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Engadget Review

Engadget Review is out:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/24/sony-xperia-z1-review/
looks like they have some nice words for the Z1.
I will get my Z1 sometime this week and we'll see how it turns out, but im quite optimistic :victory:.

The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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matheus_sc said:
The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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Just got mine, still 518 fw though
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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Yes you're right, but considering how engadget gives it's critics to other devices, I think it says allot that they are pretty pleased with the Z1
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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!

TheCraig said:
They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!
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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that

billybobjones said:
a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that
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Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...

TheCraig said:
Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...
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then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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.. did you even bother to read the post you were responding to?
Anyways, considering the Z1 didn't ship with its final camera firmware it's been doing pretty well for itself so far. Very excited to see what improvements will come when the proper software is released.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.

So I read the review (I've been thinking about buying this phone, as I need a camera, and a new phone), and I noticed that Engadget said:
To explore this, we had to switch back to manual mode and set resolution to 20.7MP again. It's worth noting that this kills a bunch of camera options, such as HDR, scene selection and digital image stabilization -- but it was the only way to push the Z1's sensor to its limits.
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This made me sad. Does this mean that the phone won't take 20MP HDR photos?
Other than that, it seems to be a good phone.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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Hey sorry just looking out from in the guy your debating with actually said he does not think that the z1 can keep up with the Nokia but hopes that a update can help with some noise issues and softness , not to beat the Nokia but to overall help with the IQ of the z1. Hope that helps. And software can help with image quality as in proper exposure and the right ISO and shutter speed settings when in auto. Its true that you can not help grain pattern because this is a sensor specific thing but the amount of grain or noise can be helped and the amount of processing e.g sharpening can also be helped with software.
Z1 has great specs they need to work on the software to help it shine.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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I read through all the posts and no where did you state it would be better or even match the 1020 with a software update you just mentioned it needs a software update to get the best out of the Z1 camera.
I agree the camera should be way better than what it is and if it can produce a clean image with minimal noise AND fix that superior auto then that is all that matters imho.
There is a lot of potential in this phone and I hope Sony can really get the most out of it.

I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.

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I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.
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Took some proper photos outside today and detail was fine but for some reason lighting was a bit ****ed up... It came out a bit dark.. They really need to fix the camera firmware ASAP!

Xperia Z1 2nd Place in DxO Mark's Overall Mobile Camera Ranking

Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
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Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?

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Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.

j0sh0 said:
I guess the big sensor is the key here. Dxomark doesn't reflect the real life though. I'm not very happy with the z1 camera... far too noisy especially at 20mp. Still better than my older nexus 4 anyway.
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Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.

bloodfire1004 said:
Just curious, what settings are you using? I'm pretty satisfied with the Z1 Camera of mine, but that was after tweaking some of the shooting settings I'm in. At first, I was pretty disappointed as well but now I think I'm good.
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I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.

j0sh0 said:
I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.

bloodfire1004 said:
Ah ok. That's good then. Shooting at 20MP especially in low-light results in (I'm not sure why) worse pictures than shooting at 8MP 4:3 .. in my tests, it resulted in darker images.
I also like to shoot at 8MP 4:3 to take advantage of the oversampling and leave the rest of the settings to Auto. One thing though is that I turn off the Stabilizer. I found that turning it on resulted in the camera choosing a much higher ISO than intended compared when leaving it off. This may be due to its detection of slight handshake movements and it tries to compensate by upping the ISO in favor of a faster shutter speed.
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Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.

j0sh0 said:
Yes shooting at 20mp is useless. Pics are so noisy... it's a shame. At 8mp the image quality is pretty good and yes, with the stabiliser on the iso is higher for that reason. But I prefer a bit more noise other than a blurred image.
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Nice. What metering and focus are you using? Particularly for macro / night shots. I find that using Single Auto Focus setting doesn't keep the whole image in focus and just the middle part, but I find that the multi-auto focus setting doesn't do too well either particularly in macro shots. Currently, I shoot in landscape mode when shooting macro.

I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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j0sh0 said:
I'm using metering average (it seems to do a better job with white balance as well). About focus I always use touch focus... I like to choose what I want in focus...
I love th bokeh management of the lens.. look at this for example
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Ohh nice, I'm gonna try that out Thanks!

j0sh0 said:
I bought the phone yesterday so I'm still testing it. At the moment I like to shoot in manual mode at 8mp with image stabiliser on.
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And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.

