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[Q] Xperia Arc S vs Xperia S Which is Better?

Hi, Long time no see , eh ?
okay, I'm planning to buy xperia arc s but plz tell me if xperia s is better that arc s ? is xperia s is costly than arc s ?
Note : planning to buy a used one !!

You are asking whether the latest Sony flagship phone is better than the old one?
I think hardware wise it will be.
I prefer the styling on the Arc S myself.

Besides design the Xperia S blows the Arc S away
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Of course the Xperia S since it's Sony's latest handset and its more expensive too!
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Compare the specs of the S compared to the Arc S
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There is nothing better about the Arc S at all. It's a good door stop and paper weight compared the Xperia S

if money is not a problem, go for Xperia S.
if it is, go for Xperia Arc. it's a great phone, last year's flagship.
the only thing holding me back of getting the xperia s, is ... what do i do with 2 flagship phones ?
ps. i'm a proud owner of an arc (not arc s) ^^

The Arc S is an ok phone at best; not so great in my opinion because I do not play favorites with brands. Look at the phone's hardware and not the brand of the phone; the performance and usability is far more important and useful than appearance. Until you compare it to another phone in its price range, the flaws are evident. The screen is low contrast, poor viewing angle compared to say a AMOLED on a samsung phone and an iphone 4. Viewing angles do matter because sometimes when I leave it on my desk, I want to see it without looking straight on at it and the arc makes this difficult. The color becomes washed out from a slight change in angle, just not good. It doesn't even get the tone of white correct and has a crushed black problem on the Arc so it cannot resolve details in dark images. The bravia engine cannot save its life even if it depended on it; the screen has too many cons to be saved. It's overpriced for its outdated hardware and thus is outperformed by nearly everything around its price range. Do not let the appearance of the phone fool you, it's a slow phone and it's very clear once you use a better phone like the Galaxy S2. The video cam is very poor at resolving details and is quite pixelated. The browsing experience is not good on the arc, it is choppy and laggy compared to an up to date dual core phone. The wifi reception is not as good as my other phones and it is always at least 1 bar weaker. Sometimes my arc has 1 bar and my S2 has 3 bars in the exact same spot. The only reason I even have an arc is because I bought one used for a very good price about 1/4 of a new one because I would never ever buy it for the price of a new one. Don't forget that the arc is plagued with the crack problem about the proximity sensor. I'm appalled how this was sony's high end phone a year ago, outdated the day it was released because of its ridiculous price putting it amongst the competition it does not belong in.
The price digs the arc s its own grave, it needed to be a lot cheaper to stand a chance because it simply does not belong the range of dual core phones; not a good value value phone.
Just waiting for ICS before I decide to get rid of it.
Xperia S is pretty much better in every way especially performance, though the viewing angle is still kind of suspect. Last year's phones already had the specs of the Xperia S so Sony is once again playing catching up.

The Xperia S has ****ty capacative buttons, compared to the Arc's proper hardware buttons. True hardware buttons FTW!
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zed011 said:
The Arc S is an ok phone at best; not so great in my opinion because I do not play favorites with brands. Look at the phone's hardware and not the brand of the phone; the performance and usability is far more important and useful than appearance. Until you compare it to another phone in its price range, the flaws are evident. The screen is low contrast, poor viewing angle compared to say a AMOLED on a samsung phone and an iphone 4. Viewing angles do matter because sometimes when I leave it on my desk, I want to see it without looking straight on at it and the arc makes this difficult. The color becomes washed out from a slight change in angle, just not good. It doesn't even get the tone of white correct and has a crushed black problem on the Arc so it cannot resolve details in dark images. The bravia engine cannot save its life even if it depended on it; the screen has too many cons to be saved. It's overpriced for its outdated hardware and thus is outperformed by nearly everything around its price range. Do not let the appearance of the phone fool you, it's a slow phone and it's very clear once you use a better phone like the Galaxy S2. The video cam is very poor at resolving details and is quite pixelated. The browsing experience is not good on the arc, it is choppy and laggy compared to an up to date dual core phone. The wifi reception is not as good as my other phones and it is always at least 1 bar weaker. Sometimes my arc has 1 bar and my S2 has 3 bars in the exact same spot. The only reason I even have an arc is because I bought one used for a very good price about 1/4 of a new one because I would never ever buy it for the price of a new one. Don't forget that the arc is plagued with the crack problem about the proximity sensor. I'm appalled how this was sony's high end phone a year ago, outdated the day it was released because of its ridiculous price putting it amongst the competition it does not belong in.
The price digs the arc s its own grave, it needed to be a lot cheaper to stand a chance because it simply does not belong the range of dual core phones; not a good value value phone.
Just waiting for ICS before I decide to get rid of it.
Xperia S is pretty much better in every way especially performance, though the viewing angle is still kind of suspect. Last year's phones already had the specs of the Xperia S so Sony is once again playing catching up.
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Your browsing experience is probably because you have been using the stock Gingerbread browser and not Dolphin.

It's really stupid to ask this question. The arc is a first generation android phone and not even one of the better ones because of its really dated specs. The s on the other hand is next generation.
There is no level on which the arc can compare with the s. It's completely blown away.
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Newer is better
I think U should go with Xperia S than Arc S because of following reasons:
1. Xperia S is faster with dou core
2. Xperia S has NFC technology. It's really cool
3. I'm sure that you will not like the hard buttons on Arc S, it makes me feel i'm using a china phone
4. Speaker is not really good.

