Amazon, cause I am tired of losing compatibility with apps that worked perfectly before. I had my Fire TV's setup the way I wanted with apps that I have used for years on all of my devicess, but Amazon's unwillingness to keep the Fire TV up to date has ruined that.

wth are you even complaining about? my AFTV works fine.

mine works fine
mine works fine. If kodi works. the value is great. the only reason I would replace the firetv would be for 4k. but then again I'd have to buy a 4k TV and a 4k bose lifestyle 535 which does not support 4k yet.

porkenhimer said:
Like I said on your site, any update that is running Android 4.2.2 is a major fail. Regardless of how many features are added to the updates they will all be worthless til they upgrade the OS to 4.4+. The features they have added are not good anyway. [...] I could honestly care less about more superficial features, I just want a more compatible Fire TV and that will only be possible when Amazon upgrades the Android version to at least 4.4. I do not care how many voice search features they add or how many more fire launcher catogories they add, I just want to be able to use the same apps I was using six months ago on the Fire TV that i can no longer use because they now require Android 4.4.
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Well it's fair that you might not care for new features. I don't use many of them, I don't even use voice search, but it makes sense that other people care about them and they could even be selling points.
However, I'm really curious what apps you're using that have cut off compatibility with 4.2? As of last month 4.2 was the second most used API version, at 17.5% of the market share. I have to say, if apps that used to support 4.2 no longer do, it's the developer's decision, and it seems like a bad one in my opinion. At any rate, while it'd be nice to get an update to KitKat or Lollipop, it's safer to assume that especially highly modified forks of Android such as Fire OS will take longer to update and to reach first gen hardware. I can't really fault Amazon for what I still consider to be the best Android-based streaming media device at its price point.

Android 4.2.2 being populr has nothing to do with anything. Toyota overtook Chevrolet as having the most popular car in the US, but people soon found out that Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles were death traps. Beings popular mens nothing. Also I was not complining, I was stating facts. 4.2.2 is on its last legs. Not everyone uses their Fire TV simply for Kodi, I use my Fire TV for a lot of things, so its important for the OS to stay up to date because of compatibility issues. This happens on all devices, but with the Fire TV we have no choice but to be stuck with Jellybean. If it wwere Windows, Linux, IOS etc we cold jusst update but with the Fire TV we are stuck with whatever Amazon gives us, which is fine, but they need to realize that the Fire TV needs to be up to date.

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Android 4.2.2 being populr has nothing to do with anything. Toyota overtook Chevrolet as having the most popular car in the US, but people soon found out that Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles were death traps. Beings popular mens nothing. Also I was not complining, I was stating facts. 4.2.2 is on its last legs. Not everyone uses their Fire TV simply for Kodi, I use my Fire TV for a lot of things, so its important for the OS to stay up to date because of compatibility issues. This happens on all devices, but with the Fire TV we have no choice but to be stuck with Jellybean. If it wwere Windows, Linux, IOS etc we cold jusst update but with the Fire TV we are stuck with whatever Amazon gives us, which is fine, but they need to realize that the Fire TV needs to be up to date.
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why does it need to be up to date though with the latest LP build....?
Your response to the questions asked of your first post seemed to have been answered with generalisations and vagueness. I do not see, in the context of the AFTV, that JB is on its last legs at all nor that the update, based on 4.2.2 is a major fail. It meets the needs of what Amazon wanted from its device and also meets my own needs when using Kodi, which it was not designed to do but does it for me very well.
Great news that Amazon is still pushing out updates and my AFTV continues to performs very well, since version 15 of Kodi has been released it seems even more responsive, might be just a placebo effect though...?