Timaustin2000 said:
And there's you mistake - the software image stabiliser introduces noise. Switch it off.
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Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.

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Yeah, I know... but as I said I prefer a slighty noiser image than a blurred one. I'll try again without stabiliser anyway.
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Hopefully new update has improved superior auto mode...

Try night mode can reduce noise.
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Why is everyone so scared of noise I just don't get it. If the fine detail is their don't worry about the noise.
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Yeah. The Z1 does lovely bokeh.

here is theDxO report for the Z1 which i could not find on DxO's website.
matheus_sc said:
I dont think samsung software is better, have more mods, but is very large and camera lags, i have gs4 9500 until last week
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What i find telling from that review is this graph.
Above 80 lux the S4 shots have more 'texture' than the Z1.
Contrary to what people might think the Z1 has the best noise reduction indoors.

bloodfire1004 said:
Apparently, DxO Mark just gave out a score to Xperia Z1 and amazingly, just sits at 2nd place behind the Pureview 808 in overall Mobile Camera Ranking! :victory:
And that's without the "firmware updates" that will supposedly improve the camera!
I can't post the link as I'm still within the new user limitation of posting outside links. But if you're curious to see it, just do a quick google search for DxOMark and Xperia Z1!
More details:
Actually, the stills for Z1 stands at 5th place, however the video was deemed to be outstanding and the best in the mobile cameras and just 2nd place in their database behind the GoPro Hero 3!
If you're wondering what happened to the 1020, they also have an article on it and while they deemed the stills to be amazing and 2nd only to the 808. However, video was said to be lacking.
What are your thoughts?
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Not much of a fan of them anymore, after I wrote to them to see if they would do the Xperia Z test again after Sony updating the firmware to fix the bad camera quality, they didn't even respond to me. On the flip side it is Sony's fault for shipping substandard equipment, get all the important things right first, especially the camera when they are making such a big deal about how amazing it is.

DxO finally got around to testing the G2. Overall G2 placed 6th. However in the photo section it ties with the Z1 in terms of score. A closer examination of the parameters tested shows the Z1 edges ahead slighlty.
Where the Z1 comes out ahead : Exposure & Contrast, Colour, Noise Reduction, Flash
Where the G2 comes out ahead : Autofocus, Texture, Artifacts
4 > 3 or Z1 ahead by a little.
What lets the G2 down is video, where its ranked 15th to the Z1's 2nd place.
If you consider phones alone, Z1 has the best video out there.
Now we have to wait for DxO to test the Note 3 to see whether it will affect the Z1's ranking.

Sorry to jump here like that, I don't even know all this stuff but after read what you guys saying is like the camera on Z1 was made for experienced people who know how to set up the device. This is a phone anyway and I like to go around and shooting everything but almost of the pictures are crap. That how shouldn't be with a camera on a phone with 20mpx.

[PHOTOS] OnePlus One user photo and video discussion thread

This is the OnePlus One user photo and camera discussion thread
Camera features:
Image sensor: Sony BSI Exmor IMX214 CMOS, 1/3.06" sensor size
Lens: F2.0, 6-element auto-focus system
Maximum photo resolution: 4160x3120, 13 megapixels
Front facing camera: 5 megapixels w/80º wide angle
Maximum video resolution: 3840x2160 = 4k at 30FPS, 1920x1080 at 60FPS, 1280x720p at 120FPS
Features: HDR, panorama, image stabilization, face detection, tap to focus, geo-tagging, face-detection
The official OnePlus One camera samples
For more info, full size and EXIF, please visit the OnePlus website here: http://oneplus.net/one#features

If this photos are true i can only say " Its Amazing great!! "
Cheers

xenix96 said:
If this photos are true i can only say " Its Amazing great!! "
Cheers
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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.

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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.
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As soon as the first users here own a device, this thread will be flooded with shots, I'm sure...

Not my picture but this was my favourite from some of the ones I saw from preproduction models.
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I certainly hope that with real world conditions it can deliver quality like shown above.

The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.

Jishnu Sur™ said:
The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.
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Are you going to be picking up this device? I don't care much for cameras but this caught my eye and since you're on here I'm even more excited about the camera.
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FuMMoD said:
Are you going to be picking up this device? I don't care much for cameras but this caught my eye and since you're on here I'm even more excited about the camera.
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Hello Sir !
Nice to see you here too..I'm trying to get this device from Europe somehow.. Seems too good to be true! What interests me is the IMX214 sensor lol..I really need that system dump too!