Your browsing experience is probably because you have been using the stock Gingerbread browser and not Dolphin.
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I have tried dolphin and opera, it is smoother but still nowhere as smooth as S2 on stock webkit browser. I think it's fair to compare them both that way, on the stock webkit browser that came with the phones. The arc will still slow down on sites with flash on any browser, S2 doesn't at all. Outdated hardware is pretty much the reason.

the curse
I think I'm suffering from a curse from the Arc,
It's really difficult to find a replacement phone that feels just as thin, the curve just feels right, it's like putting my hand on my girlfriend's lower back area, lol.
Seriously, for me the feel of a phone in my hand along with smooth operation for basic tasks (browsing, email, mms, sms, phone, video call) is important. If you're like me, you should check the demo unit or dummies to have an idea how it feels in your hand and which one you like best. I like how Xperia S demo unit feels in my hand, but the Arc S is better for me, I'm not replacing it anytime soon.
If you have a hard time making a decision, I think you should go with the Xperia S, should be smoother, especially on ICS later, it also have better spec.

definitely arc s
Put me back in that retailer I'd pick arc s again. If I want SPEC I'd go with Samsung or HTC. What good to pick a uni-core phone with 512 mb ram? if it weren't for the design and style.

Most dual cores out there are better then the Arc S, but then again they cost considerably more and they don't look as good.
If money isn't the issue, go for the new one, its more future proof.

How many of you have actually owned or even used Xperia S?
It feels horrible in hand, probably because of the combination of size and material. The capacitive button are somewhat difficult to get used to because of the size and its too close to the screen. The performance upgrade is marginal at best and a well optimized ROM makes the Arc (S) just as smooth for daily use minus maybe gaming. I thought, too, that the S looked fantastic in pictures, until I used one. No doubt you should look at HTC One S or X if you are spending that kind of money. Arc (S) is superb value currently (cost about 3/5 of the S).

I love Arc S. Only problem is that the housing is cheap plastic crap easy to crack.

hellocng said:
How many of you have actually owned or even used Xperia S?
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I used/tested it...
It's better in any way and faster
Only hardware buttons and look is better on Arc (S)
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Yeah yeah, the specs of the Xperia S are obviously much better than those of the Arc S in every way.
Well, in every way except the physical aspects of it. The thing is a ridiculously huge and ugly brick. Also, i hate capacitive buttons. So no thanks.

Why did you choose Xperia Z2?

Hi all, refer to the above let's discuss why you choose xperia z2 compare with others device.
is it because the design, Spec, price, sony fans or others.
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Simply because it's the best flagship on the market at the moment.

S5 sucked balls. It will be Z2 unless HTC suprises us with a monster in about 1 month.
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Just saw ARTICLE about new IPS screen and Sony finally have great and quality product.
I'm completely satisfied with my Z1 but if I get some interesting offer (like I got for Z1) I'll definitely try it.
Why?
Because, now, Z1 is ultimate device and Sony just upgraded it
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Because the Z2 is the best on the market just now, S5 rom is 8Gb compared to the Z2's 4Gb, plus Z2 has way more excellent specs. I don't care that Samsung maybe releasing a 64bit S5 later this year as I think it is too early for me to get into 64 bit phones just now; as infrastructure etc is not in place yet i.e. app devs have yet to jump on board. That is my opinion anyway...

Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.

I had a Z, ZL and now Z1. Logical to have a Z2 next.
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Lost faith in Samsung with there handling of s3 updates plus had problems with them regarding other Samsung products. Been a fan of sony for a while now and its coming close to my phone upgrade and the Z2 currently looks like it. I have a few months to go so plenty of time to judge the competition and see what negatives might crop up about the z2.
As long as root is easily gained with minimal drawback Ill most likely be picking up the z2.
Plus the specs of this phone do look pretty good to me

Bigger battery, nicer look, wanted something that wasn't made by Samsung for once.
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Eye friendly...
I am one of the small amount percentage of population who seems to suffer from LED's displays... Sony triluminos display tech, seems to be benign on our eyes. At least sony Vaio Pro 13 and flip are better displays... This issue has years... Hope Z2 is really eye friendly to me too...
Seems spectrum of light of triluminos technology is more balanced. Not a huge blue spike on spectrum...
Here you could see a thread talking on LED's:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1677617?start=0&tstart=0
My HTC One is killing my eyes...
Cheers...

xz2
because of this past year i cannot trust Sony easily!
i love to buy Xperia Z2 IF all thing about display & ... be right!
if no two quality of display!
sharp display! jdc! OR all story like those!
It s ok if sony s using different company for display supplying BUT not different quality from each company.
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My first phone was the Motorola RAZR V3i and have been a loyal user since then with Moto Droid & Moto RAZR... just loved the premium build quality along with excellent specs. Beauty with brains! Loved the design of Xperia Z & Z1 but was hesitant to switch due to the screen quality as I'm spoiled by AMOLED on my RAZR.
But the Z2 seems like the only phone to be awesome inside & out with no drawbacks to give me second thoughts why not to buy it... (Size was a little concern but I can live with that)

It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.

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It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.
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I also want to see what htc will bring to the table. I doubt it can match sony. Also would need a case since you can't get protection on the alu back.
I don't really see a need for 64 bit systems. What do you see 64 bit bring? Do phones need a new OS to match it? Will support for old systems stop?

