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Will pure AOSP Froyo ROM ever be a reality on Samsung Galaxy S devices?

Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.

WhiteWidows said:
Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html

jodue said:
you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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This contradicts what I read elsewhere for the better Ill see if I can locate where I read this at, If this is the case why is there no custom roms besides Cyanogenmod? Where is a AOSP roms at? Or is the device just that new nothing is out yet? If this is true Ill be getting the Epic over the Evo

Wifi tether comes with the device, and I have to say I haven't had any problems with its use so far
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While trying this and putting my N1 aside, I'm surprised how much I'm missing FroYo
Any devs that would care to comment on the possibility of a FroYo port for the SGS?

jodue said:
you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.

riz157 said:
sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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What nonsense

I'm a little confused about the situation with ROMs myself, coming from the Windows Mobile world. If the entire source to the build of Android on the Galaxy S is available, surely it's possible to change anything, theoretically? It also seems that the bootloader has no or negligible security as to what it can flash.
On the other hand, I've seen claims that it would be impossible to get Froyo or any future Android updates if Samsung don't release them first (I know they've committed to Froyo). Unless the driver model changes dramatically in Froyo, which I doubt since then new drivers would be required for every phone, why would it be any more difficult to port newer versions of Android to the Galaxy S than any other phone?

riz157 said:
sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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Why do you say this? I purchased mine today and so far am very satisfied with
the phone.

Just testing xda app.
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you must be mistaken there mate
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No, it's just that there are different components and layers which can be considered open or "locked down", and you both use different ones.
The bootloader for the samsung galaxy is not locked.
But there is an argument by the XDA forum member psychoace that some of the drivers for the galaxy S were not open sourced, and that in earlier android devices from samsung this made it very hard to create ROMs which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
As far as I know, this argument from psychoace was never countered, and so I see no reason not to believe it. (I did not look over the sources myself yet).
So can someone port new versions of Android over to the Galaxy S after Samsung has abandoned the device? I really don't know, but I wouldn't count on it, until someone who has experience with making custom ROMs says it is realistic.

The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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riz157 said:
The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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as far as i understand it, the lagging issues are just because of the touchwiz and especially the samsung-widgets. removing the widgets and replacing the luncher with luncher-pro/adw will be the first thing i do when i have the device in my hands. on the other side: the hardware of the galaxy s is very good in my opinion!
@bookwormat:
i think you are wrong! i have read in some forums that samsung has released the drivers for 2.1 together with all other code! in fact i am just pulling the code (including the full kernel) from the samsung open source center (http://opensource.samsung.com/). it's huge, 148MB ... when it's finished i will give it a look an confirm what's in there and what not.

You might just want to take into consideration the fact that the Nexus and Desire had some problems as well right after launch.
The nexus took some time ( a couple of months) to set things straight, the Desire- A couple of weeks only. But it's understandable, since it's 95% identical to the nexus, so HTC probably knew what is going to be problematic.
Also, you're taking things to major extremes. You make it sound like the device is catastrophically slow to the level of being unuseable, and crashes every 2 minutes.
Reality, well, is different. The longest lag i had personally is 1.5 seconds when loading asphalt 5. Every other lag when opening an app- less than half a second.
I'd also like you to refrain from stating one personal problem as a bug in the device, you are the only known member in this forum that is having trouble with the keyboard.
A little search in MoDaCo forums reveals that some users are reporting slight problems with the keyboard, but it's limited to Firmware JG01 only.
It's sad that instead of taking a moment to see if you can solve these problems or helping others find a solution, you preffer to bash the device in every occasion.

For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
For me it's really an awesome phone that comes with some minor annoyances that seem entirely caused by the fact that it's brand new. So far it appears that Samsung is putting a lot of effort in maturing the software and I expect the issues to be solved within a matter of weeks. In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Battery life is very good after the first initial cycles.
GPS doesn't work right you may all ***** about that.
I'm sure I would be happy with the new HTC's, or even the iphone 4 (the thought of buying into apple's nasty attitude does make me cringe a bit) but I would still choose the SGS again providing they fix the gps.

Perhaps I'm being over critical but there are serious flaws with this device, there is no denying this.
GPS not working - there doesn't seem to be a solution, can't use copilot or googlemaps.
Lagging/freezing - changed to launcher pro not as bad but still occurs.
I hope the boys at samy are working hard to find fixes for these problems. If there are solutions then please guide me to them.
Don't get me wrong this device has potential and there alot of good features but due to issues mentioned above it just ruins the users experience.
I paid good money for this device not so that I could put it down but to use it. I'm just stating my experience for the benefit of others who maybe considering to buy this device.
If there are solutions wonderful p

dakine said:
For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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I really dont uderstand all this gps not working talk.I use co pilot a lot and its extremely accurate and keeps lock in all weathers.Googe maps works indoors to within a house or so and out side gets me within 15 feet or so.I did have gps issues initially until I flashed firmware and factory reset.My i8910 hd had better gps but that was an exeptional phone for gps

Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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Download the update.zip file from this thread.
Or direct link here
Copy the file to the internal storage card of the phone using Kies or whatever method you like.
Disconnect the usb cable
Turn off the phone
Press and hold these buttons at the same time: volume up+home+power, keep them pressed until you see the samsung logo.
Use volume rocker to navigate to update.zip and then press home to select.
Phone will reboot and you are now rooted with superuser.
The whole process takes less than 5 minutes.
I'm not responsible for anything

I like the phone but there are problems
1.keyboard has dup presses... solved with HTC keyboard. Also l key in portrait mode doesn't always work.
2. Gps lock not as good or reliable as my I 8910
3. StallING.. fix fixed it the only program that has a lag to load is sygic.
4. Image resizing not working well in gallery and web.
5. Still doesn't always switch back to 3g from edge. Jg1 is better than previous.
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[Q] When will the official samsung update come?... and more.