Jishnu Sur™ said:
Hello Sir !
Nice to see you here too..I'm trying to get this device from Europe somehow.. Seems too good to be true! What interests me is the IMX214 sensor lol..I really need that system dump too!
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You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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Jishnu Sur™ said:
The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.
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A good Sony IMX sensor with a proper lens and image signal processor can bring wonderful images, see iPhone 5S. Which is why I'm puzzled to this day how come Sony's own Xperia Z, Z1 and even some Z2 shots look so over-processed, showing some lens inconsistencies and some SW errors too. Both the Oppo Find 7 and the OnePlus One launch with the new IMX214, and I'm curious how will they fare compared to other Exmors, the Lumias and ISOCELL. So far it is promising.

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You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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Cool ! I'll start arranging the money then! hahahaha .. Yes that would be awesome. This thing is surely worth the price they are asking.
Off topic : Thanks are over, cant press Sorry! :crying:
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A good Sony IMX sensor with a proper lens and image signal processor can bring wonderful images, see iPhone 5S. Which is why I'm puzzled to this day how come Sony's own Xperia Z, Z1 and even some Z2 shots look so over-processed, showing some lens inconsistencies and some SW errors too. Both the Oppo Find 7 and the OnePlus One launch with the new IMX214, and I'm curious how will they fare compared to other Exmors, the Lumias and ISOCELL. So far it is promising.
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I agree with you on the Sony Devices part. I have seen that actually. Sony likes to complicate stuff, i really don't know why. Where they can have a easy way to fi thing, they go the other way. Trust me they have 3-4 different apps for the camera. You tell me who in 2014 does that?! lol .. And I read an article, the ISOCELL vs the IMX179 comparison. (Here). The IMX was better
I really need to have a look at the Lumia's though, they have almost DSLR type quality..

The S5 camera is much, MUCH better than the Nexus 5 to be frank. But the IMX214 is a new generation Sony sensor.

aren't you guys a bit scared about the camera app?
i've tried few phones with cyanogen camera app and they were all a lot worst than the original rom camera app (samsung devices especially)
at least this time they are working on their hardware so i really hope it'll be a lot better

Nirael said:
aren't you guys a bit scared about the camera app?
i've tried few phones with cyanogen camera app and they were all a lot worst than the original rom camera app (samsung devices especially)
at least this time they are working on their hardware so i really hope it'll be a lot better
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their camera on this phone is completely new and we have seen the pictures right? i dont think it will suck

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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.
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if picture #3 is indeed the correct photo here low light looks amazing
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/contest-guess-the-oneplus-one-photo.368/
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You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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if you do that the community may have to buy you another nexus to have you keep developing for it :crying: "for the community"

jeremykersh said:
if picture #3 is indeed the correct photo here low light looks amazing
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Remember that these pictures are taken directly from OP's press page—they might have been doctored/photoshopped. On the other hand, I'd be amazed if the camera actually was this good.

klvnhng said:
Remember that these pictures are taken directly from OP's press page—they might have been doctored/photoshopped. On the other hand, I'd be amazed if the camera actually was this good.
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Depending on scene and light conditions, today's smartphones can take impressive photos, see some form my S5 review. As far as dynamic range and per pixel sharpness, 1+1 fits right in among the best of Android photography based on what I've seen so far.

Some of these look really good.
She's a cutie too.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-OnePlus-One-appear_id55043#32-

She is not that bad

Comparison test pic between Z1 and Z3

dont be disappointed for those who have unlock their bootloader on their Z3. both of my Z1 and Z3 bootloader is unlocked.
at least there is something to cheer up about!
a test pic taken on Z1 and Z3 have shown better results. camera setting for both phone is the same.
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both phones have unlock BL right?
What settings did you use for taking these shots.. Auto/Manual etc

vidge1111 said:
both phones have unlock BL right?
What settings did you use for taking these shots.. Auto/Manual etc
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yes. both phone hav already unlock bootloader.
on manual settings.

