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ONE Development (vs) S4 - Thoughts?

Which device seems more likely to get the best development support? Cyanogen(Steve) shared on G+ that he will keep both devices so both should see official CM very soon. The Galaxy phones are way more popular but are split up into many different forums per carrier on XDA. The One seems to only have 3 different threads (why the hell does ATT have its own when it is the same as the international?) and seems like it will be more centralized. Does this split seem like it will put overall development in one phone's favor over the other? I'm so lost with trying to decide between these two phones, I just have to ask. Thoughts? Anyone come from the One X(HTC One S dev was terrible) or S3?

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Which device seems more likely to get the best development support? Cyanogen(Steve) shared on G+ that he will keep both devices so both should see official CM very soon. The Galaxy phones are way more popular but are split up into many different forums per carrier on XDA. The One seems to only have 3 different threads (why the hell does ATT have its own when it is the same as the international?) and seems like it will be more centralized. Does this split seem like it will put overall development in one phone's favor over the other? I'm so lost with trying to decide between these two phones, I just have to ask. Thoughts? Anyone come from the One X(HTC One S dev was terrible) or S3?
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i am not a developer. from what i know from flashing ROMs, phones that have a single chipset (like the HTC one with snapdragon, vs Galaxy S3/S4 tha thad exynos/snapdragon variants) attract more dev support b/c ROMs can be flashed across all carrier versions.
and along with official bootloader unlocking, it appears HTC would attract more devs. i think it will also depend on who releases source code quickly.
again, this is just conjecture based on experience.

I believe I read that HTC already released the source code for the one.
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If I'm not mistaken the galaxy series' are easier to develop for. Having said that I think the one will receive much love just because it's a freakin awesome phone and everybody is going to have on a like Steve.
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It doesn't matter which phone will receive more development because both phones will have a great amount of development anyway.
A Galaxy series phone is always guaranteed to have a lot of dev support and from the devs already supporting the One, with more to come, this will have great continued support aswell.

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Which device seems more likely to get the best development support? Cyanogen(Steve) shared on G+ that he will keep both devices so both should see official CM very soon. The Galaxy phones are way more popular but are split up into many different forums per carrier on XDA. The One seems to only have 3 different threads (why the hell does ATT have its own when it is the same as the international?) and seems like it will be more centralized. Does this split seem like it will put overall development in one phone's favor over the other? I'm so lost with trying to decide between these two phones, I just have to ask. Thoughts? Anyone come from the One X(HTC One S dev was terrible) or S3?
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Really should be in the Q&A
But should receive a generous amount of dev. CM creator Steve put out a wonderful review of the unit. I would suspect this and the S4 will be the major units of 2013 dev wise.

No support for exynos devices. Team hacksung already stated that none of them will buy Samsung phones. They are frustrated due to lack of sources. They already moved to Xperia Z.
Of course, snapdragon version will get support
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Also Koush said on G+ apparently the AT&T and Verizon S4 will have locked bootloaders. It took a lot of work for Adam Outler and others to get the bootloader unlocked for the Note 2 & S3.

KidCarter93 said:
It doesn't matter which phone will receive more development because both phones will have a great amount of development anyway.
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Most of so called "development" is copying other people's work, changing some icons and other images and zipping it up and making a cwm file. There are very few unique and useful mods.
Once some most glaring problems with a phone are fixed, development's job is finished. The rest is photoshopping and winzipping.
I say HTC One has already recevied almost enough development support. Volume button wake is implemented to fight the stupid power button placement problem. Most ROMs have already removed the annoying menu bar. Once custom kernels solve the rest of the problems like slow charging, what else is needed?