We might not need it in the consumer space, but it's one of those things where if you can get it as a little to no-cost option, why not? I can envision a bunch of enterprise use cases like big data analytics and data visualization, not to mention phones/phablets/tablets with > 4gb of ram etc

I'm currently on a htc one x, my contract has 2 weeks on it, so I started looking. The galaxy s5 is a massive fail in my eyes, and I'm just getting bored with HTC. As soon as a saw a leak of sense 6 I knew I'd be bored. I'm going to miss BlinkFeed, but the look of the Z2 and the specs, plus noise cancelling and stereo speakers, as well as the camera (going on a once in a lifetime holiday in August), coupled with an sd card slot and waterproofing (11 pools in the resort), I think it'd be a crime not to go for the Z2. I am worried about the size a little bit, even tho I have big hands.

I have the HTC one and have very little complaints about it and the 2014 version looks promissing but that panel that used to have the capacitive buttons on it is still there but now it's just a logo. Idk why they would keep that. I hate wasted space and big bezels and I think the Z2 once I get Cyanogenmod running on it would be amazing

because the first android phone that i used was sony
sony phones are great in price , support in my country and dev's are supporting them great
and the most important one because sony phones are blazing fast and their software is useful and they don't have useless futures that only make your phone slower and they will eat your ram as hell
thats why i decided to buy sony z2

I love the design,
I love the software,
I love the camera,
I love the build quality,
I love the bigger battery,
I love front facing speakers,
And 3gb of Ram which the s5 don't have (besides I got the note 3, I dont need any more Samsung devices for now)
The Z2 and the note 3 will do me for now

mujj said:
Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.
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All of the above + 3GB RAM is what sold me. It should also make this phone relevant for a while. Can't wait for the Z2 to arrive!

Just ordered a Droid Turbo Over A Sony Z3v Did I make the right choice?

Im seriously in love with the droid but after checking out the specs of the Sony Z3 then playing and holding one, Im wondering if I made a bad decision. I kinda just rushed into the upgrade, I've been using a droid ultra for so long and loved it so I figured the upgrade would be even sweeter. My girlfriend got an iPhone 6 and wanted me to get one too so we can have a secure end to end conversation when I'm out of town but I can just do that from my iPad. So my phone gets here tomorrow and I was actually considering taking it straight to the Verizon store and exchanging it for a Z3v but what do you guys think. Are you loving your phones enough that the slight battery and screen improvements are worth the width and girth of the turbo over the slender sexy IPS water resistant up to 30 minutes Sony Z3v? The waterproof rating is tipping the scales for me but maybe Ill try it for a few days, if I hate it I think I have up to 14 days to exchange. Also No wireless charging or DLNA from the droid turbo COM' ON MAN!!!!

Can't really say since I haven't seen a Z3, but I love the turbo and it does have wireless charging.
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It has wireless charging and dlna

cold21blooded said:
It has wireless charging and dlna
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It has miracast, not DLNA. That said, DLNA can be added with an application.

Wireless charging lol. Dat turbo charger.

Z3v better in everything

Seems like most people are pro droid turbo, so DLNA is covered with an app which is comforting as well as the reminder that turbo chargers and a massive battery means the phone wont really spend much time resting on a wireless charging mat. But damn dat V3 is freaking sexy.
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The Sony Z3v is a hybrid between the Z2 and the real Z3. It's heavier and fatter than both. It has a bigger battery than the Z3 (3200 vs 3100), but does not last as long as the Z3 according to its specs. Its camera is also more or less a tweaked Z2 camera AFAIK.

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The Sony Z3v is a hybrid between the Z2 and the real Z3. It's heavier and fatter than both. It has a bigger battery than the Z3 (3200 vs 3100), but does not last as long as the Z3 according to its specs. Its camera is also more or less a tweaked Z2 camera AFAIK.
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Yea that solidifies my choice, I'm sticking with my droid turbo when it gets in tomorrow. Im sooooo excited now, I don't know why I freaked out at the last second. I guess its because I usually comprehensively research all the choices before I buy a new phone and I loved my Ultra so much I just figured on paper the turbo was going to be more of what I love so I didnt look at anything else. Then I held the new moto X with bamboo, then I got my hands on a Nexus 6. Then I got my hands on an Z3 (admittedly not the Z3v so I didn't know it was suckier than the Z3)
I really came away impressed with the Nexus 6 and Moto X, but I'm more about substance so I think I'm going to love the Turbo although the former two options are so sleek and sexy but admittedly too freaking large in the sense of the Nexus 6. The turbo feels like it would be a better fit even though its larger than the Ultra. But I loved my ultra soooooooooo much. Another plus is that if the screen breaks in the first two years from accidental drops you get a free replacement. After just reading that a few hours ago Im totally sold. And I don't even know why I'm paying $11 a month in insurance now, I guess in-case someone steals my phone but still that's a pretty bad ass guarantee from Motorola. I think Im in love with Moto all over again.

Z3 seems like a fragile phone to use if you don't use a case. That's one reason I avoided it is because it seems like the back glass is fragile and cracks easily when it is handled carefully. It's a slippery phone as well. I don't like sony's post processing on images, kinda noisy. Z3 has the looks going for it but I don't see much else.

Apsalus said:
The Sony Z3v is a hybrid between the Z2 and the real Z3. It's heavier and fatter than both. It has a bigger battery than the Z3 (3200 vs 3100), but does not last as long as the Z3 according to its specs. Its camera is also more or less a tweaked Z2 camera AFAIK.
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It doesn't last as long as the Z3 because its on Verizon and using CDMA.

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Z3v better in everything
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Silly statement. I know for a fact its not better in battery life. I am sure I can find other places.
http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3

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Silly statement. I know for a fact its not better in battery life. I am sure I can find other places.
http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3
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Look at 99% of his posts. There all ridiculous. He clearly is not a fan of the DT but spends most of his time on the DT forms.

