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Hello, I'm new to the whole Android thing, but I managed to recently root my Shift, and I can attest to the addictive properties of trying out ROMS/Kernels and all that good stuff. But I was worried about the idea of all this flashing I'm doing, as in the month or so I've been rooted I've flashed about four ROMS, messed up a few times, done a good 5 or 6 Nandroid restores/backups. I was just curios to know if this is excessive, or if this could damage my phone in any way. Thanks for any help guys!
P.S., I apologize if this is either in the wrong thread, or has already been answered >_< I'm still a young'un
As far as I know by flashing a lot you can damage the relationship with your wife or g/f due to spending a lot of time doing it.. besides that I believe that the only way you can damage your phone is due to a bad flash or flashing something that wasn't exactly supported by the Shift.
I recall this discussion back when I had a TouchPro2, I don't know if it applies to the Shift as well but I assume it does. From my understanding it was determined by people far more informed than me that flashing would eventually wear out the NAND memory...but it would take more flashes than even the most fiendish flashaholic could complete in the phones lifetime to do. This is what I know from discussions of a past phone, I'm not claiming anything about the lifetime of the phone and take no responsibility if you flash 5000 ROMS tonight and your NAND burns out. lol
I think the only way you can actually brick your phone from flashing is if you flash a bad ratio from like a gsm carrier to a cdma phone. Might be wrong. Cause even if you flash a bad rom as long as you have a working recovery you can always just reflash a new rom or ruu
I think his underlying question may have to do with the fact that every NAND flash memory module has a limited number of writes in its lifetime before it can't write another bit and tell whether or not the module is in the 0 or 1 state.
This is also why data2ext/apps2ext etc anything that constantly writes information to your SD card will also degrade the lifetime of the SD card.
Basically yes, in principle the number of times you write new data to the phone's built-in memory, you shave off another write from its life. But I don't think this is significant at all. Just as a reference, I'm sure there are people with the original G1 who have flashed a countless number of times over several years and still have it working.
^^This.
If it gives you peace of mind, think about how many times a ROM chef's phone gets flashed in its lifetime and usually if the phone dies it's on account of flashing something experimental that bricks the phone (wrong radio, etc.) I've never heard of someones NAND actually burning out. I flashed my TouchPro and TouchPro2 quite literally hundreds of times if that makes you feel better.
kbrn said:
As far as I know by flashing a lot you can damage the relationship with your wife or g/f due to spending a lot of time doing it.. besides that I believe that the only way you can damage your phone is due to a bad flash or flashing something that wasn't exactly supported by the Shift.
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THIS. Main danger.
^ Shift Faced
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THIS. Main danger.
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Agreed!
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Thanks for all the answers, you guys are great I really appreciate your help. You're replies have put my mind at ease seeing as my level of flashing honestly doesn't seem that excessive compared to that of a developer's.
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On my HeroC I changed roms two to three times a week. When CM6 came out, it was everyday (with full wipe) thanks to the nightlies. Then aosp started releasing his stuff in IRC yada yada.
My heroc made it well over a year of that torture. My wife did as well, barely.
I'm considering switching to the LG G2. I currently have a nexus 4 on tmobile but want more battery life which the G2 seems to be very good at providing. However I keep reading threads all over this g2 section saying people accidentally bricked their phone or somehow lost their imei number. Just how easy is it to brick the g2? If I got one I would most likely root it to remove bloat apps. I'm used to the nexus 4 where there really doesn't seem to be a way to brick it permanently.
Also how is the gps? I've read several threads of people complaining it fails to lock or loses lock. Is that a significant issue still?
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I'm considering switching to the LG G2. I currently have a nexus 4 on tmobile but want more battery life which the G2 seems to be very good at providing. However I keep reading threads all over this g2 section saying people accidentally bricked their phone or somehow lost their imei number. Just how easy is it to brick the g2? If I got one I would most likely root it to remove bloat apps. I'm used to the nexus 4 where there really doesn't seem to be a way to brick it permanently.
Also how is the gps? I've read several threads of people complaining it fails to lock or loses lock. Is that a significant issue still?
