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Hello, today I decided to write a post about why SONY products are one of the best on the market, I decided to write this because of Xperia Z1 which I think is the best mobile phone ever created by SONY.
I am SONY fan, I had almost all Sony Ericsson phones, I had all W,C,K series and I must say that as time goes SONY introduces more and more amazing products, do you remember Cyber-Shot series which had awesome camera quality for that time, even better then some android phones provide today. Also I can say the same about WALKMAN series that were just amazing, all phones had awesome sound quality as in earphones as in loudspeaker the sound was crisp and loud, I remember my old W980 which was the only phone with FM Radio transmitter and that was great.
My first Xperia was X10 and I was very happy about it, although it was a bit slow at times but still it was and is a great phone that started the revolution in Xperia series, SONY started putting more powerful CPU's, GPU's and other performance parts, and phones became really very good and beautiful at the same time. SONY started upgrading their phones, just making the previous phones better, after X10 I got Xperia Arc which also was a piece of artwork, it had awesome screen, design, performance and also great camera, of course it had some drawbacks like many owners experienced cracks on the housing and such small defects but all in all it was just an attempt to give us something new, same thing with my next phone Xperia S that was amazingly beautiful, fast and unique. SONY always loved to have something that other brands did not have.
In my opinion other brand like SAMSUNG, APPLE, NOKIA and etc are not bad but SONY has unique understanding of what people want the phone to look like. For example I don't like how SAMSUNG phones look they are just all the same, they become only bigger and wider nothing more, same thing with APPLE they just stretched the phone and painted it. This is what makes SONY the only one for me, after Xperia S that I upgraded to Xperia Z that was something unusual, something that was not similar to other phones, this phone is just SEXY, nothing more and nothing less. It has luxury design, cool features, awesome camera and that new "Water Resistance" which is great feature and I'll say why.
It's not really about water resistance, the thing is that most of the phones suffer from collecting dust which is annoying and harmful to the phone in some way. For example all previous SONY phones I had were having that problem, I had to clean the phone almost everyday so that dust didn't get under the battery cover into the weak spots, the dust was collecting also in the camera hole and it was annoying because camera lens became dirty and you had to clean it first and then make a shot, same for the USB port, speaker and other small holes. So this water resistance adds extra protection against dust and you don't have to clean out dust every time, it just doesn't get into your phone, as for water resistance feature itself it's also very handy, because there are some situations when you need to answer call or just take a picture under the rain.
But SONY didn't stop on that and brought us Z1 that became "etalon". Z1 unites all SONY features that you would like to see in a mobile phone, and that's why I bought it. What else do you need from a smartphone? It's has fastest CPU on the board, you can play any high-end game, you can take stunningly sharp photos, you have huge battery and beautiful screen. aluminium body gives you extra protection and glass gives your phone luxury, exclusive looks. SONY produces phone that will suite anybody, for example you don't like 5 inch screen? Okay SONY made that phone smaller so everybody was satisfied. You can't say the same thing about other brands, they simply don't think about people.
So all I wanted to say is that we must be proud of SONY products and I was so amazed with my Z1 that I decided to share my overall experience and opinions. Looking forward to your opinions as well guys.
So, for how long have you worked for Sony?
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what a troll post, mods please delete
I also like Sony phones. I always had Sony phones and they served me the best. After some time, I got the X10, then XS, now Z1. I can say that I'm holding the best phone right now.
Cheers.
Well I have not worked for SONY, I wish I had, yea you may delete post if you wish and there is no trolling, I just wrote how it actually is
MADNJPN said:
Hello, today I decided to write a post about why SONY products are one of the best on the market, I decided to write this because of Xperia Z1 which I think is the best mobile phone ever created by SONY.
I am SONY fan, I had almost all Sony Ericsson phones, I had all W,C,K series and I must say that as time goes SONY introduces more and more amazing products, do you remember Cyber-Shot series which had awesome camera quality for that time, even better then some android phones provide today. Also I can say the same about WALKMAN series that were just amazing, all phones had awesome sound quality as in earphones as in loudspeaker the sound was crisp and loud, I remember my old W980 which was the only phone with FM Radio transmitter and that was great.
My first Xperia was X10 and I was very happy about it, although it was a bit slow at times but still it was and is a great phone that started the revolution in Xperia series, SONY started putting more powerful CPU's, GPU's and other performance parts, and phones became really very good and beautiful at the same time. SONY started upgrading their phones, just making the previous phones better, after X10 I got Xperia Arc which also was a piece of artwork, it had awesome screen, design, performance and also great camera, of course it had some drawbacks like many owners experienced cracks on the housing and such small defects but all in all it was just an attempt to give us something new, same thing with my next phone Xperia S that was amazingly beautiful, fast and unique. SONY always loved to have something that other brands did not have.
In my opinion other brand like SAMSUNG, APPLE, NOKIA and etc are not bad but SONY has unique understanding of what people want the phone to look like. For example I don't like how SAMSUNG phones look they are just all the same, they become only bigger and wider nothing more, same thing with APPLE they just stretched the phone and painted it. This is what makes SONY the only one for me, after Xperia S that I upgraded to Xperia Z that was something unusual, something that was not similar to other phones, this phone is just SEXY, nothing more and nothing less. It has luxury design, cool features, awesome camera and that new "Water Resistance" which is great feature and I'll say why.
It's not really about water resistance, the thing is that most of the phones suffer from collecting dust which is annoying and harmful to the phone in some way. For example all previous SONY phones I had were having that problem, I had to clean the phone almost everyday so that dust didn't get under the battery cover into the weak spots, the dust was collecting also in the camera hole and it was annoying because camera lens became dirty and you had to clean it first and then make a shot, same for the USB port, speaker and other small holes. So this water resistance adds extra protection against dust and you don't have to clean out dust every time, it just doesn't get into your phone, as for water resistance feature itself it's also very handy, because there are some situations when you need to answer call or just take a picture under the rain.
But SONY didn't stop on that and brought us Z1 that became "etalon". Z1 unites all SONY features that you would like to see in a mobile phone, and that's why I bought it. What else do you need from a smartphone? It's has fastest CPU on the board, you can play any high-end game, you can take stunningly sharp photos, you have huge battery and beautiful screen. aluminium body gives you extra protection and glass gives your phone luxury, exclusive looks. SONY produces phone that will suite anybody, for example you don't like 5 inch screen? Okay SONY made that phone smaller so everybody was satisfied. You can't say the same thing about other brands, they simply don't think about people.
So all I wanted to say is that we must be proud of SONY products and I was so amazed with my Z1 that I decided to share my overall experience and opinions. Looking forward to your opinions as well guys.
