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I am seriously looking forward to the shield but I couldn't care less about the android gaming portion of the device. The only reason I would be buying this is for the streaming option, I already have a i7 920 machine with a gtx 770 gpu (talk about too much gpu for an older CPU) and have my whole house wires with cat5e and wireless n routers/access points. The shield would be my dream come true, I would just take it to any tv in the house and connect it with the hdmi out and basically play my pc games anywhere I want, or if needs be, on the shield screen itself.
Those who are married with kids know exactly why this sort of mobility is why the shield is 100% worth it. My problem? That the shield is a complete flop (it probably will) and nvidia does a dreamcast on us and drops support for it in a few years and no more streaming games.
Any chance o a type of root hack or something that will allow us to stream games nvidia doesn't allow?
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I am seriously looking forward to the shield but I couldn't care less about the android gaming portion of the device. The only reason I would be buying this is for the streaming option, I already have a i7 920 machine with a gtx 770 gpu (talk about too much gpu for an older CPU) and have my whole house wires with cat5e and wireless n routers/access points. The shield would be my dream come true, I would just take it to any tv in the house and connect it with the hdmi out and basically play my pc games anywhere I want, or if needs be, on the shield screen itself.
Those who are married with kids know exactly why this sort of mobility is why the shield is 100% worth it. My problem? That the shield is a complete flop (it probably will) and nvidia does a dreamcast on us and drops support for it in a few years and no more streaming games.
Any chance o a type of root hack or something that will allow us to stream games nvidia doesn't allow?
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Don't even need a root hack. There are already ways around the "supported game list".
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Don't even need a root hack. There are already ways around the "supported game list".
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Oh man, seriously? With functioning gamepad and everything? Talk about good news! Thanks!
kuhne said:
Oh man, seriously? With functioning gamepad and everything? Talk about good news! Thanks!
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Assuming the *game* supports an external gamepad. I tried to get "Rock of Ages" to work, but it doesn't. Of course, I've had multiple times where that game won't work with *the keyboard connected to the system*. It's pretty flaky. But most games support an external controller, and just work.
It's not fake mouse and keyboard events, it's a real controller.
You have your hands on a shield already?
I'm a technical lead for android on it.
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I'm a technical lead for android on it.
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Oh, nice, so you workked on the project officialy with Nvidia or how did that work?
Won't you get into trouble for letting me know we already can get around the allowed games?
I won't take anymore of your time, I just wanted to ask how the overall streaming experience was? With my setup being a i7 920 with a gtx 770 and 12gb of ram and my router being a belkin N router (no A, just N). My idea is to connect the shield with a long hdmi cable to my 60inch lcd and play my computer games there (my computer is in another room altogether)
In a situation like this, will my intentions work? I am very excited for this device for this reason alone!
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Oh, nice, so you workked on the project officialy with Nvidia or how did that work?
Won't you get into trouble for letting me know we already can get around the allowed games?
I won't take anymore of your time, I just wanted to ask how the overall streaming experience was? With my setup being a i7 920 with a gtx 770 and 12gb of ram and my router being a belkin N router (no A, just N). My idea is to connect the shield with a long hdmi cable to my 60inch lcd and play my computer games there (my computer is in another room altogether)
In a situation like this, will my intentions work? I am very excited for this device for this reason alone!
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The weak link in your setup will be the wifi router. I haven't had great luck on the 2.4GHz spectrum, but I also have a noisy 2.4GHz range (many APs nearby, baby monitors, etc)
Outside of that, you, that will work. I wish they had used MHL for the HDMI out, so that you didn't need two cables to be charging and playing, but I don't know if MHL can do 2 amp charging or not. I'm hopeful that Monoprice will start selling their very sexy thin HDMI cables for mini HDMI (I haven't looked lately, so they may already have them), and then it wouldn't be terrible to connect via HDMI video. I think you can use a bluetooth controller with SHIELD, so you could set it on a table as a "dongle" for streaming PC games.