I just swapped the Z3 for the Droid Turbo.
I previously had the tmobile Z3 which felt great in the hands...the verizon Z3 is significantly thicker that the tmo version. It generally felt bulky being that i came from a slimmer model.
The Droid Turbo feels great in the hands
I got the ballastic nylon and haven't regretted yet. Great battery life and feels good in the hand.

The Turbo is a great device.. But if you're into flashing Roms and adding a bunch of tweaks to your device then you made the wrong choice with both. Both devices are locked down and no sign of root to be seen.. Or even lollipop for that fact anytime soon.
But its a great device I prefer it over the Z3v.. You're getting a better device in my eyes..

Moto maxx if you're on a gsm network. Had the turbo, sending it back since I got the maxx in. It's so bs that vzw has moto connect locked down, I can't use it unless activated on vzw, but everything else worked. Using on tmobile

If you're looking for root, you chose poorly.

liquidburns said:
Im seriously in love with the droid but after checking out the specs of the Sony Z3 then playing and holding one, Im wondering if I made a bad decision. I kinda just rushed into the upgrade, I've been using a droid ultra for so long and loved it so I figured the upgrade would be even sweeter. My girlfriend got an iPhone 6 and wanted me to get one too so we can have a secure end to end conversation when I'm out of town but I can just do that from my iPad. So my phone gets here tomorrow and I was actually considering taking it straight to the Verizon store and exchanging it for a Z3v but what do you guys think. Are you loving your phones enough that the slight battery and screen improvements are worth the width and girth of the turbo over the slender sexy IPS water resistant up to 30 minutes Sony Z3v? The waterproof rating is tipping the scales for me but maybe Ill try it for a few days, if I hate it I think I have up to 14 days to exchange. Also No wireless charging or DLNA from the droid turbo COM' ON MAN!!!!
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You'll be happy with the Droid Turbo. Just be prepared for the long waits to upgrade to lollipop and other updates. It is a Verizon exclusive and may be held up longer for testing prior to releasing the upgrade.
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Z5 Ultra.. IFA 2015

Hey guys.. I read this article and it makes me excited about The successor or our beloved Togari. Chrck this out..Sony Xperia Z5 release date, price and specs: Coming in September, also in Compact and Ultra models
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/mobile-phone/sony-xperia-z5-release-date-price-specs-3619162/
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Sony's feed app "Socialife"
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http://www.gsmarena.com/xperia_z5_tipped_to_launch_in_september-news-12915.php

jsonexe said:
Hey guys.. I read this article and it makes me excited about The successor or our beloved Togari. Chrck this out..Sony Xperia Z5 release date, price and specs: Coming in September, also in Compact and Ultra models
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/mobile-phone/sony-xperia-z5-release-date-price-specs-3619162/
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Except for the obvious prediction that the next xperia is called z5 the rest of the article is purely speculative with no source (credible or not) mentioned. It more looks like the author just put together a wish list of his own. Honestly I grew tired of getting excited about these baseless prediction just to be disappointed when the actual release date came.
If you think about it logically, except for a very small group of geeks (myself happily included) who admire the engineering marvel that xzu is, most ordinary people ridicule this phone. The reaction I get from other people when they see me with the phone is that it is way too small to be a practical tablet and way too big to be a practical phone. That is why despite its excellent specs it is selling for around 250 dollars these days and no one is rushing to deplete the stocks.
Sony needs to revive its mobile business very badly and has to focus on the smallest number of investments with the highest return. Look at tablet z4 for example which anyone immediately falls in love with. And on the phone front it should follow a two tier premium model that was started by Samsung with the s series and note series, and copied by Apple as iPhone 6 and iPhone 6s plus, which has proved to be a super successful model in the United states and elsewhere. Another ultra phone has no place in such a line up, as sad as it may be for me and others in this forum.

Sorry to disappoint, but the next ultra will most likely have 6" display. the reason for it is obvious: much more pants pocket friendly. no brainer. most people aside of a minority of hardcore mobile geeks/some woman who carry a purse 24/7 who want larger display then 6" will buy a tablet. they want profit in 2016 and they want to rival mpte 5. 6s plus, lg new phablet, etc. and not some negligible chinese tablets with phone capabilities. there is no other way. it is a very good expected and wanted move for sony and all should be happy, including sony fans aside of minority of people who actually use z ultra as daily driver. most people beg sony to make a flag phablet that they actually never made (full flagship spec, more pocket friendly, etc.).

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Sorry to disappoint, but the next ultra will most likely have 6" display. the reason for it is obvious: much more pants pocket friendly. no brainer. most people aside of a minority of hardcore mobile geeks/some woman who carry a purse 24/7 who want larger display then 6" will buy a tablet. they want profit in 2016 and they want to rival mpte 5. 6s plus, lg new phablet, etc. and not some negligible chinese tablets with phone capabilities. there is no other way. it is a very good expected and wanted move for sony and all should be happy, including sony fans aside of minority of people who actually use z ultra as daily driver. most people beg sony to make a flag phablet that they actually never made (full flagship spec, more pocket friendly, etc.).
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I agree. I don't know if its gonna be 6" (personally would prefer 6.2" if we can't have 6.4" again) but it will be smaller. The reason is simple: ZU didn't sell as well as they wanted.
Although I would argue if they do not release similar flagship phones every half a year the ZU would have position itself better to compete directly with the Galaxy Notes. But it seems they're still following the same business model they will blame on the size of the ZU being unpopular among consumers.