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Dude, you've written beautifully. I use Sony (Ericsson) phones, and K-series. (K700i, K750i, K800i, K850i), after (Satio, Xperia Arc, Xperia Z), and now of course Xperia Z1. SONY IS THE BEST!!!! XPERIA Z1 IS THE BEST!!!!!!
Thank you : )
You missed out a tiny detail, up untill 3 years ago Nokia were ahead of aony, all Nokia high end phones had fm transmitters great speakers and cameras, but I agree, thats why I have z1 now and not a lumia
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Yes, I agree but W980 were produced in 2008, you also missed a tiny detail
Back when Iphone did not exit I was happy with my Sony Ericsson P990. A beautiful touchscreen device with pen. Back then It was very stylish.
MADNJPN said:
Hello, today I decided to write a post about why SONY products are one of the best on the market, I decided to write this because of Xperia Z1 which I think is the best mobile phone ever created by SONY.
I am SONY fan, I had almost all Sony Ericsson phones, I had all W,C,K series and I must say that as time goes SONY introduces more and more amazing products, do you remember Cyber-Shot series which had awesome camera quality for that time, even better then some android phones provide today. Also I can say the same about WALKMAN series that were just amazing, all phones had awesome sound quality as in earphones as in loudspeaker the sound was crisp and loud, I remember my old W980 which was the only phone with FM Radio transmitter and that was great.
My first Xperia was X10 and I was very happy about it, although it was a bit slow at times but still it was and is a great phone that started the revolution in Xperia series, SONY started putting more powerful CPU's, GPU's and other performance parts, and phones became really very good and beautiful at the same time. SONY started upgrading their phones, just making the previous phones better, after X10 I got Xperia Arc which also was a piece of artwork, it had awesome screen, design, performance and also great camera, of course it had some drawbacks like many owners experienced cracks on the housing and such small defects but all in all it was just an attempt to give us something new, same thing with my next phone Xperia S that was amazingly beautiful, fast and unique. SONY always loved to have something that other brands did not have.
In my opinion other brand like SAMSUNG, APPLE, NOKIA and etc are not bad but SONY has unique understanding of what people want the phone to look like. For example I don't like how SAMSUNG phones look they are just all the same, they become only bigger and wider nothing more, same thing with APPLE they just stretched the phone and painted it. This is what makes SONY the only one for me, after Xperia S that I upgraded to Xperia Z that was something unusual, something that was not similar to other phones, this phone is just SEXY, nothing more and nothing less. It has luxury design, cool features, awesome camera and that new "Water Resistance" which is great feature and I'll say why.
It's not really about water resistance, the thing is that most of the phones suffer from collecting dust which is annoying and harmful to the phone in some way. For example all previous SONY phones I had were having that problem, I had to clean the phone almost everyday so that dust didn't get under the battery cover into the weak spots, the dust was collecting also in the camera hole and it was annoying because camera lens became dirty and you had to clean it first and then make a shot, same for the USB port, speaker and other small holes. So this water resistance adds extra protection against dust and you don't have to clean out dust every time, it just doesn't get into your phone, as for water resistance feature itself it's also very handy, because there are some situations when you need to answer call or just take a picture under the rain.
But SONY didn't stop on that and brought us Z1 that became "etalon". Z1 unites all SONY features that you would like to see in a mobile phone, and that's why I bought it. What else do you need from a smartphone? It's has fastest CPU on the board, you can play any high-end game, you can take stunningly sharp photos, you have huge battery and beautiful screen. aluminium body gives you extra protection and glass gives your phone luxury, exclusive looks. SONY produces phone that will suite anybody, for example you don't like 5 inch screen? Okay SONY made that phone smaller so everybody was satisfied. You can't say the same thing about other brands, they simply don't think about people.
So all I wanted to say is that we must be proud of SONY products and I was so amazed with my Z1 that I decided to share my overall experience and opinions. Looking forward to your opinions as well guys.
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I too have used a few sony phones too. I had a walkman phone and the sony P1i. I find your post biased. Sony makes good products, my p1i looked FUTURISTIC at its time and my walkman phone was built solid like a brick, but Apple too makes great products and on top of that they have customer service better than even Sony. I can tell you this because my phone before was an iPhone 4 and I had to return it after 2 weeks when i noticed the Camera had a huge blob of green hue. I just walked into apple store, explained to them what was wrong and they gave me a new iPhone no questions asked. On the other hand, my first Z1 had the yellow hue and i bought it back to the store and the customer service of both the salesman and manager seemed like they didn't wan't replace my device. It was a good thing their display model didn't have the yellow hue and after some arguing they were willing to replace my yellow hue Z1. Don't get me wrong, I love my Z1. I do believe Sony makes great products but you don't really need to bash on other companies. Apple too makes great products and they really do care about their customers too. A company shouldn't just be selling a product, they should be selling their support and service for the products they sell.
I know the Sony make good stuff but with few last devices which I paid a lot of money I am disappointed. Now i don't know what to think.
eclyptos said:
I know the Sony make good stuff but with few last devices which I paid a lot of money I am disappointed. Now i don't know what to think.
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I agree , i used to use only sony devices before , but after the ARC everything went to hell ,and i mean everything then i switched for HTC even today i can't find anything that good in sony as it was with cyber shoot series.
Comparing to my current htc one i still don't see the point chaning it for Z1 and trust me i was thinking to do it but when you put both phones side by side there's really no need. I'll make short list and probably get called a troll but IDK really , it's just the facts.
1. Camera from XZ / Z1 is quiet dissapointing , to make it even worse HTC One beats it .. here the link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663
2. Software updates are quiet slow and software is kind of messy , each update breaks stuff when it brings new stuff by what i've seen , camera software is the most unoptimisied software i've seen , i've got pissed off that HTC One takes better photos overall with far worse sensor. And isn't sonys software the most stock alike vs others and yet they manage to be the last with the updates.
3. Speakers are utter **** compared to HTC One.
4. Screen is utter **** compared to HTC One.
5. sound recording is crap vs htc one as well.
5. The phone is huge , i mean compared to note 3 it's almost the same but screen difference is huge or even worse compared to g2 which has larger screen but smaller phone wtf.. The bazels are too large as well.
6. Software on HTC One for me deffinetely wins it with sense 5.5 , it's just much more advanced and useful. ( don't get me wrong i love sony's software but it isn't match for sense 5.5 )
7. Freaking battery , when i heard about z1 and saw official specs i was super happy about 3000 mAh battery but when i tested phone with my cousins vs HTC One htc one at the end had 25% left while z1 was dead with the same exac usage !