I am coming from s3 as i lost my device was thinking to get one this time.
I am also worried about its development.
But i am sure it will get cm rom but i dont think it will get as much aosp rom as galaxy series
And proper development means aosp rom development not some mods and theming
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nitinvaid said:
I am coming from s3 as i lost my device was thinking to get one this time.
I am also worried about its development.
But i am sure it will get cm rom but i dont think it will get as much aosp rom as galaxy series
And proper development means aosp rom development not some mods and theming
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It doesn't matter if the One has less AOSP ROMs than the S4 because as long as they're both high end phones and both have high quality ROMs to choose from, what else matters?
The One will get plenty of AOSP ROMs anyway. Any phone can be used for this following example;
CM is usually one of the first ROMs to be released on a phone, whether that be officially or unofficially. Once CM hits the device, a lot more ROMs appear because a lot of people base their ROMs right off of CM.
Even if CM isn't one of the first ROMs, the only ROMs we'll really see before it are stock based ROMs just like we have in this forum.
Quality NOT quantity!
And proper development doesn't mean AOSP because it wouldn't exactly be hard for me to make a ROM from an existing AOSP ROM. Just add a few simple features and done. That's not proper development in the slightest.
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Lack of development?

Right I know it's too early to guess regarding the development of the Z2, but I checked out the Z1 subforum, and I'm unimpressed to be honest.
The Z1 was released September 2013. The HTC M8 was released April this year. The M8 is fast approaching the number of threads/kernels/ROMS.
Why are the Sony devices being left behind? I'm still waiting for my Z2, but I have something in the back of mind telling me the M8 will excel with development and stay updated/refreshed longer.
Any thoughts?

I have an M8 and a Z1 - awaiting my preorder of the Z2.
I'm actually selling the m8 as I actually prefer the Z1 over it. For me I much prefer look and feel and to be fair the only thing that I feel I will miss will be the gestures etc. However I believe some of those will be on the Z2 so no biggie.
The other is the screen as the z1 is inferior in that dept. But most important for me the Z1 pisses all over the M8 camera everyday.
So for me development or not I'm happy with stock and the far superior camera (like I said that is very important to me).
Can't wait to get my Z2.
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This is something I am worried about too. Doesnt look like many developers / cooks are going for sony devices. M8 and S5 forums are already brimming with kernels / mods / roms (I know z2 is yet to be released worldwide) but there is only a very limited amount available even for z1.

Part fun of being in this community is the development. To be honest, I find it more interesting to follow a device that's an underdog from the beginning. I went and looked in the Z1 development part of XDA and I saw CM11 ,paranoidandroid... Thats enough for me by far. It will be fun to study how Z2 develops.
I have no fear, only joy.

This also bugs me a lot. I currently have HTC desire HD which came with 2.2. So far I have flashed 2.3 4.0.4 4.1 4.2 4.3 and 4.4. Till 4.1 I have flashed both sense and asop roms. Does Z2 will keep up like this?
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The good old Desire HD one of the best phones I've had. I'm still using a sensation at the moment because of the brilliant devs on this site.
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Lack of need for "development" was one of the reasons why I ordered a Z2.After four years of Samsung on my i9000 and i9300 and the need to root it to remove the bloat,wherafter "enjoying " the "development of CM / PA/ Slimrom etc ,and the frustration of the poor results of this development,
I decided to go for the best phone available atm because Sony stays very close to "stock "android the way I enjoy it on my N7.
Maybe from now on I can only enjoy this beautifull phone without ending up running around in circles as a "flash.a.holic" again.
For those who wish to persist in their "flashing" habits : good luck with it....

mushtafa said:
The good old Desire HD one of the best phones I've had. I'm still using a sensation at the moment because of the brilliant devs on this site.
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Sony plan on releasing a new flagship every 6 months so they will quickly leave you behind in official updates, so really one would hope that they can benefit from ROMs.
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brouwerchris said:
Lack of need for "development" was one of the reasons why I ordered a Z2.After four years of Samsung on my i9000 and i9300 and the need to root it to remove the bloat,wherafter "enjoying " the "development of CM / PA/ Slimrom etc ,and the frustration of the poor results of this development,
I decided to go for the best phone available atm because Sony stays very close to "stock "android the way I enjoy it on my N7.
Maybe from now on I can only enjoy this beautifull phone without ending up running around in circles as a "flash.a.holic" again.
For those who wish to persist in their "flashing" habits : good luck with it....
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Meant to quote you in post above
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Samsung S3 ownwers are left behind on 4.3,their choice : stay on 4.3 or use any of the CM/PA/Slimrom 4.4.2 Roms.
This leads to a phone with the latest android version,the price you have to pay for it: camera malfunction,bluetooth sound stutters and sound issues for heavy gamers are only a few of the problems.I went up and down between 4.3 and 4.4.2 many times and learned my lesson ;better stay on the version thats working properly ( Samsungs Rom )
Sony updates all Z phones to Kitkat in may,so even with a Z of one year old you are not left behind.
Even if Sony leaves me behind at any time in future I will remember the lessons learned....