Most consumers and sony fans voice is loud and clear: "sony! make a phablet flag, give it the best spec - every feature of what the main size flag has and more, give it some simple software features to make good use of a large display like 2 windows mode, make it as pocket friendly as possible, don't make the display larger then 6", height dimensions should be as short as possible to further make it easier to carry in pants pocket". this is what i hear and read in the last 2 years. imagine such device with the beautiful sexy new design that only sony know to design, 6" JDI/AUO QHD display, 2 front speakers, latest camera sensor imx230, beefy 4000-4500 mAh battery, etc. *day dreaming*

6 inch display? Too small. It will be a tablet for me then. The Z3 TC or a Z5 TC is on my list of potential successors if they just introduce a 6 inch "Ultra".
I use my device for reading, browsing and so forth, which make 6 inch or smaller display inconvenient and a 10 inch tablet too big. Sweetspot is between 6.5-8 inches and devices smaller than 6.44 is not interesting at all, regardless of specifications due to a way too small display making the general use more uncomfortable (increased need for zooming and so on).

I agree. z3tc is definitely a good upgrade from z ultra and its true successor imo. there is no news of sony working on a new tc for 2h so its the best small tablet option. http://www.amazon.com/XPERIA-TABLET...=1437248308&sr=8-1&keywords=z3+tablet+compact

I'm all for phablets, but... 8in is too much even for me to be a phone that I can carry... 7in with no border would be ideal... Make a new ultra already sony...

Meh, I will always stick to at least 6 coll phones since the Z ultra and the only thing I care about is price and micro SD support.
If somone goes the route of samsung and starts to refuse microSD slots, **** them. Everything that is for the mainstream is for retards. Its nothing for a serious person .
The moment a serious Ubuntu phone comes, with decent specs, I would swtich immediately. I am through with these so called "mainstream" phones.

Z5 can't be the 820 if it's in September. Qualcomm roadmap says December for that chip's release.
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Makes no sense to put that kind of $ into a phone at 6"4. 6" is a proven seller.
(unfortunately).
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Letv is bringing this to the US. 6"3 device. High quality build. http://www.geekbuying.com/item/LeTV...beu5t9M_XE_RS1obaybyCOHzHtXbbY8_lkaAqYe8P8HAQ

rockky said:
Makes no sense to put that kind of $ into a phone at 6"4. 6" is a proven seller.
(unfortunately).
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Letv is bringing this to the US. 6"3 device. High quality build. http://www.geekbuying.com/item/LeTV...beu5t9M_XE_RS1obaybyCOHzHtXbbY8_lkaAqYe8P8HAQ
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I was eyeing this since it was announced but I affraid it does not has the required US lte bands, especially T Mobile.

rockky said:
Makes no sense to put that kind of $ into a phone at 6"4. 6" is a proven seller.
(unfortunately).
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Who said do 6.4 again... ? Evolve and do 6.8 or 7.0...

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I was eyeing this since it was announced but I affraid it does not has the required US lte bands, especially T Mobile.
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Not to mention that it will have ZERO community support, ZERO customer support in case of faults.
I'm hoping and waiting with my finger crossed for September.
I just feel Sony will not disappoint this time.
If the real news is just the 4K screen, with SD810 etc etc, I'll just wait a little bit more until it gets in the hands of various sites/blogs, wait for their impressions.
When I bought the Ultra I went on and read every single hands on, review or article regarding it, and every single one, despite dragging it down on measures (too big to do this, to large to do that etc), every single one was impressed on how much a beast was this phone.
Now this is what I want for the next Ultra. To be a freaking Unicorn. I don't give a s#it if they sell one or one million, I'll be the first in line to get it. [emoji12]
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i hope sony waits for the SD820 in the next Zultra. i will not buy nothing with the SD810. Perhaps we have to wait to new phones with helios X20

Here's my Z5+ Concept
my specs for this concept
5.7" 4K 3840 x 2160 IPS Display
773 Ppi Pixel Density
Corning Gorilla Glass 4
21.5MP Rear Camera 1/2.3" G Lens Dual Tone LED Flash
Hybrid AF
Exmor RS™ Sensor For Image & Video
Full HD Video Recording 1080p + 4K
Front Camera 13MP Exmor RS HDR 1080p With Dual Tone LED Flash
Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 MSM8996
NFC
Dual Front-facing stereo Speakers
Bluetooth v4.1
nanoSIM
Adreno 530
6.1 mm
150 grams
4GB LPDDR4 RAM
Android v5.1.1 Lollipop
Internal 64/128 GB Storage
3600mAh Battery
Waterproof & Dust Tight (IP65/68)
Exposed microUSB port
Fingerprint Scanner + Heart Rate Sensor On The Power Button
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5.7... ? 3600mAh... ? Fail.

6 inches could be fine IF Sony introduce a Z5 Tablet Compact with similar features. I have tried to fit the Z3 TC in my pockets and it works well so a device that size is a working backup plan if it would turn out that the next "Ultra" is a degradation of screen estate.
The next Ultra should have minimum a 6.44 inch display or up to 7 inch in order to qualify as a proper successor. A smaller 6 incher would be too much of a step back since it would require a lot of extra zooming when reading.
It would be great if Sony would make a keyboard flip cover as well and also further development of stylus support where they got on the right track with the "graphite pen" capable Ultra screen.
If the increased size of the device can be used to facilitate proper cooling of a Snapdragon 810, it could be an OK choice but if it turns out that the heating issues from the Z3+ is there, then it would be a huge drawback from the Ultra, which haven't overheated a single time during those two years I had it.

wingzero said:
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Why do you think it won't support US LTE?
I'm pretty sure there will be a US variant on this flagship series.

Worth Buying Nov 2016?

I am thinking of buying the Z5 Premium, do you think its worth getting at this point, and how is the Battery life under normal usage?
I just wanted general feedback from what you owners of the Premium think.
Thanks!!