8. HEAT , this part annoys me the most , without gaming on wifi heavy usage we've reached 47c WHAT THE **** , HTC One was at 37.....
9. Gaming , there's really no much difference z1/htc one in this regard except z1 starts / loads games faster but it can't match gaming time with htc one , z1 ended up with 2:20 while htc one was pushing 3:30 with 15% left ...
10. Software development is just SAD on sony devices vs HTC .. i mean HTC One has more on verizon development then z1 / xz / zl combined , imagine how much international HTC One has ...
These little things are pretty much why i skipped XZ / Z1 and i'm hopping for z2 or whatever next phone gonna be to have everything better then htc so i can get back.
@ the OP , please explain to me why z1 which is 6/7 months newer then HTC One lacks all these listed things ?
Yea you guys are correct, I just wrote my opinion aswell so, I agree about support service it totaly ***S
Shan89 said:
I agree , i used to use only sony devices before , but after the ARC everything went to hell ,and i mean everything then i switched for HTC even today i can't find anything that good in sony as it was with cyber shoot series.
Comparing to my current htc one i still don't see the point chaning it for Z1 and trust me i was thinking to do it but when you put both phones side by side there's really no need. I'll make short list and probably get called a troll but IDK really , it's just the facts.
1. Camera from XZ / Z1 is quiet dissapointing , to make it even worse HTC One beats it .. here the link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663
2. Software updates are quiet slow and software is kind of messy , each update breaks stuff when it brings new stuff by what i've seen , camera software is the most unoptimisied software i've seen , i've got pissed off that HTC One takes better photos overall with far worse sensor. And isn't sonys software the most stock alike vs others and yet they manage to be the last with the updates.
3. Speakers are utter **** compared to HTC One.
4. Screen is utter **** compared to HTC One.
5. sound recording is crap vs htc one as well.
5. The phone is huge , i mean compared to note 3 it's almost the same but screen difference is huge or even worse compared to g2 which has larger screen but smaller phone wtf.. The bazels are too large as well.
6. Software on HTC One for me deffinetely wins it with sense 5.5 , it's just much more advanced and useful. ( don't get me wrong i love sony's software but it isn't match for sense 5.5 )
7. Freaking battery , when i heard about z1 and saw official specs i was super happy about 3000 mAh battery but when i tested phone with my cousins vs HTC One htc one at the end had 25% left while z1 was dead with the same exac usage !
8. HEAT , this part annoys me the most , without gaming on wifi heavy usage we've reached 47c WHAT THE **** , HTC One was at 37.....
9. Gaming , there's really no much difference z1/htc one in this regard except z1 starts / loads games faster but it can't match gaming time with htc one , z1 ended up with 2:20 while htc one was pushing 3:30 with 15% left ...
10. Software development is just SAD on sony devices vs HTC .. i mean HTC One has more on verizon development then z1 / xz / zl combined , imagine how much international HTC One has ...
These little things are pretty much why i skipped XZ / Z1 and i'm hopping for z2 or whatever next phone gonna be to have everything better then htc so i can get back.
@ the OP , please explain to me why z1 which is 6/7 months newer then HTC One lacks all these listed things ?
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So your saying all the reviewers that are saying Xperia Z1 is the 2nd best camera in a smartphone are all lying? got it...
not only Z1 has a better camera, but also Z1 has a better battery, better screen color reproduction (head on), better phone call quality, better chipset snapdragon 800, better Launcher (IMO)..
After the 4.3 updates, no more heating, I know coz I play Asphalt 8 almost 1-2 hours a day, battery has improved almost 30%
HTC one has of course better speakers, it has the best speakers in a smart phone, but I listen to music and videos using earphones so doesn't really matter to me...
Shan89 said:
I agree , i used to use only sony devices before , but after the ARC everything went to hell ,and i mean everything then i switched for HTC even today i can't find anything that good in sony as it was with cyber shoot series.
Comparing to my current htc one i still don't see the point chaning it for Z1 and trust me i was thinking to do it but when you put both phones side by side there's really no need. I'll make short list and probably get called a troll but IDK really , it's just the facts.
1. Camera from XZ / Z1 is quiet dissapointing , to make it even worse HTC One beats it .. here the link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542663
2. Software updates are quiet slow and software is kind of messy , each update breaks stuff when it brings new stuff by what i've seen , camera software is the most unoptimisied software i've seen , i've got pissed off that HTC One takes better photos overall with far worse sensor. And isn't sonys software the most stock alike vs others and yet they manage to be the last with the updates.
3. Speakers are utter **** compared to HTC One.
4. Screen is utter **** compared to HTC One.
5. sound recording is crap vs htc one as well.
5. The phone is huge , i mean compared to note 3 it's almost the same but screen difference is huge or even worse compared to g2 which has larger screen but smaller phone wtf.. The bazels are too large as well.
6. Software on HTC One for me deffinetely wins it with sense 5.5 , it's just much more advanced and useful. ( don't get me wrong i love sony's software but it isn't match for sense 5.5 )
7. Freaking battery , when i heard about z1 and saw official specs i was super happy about 3000 mAh battery but when i tested phone with my cousins vs HTC One htc one at the end had 25% left while z1 was dead with the same exac usage !
8. HEAT , this part annoys me the most , without gaming on wifi heavy usage we've reached 47c WHAT THE **** , HTC One was at 37.....
9. Gaming , there's really no much difference z1/htc one in this regard except z1 starts / loads games faster but it can't match gaming time with htc one , z1 ended up with 2:20 while htc one was pushing 3:30 with 15% left ...
10. Software development is just SAD on sony devices vs HTC .. i mean HTC One has more on verizon development then z1 / xz / zl combined , imagine how much international HTC One has ...
These little things are pretty much why i skipped XZ / Z1 and i'm hopping for z2 or whatever next phone gonna be to have everything better then htc so i can get back.
@ the OP , please explain to me why z1 which is 6/7 months newer then HTC One lacks all these listed things ?
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For the past Sony phones especially my Z1 w/ touch screen issue, I think sony still got it but needs to focus better on their QA, I really loved the Z1 and now I'm disappointed with my issue. I was just thinking of switching brands but nothing beats the UI of Sony, HTC is a good choice but with its sales crumbling down and lack of software support maybe it's a no no for me.. I don't intend to start a flame war but this is just an opinion :good:
overall my only choice will be Sony or HTC
Morlock O said:
So your saying all the reviewers that are saying Xperia Z1 is the 2nd best camera in a smartphone are all lying? got it...
not only Z1 has a better camera, but also Z1 has a better battery, better screen color reproduction (head on), better phone call quality, better chipset snapdragon 800, better Launcher (IMO)..