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GPS was always terrible for me, and I think I just bricked my G2.
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I'm considering switching to the LG G2. I currently have a nexus 4 on tmobile but want more battery life which the G2 seems to be very good at providing. However I keep reading threads all over this g2 section saying people accidentally bricked their phone or somehow lost their imei number. Just how easy is it to brick the g2? If I got one I would most likely root it to remove bloat apps. I'm used to the nexus 4 where there really doesn't seem to be a way to brick it permanently.
Also how is the gps? I've read several threads of people complaining it fails to lock or loses lock. Is that a significant issue still?
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Just ignore the post above ^ . Bricking a phone depends on the user. Well, there will always be a way to get out of trouble. Flashing stock. As soon as you know what you are doing and you follow instructions correctly then ur good.
I'm a heavy Waze user and I never had any issues with GPS (I've got the phone for about 2 weeks now so something might still pop out).
It is not easy to brick this one.
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I'm a heavy Waze user and I never had any issues with GPS (I've got the phone for about 2 weeks now so something might still pop out).
It is not easy to brick this one.
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I thought there might be something different about the G2 that made it easier to brick like the OP of that thread mentions at the end. I'm still not completely sure about it though because in addition to the gps sometimes people say malfunctions, they also mention the touchscreen behaving erratically.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521663
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I'm considering switching to the LG G2. I currently have a nexus 4 on tmobile but want more battery life which the G2 seems to be very good at providing. However I keep reading threads all over this g2 section saying people accidentally bricked their phone or somehow lost their imei number. Just how easy is it to brick the g2? If I got one I would most likely root it to remove bloat apps. I'm used to the nexus 4 where there really doesn't seem to be a way to brick it permanently.
Also how is the gps? I've read several threads of people complaining it fails to lock or loses lock. Is that a significant issue still?
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I guess, in theory, any phone can be bricked to a certain extent (soft bricked, if you will). However, the common factor to all of these "help, I'm bricked" threads is the user. Read through them and you'll see that in nearly everyone the reason for the bricked device is the user made some idiotic decision or they didn't follow directions. They flashed a ROM for a different variant, or modded some system files they had no business messing with, or one of a hundred other stupid things you shouldn't be doing unless you absolutely know how to undo it. Heck, sometimes it was as simple as not making a backup before making these changes. If you're going to root a device (be it a G2 or anything else), read and reread the how-to thread. And when you're done, read it again. See if there's a YouTube video to follow along to (for the G2 there are a couple good ones). Take your time, follow the directions exactly as they are written and you should be fine.
Regarding GPS, I use it often and never once have I had an issue.
From reading on these forums, its very easy to brick the G2... Rooting is not the issue but I think the custom recoveries are causing a lot of bricks....
GPS has been mostly ok for me to be honest... Don't see why so many people are complaining...
Could someone point me to a thread where somebody actually hard bricked his g2? I haven't seen one yet.
I get a gps fix within seconds btw.
I am completely new when it has comes to Android, but with the LG as my first phone that has been flashed with a cyanogen I found it pretty difficult to brick the phone, which I believe is a very good thing. I initially had the fears of jumping out of the stock ROM, but I haven't regret since ^_^
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I've had my G2 for almost 2 months now and haven't had any gps issues yet. My coworker also got one about the same time and hasn't had any gps issues either.
marshygeek said:
Just ignore the post above ^ . Bricking a phone depends on the user. Well, there will always be a way to get out of trouble. Flashing stock. As soon as you know what you are doing and you follow instructions correctly then ur good.
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He caught me at the perfect time. I restored back to stock several times, and keep getting nowhere. See my thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2560284
Also, GPS is terrible. Up to now GPS was my only major complaint with this phone. Now I just hope I can bring it back to life!
I need help with rooting my phone have no idea what im doing and would like the benifits of rooting
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I need help with rooting my phone have no idea what im doing and would like the benifits of rooting
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Please use search function.
Benefits of rooting comes at the price of no safety net. If you state "I have no idea what am I doing" I am not sure if it is safe for you to get rid of that net - you might brick your device either by trying to root or later by deleting some stuff you shouldn't have deleted ...