Yes iknow it is impossible to answer, but since this is my first samsung device i have no clue how they do this, do they normaly release small software updates often, or few big ones a while?
Seing that P1000XXJM6 is leaked ( im all new on the galaxy tab forum, might be a newer one) makes me think that samsung will soon release a update with the changes?
i mean they cant wait for the android 2.3 update can they? If browser problems have been fixed and so on then i really want to root and get the newest version asap, but if i could wait a few weeks and get a official one, then i would.
If i start rooting and all, should i then feel safe about the future of my device, in other words, if samsung releases official firmware, will i be able to get it through xda? ( my guess is, yes but i would love an answer anyway)

let me say it like this:
do you really think if there is an official 2.3 released before some inofficial leaks will hit the ground? i don´t think so. anyway, if you are able to install a leak, for sure you will be able to install new official......
so why wait?

Dude that was not what i said. I was just. Wondering about samsung would release a update soon since there is this much improved new version out i mean wouldn't that make sense?
Well i wanna root and go custom but i see so many with problems and it seems like some loose features aswell like phone? Just want to have prober firmware on my tab and i thought that the whole root and flash thing would get better, safer and more polished? Maybe im all wrong, just through things where so much easier in the winmo days, maybe i just need to adapt, and get into it.
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if you think something makes sense, then wait...
if you have no experience with android flashing firmwares and/or rooting so you have to choose between staying "legal" and waiting with kies that samsung releases and you learn nothing as trust in big god samsung, or
-> you read 2 days and when you have it clear just try. you can go out as loser with a totally bricked tab or you win and have newer firmware and perhaps also more "freedom" on your device.
but if you choose the first way-> you will never know what it is and just keep talking about problems THE OTHERS has, dude.....
i could solve every described problem til now, because in this forum you find a lot of answers if you´re patiently reading and looking for......

Thanks for answering, just did not like your tone, i HAVE read most of the important treads and it is still not totally clear to me since there is so many different responses and you say you can solve everything while rooted, well, i really doubt that, i am not stupid neither naive.
Just wanted to know how Samsung usually did it with updates to their phones ( now tablet). Did not want a lecture, since i do not really need one, or at least not like that
Like i wrote i was thinking of rooting, but i was just wondering if i could expect Samsung to do updates to fix bugs in the nearest future, since the firmware version is already out there or if i might wait til thier 2.3 update to get anything.
I did not mean to be rude btw sorry if it came out that way.

Anyone planning custom CM14 roms for the Sprint Galaxy S4?

Would love to hear of any news regarding any or all custom roms or wips for the Sprint Galaxy S4 in CM 14 (7.0) flavors?
Really hoping that our little three year old device is getting at least a custom version of it. Have been happy with the dev previews and how well googles made it so far.
If there's another threads regarding this or that explain indepth more about it. Do please link me to them.
Would be much appreciated.
-Willy

The first one we will be able to boot will probably be the i9505s Android n. Right now it doesn't work on mine. Then soon after cm14 will come out for it, then a few others. I might Mike a tweaked cm14... but I'm not sure.

RDChase said:
The first one we will be able to boot will probably be the i9505s Android n. Right now it doesn't work on mine. Then soon after cm14 will come out for it, then a few others. I might Mike a tweaked cm14... but I'm not sure.
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I see, well those do seem to be the bases for most custom roms. At least from what I've see previously, although if they do get it successfully done (have seen some boot and working well). I'll have more faith that this little bugger can last me another year. If not I can always upgrade to a note model and mod that.
Thanks for the reply, really hoping we get someone good working on this.

Yeah, I really hope there can be a CM14 rom for this phone. I can't get a new phone, so I hope for the best, and if not... CM13 isn't that bad I guess.

Cheese014 said:
Yeah, I really hope there can be a CM14 rom for this phone. I can't get a new phone, so I hope for the best, and if not... CM13 isn't that bad I guess.
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Honestly I'm running CM13 atm, and it's been perfect so far with a couple xposed mods. A couple features could be reworked and fixed. But nonetheless it's been running perfectly, hell even battery got better. The s4 if updated even on cm13 is still gonna last a very very long time. Mine will probably see use well into 2017-2018. Even after I get the note 3 or 4.
But hey lets keep praying and hoping man. I really do hope they can for us, like they just got it running (albeit it not daily) on a 7 year old device made for windows (don't quote me on that). So lets hope

Any hope in development?

In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?