After the 4.3 updates, no more heating, I know coz I play Asphalt 8 almost 1-2 hours a day, battery has improved almost 30%
HTC one has of course better speakers, it has the best speakers in a smart phone, but I listen to music and videos using earphones so doesn't really matter to me...
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I don't really care what reviews say , i've seen with my own eyes and you can if you take a look at the link i've posted. Phone quality is deffinetely not better especially the sound of it simply due fact HTC Uses stereo , it's pure logic lol , the chipset yeah it is better the launcher i would say personal preference, it's pointless to discuss the launcher.
As for screen you're quiet delusional lol , 1st htc one has much much better whites around 20-30% better whites, blacks are even much much more better , the viewing angles are literally absolute , you can view it flat on while z1 is completlly useless with angles , as for the other colors it could be true but the colors of * es file explorer / viber / google + * and some other apps are washed out lastly daylight visibilty is miles better on HTC One , idk how can you even say z1 screen is better lol , you clearly never seen HTC one's screen.
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For the past Sony phones especially my Z1 w/ touch screen issue, I think sony still got it but needs to focus better on their QA, I really loved the Z1 and now I'm disappointed with my issue. I was just thinking of switching brands but nothing beats the UI of Sony, HTC is a good choice but with its sales crumbling down and lack of software support maybe it's a no no for me.. I don't intend to start a flame war but this is just an opinion :good:
overall my only choice will be Sony or HTC
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The bad sales are actually with low end/ mid range not the flagship , the flagship is doing much better then last year what was with HoX. I'm not sure what do you mean with software support , after the nexus HTC One was the 1st to have 4.3 ( both sense and GPE ) , after the nexus 5 htc one was the 1st to have 4.4 kitkat both sense and GPE , the software is flawless and there's not even one single issue nor stutter as that matter.
Anyway you're not starting an war mate we all have our opinions , clearly some other guys here are quiet biased and not willing to accept the facts infront of their eyes.
Maybe I didn't understand but all SE had radio, last one I remember that didn't had radio was t68i but after that they all had one
As long as I remember W, K, J, C, G series had it (of course I didn't test them all)
c312eal said:
I too have used a few sony phones too. I had a walkman phone and the sony P1i. I find your post biased. Sony makes good products, my p1i looked FUTURISTIC at its time and my walkman phone was built solid like a brick, but Apple too makes great products and on top of that they have customer service better than even Sony. I can tell you this because my phone before was an iPhone 4 and I had to return it after 2 weeks when i noticed the Camera had a huge blob of green hue. I just walked into apple store, explained to them what was wrong and they gave me a new iPhone no questions asked. On the other hand, my first Z1 had the yellow hue and i bought it back to the store and the customer service of both the salesman and manager seemed like they didn't wan't replace my device. It was a good thing their display model didn't have the yellow hue and after some arguing they were willing to replace my yellow hue Z1. Don't get me wrong, I love my Z1. I do believe Sony makes great products but you don't really need to bash on other companies. Apple too makes great products and they really do care about their customers too. A company shouldn't just be selling a product, they should be selling their support and service for the products they sell.
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Of course Apple gives you a free replacement. Because when you bought the iPhone, you already paid for two of them. That's the reason why they are so expensive.
*sarcasm off
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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It seems as if there will also be a z4c.
You might want to wait for that, but if you fancy a good camera Sony phones wouldn't be something for you.
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Dsteppa said:
It seems as if there will also be a z4c.
You might want to wait for that, but if you fancy a good camera Sony phones wouldn't be something for you.
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Generally speaking I'm not quite sure how much the price of the z3c will fall with the introduction of the z4c.
However I'm curious about the overall performance of the phone: Do you think it is worth the buy?
And what is more, I've seen there is quite a struggle with the bootloader and with developers, but with official CM nightlies this should be fine, right?
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Generally speaking I'm not quite sure how much the price of the z3c will fall with the introduction of the z4c.
However I'm curious about the overall performance of the phone: Do you think it is worth the buy?
And what is more, I've seen there is quite a struggle with the bootloader and with developers, but with official CM nightlies this should be fine, right?
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The price won't fall THAT much, but the recent price drop could be because of that.
The phone is still worth to buy for sure as for bootloader problems, they should be history now.
There is no real evidence of a z4 compact being released anytime soon. For now, pretend like it doesn't exist and get whatever phone you want. Besides, the rumors indicate the phone will only be a marginal upgrade: newer processor and increased screen resolution.
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phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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This is just my opinion and I don't intend to talk trash about Sony phones but I'm gonna just tell you like it is.
Just so you know, I'm in IT field (Windows) and I have a comprehensive knowledge about PC hardware tech. Since I switched to android from iPhone about 2.5 years ago, I had bought quite a few phones that included 3 Sony phones.
- ZR with overheat problem even only on browsing the internet with Chrome and very poor quality display (made with TFT) => RETURNED with 15% restocking fee.
- ZL Same poor quality TFT display => I ended up gave it to my sis.
- Z3C made with IPS but with poor touch panel. Annoying touch pattern grids are visible. IPS display quality of the Z3C is well below average even compared to the iPhone 4's. Camera is mediocre at best but all the hype makes me really look down on Sony - the only company who created TA partition just to put their crappy softwares on it and tied the bootloader with it. Not that I give a rat ass about losing its DRM functions, it's just that errors pop up here and there when I unlock the bootloader.
My other 2 Android phones are the Nexus 5 and LG Optimus E970. These 2 phones' displays are superb. I wish the Z3C has the same display quality as those 2. I love its size and battery performance but Sony mobile display sucks big time. Don't get me started on Sony bloatwares (2 ecosystems on 1 device is a joke).
I have many Sony devices in my home (laptop, bluray player, tv...) but when it comes to Sony phones, I'm sure next time I'll pass.
I bought my Z3C for $520 USD. It's still 99.99% new. I would sell it to you for $300 USD if you live in my area (I wouldn't buy it even for $300 though)
Some of the cheaper Z3C listings in the US are for the D5833 overseas model. Be careful with this version, as it will suffer from limited 4G compatibility in the States.
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Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
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I have a D5803 running stock 5.0.2 and I'm very happy with the device.
It's compact, fast and battery lasts for 2 days minimum (if you don't play games).
The user interface is simple, fast and close to AOSP look&feel .
I saw no reason to hack the phone with custom ROMs or mods, since I found it to be VERY stable and basically everything works.