What i ment by having no clue is loke i dont know how to root i wont delete anything important im familiar with some kinds of software . Ive researched what rooting can do and. I like the benifits loke using different configurations and stuff but its the brick thing that im not liking if i brick it is there a chance that it won't work at all
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What i ment by having no clue is loke i dont know how to root i wont delete anything important im familiar with some kinds of software . Ive researched what rooting can do and. I like the benifits loke using different configurations and stuff but its the brick thing that im not liking if i brick it is there a chance that it won't work at all
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Folow this guide to root.
Bricking the device means that the software did not install correctly and there is nothing to boot. Pretty much like you don't have any OS on your phone.
I've bricked my old phone once and fixed it. It's nothing serious as long as you read carefully.
But is there a chance that it cant be fixed at all or is it repairable every time
There is always a chance that the device will end up bricked so badly that nothing will fix it. But that is the risk you take when attempting to gain root access to the system. So if you're not willing to take the risk, don't root.
So if i research the hell out of rooting find all the proper methods will it be as less likely to brick as someone who knows very little or is it just a gamble every time cause i dont like leaving things to chance especially will 300 odd pound
Research is something that people coming to this site should be doing anyway. You will be far less likely to brick than someone who plunges in without doing research, and doing research is a very sensible thing to do on an expensive smartphone.
I have modified......
1xGalaxy W
1xGalaxy Ace
2xGalaxy S2
1xGalaxy S4
1xGalaxy S5
1xGalaxy Tab 2.7
All but one of those devices was modified without issue using research and resources taken from THIS SITE. The device that I had problems with was one of the S2s.....The only reason I had problems with it was because of a faulty USB socket (which I wasn't aware of at the time). Modifying any device will ALWAYS carry an element of risk, but as the previous poster said, doing research FIRST will help to minimise the risk. None of the Devs here will intentionally create harmful software....The devs and this site itself are too highly respected within this community to put up with that kind of BS.
If you *do* have an issue, it's (probably) more likely to be hardware related than software related.
So, as others have said........
RESEARCH, READ, LEARN and UNDERSTAND......before actually DOING.....
Oh,and don't rely too heavily on 'other' websites as they all probably either directly or indirectly got their information from XDA (I should know......A couple of guides I wrote and posted exclusively on XDA have appeared word for word on other sites).......
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I just got my Moto X Pure Edition (THIS one) and I really want to root it and get all the things I had with my G3 and back when I had an JB'd iPhone 4s, but my experience with the G3 was terrible.
I ended up having to RMA it 4 times through my insurance because there was something I was using on the G3 that slowed it to a vista-esque pace, and despite lots of reading on this site and others I managed to brick it :silly: 4 times :silly: in 4 different ways just trying to put it back to stock. It cost me far too much money but I was stupid enough to keep trying before finally settling on stock to avoid more issues.
I love this new phone, but I know I could tweak it more to what I like and from what it looks like in Heisenberg's Guide it is fairly safe and simple as far as roots go. I feel so stupid having screwed up with the LG that I don't want to try it. I'm a CS major and I've spent so much time messing with all sorts of things I never thought it would be a problem.
So my question is, within the realm of using Xposed and a few root apps/functions (no custom ROMs or anything just because I can't afford not having a phone for a week if I ruin it again), is it relatively safe to root the X Pure and are these tools (Universal Tool, Restore to stock tool) or a manual set of steps a good bet for returning to stock and removing root? I just want to make sure if I end up over my head I can get back to stock and be happy with what is already a great phone. Sorry if I sound like a huge _____ but I'm still in school and I want to avoid further grief as best I can.
From what I've been hearing, the 808 is a tricky processor... Besides xposed and regular terminal code changes, such as screen density, you should be good. Although, if your going in and messing with code idk what to say, experienced devs are even having a tough time getting this thing to boot on their custom ROMs...
You probably shouldn't mess with your phones anymore.