I still work on SHIELD. And I love working on it. One of my responsibilities is to make sure we stay as close to pure AOSP as possible, while supporting product features which AOSP doesn't (try using a controller to navigate the launcher...). That said, NVIDIA doesn't sponsor (or probably condone) my speaking on dev forums, but I'm also careful about what I say. Working around non-supported games was planned ahead of time. Supported games means games we've tested and made sure work smoothly. But you can add any games you'd like to Steam (heck, you can add Microsoft Word to Steam) and they'll show up via "Steam Big Picture" on SHIELD.
You'll notice I don't reply to launch date or "what caused the delay" threads. I do *like* keeping my job. That would be "leaking" information.
Got it I won't ask those questions then.
Just worried about the router thing you mentioned. My fiber op goes directly into a dual band n router but that is in the same room as the computer so using the shield there makes no sense. I have a cat 5e cable going from that router over 150 feet to my home theater room and over there it connects to an older Belkin N router which i have set up as an access point.
That's the room i plan on doing most of my shield gaming streaming from the pc in the other room.
Why would you say this wouldn't work? Cat5e not enough? N router not enough?
What sort of speeds does the shield require?
Also, what you mentioned about setting the shield on a table and connect another controller to it via Bluetooth is just incredible. This means i could connect a wireless keyboard and mouse to it. I'm abit of an old school gamer myself and not that much into game pads when taking about fast reaction in games. Love game pads for rpgs and things like that.
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But you can add any games you'd like to Steam (heck, you can add Microsoft Word to Steam) and they'll show up via "Steam Big Picture" on SHIELD.
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HECK YES! lol i've been wanting to hear words like this for a LONG time.
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HECK YES! lol i've been wanting to hear words like this for a LONG time.
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I can't promise apps like Microsoft Word will stream because they aren't full screen... But yes, you aren't restricted to just the handful of games NVIDIA officially supports.
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I can't promise apps like Microsoft Word will stream because they aren't full screen... But yes, you aren't restricted to just the handful of games NVIDIA officially supports.
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awesome... maybe play some shadowrun for 2006's sake
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Also, what you mentioned about setting the shield on a table and connect another controller to it via Bluetooth is just incredible. This means i could connect a wireless keyboard and mouse to it. I'm abit of an old school gamer myself and not that much into game pads when taking about fast reaction in games. Love game pads for rpgs and things like that.
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You could probably attach any keyboard and mouse to it through the usb on the back if you get a USB-OTG to full size USB adapter/hub. I'm not 100% sure the shield supports it yet but I would be surprised if it didn't.
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You could probably attach any keyboard and mouse to it through the usb on the back if you get a USB-OTG to full size USB adapter/hub. I'm not 100% sure the shield supports it yet but I would be surprised if it didn't.
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You are right. And with the steam big picture thing commented before. The shield at 299 seems to be going from bargain to 'wtf are you kidding" device of the year.
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I know it supports OTG, as well as keyboard and mouse. Haven't tried those while streaming a game though...
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I know it supports OTG, as well as keyboard and mouse. Haven't tried those while streaming a game though...
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I'm just curious if it be possible to save games to the sdcard instead? Or would we have to root and use application like foldermount etc
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I'm just curious if it be possible to save games to the sdcard instead? Or would we have to root and use application like foldermount etc
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I have no idea. I haven't really looked at what sdcard support it has. Just that it has an sdcard jack.
Any plans for any multiplayer games on steam to be supported on the shield. Ex: team fortress, Cod bo2, battlefield...
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Also works if you have a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and that would save you from having to use the USB-OTG to hub.
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Any plans for any multiplayer games on steam to be supported on the shield. Ex: team fortress, Cod bo2, battlefield...
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given the information agrabren has given us buddy any game with controller support should work.
Hello,
I purchased one of the Woot refurbished Nexus 10's and just received a few days ago. It looked spanking brand new/never touched when taking out of the box. Was on 4.2 so OTA updated to 4.3, then 4.4. Not rooted.