If you plan to heavily customize your phone, be ready to face some obstacles mainly due to the fact that Lolipop is quite new on this phone and mods are not yet perfect (although they are improving). I've gone that route before with previous phones, and usually the outcome is that you get some visual adaptations to your taste, but in fact the overall stability/performance will be worst.
Some may argue that the camera software could be better, and I tend to agree. But you will be able to take good pictures, if you use some manual settings.
In my experience, Bluetooth/NFC works very well with different gadgets/systems: hi-fi, Pebble watch, BT headphones (even using aptX), car system, ...
I haven't tested audio high-res external DACs, but some users report some devices are tricky to interface well using Lolipop. Other report their device works. Basic audio play is quite good if you have good headphones and choose the right eq settings.
Some users report the glass may crack due to overheating, and I saw many friends with other phones (like Samsung) suffering from the same issue. Mine is in perfect condition and I hope it stays that way.
In summary: I'm very happy with my gadget and I wouldn't change it for anything out there with similar form factor. And although Lolipop 5.0.2 is not perfect, I got used to it and don't see a reason to go back to KK. And 5.1 will certainly come...
Is there a perfect smartphone (hw+sw+UX+price) ? No, but in my opinion this one is a good step forward.
Oh, and if you don't want to fiddle around with connectivity issues, be sure to buy the phone that maps to your geography and operator (D5803 vs D5833) and use a ROM that was built for it.
z4c would defiantly be a "want to have" but at a premium price point, that's why i picked z3c and i got a great deal. In my eyes it's the best phone on the marked atm. If you exclude all the minitablets which i have 0 interest in.
I am in the same position as the OP.
I had some android devices (nexus s, gnexus, htc incredible s, nexus4, htc one m7), right now I have no smartphone.
Z3C seems the "right choice" except for a couple things:
1) Price: here in Portugal the lowest is 400eur. For that price you can also have: htc desire eye, galaxy s5, and a lot of other non-waterproof phones with better cameras and better screens, but also worse battery.
The Z1C is 100eur cheaper.
2) Camera: it seems that sony camera is not on pair with others, even with everyone saying that is software the truth is that nobody solved it.
3) Sudden death: there are some cases (see sony's forum) of sudden death phones.
4) Cracked glass: this I don't know if is hype or not.I had a nexus 5 and people said that it broken by itself but mine only broke by hitting the floor.
I guess that if the Z4C brings the Snappdragon 810 it won't be very good because of overheating and throttling...
Only option is to wait.
Thanks for the replies.
For me the Z3C choice comes down to physical size.
I want a smaller phone but good specs, and as far as I can see there is no competition in the Android sphere (happy to be proved wrong).
I'll be keeping the phone pretty much stock until I need to start tinkering, so mods are not a problem for me currently.
I suspect the Z3C will have OS support for longer than the Z1C so that may make the £100 difference worth paying.
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Thanks for the replies.
For me the Z3C choice comes down to physical size.
I want a smaller phone but good specs, and as far as I can see there is no competition in the Android sphere (happy to be proved wrong).
I'll be keeping the phone pretty much stock until I need to start tinkering, so mods are not a problem for me currently.
I suspect .com/2015/04/22/sony-xperia-z4-compact-e5803-z4ultra-e6683-e6883-certification-details/"]http://www.whatsontech.com/2015/04/22/sony-xperia-z4the Z3C will have OS support for longer than the Z1C so that may make the £100 difference worth paying.
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Z4c and Z4U are real coming and they already passed the certification process with the model number being leaked out. I guess they will out on Sep.
But if you are speaking for the battery life, Z3c with s801 and 720p will be much better. All I can think is Z4c will improve the camera software further(and also fixed the Z3/Z3c red/green/purple tint issue) and upgraded to FHD screen. I've got a Z1c, if you want a cheaper phone to wait Z4c then Z1c is still doing good. If you want battery life for all then go for Z3c now.
what you will replace with?
X compact (design like XZ but same specs as Xperia X just 4.6" screen) also slower GPU\CPU from z5c
or X performance (same specs as XZ abit bigger than compact 5" instead of 5.2 and also new design)
or stay with your correct Z5C
i probably will go with XP even that i prefer small screen 4.6 to 5.0 not that big difference 1080P and 40% faster cpu (according to qualcomm)
Just gone from z3c to z5c so would take that as the change ? Not impressed with the X compact at all, and don't like 5"+ screens as to big. So there's little high end phones with small screens at the moment it's pretty disappointing.
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Just gone from z3c to z5c so would take that as the change Not impressed with the X compact at all, and don't like 5"+ screens as to big. So there's little high end phones with small screens at the moment it's pretty disappointing.
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yup z5c was the last high end phone from sony with small screen i think
X compact got 605 SD vs our 810SD , also besides speed Z5C got waterproof and 4K video, XC does not
if it had same spces as XP or XZ it was better from Z5
As much as I prefer the smaller form factor of the Compact series, I'm more likely to switch to the smaller Nexus (Pixel?) device than another Sony. Not sure the 28nm SoC in the X Compact would be an upgrade over the Z5C.
Z3 because of the AOSP Android 7
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Z3 because of the AOSP Android 7
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It seems Z3 android7 aosp will stuck in alpha/beta status forever and never will pull out a release ver from Sony bcoz Qualcomm already said that they won't support sd800/sd801 in android 7.0 officially.
I had Z3c , I have now a Z5c and I plan to buy a X Compact , why because for me it is an upgrade, I played with the normal X and it was very snappy , the camera from the X compact is a improvement and I like to take photos and this is the biggest plus for me versus the Z5c , also the battery life should be better IMO, more support from Sony in the near future , no glass back ( no stress of shatter) .
The only 2 things Z5c has that i will miss is the waterproof( but I will still keep the Z5c) and maybe a little bit the design, but the second one is more a guess because I didn't held a X compact in my hand , yet!
I'll see what next Nexus is, and maybe trade for it. Previous Nexus(5x and 6p) really did not impress me.
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I'll see what next Nexus is, and maybe trade for it. Previous Nexus(5x and 6p) really did not impress me.
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nexus line was killed as well
Hello Guys
That's funny to notice reading you that we are a lot of people who don't want a larger screen than 4.5" and that there not a lot of models less than 5" .
Hey people from marketing, can you ear us ?
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I had Z3c , I have now a Z5c and I plan to buy a X Compact , why because for me it is an upgrade, I played with the normal X and it was very snappy , the camera from the X compact is a improvement and I like to take photos and this is the biggest plus for me versus the Z5c , also the battery life should be better IMO, more support from Sony in the near future , no glass back ( no stress of shatter) .