Torguy said:
I am thinking of buying the Z5 Premium, do you think its worth getting at this point, and how is the Battery life under normal usage?
I just wanted general feedback from what you owners of the Premium think.
Thanks!!
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if you are SONY fan and can compromise over some of the hardware v/s price features then YES, buying Z5p in December 2016 is still fruitful
- the device has amazing resolution, each pixel shines!
- already have 6 patches/updates by SONY and soon will goto Nougat (android N)
- LAST Flagship of Z series (started in 2012) (Z /ZL / Z1 / Z2 / Z3 / Z4 and finally Z5)
- Last flashship device that came out on LP android 5.1 , so you can root without unlocking bootloader and can extract DRM KEYS before updating to MM

It's a good fone. However Sony support and updates are woefully slow. I only just got the August security release. If you plan on rooting and have never done it on a Sony fone, good luck. It's not the easiest... Battery life is good but not as good as my Z2.
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I was just about to ask the same question, when I saw this thread. I usually don't need any extra motivation when it comes to Xperia phones, as I'm in love with this brand since the day one.
However, it seems to me that there was never an Xperia phone so promising on paper, but being plagued with so many issues regarding hardware and/or software. So I have few questions that I hope you people with Z5's will know answer to.
First, regarding construction and build quality, is the back of this phone really made out of plastic and is it prone to scratches easily, like internet wants you to think?
Is that famous 3,5mm jack really so fragile, and is it the same across the whole production lifespan, like earliest models are exactly the same as latest production models?
Is there any real benefit with this 4K screen, besides watching the 4K video content, or are there some other situations when full 4K resolution is in action? And also, when it is, is the back panel really "cooking" hot like some people claim?
This beauty currently sells for about 420 euros in my country, so I'm really tempted to try it out.

Coming from the Note5 I was waiting for the Note7 battery issue to clear up. When they finally recalled it I came back to the Zed series. I am glad I did. My last Sony was the Z2 and I liked it enough but went back to the Note4 then the Note5. After only about a month with the Z5 Premium I do not think I will go back to the Note series. Do not get me wrong there are things I miss but I am thoroughly pleased with this device. I would not say that Sony is any slower than Samsung when it comes to updates. As for the build quality of the Z5 I do not think I could be happier. I am not sure about the comment of a plastic back as I put a protector on it immediately as well as a glass protector on the front and a Ringke case. Every thing I have seen says the back is glass. It boils down to how often you want to change devices. I would buy this phone again.

mr_torture said:
I was just about to ask the same question, when I saw this thread. I usually don't need any extra motivation when it comes to Xperia phones, as I'm in love with this brand since the day one.
However, it seems to me that there was never an Xperia phone so promising on paper, but being plagued with so many issues regarding hardware and/or software. So I have few questions that I hope you people with Z5's will know answer to.
First, regarding construction and build quality, is the back of this phone really made out of plastic and is it prone to scratches easily, like internet wants you to think?
Is that famous 3,5mm jack really so fragile, and is it the same across the whole production lifespan, like earliest models are exactly the same as latest production models?
Is there any real benefit with this 4K screen, besides watching the 4K video content, or are there some other situations when full 4K resolution is in action? And also, when it is, is the back panel really "cooking" hot like some people claim?
This beauty currently sells for about 420 euros in my country, so I'm really tempted to try it out.
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over the years i have purchased 5 Xperia phones and this is how i would rate z5p
1. hardware 8/10 - look, feel, shining everything stands out. the brightness of screen dims when fone is hot to protect processor
2. 4k works only on HD movies, othwise its regular 1080p
3 audio jack .. so far i never reached to the point where audio jack failing. but then i use it rarely since mostly i use bluetooth headphones
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Coming from the Note5 I was waiting for the Note7 battery issue to clear up. When they finally recalled it I came back to the Zed series. I am glad I did. My last Sony was the Z2 and I liked it enough but went back to the Note4 then the Note5. After only about a month with the Z5 Premium I do not think I will go back to the Note series. Do not get me wrong there are things I miss but I am thoroughly pleased with this device. I would not say that Sony is any slower than Samsung when it comes to updates. As for the build quality of the Z5 I do not think I could be happier. I am not sure about the comment of a plastic back as I put a protector on it immediately as well as a glass protector on the front and a Ringke case. Every thing I have seen says the back is glass. It boils down to how often you want to change devices. I would buy this phone again.
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I agree with you! the STOCK ROMs of SONY are better than of samsung in terms of minimal bloatware and somewhat better ram management. there are better roms out there who efficiently keeps ram at lower end (oxygen of oneplus3) however the whole feeling of xperia stockrom is better.
I never bought samsung for myself but my sister uses galaxy mega. i know samsung's rom and the performance. I might never buy samsung

To add to what @yusuHamed wrote about the headphone jack, I use mine 5 days a week on my way to work. I've never had a problem with it. I use different headphones as well, changing them nearly every week. And to add to what @CodeNameRedNeck wrote, I've semi retired my SGS3. I loved that fone. I also have a Z2 which I use daily. Sony devices are good but expensive. My Z5P might be my last one. The jury is still out. If I had broken it a day after I bought it, rest assured I would have bought another one as a replacement immediately. Now, I'm not so sure even the XZ would be a replacement I'd want.

