All you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about AT&T and the Atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the Atrix then don't get it! If you don't like AT&T then don't get the Atrix! There are TONS of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is FORCING you to buy the phone or have AT&T if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...I have 3 lines on AT&T and one on Sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4G ALL of them do!
and by posting this you start a flame war. was it really necessary?
Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Lol...yes I did misspell AT&T in the title.....
I just was frustrated with all the troll postings about this phone. People come to learn about this phone. Not have to wade through all the negative postings about AT&T and the new phone. Its almost as if by design they are trying to discourage interest in the Atrix.....
Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Well you don't need to hold the device to know about the tethering rip off. Or double a netbook price for a screen, battery, and keyboard.
The phone itself isn't garnering much $ complaints as far as I've seen.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
It seems as though all those that continuously beet down the Atrix secretly like it, because if I don't like something I move on. Why some need to be negative over and over and over with every post is beyond me.
jamezr said:
all you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about at&t and the atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the atrix then don't get it! If you don't like at&t then don't get the atrix! There are tons of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is forcing you to buy the phone or have at&t if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...i have 3 lines on at&t and one on sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4g all of them do!
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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You have a point,,,we are all here to discuss and exchange info on the new phone and everything involved or about it. But it just seems like most of what I have been seeing was so negative. Thing is no one knows yet. No one has a bill saying this is what it was before and this what it is now....There just seemed to be a lot posters trolling with negative posts when no one knows yet. I want to discuss the phone and its new technical aspects and the carrier but not have to wade through all the blatant negativity.....
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Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic [sic] cost 12 million dollars [sic] because someone else didn't do the r&d [sic] and make it?
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The Honda Civic isn't the world's first car. Guess what, even if the Civic cost $12 million, it isn't up to you what it costs. If you don't like it, you are free to start your own company and build your own car. Failing that, you can shop elsewhere. Trolling the Honda Civic forums is probably not the best idea you could come up with, however. Perhaps you could visit the forum of a car that you do own, or a car that you can afford to buy when it comes out.
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks [sic].
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The pricing is what it is. If you can't afford it, get a better job so that you can. Anyone can find out the price of the Atrix and its accessories, and you calling their pricing 'ridiculous' doesn't help anyone here. Everyone can make up their own mind about the pricing, and decide for themselves whether or not they would like to buy the phone and/or its accessories.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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You're welcome!
I wanted to solicit a few opinions on this. Let me start out by saying, selling my G2 isn't purely for profit. A friend wants to buy it, and would pay a reasonable price for it. I also want to note that I received the phone in exchange for building and testing a new computer for a friend.
I have the stock card in it, always had a screen protector, and snap on case. Phone is in perfect condition.
The phone is rooted with CM7 and I would wipe and reinstall CM7 or any other GB ROM before selling it.
Is $200 too much to ask for the phone, or is that a low ball? Looking to maintain karma with a good friend, but not cheat myself, either.
Opinions?
Sounds about right for a friend you're trying to give a good deal. The rooting doesn't necessarily add a ton of value to it if its for a friend (or in general, for that matter). And especially if he's not technologically inclined to use root features.
I bought my G2 lightly used w/ a 16gb SD card for $285 on craigslist if that's any indication for you of a price ballpark. I think I got a pretty good deal on it.
Yea that is a good asking price for it and testing and doing something for another friend to get it wasn't a bad deal ether LOL. but its all on you for how much you want for if your giving him a pretty good deal. I got mine at the store for around 160-170 and I already had the 16gb sdcard but look what the other poster said he paid. cuz I do see them going brand new with box and everything for 300 you know good thing always come back to good people you know
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rooting really does add value, just like the device being carrier unlocked...ON EBAY. ebay is full of people that think rooting and unlocked is basically the holy grail because they are not smart enough to read here and follow instructions.
if i was selling my G2 to a FRIEND, id ask between 200-250 for it, basically being nice and saying its half of full retail and no contract needed.
on ebay, id ask minimum 325 for it on auction, and would make a second chance offer if reserve didnt make it to 325 for no less than 290.
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rooting really does add value, just like the device being carrier unlocked...ON EBAY. ebay is full of people that think rooting and unlocked is basically the holy grail because they are not smart enough to read here and follow instructions.
if i was selling my G2 to a FRIEND, id ask between 200-250 for it, basically being nice and saying its half of full retail and no contract needed.
on ebay, id ask minimum 325 for it on auction, and would make a second chance offer if reserve didnt make it to 325 for no less than 290.
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Yep you nailed it. On eBay/Craigslist, rooting adds a lot of value. For a friend, not so much because hopefully you'd be nice enough to root it for him if it wasn't already . I sold my Evo on Craigslist for a premium cuz it was rooted. And that was a one-click root method phone lol.
So we had the same state of mind when we both sold are EVOs. I sold mine mint with everything and case and was rooted to crazy land with everything you could think of lol. And the guy begged me to sell it to him and I use every cent on half paying off my cancellation fee of 150 and used the rest to get my g2. Rooting and unlocking phone dose up the value. but if your on Craigslist and want the g2 and see that your charging store price just because yours is unlocked and rooted already. of course I'm going to get the one that's less money and do it myself. and not pay store price I got lucky when I saw that true s-off unlocks the phone while rooting that was a win win for me right there. just incase I want to sell my phone I kept everything and its unlocked and rooted
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Give another example, I had a blackberry 9650 and storm 2. The bold had os6 leak on it, storm 2 had nothing special. Both phones I had sim unlocked from verizon, cost me nothing.