Please upload original pics to compare. Xperia phones can't capture png files as normal and of course not 32bit depth

Zanr Zij said:
Please upload original pics to compare. Xperia phones can't capture png files as normal and of course not 32bit depth
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Z1
Z3

chunlianghere said:
dont be disappointed for those who have unlock their bootloader on their Z3. both of my Z1 and Z3 bootloader is unlocked.
at least there is something to cheer up about!
a test pic taken on Z1 and Z3 have shown better results. camera setting for both phone is the same.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2730097
The stock camera on z1 is really bad, it doesn't need to do testing because almost everyone know it. Can you flash the Chocolatetrain's mod cam V8 8MP on Z1 and compare it to Z3 again? Make sure your Z1 is on 4.4.4 because the camera focus on 4.4.2 is very bad.

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Oh! Just download them .
2 pics are different in file size so I can't say anything to compare. If you can, compare Z3 UB and LB.

I have unlocked mine and this is the picture I took awhile ago..
Updated pic link (too large to attach here)
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z3 pretty good

Sorry, guys.
No comparison possible with reduced size photos. With reduced size, you cannot see fine details, you cannot even spot the Z3's non-focus areas at the picture's edges.
Please post photos in FULL resolution, only. Everything else is just a waste of time, making everything look great.

Chefproll said:
Sorry, guys.
No comparison possible with reduced size photos. With reduced size, you cannot see fine details, you cannot even spot the Z3's non-focus areas at the picture's edges.
Please post photos in FULL resolution, only. Everything else is just a waste of time, making everything look great.
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its already in FULL RESOLUTION!
right click the pic, open in new tab
Sent from my D6653 using XDA Free mobile app

chunlianghere said:
its already in FULL RESOLUTION!
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So 1024 x 768 is the full resolution of our Z3's camera ?

Chefproll said:
Sorry, guys.
No comparison possible with reduced size photos. With reduced size, you cannot see fine details, you cannot even spot the Z3's non-focus areas at the picture's edges.
Please post photos in FULL resolution, only. Everything else is just a waste of time, making everything look great.
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You can check out my link above. For the Xperia z3 picture in Flickr. Ignore the rest.

bb_hershey said:
You can check out my link above. For the Xperia z3 picture in Flickr. Ignore the rest.
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I did. Z3 performs quite well in low-light situations but FAILS with shots taken under bright sunlight. Especially plants, flowers or grass are rendered in a horrible way. Quality is like an 8 MP camera even in 20.7 MP mode, with unfocused areas at the picture's edges (left and right image borders).
Just try, watch the results in 1:1, FULL resolution at your monitor. :/

Chefproll said:
So 1024 x 768 is the full resolution of our Z3's camera ?
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oops! stupid photobucket! :crying:
Z1
Z3
Z1
Z3

chunlianghere said:
oops! stupid photobucket! :crying:
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Thank you very much for providing these pictures !
Picture 1: Have a look at the playground down in the middle: Sharp contours, looks very good.
But then have a look at the trees on the right hand side of the picture, focus the leaves: All blurred, just a muddy green slurry. Especially visible if leaves are in front of another green background like above the tiny lawn with the street lamp on it.
So we've got real sharp objects AND totally blurred objects in the same picture. - Caused by Sony's inferior software.
Picture 2: Concentrate on the D-Link box, note the part just below the line "mydlink Camera Video Recorder".
Left hand side ("Home/Small Office"): Focused. Right hand side: Blurred. - Spoiled by Sony's inferior software.

Chefproll said:
Thank you very much for providing these pictures !
Picture 1: Have a look at the playground down in the middle: Sharp contours, looks very good.
But then have a look at the trees on the right hand side of the picture, focus the leaves: All blurred, just a muddy green slurry. Especially visible if leaves are in front of another green background like above the tiny lawn with the street lamp on it.
So we've got real sharp objects AND totally blurred objects in the same picture. - Caused by Sony's inferior software.
Picture 2: Concentrate on the D-Link box, note the part just below the line "mydlink Camera Video Recorder".
Left hand side ("Home/Small Office"): Focused. Right hand side: Blurred. - Spoiled by Sony's inferior software.
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so u mean "Spoiled by Sony's inferior software" is because of unlocking bootloader or?

chunlianghere said:
so u mean "Spoiled by Sony's inferior software" is because of unlocking bootloader or?
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The software without unlocking is faulty, too. See several reviews. But there is a fair chance they fix it with a software update. The sensor is great, the software is holding back the quality.