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why does it need to be up to date though with the latest LP build....?
Your response to the questions asked of your first post seemed to have been answered with generalisations and vagueness. I do not see, in the context of the AFTV, that JB is on its last legs at all nor that the update, based on 4.2.2 is a major fail. It meets the needs of what Amazon wanted from its device and also meets my own needs when using Kodi, which it was not designed to do but does it for me very well.
Great news that Amazon is still pushing out updates and my AFTV continues to performs very well, since version 15 of Kodi has been released it seems even more responsive, might be just a placebo effect though...?
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A device performing well has nothing to do with it. I can install Windows 95 on an old laptop and it will perform well. The Fire TV is more than just a device for running Kodi. I use the Fire TV as it was meant to be used and not just to steal free streams from Kodi. I do use Kodi, but the Fire TV does way more than run Kodi.
Also Amazon has even lost native Fire TV apps because they started requiring Android 4.4, so anyone that says compatibility issues are not an issue, knows very little. It will keep gettin worse, cause everyone is starting to require Android 4.4. For some reason in the past six or so months companies have wanted to keep their apps fresh and only running on the latest software. This is the first time I have seen so many apps require such a new version of Android. Its not Amazons fault, but they need to realize that everyone is moving to newer software and they need to as well. I think all of the companies that make android devices have finally realized that the Apple way may be the best. Apple keeps every device up to date then drops support for devices after a couple years so that people will have to get the newer version. Like when the iphone 4 came out, Apple basically took every ios device from two years before and dropped support for all of them forcing people to buy the new one. It seems like thats where Android is headed in terms of software updates. Google has already basically ordered companies to stop putting SD Card slots and removable batteries on phones, so its clear they are trying to make Android devices be more like the iphone, so why not also copy the way Apple updates their devices as well. The Fire TV does need to be upgraded to Android 4.4+, cause it cannot be used to it full potential running Jellybean. Sure it can run a lot of apps, but as time goes by less and less apps will be compatible.
Its crazy that Apple has one device that outsells over 200 Android devices by itself, but its little things like software updates that tell me exactly why the iphone has a lock on the industry. Android is barely the market share leader, but the chart is extremely laughable, cause ios has three devices on the chart and every Android device combined isn't even outselling three Apple devices by a whole percentage point. Updates were the worst part of windows mobile devices and I believe that having no kind of structured upgrade system for Android devices, is one of the major drawbacks of Android devices, cause its like having windows mobile all over again. Just browse through XDA and you will see thousands of threads where people are compaining that their device came out a month before but the newer device got the upgrade first and so on. Androids major flaw is no structured upgrade system. But like I said above, I believe that is where Google will take Android and have some kind of upgrade system like Apple does with their devices.
That the good thing about Apple, if you have newer Apple devics all of them will get the same major update at the same time. Android needs to catch up.

quote " I use the Fire TV as it was meant to be used"
lol! listen to yourself, you clearly do NOT. Why do you keep contradicting yourself?
Now cut the bs and answer the question, what twenty apps have you lost compability with?
You my friend is what is called a freaking uber troll.
The only thing I see this streaming box (yes its meant for steaming and casual gaming, NOT running productivity apps) could gain from lollipop is clearly 24p and the autoswitch of refresh rate to match the video.

REMIX OS for shield TV?

I just found the shield TV was an officially supported device by Remix os.
there is the ROM http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/shieldtv
it seems it is lollipop based and have no hardware acceleration yet.
did someone tried it and is willing to give a feedback?

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it is OK,i t was entertaining still

what type to use ,16G? 500G HDD?

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what type to use ,16G? 500G HDD?
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same image for both.but 500gb shield will be a lots slower to install.
(formating)

This remix os version is for the Shield Pro, it's lollipop based so if anyone's on marshmallow and want to try it, you will have to downgrade in order to install

It would be amazing if we could dual boot this ROM (on Lollipop) and the stock Android TV on Marshmallow.maybe with AROMA and
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It would be amazing if we could dual boot this ROM (on Lollipop) and the stock Android TV on Marshmallow.maybe with AROMA and
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so true,to bad twrp does not support multiple rom on this device.
that suck.
in the other hand jide just leaked some info about remix 3.0 marshmallow.
that will be released very soon.