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Another thing just to keep in mind when talking people about your qualifications, saying you are getting your Computer Science degree is pretty broad. First, we don't know what year you're in and second we don't know your concentration. I have a BBA for instance. A BBA in what though? If I went applying to random jobs, or trying to network that would leave more questions than answers. What do I have a BBA in? Well mine is in Management, so yes I can do basic accounting, financing, marketing, but my concentration is being able to interpret financial data and making decisions that would benefit a company or organization. Does that make me advanced enough to be an accountant, even though we both have BBAs? Hell no! Same goes for CS. You may be getting your computer science degree, but are you majoring in Network Security, Hardware, C++, Java, Oracle, etc... There is so much information missing that just stating "I'm getting my CS degree" isn't enough for anyone to give you a solid answer, especially not knowing what year you are in. If you are a junior, then you've just barely scratched the surface of what you will be studying for the next 2 years. Just a little FYI for future sakes :thumbup:
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Well that's helpful.
Didn't think to specify, my bad, yeah I'm just a junior and I feel like I haven't learned much in the way of things. I just want to get a few small things from xposed and others, no plans on changing anything myself
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You bricked 4 G3s. It's time to find a new hobby. I suggest one that doesn't include the destruction of expensive electronics.
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I own Oneplus One and rooted immediately with blisspop rom. I can't use phn without root access coz almost all ma apps need root permission. Yes its risky to root a costly device but if u need it so desperately den u should definitely root it....
Again, thanks for the positive input. I bricked them following the stock flashing methods on this website, I wasn't just shooting in the dark. And out of another half dozen phones I've only ever had an issue with the G3. Can you not? I'd like to learn here, not argue.
U having plm installing recovery on ur g3???
When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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Sounds like a solid plan. With the G3 rooting was always easy but the only known way that I had found for the t mobile model was to use the LG flashing tool that looked a lot like the one they used in-house to restore it, and despite following a pretty straightforward guide there were 3 different errors I got right towards the end of the process that would lock the phone in a download mode state. After using TWRP to get it back to being usable I'd still be stuck with root, and trying a few other ways would screw me.
As far as using the tools, are the 2 I linked in the OP the proper ones to be using? I'll definitely hold off on it for a while to make sure nothing comes up, thanks for that info. I'm guessing the 2 year protection plan is moot if I'm stuck with no way to erase evidence of a software issue arising from root, so that's a thing to think about as well. Do you know if unlocking the bootloader voids that protection plan? I'm looking for the TOS.
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I could not have said this any better.
Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
I have always rooted my phones from my original HTC incredible, galaxy nexus, HTC DNA, and HTC ONE M8... that being said I am very familiar with HTC and how they work and I always had the HTC RUU file ready in case of emergency but never had to use it. I'm not sure if Motorola has a RUU file or a Fastboot IMG like Nexus devices that can bring your phone back from the dead as this is my first Moto because I never wanted to deal with the encrypted bootloader on the VZW moto phones.
I honestly can say that I have been finding root less and less needed since my M8 and I dont think I will unlock or root my Pure Edition.
The reason is that there is no bloat that I cant get rid of, I see no need for a custom kernel since the newer processors are really fast, it basically runs stock android so its not bogged down by Sense or touchwiz.
I honestly can say I like the minor additions Moto has made with the Pure Edition... I have used exposed and I really dont see the use for most of its functions for more than a week before its just gimmicky.
Once updates are stopped or the Development community is way ahead of OTA updates we will still have an easy OEM process to unlock root and flash. But for now I'm sticking with what I paid for... The Moto experience
My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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If you follow step by step instruction you will be ok.... I have rooted tons of phones and bricked a couple but was able to fix them. Its a chance you take but hey if you mess up it is a excuse to get a new cell lol. But honestly your streak with rooting is bad, maybe you shouldn't try anymore.
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Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
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I'm sorry I offended you. Based on your history I think it a bad idea for you to mess with your phone. Not what you wanted to hear but I honestly think it's the truth. Not all computer science majors can handle phone tech. How many of your classmates have iPhones? How many of them with Android phones root?