chunlianghere said:
so u mean "Spoiled by Sony's inferior software" is because of unlocking bootloader or?
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No, this problems are not caused by unlocking the bootloader. It's just Sony spoiling the camera by using a SUBZERO camera software. Maybe there's a deal as Sony sells camera modules to other manufacturers: "We'll buy your Sony cameras if you make sure that your own Smartphone's cameras are far inferior to ours."
We've got a capable sensor - but the Sony software castrates it down to 8 MP level. :/

Chefproll said:
No, this problems are not caused by unlocking the bootloader. It's just Sony spoiling the camera by using a SUBZERO camera software. Maybe there's a deal as Sony sells camera modules to other manufacturers: "We'll buy your Sony cameras if you make sure that your own Smartphone's cameras are far inferior to ours."
We've got a capable sensor - but the Sony software castrates it down to 8 MP level. :/
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The fact that automode makes it 8MP isn't that much the issue btw (for me at least), oversampling is a common technique to get the best MP image using all the pixels of a large sensor. The problem is that Sony's implementation is mediocre at best and you can not really count on it.
As this has been the case since the Z1 I'm very sceptical of them actually fixing it, but I do remember firmware updates for the Z1 for example which really improved fotos. It is frustrating though, the hardware is awesome but they don't get the most out of it because of the software.
Still, it's not as much crap as people here give it. I have shot many great fotos with the Z1 (although only owning the Z3 for a few days now I can not yet comment properly on its pictures) but the fact that it's advertised as the best camera phone ever sets the bar high and it can not (always) live up to that.

What do we really lose on the Z5P by unlocking the bootloader?

Has anyone confirmed what we will lose if we unlock the bootloaders on the Z5P? Seems like getting locked BL root on 5.1.1 is a very long shot and I think a lot of us would want to weigh the benefits of having root against the functionality of the phone being reduced.
So far I've heard:
- BionZ camera processing
- PS4 controller support
- X-Reality display mode
Anything else? Like payments or 4K support or anything?

benengyj said:
Has anyone confirmed what we will lose if we unlock the bootloaders on the Z5P? Seems like getting locked BL root on 5.1.1 is a very long shot and I think a lot of us would want to weigh the benefits of having root against the functionality of the phone being reduced.
So far I've heard:
- BionZ camera processing
- PS4 controller support
- X-Reality display mode
Anything else? Like payments or 4K support or anything?
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I need to double check, but I'm 90% certain that PS4 remote play/controller support worked fine on an unlocked Z3, so I'm surprised it would fail on an unlocked Z5P.
I'm going to be unlocking mine soon so I'll know. To be honest, I have never really missed any of the DRM-protected stuff in the past when unlocking a Sony. Some people actually preferred when the NR algo was disabled in the camera because it's known to be overaggressive and destroys detail. (RAW would be optimal, which is why I've been working with Alin on the AOSP camera project - RAW does work in the new AOSP camera blobs but they have a bunch of other things that need work.)

benengyj said:
Has anyone confirmed what we will lose if we unlock the bootloaders on the Z5P? Seems like getting locked BL root on 5.1.1 is a very long shot and I think a lot of us would want to weigh the benefits of having root against the functionality of the phone being reduced.
So far I've heard:
- BionZ camera processing
- PS4 controller support
- X-Reality display mode
Anything else? Like payments or 4K support or anything?
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X-reality still works as far as I remember. I am unlocked

What about Miracast (screen mirroring)? I lost it on my old "z" unlocking the BL.

Good to know that it seems that nothing much is lost then. Looking forward towards rooting and transferring my Z2 to my Z5P soon.

theskig said:
What about Miracast (screen mirroring)? I lost it on my old "z" unlocking the BL.
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Is it even present to begin with? Google has really been pushing Google Cast as a replacement to Miracast. (as in - use a Chromecast...) I thought Miracast had been removed from stock Android in favor of Google Cast.
If it's present it might be a Sony addon. The Z was released before Miracast support was integrated into stock Android so it had a "nonstandard" implementation.

Entropy512 said:
Is it even present to begin with? Google has really been pushing Google Cast as a replacement to Miracast. (as in - use a Chromecast...) I thought Miracast had been removed from stock Android in favor of Google Cast.
If it's present it might be a Sony addon. The Z was released before Miracast support was integrated into stock Android so it had a "nonstandard" implementation.
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I have a Sony Bravia TV since 2 or 3 years and it uses NFC + Miracast for screen mirroring so I never tried Google cast.