I'll release an early cm build next week if all goes well
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brouwerchris said:
Samsung S3 ownwers are left behind on 4.3,their choice : stay on 4.3 or use any of the CM/PA/Slimrom 4.4.2 Roms.
This leads to a phone with the latest android version,the price you have to pay for it: camera malfunction,bluetooth sound stutters and sound issues for heavy gamers are only a few of the problems.I went up and down between 4.3 and 4.4.2 many times and learned my lesson ;better stay on the version thats working properly ( Samsungs Rom )
Sony updates all Z phones to Kitkat in may,so even with a Z of one year old you are not left behind.
Even if Sony leaves me behind at any time in future I will remember the lessons learned....
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Samsung S3 has the exynos chipset, that makes it harder to develop for, but the kitkat roms on there aren't as buggy as you say, they will most likely be stable by the time Sony finally rolls out their kitkat update to the Z (possibly it's last update ever knowing Sony). I personally hate the idea of buying a Smartphone and in a year it feels ancient and like a thing from the past, I am not rich enough to update my phone so often and most contracts are lasting 2 years. The aftercare you get from Sony is too poor for me personally

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I'll release an early cm build next week if all goes well
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Any idea of rooting this phone with locked bootloader? so we all can happily back up the TA partition.

While we're on the subject, is there a guide I can read explaining this Sony stuff? Mainly regarding the root process/DRM keys etc etc?
I'm new to Sony

mushtafa said:
While we're on the subject, is there a guide I can read explaining this Sony stuff? Mainly regarding the root process/DRM keys etc etc?
I'm new to Sony
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This is all about DRM/TA partition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292598

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I'll release an early cm build next week if all goes well
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@krabappel2548: Might be too early to ask you this question, but doesn't do any harm to ask I guess.
I really can't wait to replace the stock ROM with CM, but on the other hand I wouldn't want to loose functionality that is ROM specific, most importantly camera functions. As far as I understand it is not possible to install the Sony stock camera in another ROM because it comes with a whole framework (which I guess can't be ported?!). In addition to that I'm under the impression that previous versions of the xperia Z shot better pictures in low light with the stock ROM.
Do you know if we're gonna loose the camera app and it's features or is it possible to port it over to CM?
If you could shed some light onto this issue, I would appreciate that.

Hopefully there'll be GP edition of this!
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hillbicks said:
@krabappel2548: Might be too early to ask you this question, but doesn't do any harm to ask I guess.
I really can't wait to replace the stock ROM with CM, but on the other hand I wouldn't want to loose functionality that is ROM specific, most importantly camera functions. As far as I understand it is not possible to install the Sony stock camera in another ROM because it comes with a whole framework (which I guess can't be ported?!). In addition to that I'm under the impression that previous versions of the xperia Z shot better pictures in low light with the stock ROM.
Do you know if we're gonna loose the camera app and it's features or is it possible to port it over to CM?
If you could shed some light onto this issue, I would appreciate that.
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No, stock camera app won't work on cm, but you can always use 3rd party apps
I'm almost finished with device tree for Z2
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krabappel2548 said:
No, stock camera app won't work on cm, but you can always use 3rd party apps
I'm almost finished with device tree for Z2
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Well, it seems like the Sony camera is way better than any 3rd party camera out there, that's why I asked. I'll open up a new thread and see where that takes us.
btw. do you think we will be able to backup the TA partition on the Z2? I still haven't rooted my device