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jiggyb21 said:
My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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Come on, don't pigeon hole everyone on XDA. You had to have known you were going to receive some sarcastic replies. That's like Plaxico Burress asking what kind of gun he should buy next. The consensus here seems to be genuine. You shouldn't mess with root anymore but it's your money. Thing is, rooting is not hard and not dangerous if you follow directions closely, yet you've managed to brick several devices. I rooted my phone to install Xposed but due to battery issues I have stopped using it. Look in the Xposed thread for more info. I would say just wait, its not worth it now IMO.
IMO, the only reason to root is to install AdAway.
Can't stand Ads. But other than that, the experience that Motorola has set up for us is perfect. I won't be adding anything else like Xposed, or install a custom ROM until I get bored with my phone, which will probably be in another six months. I've set myself up with an unlocked bootloader and root for when the time comes though. But for now, I'm happy.
I gotta say that to me (sophmore in college as a Biology major, completely unrelated to compsci), it seems pretty hard to brick a phone just trying to root it. Especially with the very detailed guides that Hesisenberg has set up for us, thank that man.
You gotta decide if what you plan on doing with your root is worth it though. I spent about 1.5 hours rooting my phone, and I'm not even sure that the time was worth AdAway.
Just wondering why there isn't fp animation for any of the custom ROMs? Is it harder to add than the fp sensor itself was?
They already tried to implement animation. But it doesn't worth the time.
It's not hard, i've already done it but i don't like the way the animations look. I rather make my own
I think i know what he means, i swapped from a note 8 to the 6t and was super excited coz there's so much development happening but now i just feel like ppl are just going through the motions of making stuff and nothing really happening.. Like i can't believe no one has tackled the process of flashing stuff and made it easier.. Atm flashing roms on this phone at least for me is like playing Russian roulette, thank **** for the msn tools otherwise id have lost the phone in the back of a drawer already..
Anyway this is not an attack on development, its just how it feels for me.
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I think i know what he means, i swapped from a note 8 to the 6t and was super excited coz there's so much development happening but now i just feel like ppl are just going through the motions of making stuff and nothing really happening.. Like i can't believe no one has tackled the process of flashing stuff and made it easier.. Atm flashing roms on this phone at least for me is like playing Russian roulette, thank **** for the msn tools otherwise id have lost the phone in the back of a drawer already..
Anyway this is not an attack on development, its just how it feels for me.
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For the record, the fastboot roms work just as good as the tool and solves most of your issues just as well as the tool, without relocking your bootloader
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For the record, the fastboot roms work just as good as the tool and solves most of your issues just as well as the tool, without relocking your bootloader
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Well not when you're bricked and fastboot doesnt even read your device.. But i didn't say what i said to have a debate about it, its just how it feels.
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I think i know what he means, i swapped from a note 8 to the 6t and was super excited coz there's so much development happening but now i just feel like ppl are just going through the motions of making stuff and nothing really happening.. Like i can't believe no one has tackled the process of flashing stuff and made it easier.. Atm flashing roms on this phone at least for me is like playing Russian roulette, thank **** for the msn tools otherwise id have lost the phone in the back of a drawer already..
Anyway this is not an attack on development, its just how it feels for me.
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I flashed a lot of custom rom on 6t, sure is more difficult respect to op5 cause now we have A/B system partitions but when you understand how to flash basically was always the same procedure.
The 6T is trash. In fact, anything from OP is garbage. Wish I would've known how bad they were before I bought this. Their only saving grace is the inability to hard break them. I'm not sure what that other user was going on about ahead of me, but if your device can't be read by fastboot, then I'm not sure how you expect an MSM tool to fix that. But that's neither here nor there, I was simply stating that you can solve most of your problems with the fastboot rom, then you don't have to go full-on nuke with that MSM tool. I have thoroughly F'd up this device and never needed that tool. That's only for the least experienced Android users who somehow managed to flash different device software. That's the only way I see a person ever needing that tool. But, to get back on topic, that's one thing I cant stand about custom. The green dot isnt so noticable with the animations, but it sticks out like a sore thumb without them
gasroca said:
I think i know what he means, i swapped from a note 8 to the 6t and was super excited coz there's so much development happening but now i just feel like ppl are just going through the motions of making stuff and nothing really happening.. Like i can't believe no one has tackled the process of flashing stuff and made it easier.. Atm flashing roms on this phone at least for me is like playing Russian roulette, thank **** for the msn tools otherwise id have lost the phone in the back of a drawer already..