The only 2 things Z5c has that i will miss is the waterproof( but I will still keep the Z5c) and maybe a little bit the design, but the second one is more a guess because I didn't held a X compact in my hand , yet!
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After I installed the stock XC cam.apk, I found my Z5c image quality is real better. I think color, focus, speed, image quality all got some improvement and showed the potential of IMX300 now. More importantly to me, the auto exposure when dealing with tough environment finally seems improved(though my Z1c still performs somewhat better here). The XC cam.apk is big almost double sized than the one Z5c comes with, so I think Sony is real working into it.
I believe XZ and XC will got nice camera fine tuning with this piece of sensor and fixed many problems in Z5c so it is worth to upgrade if you sololy looking for camera performance like me. I real like XC now because more updates only existed in the XC's kernel and rom based which is very difficult to port to Z5 series. At this time, I'm happy upgraded to XC stock cam, a free upgrade.
I don't have money in a short time so I think I'm gonna stick with Z5c for a while and only think about XC next year.
Is there any way to install the new camera from X compact without root ?
I wouldnt go for a Sony Upgrade. Only reason I have a z5c is because my wife wanted my Nexus 6p and I thought I'd use something compact and see how it goes. I love the dimension, the quality of the Z5c but I hate how it heats up like mofo and that theres very little dev support. Its been like that with most Xperia phones and I don't see how the X series is going to attract any considering the initial price at release and a downgrade in specs. Also it seems well-known accessory makers steer clear of Xperia devices, I'd be lucky if I find a decent quality case.
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I wish there was a good alternative to the Z5 c but if you want a small water resistant device with good specs that's really about it. Not much else out there that checks those boxes.
I really loved my Z5C until it slowed down after just a few months of regular usage. Overheating is another issue, when it heats up, the performance is reduced significantly, and some apps might crash or not respond. It also depends on the usage since I am a heavy user and install way too much apps, probably one of the reasons of the phone slowing down, but I still love my Z5C. Though I've been looking at phones to upgrade soon since the thermal throttling and the device when in constant use, really heats up and is not comfortable to the touch. I think I'll upgrade to an iPhone this time, but if I will choose to stay all Sony and Android, I might get the newer X Performance, or if other brands, Samsung Galaxy S7, or OnePlus 3. xD But those are only my options, I still love my Z5C because of it's size with it's 4.6 inches display, only the iPhone 6S or 7 could come next.
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I wish there was a good alternative to the Z5 c but if you want a small water resistant device with good specs that's really about it. Not much else out there that checks those boxes.
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Similar here.
I use the phone as a nav system on a motorcycle so the waterproofing is a hugely important factor, and I much prefer the smaller size (Had an Xperia Z in the past and that was a little too large).
Which Sony products are now continuing the fully waterproof (IP67 or better) standard now?
Unfortunately there aren't great smaller factor devices, but I found out that huawei p10 is really narrow, 5" but still acceptable.
So I would go with huawei p10 or new/old pixel
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Similar here.
I use the phone as a nav system on a motorcycle so the waterproofing is a hugely important factor, and I much prefer the smaller size (Had an Xperia Z in the past and that was a little too large).
Which Sony products are now continuing the fully waterproof (IP67 or better) standard now?
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Good news if you can wait a bit and don't mind buying new. Sony gets their act straight and the dust/water rating is back on the next gen Xperia compact!
Xperia ZX1 C
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Good news if you can wait a bit and don't mind buying new. Sony gets their act straight and the dust/water rating is back on the next gen Xperia compact!
Xperia ZX1 C
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Looks perfect for me. Not fussed about a 720p screen. Hope it's still around when my EE upgrade date arrives next year!
I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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I'm agree with you, Compact series from sony is awesome. Nice hardware and perfect size including water proof and dust resistance. And I think it's still one of the best in terms of battery life. At the moment, absolutely satisfied with this phone.
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I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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Totally agree, every cent was well expended on this phone. I regret nothing. Also I thought I'd never use the waterproof feature, but this week accidently I poured water on my phone. I didn't even bothered about it
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I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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There are rumors that in February there will be a XZ Compact release.
Is the Pixel that bad? I was interested in buying it, but it's way too expensive.
No, absolutely not. Pixel is awesome. Unparalleled software and camera experience. Love the screen quality and oh so smooth.
Give me pixel software and camera on a z3c shape and size (maybe upgraded to include xperia x fingerprint scanner, USB c, and the new chips -821 and 4 GB RAM) and that works be my ideal phone.
I guess this is a good place to give my two cents, for all z3c users considering pixel - don't be fooled by those reviews calling the regular pixel a compact form, it's so not. Maybe it feels like compact to those who like and use phablets - to us z3c users, it's a big ol phone. And the way I hold the phone one handed (so I can type) actually hurts my finger. The bottom of pixel is sharp where the speaker cut out is. I rest my phone on my little finger - could do that with z3c - can't do that with pixel. The phone is top heavy, it always feel like it'll topple over during typing.
Compared to z3c, the pixel is a bar of soap, super slippery. Add to that the width and weight, and of course the price (meaning you don't want to drop this) this phone is a pain to use - super scared of dropping it all the time.
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No, absolutely not. Pixel is awesome. Unparalleled software and camera experience. Love the screen quality and oh so smooth.
Give me pixel software and camera on a z3c shape and size (maybe upgraded to include xperia x fingerprint scanner, USB c, and the new chips -821 and 4 GB RAM) and that works be my ideal phone.
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Wish I had the money to buy it then. Sounds like a cool phone.
But if you mod the Z3C right (my setup is SLIMM 3.8 + EliteKernel (personalized kernel profile) + ARISE Sound Mod + Cyberian (I tweaked some files as well and use personalized KCal settings) + N-ify along with Greenify and AppOps for saving battery and Media Scanner Optimizer + SDMaid for snappiness) I can say that this phone can perform par on par with the latest flagships. My girlfriend has a S7 and the way the camera is edited due to CyberianMod and my edits, the Z3C is coming really close to it.
The only problem with Z3 is the overheating issue and the fact that we don't have official support anymore. But, hey! A lot of bugs were fixed with the latest blobs.
I was searching for a new phone to buy as well, but I couldn't find anything (nor had the money). I took into account Nexus 5X but that phone has at most 1 more year of support. Same with the Z5C. XZ is too big, X Compact is mid-range. Pixel is way too expensive and OnePlus 3 is far too big.
I guess that I'll be stuck with the Z3C for a while. At least I can try and make the most of it. Great phone. Wish support wasn't dropped for it.