I think as Android improves with every iteration, OEMs are slowly learning that simple is good. The stock feature set on the Z2 is fantastic, as in the camera. Less and less people are going to be willing to sacrifice things like the native camera app when the perceived benefit of switching to a custom ROM diminishes.
Personally, the first thing I did when I got my Z2 was install Google Now Launcher for a vanilla Android look and feel, but I wouldn't even consider doing a build of my ROM for this phone at this point in time because the stock features are brilliant a they are.
I don't think lack of development is an indicator of an unsuccessful phone anymore, but rather the opposite.
HTC devices are inherently going to have a lot of development as long as they continue with Sense, because Sense is such a user polarizer.

I think the current state of the factory ROM after .55 update is quite stable with some small issues. I am content with the current ROM. It is snappy, no lag and smooth. No carton-ish icons or effects like the Samsung phones

Unlocked M8 to see Android 4.4.4, Eye Experience update Oct 14

Source: http://m.androidcentral.com/unlocked-htc-one-m8-see-camera-update-444-starting-tomorrow
According to a message posted by HTC's Mo Versi on Twitter, the metal-clad flagship smartphone will be getting an update starting tomorrow that brings with it Android 4.4.4 along with the latest HTC Eye Experience software that was announced alongside the HTC Desire Eye.
The software will bring features like enhanced face tracking, split capture, and more.
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Has anybody received the OTA yet? It is assumed that the update will be rolled out gradually to unlocked M8s. No exact date was given on when carrier editions will see the update and Eye software, but the devs here at XDA will probably have it ported in no time!
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This is so exciting, time to flash sense back on, had a good run with GPE.

Don't we have the M8 Updates thread for this?

It's already ported, check the dev forum

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Thread has been closed. There is a stickied thread: [Discussion] HTC One M8 - Updates for all information regarding updates.
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News: M9+ to receive Android M

Great news! Hopefully they'll keep the promise
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-external-link/htc-one-m9-and-one-m9-will-receive-android-m/
tweet: https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/603967834788536320

http://www.androidpit.com/android-m-release-date-news-features-name
3. Fingerprint support
Google will "standardize support" for fingerprint scanners on phones running Android M. The new functionality will allow fingerprint scanners to be used not only to unlock phones, but to make purchases shopping in real-life or within Play Store apps.

This is a given since this device just literally came out. Its HTC way of marketing.

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This is a given since this device just literally came out. Its HTC way of marketing.
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well, that's right, but anyway I'm really happy and looking forward towards two things:
- Fingerprint scanner, that @yvtc75 mentioned
- Battery improvements
I also wonder when android 5.1 stock will roll out for m9 and m9+. I see that m8 is getting it in august, but no info yet for m9+. https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/600573769111994368
Tho @LlabTooFeR mentioned interesting new features for m9 here: https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/602939102250586112
Hopefully m9+ will be kept in synch

We know it's hTC way of marketing.
When M9+ firstly announced in Beijing,we recognized this device as China-exclusive.
In this thread,many people have a doubt about its support and software update in the future.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/htc-one-m9-plus-vs-htc-one-m9-t3086491
As time goes by M9+ came out to more and more countries...India,Malaysia,Taiwan...UAE...etc..
Now, hTC official twitter account announced the coming update of M9+ with M9 and then ...... we believe this is a given.

Will the M9+ get Android 7.0 Nougat?

Thanks to HTC's hard work, we've finally receive the long awaited Marshmallow updates. With that said, there's another question that is left unanswered. Will HTC continue to support this device with the new Android, the Nougat 7.0?

Nope. This is a worst phone from HTC I've ever had

No... The update was supposed to come in Q1 as stated by an offical HTC employee, so if that is the case then it will be cutting it pretty close. So much for the "90-day update promise"
You can check this link to see if the update sources have been released for the M9+:
http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads

i wish i had bought m9 instead m9+

It is frustrating not to have the 6 update yet, but ultimately there isn't that much you are missing out on. Plus, I value the fingerprint button, so I definitely don't wish I had the M9.