guhvanoh said:
To add to what @yusuHamed wrote about the headphone jack, I use mine 5 days a week on my way to work. I've never had a problem with it. I use different headphones as well, changing them nearly every week. And to add to what @CodeNameRedNeck wrote, I've semi retired my SGS3. I loved that fone. I also have a Z2 which I use daily. Sony devices are good but expensive. My Z5P might be my last one. The jury is still out. If I had broken it a day after I bought it, rest assured I would have bought another one as a replacement immediately. Now, I'm not so sure even the XZ would be a replacement I'd want.
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for many whom I chat / talked, they keep saying z5 will be their last SONY PHONE, and yes it will be my last sony Phone also! I don't know about others but for me
- I think over the years Sony is not pushing their devices in the market the way it should have been.
- this creates -ve impact
- Sony xperia buyers / lovers don't find Support, accessories easily and if they do , after so much of leg work and on high prices
- the manufacturers are focusing on mid range cost effective devices and the market is saturated with so many devices offering similar specs (and some time even more than sony's) on a very reasonable prices
- Boxing Packing of Xperia's are missing covers, protectors, book covers (high end). I believe if sony has Boxed Z5/ Z5p with 9H protector and atleast one Leather book case on such high price for the device, it would have made a huge different for user like me who is still wandering for quality accessories/protectors
- one more reason of what i think sony getting extinct from market is that GOOGLE NEVER adopted Xperia for any of its NEXUS series!! (accept Z ultra which was using Google's origina AOSP and Sony had to REDUCE their price after some conflict). Had there been Nexus 8 on XPERIA it would had boosted / help Xperia Alot!. The complain of SONY releasing STOCK ROM very late, atleast would have subsided for NEXUS Xperia!

Even though Sony makes exceptional devices, I do not think they are good enough at marketing them.
That's a phone that I had to pick from a limited range of phones which I could buy with a contract from my carier as installment is forbidden for phones in Turkey. And actually I was there for either a Huawei P9 or Xperia Z3+. I didn't even know a Z5 Premium existed as the shelves are full of Xperia "X" derivatives and I wasn't following the market since I had my hard times with my Xperia Z2, even though it was my best phone at the same time.
Still, looked at it's photo scores, laying one point under the Pixel phone with an 88 and bought it.
+ 1080/4K conversion is the cleverest thing ever! Do not be afraid of 1080p this much. You don't race your devices technology, instead focus on the screen quality and it is awesome. Also, being a device of Snapdragon 810 in a S820 era, 1080p gives it the necessary GPU advantage as the S820 rivals have fixed 2556*1440 screen.
+it also saves battery
+the material quality is superb. I jumped from Sony to LG G4, then Nexus 5 and now back again to Sony. It is great. Not a fan of glass back though, Z5 was better at that with a full aluminum body. I picked Premium just for a bigger screen for only 70$ more.
+so far the best music experience from my Android phones always came with Sony. This one is no exception.
+battery life is the best amongst my phones.
+I like Sony's Android implementation. They are slow on updates but stable, also the Woodward is light. That's the opposite on LG G4.
+The bootloader is unlockable and device is easily rootable.
+good headphones in the box
+I listen to music ever day, and never had any problems with the jack.
+camera has greater field of view than the other one on the market, that allows you to capture more area into the frame. With a Samsung, you would be taking the same photo from 10 steps further
+it is good that Sony got rid of flaps from USB ports.
-of your hands are wet or sweaty, fingerprint sensor probably won't work. That's bad for a water proof phone.
-Glass back is so 2012 matter of preference though..
-DRM backup thing requires a bit reading before jumping into the custom software world. Or there is no going back.
-Sonys are a little bit expensive in my country. This costed me nearly 1000$. For comparison; a brand new iPhone 6S 64gb is like 1350-1400$.
-the touch screen is extremely sensitive, so much that I can NOT write at full speed since it reads my two thumbs as one seriously! G4 was on a bit a heavy side when it came to touch sensitivity, thus one recognizes my finger almost before I make contact with the screen..
-never had a chance to try another one but the with-came headphones are low on volume, even though the sound clearness is %100
-it may get hot on the glass panel.
-in a regular room temperature, after 55 min of full HD video it gave me an error saying the device was too hot and needed to get cool for a little time.
-not that I see it a con, but the front camera is a low mp for today's standards..
-I just can't seem to get used to the Album app, I prefer Google's Photos instead.
-back in the days, there was this team called Free Xperia. They were always one step ahead when it came to custom ROMs and kernels on Sony devices, also worked side by side with Cyanogen Team. However, nowadays Xperia Z devices lag behind other devices on especially Custom ROMs. I didn't know that when I was buying the device but was sure I would be able to unlock the bootloader. So it kind of was disappointing for me.. I have to make do with the original ROM for now I guess.. That's a big negative for me.
-the accessory side of Sony is so weak. At least here, don't about the rest of the world.
These are my observations. Hope helps. Which devices I would trade my Z5 Premium?
1)Nexus 6P (not officially in Turkey's market, slightly cheaper).I believe Pixel is something in the history we all will try to forget.. So best Nexus is the best phone on the world.
2) Oneplus 3. That one is great, and the price is great too. But couldn't find it on Turkey. (found it in one store, without a certain origin and the guy tried to sell me at 800$)
3) HTC 10. Noo, not me. Some may like it but I can't trust HTC after One X fiasco..
4) Xperia X seems nicer and thinner. If only I could accept a smaller screen..
That's all.