And it's a great phone to be stuck with - I almost wish I stayed put (hence the post) but I cracked my z3c and currently using it with tape. Also, got tired of the camera and low light picture quality - that and diminishing developer support ????
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And it's a great phone to be stuck with - I almost wish I stayed put (hence the post) but I cracked my z3c and currently using it with tape. Also, got tired of the camera and low light picture quality - that and diminishing developer support ????
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You should give a try to a brand new Z5 compact( or back again to a brand new Z3 compact) , in my opinion. Sure,many people would say it's a failure to buy a brand new 1-2 year old phone, when there's the new X Compact, BUT i just can't move to any other phone bigger than 4.7....And guys, let's be honest, only Sony provides power in these inches...(maybe Apple with the iPhone SE too, but it's not waterproff, no sd card + it's 4.0 not 4.6)
Don't think I didn't consider that. I really did... It boiled down to z5c not being much of an upgrade from z3c, looks more plasticky, and the horror stories I heard about overheating.
Combine that with my desire for the latest stock software and timely update and also a top notch camera - I had to make the call on pixel. Also, I'm on T-Mobile, been on it for quite a while, don't anticipate switching, so when T-Mobile half off over two years promo came out, the phone became affordable (not that it would have stopped me,, considering I bought the phone before the promo was announced).
As I said, if Sony releases an upgraded z3c again, same form factor and look, and battery life, just improved internals and maybe added finger print sensor, I'll sell my pixel and buy that instead. (I hope Sony is reading these forums )
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Don't think I didn't consider that. I really did... It boiled down to z5c not being much of an upgrade from z3c, looks more plasticky, and the horror stories I heard about overheating.
Combine that with my desire for the latest stock software and timely update and also a top notch camera - I had to make the call on pixel. Also, I'm on T-Mobile, been on it for quite a while, don't anticipate switching, so when T-Mobile half off over two years promo came out, the phone became affordable (not that it would have stopped me,, considering I bought the phone before the promo was announced).
As I said, if Sony releases an upgraded z3c again, same form factor and look, and battery life, just improved internals and maybe added finger print sensor, I'll sell my pixel and buy that instead. (I hope Sony is reading these forums )
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Well said lad. Have fun with your new phone, it's a nice feeling! I'll keep going with my Z3c until it dies! Haha,cheers!
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Combine that with my desire for the latest stock software and timely update and also a top notch camera - I had to make the call on pixel.
As I said, if Sony releases an upgraded z3c again, same form factor and look, and battery life, just improved internals and maybe added finger print sensor, I'll sell my pixel and buy that instead. (I hope Sony is reading these forums )
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I'd love to own a Pixel, stock android, tons of custom roms and outstanding camera, those two have my attention, but damn WTF with the price? Apart from the looks (the back is OK, but why did they copy iPhone's front is beyond every logic) the battery is a joke, come on from the Z2/Z3 days it should have become a standard to use a 3000mah battery with ~5" screen. This is not an affordable Nexus device so that they can cut costs on a battery and get away with it.
Anyway, even if Sony releases "upgraded z3c" or something similar, I'd think twice about it, mainly because I love using AOSP (fully working and stable), and that's impossible if you don't own Nexus/Pixel.
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Wish I had the money to buy it then. Sounds like a cool phone.
But if you mod the Z3C right (my setup is SLIMM 3.8 + EliteKernel (personalized kernel profile) + ARISE Sound Mod + Cyberian (I tweaked some files as well and use personalized KCal settings) + N-ify along with Greenify and AppOps for saving battery and Media Scanner Optimizer + SDMaid for snappiness) I can say that this phone can perform par on par with the latest flagships. My girlfriend has a S7 and the way the camera is edited due to CyberianMod and my edits, the Z3C is coming really close to it.
The only problem with Z3 is the overheating issue and the fact that we don't have official support anymore. But, hey! A lot of bugs were fixed with the latest blobs.
I was searching for a new phone to buy as well, but I couldn't find anything (nor had the money). I took into account Nexus 5X but that phone has at most 1 more year of support. Same with the Z5C. XZ is too big, X Compact is mid-range. Pixel is way too expensive and OnePlus 3 is far too big.
I guess that I'll be stuck with the Z3C for a while. At least I can try and make the most of it. Great phone. Wish support wasn't dropped for it.
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Hi!
I'm very new here and also not that experienced with modding android. I have 2 Zc3 witch I've Rooted and put some Slimm rom in. (I've no Idea What th SLimm stands for)
Going to try to copy your setup now, so thanks for posting that!
I Upgraded one of them today with the "D5803_3657_Android 6.0 Sony Marshmallow Concept"
And to my Suprise they added support for Exchange server??
I've tried so hard to get any exchange calender to work with the slimm but to no sucess, Do any of you use marsmallow? or do you use older ones? (My work uses office365 )
I been looking for any phone that can match the batterylife and size with the xperia but with no sucess. So I guess I'm stuck with simply the best ^^
Best phone I was used before but due digitizer problem I sent to service they replace the phone with X
I really enjoyed with z3c it is great phone
This phone is starting to show its age. Eventually it will get too slow and/or the battery will degrade too much.
Has started looking at getting a new phone? The only other similar phone I can find at this size is the XZ1.
However I've been getting tired of Sony's poor camera drivers. It would also be nice to be able to record a 4K video longer than 2min in a warm environment. Plus I'd like an OLED screen in my next phone. Unfortunately the smallest phone I can find that meets all my requirements is almost an inch bigger.
I'm only thinking than my next will be a 5 inch screen but without frames because the market tendence.
But nothing more than 5.5" x 3" phone measures.
I agree. I think I'll keep using this phone at least through the end of this year. At that time, I will likely be forced to a larger phone just because there is nothing out there in a small size. Definitely something with a good camera HW AND SW. And something that is actually capable of record 4K video for more than a minute in warm weather without cropping down the video.
Who knows, maybe someone will go out on a limb and put out a phone that will fit in your hand. I think the fact that phone manufacturers have had to add features for "one-handed mode" that resize your phone so the rest of the screen is unusable so that you can reach the buttons or the various products that stick something to the back of your phone so you can securely hold the phone with one hand shows that there exists a market for a phone that you can use with one hand.
Xperia XZ2 compact.
But sadly i need fm radio and dual sim for my next phone. Both are absent in xz2 compact
If anyone finds a good alternative be sure to let us know
Would actually consider the XZ2 Compact if the camera on Z5 Compact wasnt such a big dissapointment, afraid it will be the same on the XZ2. I remember reading the specs and reviews about the Z5 camera being great, 23MP and all, reality was a whole different story...