Remix is still a little glitchy & controller does not work wirelessly. Every other time Play Store is opened one must uninstall Play update, can be solved by installing the latest Play Store apk

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Remix is still a little glitchy & controller does not work wirelessly. Every other time Play Store is opened one must uninstall Play update, can be solved by installing the latest Play Store apk
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Ho OK thx. Yes the controller and play store was expected.it is not the first that have this problem (Zulu roms)

Nvidia need to release the driver,they will make less holding back the controller wifi driver,as all it seems is a vain attempt to promote geforce now sales and percentage earnings via play store etc on shield tv.The chances are the units would fly off the shelves far faster than they ever would make more selling the games in a cloud subscription gaming service by miles,I'd see it as it would gain us notoriety for the hardware if I were a boss there,and that's everything brand recognition trumps trying to sell subscriptions to a sparse game library,and android tv os is just so young and uninteresting to some developers I am picturing it,this is why they are not rebuilding or porting current libraries of apps and games to the os.They probably see it more rewarding to keep with the standard os than plug money into an unknown variable,unless of course the fault lies with googles turn around on verifying the allready ported apps and games,this confuses me why is android tv os so sparse on apps and games and where does the blame lie in versions of apps and games for the android tv os lie anyway google and or the developer can someone elaborate where the blame goes please as I am confused what the problem is?

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Nvidia need to release the driver,they will make less holding back the controller wifi driver,as all it seems is a vain attempt to promote geforce now sales and percentage earnings via play store etc on shield tv.The chances are the units would fly off the shelves far faster than they ever would make more selling the games in a cloud subscription gaming service by miles,I'd see it as it would gain us notoriety for the hardware if I were a boss there,and that's everything brand recognition trumps trying to sell subscriptions to a sparse game library,and android tv os is just so young and uninteresting to some developers I am picturing it,this is why they are not rebuilding or porting current libraries of apps and games to the os.They probably see it more rewarding to keep with the standard os than plug money into an unknown variable,unless of course the fault lies with googles turn around on verifying the allready ported apps and games,this confuses me why is android tv os so sparse on apps and games and where does the blame lie in versions of apps and games for the android tv os lie anyway google and or the developer can someone elaborate where the blame goes please as I am confused what the problem is?
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I assume for the play store the problem is from Google..
they offer different licencing for basically the same thing as Android..
but they have split Android and Android TV only because they wanted to earn more money.
splitting the licencing mean 2 time the money for them...
protecting a different experiences for living rooms.
for streaming stuff and controller you can blame nvidia for promoting their proprietary services and technology.
the cloud,the streaming and their "high "bandwidth "controllers.

Ah now I get it it's due to greed,make money by calling the same thing a different thing by slapping a launcher in it and saying yeah you can list your game in android tv os as well,but you know it's a different thing to normal android os because it's tv os! But actually it's android with a different shell they charge you again for just to list in the same play store for it,that's what people where i live call pure skank lol :good: thumbs up goolge no wonder everyone isn't jumping on the development side of this cash cow all at once lmfao,why the heck would you discourage before encourage if the aim is profit here???But thanks for this insight I never realized they'd do such a thing,it's theoretically a bit unbecoming of a open source os owner to start cashing in twice a time in my opinion it's a little bit cruel,maybe if they'd say earn your 1st year before paying a fee that would be better for anyone coming in as a first time publisher of apps or games,instead of being told give me your money then I'll list your game or app,who cares if it's not affordable because all your time and effort is spent making the app or game come to fruition for the purpose of then publishing it.Or even better incentives is 1 years free publishing and then a fee is paid regardless if you take it down or not,it gives a push to put good stuff up and not lowsy stuff otherwise you make nothing to pay with in the first year,why not work it door swings both ways like that,or a 2 year grace period is even better,it would mean better quality product is likely made,and money for the developer to afford to pay is highly likely at that stage.

I almost made a new topic for this, but decided to revive this one instead. Jide just released v3 of Remix OS for the Google Pixel C...... which has the same CPU/GPU as the Shield TV does, so theoretically this should make it a hell of a lot easier to get it working on the Shield.
I've been using it on my Pixel for about the past 48 hours and I absolutely love it. I'm trying to re-arrange my PCs in my apartment and I'm looking for a high performance, low power PC to put in my bedroom as a replacement for my Steam Machine (currently streaming stuff from it to the Shield in the living room), and the Shield with Remix would be the perfect candidate since I already know it suits my needs and is really snappy.
The question is, who's up to the challenge to get it to work? I know nothing about Android development, but I'm more than willing to help with development and provide anything necessary off of the Pixel, which shouldn't be a problem since I have Remix OS currently rooted