I don't know, I'm still undecided between this phone and Huawei P9, which sells for about 30 euros less right now. Another phone with Sony IMX 286 sensors and another one which "miraculously" manages to produce great looking photos out of Sony sensors. :/
I still think it is a crime what Sony is doing with its own phones regarding cameras and post-processing algorithms, and seeing what other phones with Sony sensors are capable of, but that's another story not related to this topic. When you think about it, almost all of Sony flagship phones in Android era were plagued with issues this or that kind, and again I end up buying most of them. It's probably going to be the case this time again. I have to be honest and say that with Nexus 6 and Nexus 6P especially, I had great experiences, but after each of these phones I returned to Xperias again, solely for my love for Sony. I'm getting a little bit tired of "unfinished" flagships one after another to be honest, but there is still some passion left in me for Xperia phones so I guess I will give this phone a chance, maybe one last time after 6 years of unconditional love for this brand.

mr_torture said:
I don't know, I'm still undecided between this phone and Huawei P9, which sells for about 30 euros less right now. Another phone with Sony IMX 286 sensors and another one which "miraculously" manages to produce great looking photos out of Sony sensors. :/
I still think it is a crime what Sony is doing with its own phones regarding cameras and post-processing algorithms, and seeing what other phones with Sony sensors are capable of, but that's another story not related to this topic. When you think about it, almost all of Sony flagship phones in Android era were plagued with issues this or that kind, and again I end up buying most of them. It's probably going to be the case this time again. I have to be honest and say that with Nexus 6 and Nexus 6P especially, I had great experiences, but after each of these phones I returned to Xperias again, solely for my love for Sony. I'm getting a little bit tired of "unfinished" flagships one after another to be honest, but there is still some passion left in me for Xperia phones so I guess I will give this phone a chance, maybe one last time after 6 years of unconditional love for this brand.
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the race against time value, money and fair trade has never been so tighter before for xperias! as you mentioned the "unfinished flagships" is still the case even now with sony xperias where so many other flagship devices are offering so much more for competitive prices, boxing honestly to delight end users and enriching their experience by rich after sale support! its not just one area sony xperias are getting beaten up! its almost every ground, marketing, branding, hardware, pricing, after sale support, replacements, slow updates!
but then agian! as a die hard xperia fan! after z5p, i will buy next xperia somewhere in 2018. By then perhaps 5g will be out and my country will have VOLTE and sony may be giving 6gb ram with snapdragon821 processor, 64gb inbuild, 256gb sdcard, awsome android with switch between nav bar and or touch bar (like oneplus3). BOX containing screen guards and leather book cover .... and ROOTING option in DEVELOPER OPTIONS (like CYNOGENMOD ROMS).............
AM i imagining too much ?

I don't know what to do, literally. :/ I want this phone so much, and yet at the same time, I'm listening to music so much, that idea of audio jack failure in short time is driving me crazy. I guess I will have to choose between X, regular Z5 and Huawei P9 or even Mate 8 (although I find EMUI terribly ugly and unpractical).
*Now going in bed to watch all the Z5P unboxing videos over and over again.

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I don't know what to do, literally. :/ I want this phone so much, and yet at the same time, I'm listening to music so much, that idea of audio jack failure in short time is driving me crazy. I guess I will have to choose between X, regular Z5 and Huawei P9 or even Mate 8 (although I find EMUI terribly ugly and unpractical).
*Now going in bed to watch all the Z5P unboxing videos over and over again.
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I have had two z5 premiums, one for 8 months and another for a month now. No headphone jack issue for either one.

If you can't get a model that can support an unlocked bootloader, then just skip this disaster of a device. I regret every minute of owning mine.

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If you can't get a model that can support an unlocked bootloader, then just skip this disaster of a device. I regret every minute of owning mine.
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Care to elaborate this in few words? Why disaster? I can't seem to find any disastrous failure with this phone beside that headphone jack issue. At least reading the web doesn't reveal any additional disaster.

mr_torture said:
Care to elaborate this in few words? Why disaster? I can't seem to find any disastrous failure with this phone beside that headphone jack issue. At least reading the web doesn't reveal any additional disaster.
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It's mostly how most carriers in North America locked down the bootloader, meaning there was zero way for most of us to root the phone unless we bought it straight from Sony. Without root, the phone looks great on paper but there's so much untapped potential going on that it's ridiculous.
Not sure how things operate over in Sarajevo, but there's a "phone number" you slap into the dialer to bring you to a status menu of sorts that indicates if the phone's bootloader is locked or unlocked. If it's unlocked, I'd say it'd be an amazing piece of tech. But without being able to root it (as a power user) it feels like having a Ferrari that you can't drive more than 10km/h in - looks great, but it's all just looks. I can go more into detail via PM if you want to know more. I'm just salty and felt like I got burned by a company that's supposed to embrace the dev community.

Have you tried this?
http://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/unlock-yourboot-loader/
Edit: never mind I see what you are saying.

I move from Samsung to Sony after having issues with Samsung phones and bough the Z5 premium as wanted high def music and 4k feature and to be honest I LOVE the phone I recently rooted the device which was a complete hassle and I wish i hadnt done it but that aside the phone is great, battery life is pretty good and when viewing photos it automatically goes into 4k mode which is just awesome, i listen to high def music alot and got rid of my FIIO E17 as the phone does a good enough job

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....I'm just salty and felt like I got burned by a company that's supposed to embrace the dev community.
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Your complaint should be addressed to your carrier...Sony sells phones with unlockable bootloaders, carriers force them to completely lock it down...
And nowadays in the US at least, carriers don't even subsidise phones any more, so might as well buy straight from the source and no more bootloader worries...

You know what, I just bought this one, so I guess that's it when it comes to my opinion is it worth bying or not. And wow, the package itself is amazing, as well as contents inside. Free screen protector, UHC10 quick charger, MH750 headset... Seems quite premium if you ask me, because somebody earlier mentioned how the package seem a bit poor compared to rivals.
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