I paid 100 bucks new for the bold and verizon because of all of their screwups gave it to me for free with no contract.
I sold the storm for 290 and bold for 265. Both were unlocked. Not too bad lol
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I don't know if I'm allowed to post this or not so if not please close it down.
I bought a transformer a couple days after release, I got a little too caught up in the hype and paid $25 for one in a sealed box on craigslist.
Long story short, It's nice but I don't care for the physical size of it. I'm going to wait on the Galaxy tab 10.1. I have it posted on craigslist at the moment but I know alot of people here are still looking for one.
So, if you live in the DC/Southern Maryland area or are willing to drive and you are interested please contact me via PM or email me at [email protected]
I'm only interested in selling to someone who is willing to meet me to pick it up and pay cash, no paypal or shipping, sorry it's too much of a pain in the ass and too risky.
I'm asking $500 for it (I paid $525). I am willing to go as low as $425 however that's the best I can do.
It is in brand new condition. I used it for 1 day before I decided it was too big for me and I'd rather wait on the 10.1. It is currently rooted with clockwork recovery and running Prime Rom version 1.3. I can return it to stock if you prefer.
BAN!!!!!!!
you can't post sales here...
and the TF is slightly bigger than Xoom because it needs to fit in the kb dock
What a way to sell something: "I'm asking $500 for it (I paid $525). I am willing to go as low as $425"
You're collecting money in exchange for a product/service, it's selling. Just eBay it man, you'll get much more for it.
Not trying 2 rag you but.....will someone really pay ABOVE retail for something used that you have been jacking around with???
If so, send them my way when ur done. I have a 3 story beach-front in the Mojave I need to unload. (4 a great price of course)
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Sorry guys, no sales outside the Marketplace
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Has anyone seen or used this website Cashforsmartphones.com? I was wondering how good their service is. They are offering $200 for selling them your Droid X, unless it has a cracked screen, doesn't power up, or if it is missing the battery. They give you way more than Verizon's Trade in program.
Never heard of it before but they are offering 25 for my Storm 9530 where VZW is only offering 2.80. Since I have two 9530s, i'll trade one in and see if I get the full 25.
Doesn't make sense. The ebay price is about $200 for the X, where is their profit? It's in telling you your phone was more used than the quote and now we are giving you $100.
I just sold my Blackberry Storm 2 on there for $100. I'm waiting on the packaging stuff to be delivered. Verizon wanted $44 for it.
Hope you guys respond back to this thread with whether or not that site's legit, I'd love to know for certain.
I was also curious about this website and how legit their buisness is. I wasnt able to find many reviews about it but i did stumble upon a topic on the macrumors forum for people trying to sell their old iphones. I imagine the same experience they had would apply to any item you were trying to sell.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=717337
For those who don't want to read the whole thing, lets just say you should stay FAR away from that site and the sister sites as well (cashforlaptops/ipads/berrys/iphones). They will give you a nice quote and then lowball you once you send in the device. If you ask for it back then they will up the offer just a little, but still nowhere close to the original "quote".
Do a bit of searching and if they're 1) not brand new and 2) don't have rampant negative reviews then you'll probably be alright.
gazelle.com is legit and offer's decent rates. Also they bump the offer a little if you take an Amazon gift card.
Hey guys,
I have been a XDA lurker for a while. I am looking at getting the P6800. I seemed to have found a site that is offering to import it at a wholesale price. It all seems fishy to me but I figured I would see what all of you had to say...
Ummmmmm
I think that website is 100% authentic. I would jump on it before they are gone!
what is the site?
Exactly my point in my reply...
I have some nice land for sale in Florida .... great deal too...
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So whats the name of the site? I got mine from one in Hong Kong at a really cheap price
I dunno, this seems a bit fishy. First post to XDA and asking for people to check out a website....Good thing they can't post links yet.
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I dunno, this seems a bit fishy. First post to XDA and asking for people to check out a website....Good thing they can't post links yet.
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You could be right, it may be an employee looking to get people talking about there products or drum up some bushiness! But they did join in 2009.
But to be fair i very rarely post as I am not as well endowed as many on here (with the skills needed for dev work that is and I don't look forward to being flamed), i have bought my device from HK, quick delivery and having followed the guidance on another forum can confirm its genuine, Samsung accepted it on my product account, tested perfect and everything people ask. The one thing I did note was the description on the package for customs, again reading elsewhere, it may get held up but the owners of the website say there paying import duty, hope this helps.
Haha, sorry guy's being new I was only allowed to post every 5 minutes or something like that. Basically I got distracted...
buyingstore [dot] co [dot] uk/index [dot] php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8137&off_id=B006UAOE42
at 230 bucks for a 3g model is probably too good to be true, this tablet probably costs more than 200 bucks to manufacture alone, so at 230 I doubt it. googling reveals this
http://www.scamadviser.com/is-buyingstore.co.uk-safe.html
Oh, yeah. That's gotta be bull****.
Its so tempting. I have thought about using my credit card so it would be easier to dispute the charges if fake.
It look just enough like amazon not to get sued
did you decide to order from here in the end?
There is a zero percent chance that that is legit. The price is way too low and I'm willing to bet they don't have a good way of contacting them.
It's not worth the risk. If you really want one then look for a more reputable site.
I am still waiting for my income tax return but I have decided that I will be going with a reputable source.
Thank you guy's for your input.
Agree its not worth the risk, thanks for the input.
Really like this device but cant help but hold out to see if the google tab becomes a reality
I may buy one from HK, I need the Calling features, and from HK they're about 600