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The question is, who's up to the challenge to get it to work? I know nothing about Android development, but I'm more than willing to help with development and provide anything necessary off of the Pixel, which shouldn't be a problem since I have Remix OS currently rooted
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I guess they will release a V3 to Shield TV soon, so I dont think thats neccessary.
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I assume for the play store the problem is from Google..
they offer different licencing for basically the same thing as Android..
but they have split Android and Android TV only because they wanted to earn more money.
splitting the licencing mean 2 time the money for them...
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I dont understand? All my apps that I bought originally for standard Android devices work fine without having to rerpurchase. This even goes for apps I bought a few years back. I dont see Google splittimg licencing between devices, rather the opposite. And thats why Im perfectly happy with my Shield TV. If you look at Apple, they did what you talk about, releasing phone / tablet and I guess ATV versions of apps making customers have to repurchase.

Remix os uses a different license than android

They still have to release the source code, the kernel is Linux and the OS is Android, both are open source and licensed under the GPL so by law they have to release the source code of at least that, which is the major part we need. Also Nvidias drivers and source code are released so what are we really missing? I just read the article on XDA and its talking about Android-X86, but this is Android ARM, which is a different beast. Jide mentioned that they hosted their code on github, but surprise, surprise its empty https://github.com/jide-opensource. This seems to be their real repository: https://github.com/JideTechnology
Also I wouldn't be too sure of them releasing it for the shield since they already sell their own desktop/media center device.
Edit: looks like I was wrong Android is licensed under the Apache license, which means that a company can take the source code, modify it and change the license but the still have to release the code for the unmodified parts
Still me thinks it shouldn't be too difficult since they're using the same CPU and GPU, but the pixel is essentially a Chromebook and the shield has no screen or touch input, just an HDMI port, so it may be way more difficult than I think.

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I guess they will release a V3 to Shield TV soon, so I dont think thats neccessary.
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I dont understand? All my apps that I bought originally for standard Android devices work fine without having to rerpurchase. This even goes for apps I bought a few years back. I dont see Google splittimg licencing between devices, rather the opposite. And thats why Im perfectly happy with my Shield TV. If you look at Apple, they did what you talk about, releasing phone / tablet and I guess ATV versions of apps making customers have to repurchase.
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The licensing is on dev side.not on customer side.

this would be amazing

Cheap Android Box Advice

Hello,
I want to experiment with Android as a desktop computer doubling as a streaming device. I understand there are many ways to go about this, but I think the most interesting (and cheapest) way to accomplish this would be to repurpose one of the many unofficial Android TV boxes found on ebay and Amazon. My reasoning for this is that they can generally be flashed with a different ROM quite easily. This is important because I don't trust them out of the box, and want to know they are running a clean ROM. They also use regular Android as opposed to Android TV. In a surprising twist, I actually want regular Android for this project, not Android TV.
I am aware that some apps won't work and that I probably won't have access to the Play Store. I'm ok with this because I use a degoogled Android phone and know how to get by without it. I also understand that there are other solutions. I'm not opposed to considering alternatives, but this project is really just for the fun and potential challenge.
Here are my problems:
Many of these cheap boxes lie about their specs, i.e. they claim to have 4gb of RAM when they only have 2gb of RAM.
All of the Android streaming devices consistently recommended run Android TV. I want to use the regular Android found on a phone or tablet, as close to AOSP as possible.
I have found only one ROM provider for these Android boxes that isn't based on Android TV. SlimboxTV is exactly what I want, but it's not open source and I have some concerns over the fact that it's developed in Russia.
So here are my questions:
Can you recommend me a decent cheap Android box? I would prefer 4gb of RAM but understand that may not exist. 1080p is fine if 4k isn't an option. I don't really care about other specs.
Are there any other ROMs out there that are based on regular Android and not Android TV? If not, is SlimboxTV safe to use? I have found surprisingly little information about this considering it has a presence on XDA.
If this isn't the right place to ask this question, can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks for your help!