RileyIssKing said:
In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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I purchased this phone coming from an Iphone 6Plus, thinking I could definitely obtain root on the most sold android phone still in use. Nope. Pretty disappointing as I think it may be the best phone ever made.

RileyIssKing said:
In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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I didn't do enough research before buying S7. Coming from Nexus 6p this is really foreign to me. I saw s7 had root but didn't look into the 2 different processors, all the different carriers (it doesn't matter on Nexus devices.)
Far as Development goes...its probably not going to happen unless someone finds a way to unlock the bootloader. Next best thing might be Safe Strap but afaik there's nothing in the works.
For now I'm making the best of it. I'm having a decent experience with the Eng kernel. Currently looking into the nonrooted Rom. My hope is I'll be able to make some changes (like installing viper) then switching to the stock boot.img and trying to make those changes stick. Supposedly it's possible but I'm still trying to get some guidance. Experimenting with this phone sucks because the process for root is pretty long then setting everything up THEN it might not work so back to square one.

Especially once done with purchase plan or contract (should you have one) and out of warranty. After that point, it's mine to do with as I please! (I know, should be able to do it whenever, but I'm playing by their rules for a minute.) So it's already BS for those who bought first few months and have paid off.
Personally, what is driving me crazy is battery drain. I'm running about 144k on AnTuTu, so no major complaints with performance, but plugging it in more than once a day sucks. Power drain when I'm not doing anything: sucks. I know it's all this useless crapware running in the background, even tho I killed some with Package Disabler Pro. Just addressing that would improve my mood. If AT&T is trying to ensure we'll all look very carefully at unlocked phones next time, they are doing a bang-up job.

Any current development??

Every where i look the Qualcomm moto e4 custom development is stagnant. Not even security updates. Does anyone know if anything's happening for this phone??...............
I've been trying to teach myself everything i can about Android but I'm not at the level where i can code the OS to my preference.
Thank you for any and all help

neojpl said:
Every where i look the Qualcomm moto e4 custom development is stagnant. Not even security updates. Does anyone know if anything's happening for this phone??...............
I've been trying to teach myself everything i can about Android but I'm not at the level where i can code the OS to my preference.
Thank you for any and all help
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OTAs on stock seem relatively current (XT1768). Toss in Xposed framework and a few well regarded modules and there is no need to muck with a custom ROM and the associated headaches. I know...stock sucks by definition just because it isn't custom or carry a boss name. iDK bro - I kinda like to use my device vs manage it. Radical.

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OTAs on stock seem relatively current (XT1768). Toss in Xposed framework and a few well regarded modules and there is no need to muck with a custom ROM and the associated headaches. I know...stock sucks by definition just it isn't custom or carry a boss name. iDK bro - I kinda like to use my device vs manage it. Radical.
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My pc stopped working for no apparent reason. Or i would definitely be back on stock w/xposed. Thanks

neojpl said:
Every where i look the Qualcomm moto e4 custom development is stagnant. Not even security updates. Does anyone know if anything's happening for this phone??...............
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I was wondering the same thing. Just got a boost xt1766 which (from what I read) I had to put on a custom ROM to get it working with gsm carriers. I flashed the unofficial lineage is 14.1 from @squid2 and its working great, but no security updates since December.
I was wondering if development is not happening for a reason (issue with this device) or is it likely to pick up when Lenovo stops putting out OTAs for it?

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I was wondering the same thing. Just got a boost xt1766 which (from what I read) I had to put on a custom ROM to get it working with gsm carriers. I flashed the unofficial lineage is 14.1 from @squid2 and its working great, but no security updates since December.
I was wondering if development is not happening for a reason (issue with this device) or is it likely to pick up when Lenovo stops putting out OTAs for it?
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For me, it's just been that I had neither time nor the mood to work on it when my father fell ill and later passed away. I've started working on Android again, but it'll probably be a month or two before I get around to revisiting this device (if I do). I'm currently focused on the msm8916 family that i support officially.

squid2 said:
For me, it's just been that I had neither time nor the mood to work on it when my father fell ill and later passed away. I've started working on Android again, but it'll probably be a month or two before I get around to revisiting this device (if I do). I'm currently focused on the msm8916 family that i support officially.
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I am saddened to learn of your fathers passing. I was aware he took ill but did not know the magnitude. Best wishes to you and family during a difficult time.

squid2 said:
For me, it's just been that I had neither time nor the mood to work on it when my father fell ill and later passed away. I've started working on Android again, but it'll probably be a month or two before I get around to revisiting this device (if I do). I'm currently focused on the msm8916 family that i support officially.
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Very sorry to hear of your father's passing. I did not want this to be a push for anyone to help, just wondering out loud. Thanks for the response and I wish you and your family my deepest condolences for your loss.

astrod said:
I was wondering the same thing. Just got a boost xt1766 which (from what I read) I had to put on a custom ROM to get it working with gsm carriers. I flashed the unofficial lineage is 14.1 from @squid2 and its working great, but no security updates since December.
I was wondering if development is not happening for a reason (issue with this device) or is it likely to pick up when Lenovo stops putting out OTAs for it?
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There is a telegram group with more active development. Pm for a link.