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It is frustrating not to have the 6 update yet, but ultimately there isn't that much you are missing out on. Plus, I value the fingerprint button, so I definitely don't wish I had the M9.
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I love this phone too, even though the fingerprint button seems to fail sometimes forcing me to use PIN (dunno why)... anyway I haven't seen any lag so far and I am definetelly happy with the performance... So maybe I'll have to wait a bit longer for the M update, but that's just something that happens and does not mean this phone is a piece of crap at all...

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i wish i had bought m9 instead m9+
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i also have M9+. fingerprint scanner and 2K resolution is plus point as compared to M9

Maybe they will think to jump again to android N
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First quarter have been finished with out update ,,, very disappointed
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Yeah i hope we will get this update soon.
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I got the supreme camera edition and I am still waiting too. I don't know why older phone like desire Eye and M8 already got it and our phone not yet.

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I got the supreme camera edition and I am still waiting too. I don't know why older phone like desire Eye and M8 already got it and our phone not yet.
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Don't hold your breathe, MTK is notorious about bad update support, even HTC can change little about this. I'd be surprised if it happens in April

tbalden said:
Don't hold your breathe, MTK is notorious about bad update support, even HTC can change little about this. I'd be surprised if it happens in April
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Hopefully. This is very amazing phone and the fingerprint is awesome, with M it will be better for all the additional functions. Hopefully the upgrade will be released soon. I remember that one important developer published a roadmap foe the upgrade and for my one was the Q1 2016. I am a bit disappointed for this because some old phone already got it, but I live HTC because the smartphone are the best one.

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Don't hold your breathe, MTK is notorious about bad update support, even HTC can change little about this. I'd be surprised if it happens in April
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Yup... Second that.
But.....
I would look forward to receiving the update very soon.
I recalled the device, ONE X9, got the android M with MTK chip(MT6795T) same as M9+.
Stay tuned.....

They are focusing on the most sold devise now . M8 & M9 ( M9 the one I trade it for the plus . )
Hope we'll receive the update before the launch of the #powered10 , otherwise sense 8 should be considered

Hi there!
I'm actually thinking to buy an M9 plus supreme camera edition and I was just searching about the Android 6.0 update...I hope this is just a delay and that the updated with eventually comes out. By the way I have 3 questions about this phone and I'm sorry if I'm out of topic but I think that I can find some users here better than open a new thread.
1) I'm in Italy and here this phone is imported, not officialy sold by HTC so what about warranty? I can manage to buy one a used one from a guy but then I'll be totaly uncovered?
2) Standard M9 has Qualcomm 810 which get hot but should performs well, this M9 plus supreme camera has a mediatek Helio x10, how does it perform? I want HTC also because software responsiveness is one of the best on android phones.
3) My operator carrier operates on 4G with these frequences: 800 MHz, 1800 MHz, 2600 MHz while the HTC one M9 plus supreme camera supports
FDD-LTE：B1 (2100MHz)/ B3 (1800MHz)/ B5 (850MHz)/ B7 (2600MHz)/ B8 (900MHz)/ B28 (700MHz)
TD-LTE：B38 (2600MHz)/ B39 (1900MHz)/ B40 (2300MHz)/ B41 (2600MHz)
So basycally it miss the 800 Mhz would that be a problem?

battery performance is very bad... we want 6.0...

Just bought today an HTC One M9 plus supreme camera edition and as for this very start moments I do like it, it seems very very fast. It's running android 5.0.2, I don't know if it's the last version avaible for this phone. I suggest that we start asking HTC directly when 6.0 update will comes out!!

Relax guys. I asked llabtoofer for more informations:
https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/718024179761692672
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Raikuna said:
Relax guys. I asked llabtoofer for more informations:
https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/718024179761692672
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Good to hear, supreme camera edition get same updates of standard M9 plus?
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