Just rooted. Seems like X-Reality is gone - toggling in between the modes does nothing to the sample image on the screen - Using RomAur1.1

Camera Quality
benengyj said:
Just rooted. Seems like X-Reality is gone - toggling in between the modes does nothing to the sample image on the screen - Using RomAur1.1
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Did the quality of photos and videos taken with the camera drop? Is there a big difference?
What about the sound enhancements, did the sound quality drop?
These are the only things stopping me from rooting...

houboy said:
Did the quality of photos and videos taken with the camera drop? Is there a big difference?
What about the sound enhancements, did the sound quality drop?
These are the only things stopping me from rooting...
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No idea as I haven't really used the phone yet. Only thing I can say is that the sample image in the x-reality menu stays the same no matter which setting is chosen. It worked fine before unlocking.

Could you follow up with some sample pictures if u get a chance?
And some comments on the sound quality

Could you also tell about the camera picture quality? And the low light photos? If possible, please do post a few low light photos. Thanks

houboy said:
Did the quality of photos and videos taken with the camera drop? Is there a big difference?
What about the sound enhancements, did the sound quality drop?
These are the only things stopping me from rooting...
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Same, i'm still using my Z2 since there are no way to root my Z5P without unlocking bootloader. Sucks that we have to wait months before there's a work-around. X-reality and Sound enhancement is really important since i watch all my movies on my Z5P especially 3D movies with VRTube using my VR headset the images are super gorgeous .

Ashray_Vk said:
Could you also tell about the camera picture quality? And the low light photos? If possible, please do post a few low light photos. Thanks
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What you can expect is the NR algorithm gets disabled - not much else.
Some people, including myself, actually prefer when the NR algorithm is gone - it reduces noise but destroys detail. Ideally we'd have RAW support, but so far that's only in the experimental Sony AOSP blobs. (which reminds me, I need to go through the vignetting/distortion cal process on some pictures I took with my Z3...)
aznkairi said:
Same, i'm still using my Z2 since there are no way to root my Z5P without unlocking bootloader. Sucks that we have to wait months before there's a work-around. X-reality and Sound enhancement is really important since i watch all my movies on my Z5P especially 3D movies with VRTube using my VR headset the images are super gorgeous .
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I personally would disagree that these are really important - these are gimmicks that mangle the image/sound. You have a truer representation of the actual content when these are OFF. Also, X-Reality only works with Sony's own player app so it's irrelevant to something like VRTube.

Remote play doesn't work anymore

Entropy512 said:
What you can expect is the NR algorithm gets disabled - not much else.
Some people, including myself, actually prefer when the NR algorithm is gone - it reduces noise but destroys detail. Ideally we'd have RAW support, but so far that's only in the experimental Sony AOSP blobs. (which reminds me, I need to go through the vignetting/distortion cal process on some pictures I took with my Z3...)
I personally would disagree that these are really important - these are gimmicks that mangle the image/sound. You have a truer representation of the actual content when these are OFF. Also, X-Reality only works with Sony's own player app so it's irrelevant to something like VRTube.
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X-Reality does work with some 3rd party apps like MX-Player and i can confirm it works with VRTube, here are some screen shots:
X-Reality off
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
X-Reality on
X-Reality off
X-Reality on

Soo i got a unlocked bl. if theres low light picture quality is SH1T its like a samsung galaxy trend. Only on low light! Theres no other difference on camera quality. Only low light sucks bad
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benengyj said:
Just rooted. Seems like X-Reality is gone - toggling in between the modes does nothing to the sample image on the screen - Using RomAur1.1
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OK so you have rooted! do you have latest software update?? Answer pls. I got the latest update so idk is the root working on it.. I got the E8853 im dont remembet the first numbers lol but it ends with 53 xdddd 6653 or 8853.. 53 anyway no dual. So answer quick thx!

Low light photos still suck compared to Sammy S6 and above/LG G4 and above.
I updated MM yesterday and took snaps today, before and after drmrestore. See attached.
Noise processing was definitely restored.

I want to unlock my bootloader too. But as far as i know i will loose my warranty. That's why i didn't unlock until now

slayerz said:
Low light photos still suck compared to Sammy S6 and above/LG G4 and above.
I updated MM yesterday and took snaps today, before and after drmrestore. See attached.
Noise processing was definitely restored.
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Pardon my ignorance, mate, buy don't you need root to backup your DRMs, in the first place?