Anyway this is not an attack on development, its just how it feels for me.
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Lol, don't know what you're talking about. Installing ROMs with TWRP (or different recoveries if we're talking like 4-5 years back) on phones has always been like it is now with the exception of installing GSIs from fastboot but I don't think that's what you mean.
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The 6T is trash. In fact, anything from OP is garbage. Wish I would've known how bad they were before I bought this. Their only saving grace is the inability to hard break them. I'm not sure what that other user was going on about ahead of me, but if your device can't be read by fastboot, then I'm not sure how you expect an MSM tool to fix that. But that's neither here nor there, I was simply stating that you can solve most of your problems with the fastboot rom, then you don't have to go full-on nuke with that MSM tool. I have thoroughly F'd up this device and never needed that tool. That's only for the least experienced Android users who somehow managed to flash different device software. That's the only way I see a person ever needing that tool. But, to get back on topic, that's one thing I cant stand about custom. The green dot isnt so noticable with the animations, but it sticks out like a sore thumb without them
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I feel like your entire XDA account is based on trash talking OnePlus and crying
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Lol, don't know what you're talking about. Installing ROMs with TWRP (or different recoveries if we're talking like 4-5 years back) on phones has always been like it is now with the exception of installing GSIs from fastboot but I don't think that's what you mean.
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I feel like your entire XDA account is based on trash talking OnePlus and crying
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Thanks for sharing, I'll let you know when IGAF about how you feel. In the meantime, you're partially correct about the trash talk part, but it's not my fault OP makes it so easy...
I'm not gonna pretend i know anything i don't, even tho I've done this for many years, or try to tell someone what their experience of this phone is but my experience is that with A/B partitions is NOT always the same process.. I assure you that what works for one rom might not work for another and if you say it does then lucky you or perhaps I've been flashing too many crap..
About msn tools, i love em.. I thought what i wrote was clear to read but apparently not. I've bricked my 6t a few times to the point of not being able to switch it off or on and just get stuck on the bootloader screen.. Again, my experience of this is that in this case fastboot is useless coz it won't detect the phone. And this is the reason i love msn tools..
Again this is my opinion and experience of this phone and if i wrote something that you want more information on then please let me know..
seems u guys cant even handle a forum let alone a device
I have bricked several phones before, and have managed to recover them all; from my experience, OnePlus' Qualcomm Snapdragon processor tool is a godsend, something that I really wish ALL OEM phone manufacturers would do the same way and release that otherwise elusive tool to save our paperweights. Too bad it all boiled down to pure greed (Apple's far worse in this respect).
Yet, I have to be honest, I seriously doubt OnePlus 6T is garbage, far from it. I have modded this phone to my likings and have taken some very low light photography (Astrophotography) and I have been left rather impressed. There is only one negativity about this phone, it's the fingerprint scanner, and that's it (not really a negativity though because when it registers the fingerprint correctly, the phone unlocks instantly). Maybe one more negativity, is that it's easy to nuke the modem data (IMEI) by accident (I did wipe /system not thinking what could happen, thankfully I got the modem back online after reinstalling the OS via Qualcomm Snapdragon processor tool, along with the OxygenOS 9.0.11 image).
And like everyone else would mention that the custom operating systems are pretty much a work in progress, but we're getting there. And the reason why I won't bash OnePlus are because of three things. 1. They pretty much have the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor tool with the ROM image for reviving the hard bricked phone, no matter how hard we try to murder it, accidentally or intentionally, via the SSD partitions (we do make mistakes anyhow). 2. They are still developer friendly (they have since reopened the phone giveaway program for helping with the custom operating system and recovery toolkit development). 3. If you bought it straight from OnePlus, you will never lose the warranty even after unlocking the bootloader on it.
It's getting off topic, but having seen the inflammatory comments, I had to say what needed to be said. It's important to really know what you're doing, otherwise it's either that you're speculating or taking a shot in the dark. That's all I have to say.
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