Hi,
I agree! I want a phone that fits in one hand and in my girl-size pockets! The Sony XZ2 is even bigger. And again (!) no radio! The Z5c seems to be the last decently spec'd small smartphone ... I'm about to buy it for this reason. I mention I tried looking on aliexpress and not sure how great it would work but there's a VKWorld T2 Plus phone that looks like it may be worth checking out. It's thicker but length is decent and think may still fit the pocket! It's dual sim with independent micro SD, and dual screen! It's a flip-phone!! Remember how we used to be able to text without looking at your phone because you could just tap the buttons?!?! So the outside screen is touch, the inside one isn't and is controlled via the buttons... have a look.
What about Nokia 8 Sirocco ?
I also like the Z5c for the same reason, because it fits perfectly in one hand and is very powerful for it`s size. But i also think about upgrading and the best i found so far is this Nokia. The Nokia 8 (the previous version) was compared to Pixel 2 on most forums as for hardware with only drawbacks in the software category. So i think the sirocco version would be much better and although 0,9 Inch bigger it has almost no bezels and screen curved....
What do you think? Also i got my wife a Huawey P10, and it is actually quite good and not that big (5.1 inch) but i do not want same phone as my wife )))
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I found out that it has lunched the XZ2 compact.
It is not as good looking as the Nokia 8 Sirocco but ...... i like it
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.... I remember reading the specs and reviews about the Z5 camera being great, 23MP and all, reality was a whole different story...
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Yeah, I remember reading reviews with statements like "since we assume this will be fixed with future software updates". I've learned the hard way to never believe those words.
It's sad that my 10yr old phone I had before the Z5 gets better reception (including GPS) and can sometimes take better photos.
Cameras on xz1 compact and xz2 compact are really one level better than z5 compact.
Shooting 4K video problem - it was because of 810 chip problems, not because of the camera.
So I think I've finally had enough with this phone. On my vacations/trips, when I really need the phone to last, I have to carry a secondary battery with me, keep the phone in airplane mode most of the time, and be very careful to get it to last through the day (and not strand me somewhere with no google maps).
Right now, the smallest phone that I can find (with 3.5mm jack, microsd), is the Samsung Galaexy s10e or A40.
Have any of you found any other phones possibilities?
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So I think I've finally had enough with this phone. On my vacations/trips, when I really need the phone to last, I have to carry a secondary battery with me, keep the phone in airplane mode most of the time, and be very careful to get it to last through the day (and not strand me somewhere with no google maps).
Right now, the smallest phone that I can find (with 3.5mm jack, microsd), is the Samsung Galaexy s10e or A40.
Have any of you found any other phones possibilities?
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I looked at both A40 and S10e in the store. Bought S10e after testing the camera on both. Been using it for 1 month, no problems so far. Not any custom roms available yet, but I imagine S10e will have a larger chance of getting custom roms than A40 because of popularity.
Why is no one mentioning xz1 compact?
I bought an XZ1 Compact as a replacement and I'm very happy with it. It's a lot faster than Z5C (and Z5C was already fast enough for me), and it has a lot of custom ROMs. Finally I can use LineageOS 16 on my phone, I was hoping it would be on Z5C too eventually but everybody seems to have abandoned this phone, and so did I. Z5C a great phone, but it's useless if it has no ROMs in development. So no regrets here.
TheVan28 said:
Why is no one mentioning xz1 compact?
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Uh, maybe because as of July 2019 it's nowhere near being readily available? Even the second-hand market for XZ1c is super-dry.
If you know this to be the case otherwise, then please: point us to your source for excellent-condition XZ1c. No, seriously: I am honestly looking for one (in black) and they are pretty much impossible to find, so any leads would genuinely be appreciated. I keep hoping I'll stumble upon an online retailer that still has a stash of these in new-old-stock condition for a reasonable price...
-- Nathan
nlra said:
Uh, maybe because as of July 2019 it's nowhere near being readily available? Even the second-hand market for XZ1c is super-dry.
If you know this to be the case otherwise, then please: point us to your source for excellent-condition XZ1c. No, seriously: I am honestly looking for one (in black) and they are pretty much impossible to find, so any leads would genuinely be appreciated. I keep hoping I'll stumble upon an online retailer that still has a stash of these in new-old-stock condition for a reasonable price...
-- Nathan
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Where do you live?
I'm in Italy where it's available on amazon and you can easly find it at stores.
TheVan28 said:
Where do you live?
I'm in Italy where it's available on amazon and you can easly find it at stores.
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Lucky you. I'm in the U.S. I imagine this probably has something to do with it. I'm not sure if this is an *accurate* perception, but my perception nonetheless is that as soon as XZ2c was introduced to the market, XZ1c completely disappeared from all shelves -- both physical and virtual -- over here.
-- Nathan
Still very happy with my Z5C, but looking for replacements is a total guessing game, and there's nothing new that even compares with the small form-factor.
I still use the Z5 for everything (on standard OS) and although it's a little bloated with the larger apps (I had to clear off some unused apps recently), it still works very well.
I can't even find a 'new' XZ1C which appears to be the most comparable 'newer' unit.
Have to say I'm tempted by a CAT of some sort, simply for the ruggedness, but they're all over 5" screens. I'm actually surprised that CAT don't do a smaller form factor.
How about the new unihertz jelly 2
Luumumba said:
How about the new unihertz jelly 2
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Aaaah, it's so cute! But Jeez! Only 2.45" display? Rather not.
I can strongly support the XZ1c as a replacement for the Z5c. Did this myself in summer 2019 and am very happy with it. Don't know about the XZ2c, though: It's got almost the same measurements but has this bulky back which I don't really like.
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I've had the XZ2 compact. I've lost it into the water so I'm back at my Z5c. Yes I know it's waterproof but it's a bit of a struggle to get it back out of a channel 5 meters deep.
The camera is indeed better, especially at low light situations, and yes, while it still has an IPS panel, colors are quite vibrant.
I noticed I was really happy with the smaller size of the Z5c, and I also like the fingerprint sensor being at the side, combined with the power button. I do miss the 960fps video shooting ability despite the fragments are really short.
I'm surprised I don't really miss the higher resolution of the display, which was the reason not to go for the XZ1c, so now that's out of the way I guess I'll be looking for a used XZ1c. I can't find any other reasonable phone with the same size. Also I'm quite happy with Sony's decision to keep the dedicated shutter button, which no other brand has nowadays.
I would almost go for a Palm Palm, but at about € 200 that's a bit too much to spend for a toy.