One of the main reasons I purchased it was to stream netflix and amazon prime. I was able to get amazon prime working with Dolphin browser and the flash hack, but both constantly stop/lag when trying to stream a movie (amazon with message 'loading video', neflix with 'buffering').
I'm on wireless N network with 5 bars through the house on everything except for the Nexus, which only shows 2 bars. No issues streaming netflix/amazon through laptop or roku. Even when I take the N10 right next to the router where it will then move to 5 bars, I still can't stream successfully.
I've put the MAC address on high QOS, and also cleared the cache partition. Anyone have any other suggestions of what I could try? Or does this sound like a defective unit?
I appreciate your help!
Why don't you try using the apps. There's a Netflix app and an amazon app. You. Won't need any hacks to get them working and I use the Netflix one just fine on mine.
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abdel12345 said:
Why don't you try using the apps. There's a Netflix app and an amazon app. You. Won't need any hacks to get them working and I use the Netflix one just fine on mine.
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Hello,
I did download the Amazon tablet app but couldn't find where you could watch Amazon prime, only shop?
I am using the Netflix android app, and it constantly says buffering with streaming.
Thanks
neemypeemy said:
Hello,
I purchased one of the Woot refurbished Nexus 10's and just received a few days ago.
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Well lucky you, I bought first day offer appeared and I still not got mine.
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It looked spanking brand new/never touched when taking out of the box. Was on 4.2 so OTA updated to 4.3, then 4.4. Not rooted.
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Good to know!
neemypeemy said:
One of the main reasons I purchased it was to stream netflix and amazon prime. I was able to get amazon prime working with Dolphin browser and the flash hack, but both constantly stop/lag when trying to stream a movie (amazon with message 'loading video', neflix with 'buffering').
I'm on wireless N network with 5 bars through the house on everything except for the Nexus, which only shows 2 bars. No issues streaming netflix/amazon through laptop or roku. Even when I take the N10 right next to the router where it will then move to 5 bars, I still can't stream successfully.
I've put the MAC address on high QOS, and also cleared the cache partition. Anyone have any other suggestions of what I could try? Or does this sound like a defective unit?
I appreciate your help!
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So I'd suggest three approaches:
Try initially a Wifi booster app. My N7 gets a weaker wifi than my N4, both in terms of bars and Mbit connection. I had to use a N7 Wifi booster. The one I tried was Internet Speed Master https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nezdroid.internetspeedmaster
Do a stock flash. WUGS to 4.4, to clear out any 4.2.2--->4.3--->4.4 sedimentary layers, assuming you're comfortable with flashing stock rather than OTA updates?
My N7 Wifi woes I had to tweak my router to finally fix, which I changed from "auto" band and auto channel width, to using the tablet's own Wifi, the Wifi analyser app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer , to find which band was least congested and then I manually made it that band and manually made it 20mhz, then my speed went up by a factor of 5 !
Collectively, I can't tell you which of all 3 ideas was the "killer" one but I tried all 3 and Hulu on my N7 got progressively better. The most intrusive of the above is the middle one, so try say 3 then say 1 then finally 2.
I'd also appreciate feedback on progress as if this is a problem with N10 I'll be in your same shoes middle of the week when Woot's chosen idiotic postal service finally delivers.
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Well lucky you, I bought first day offer appeared and I still not got mine.
Good to know!
So I'd suggest three approaches:
Try initially a Wifi booster app. My N7 gets a weaker wifi than my N4, both in terms of bars and Mbit connection. I had to use a N7 Wifi booster. The one I tried was Internet Speed Master https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nezdroid.internetspeedmaster
Do a stock flash. WUGS to 4.4, to clear out any 4.2.2--->4.3--->4.4 sedimentary layers, assuming you're comfortable with flashing stock rather than OTA updates?
My N7 Wifi woes I had to tweak my router to finally fix, which I changed from "auto" band and auto channel width, to using the tablet's own Wifi, the Wifi analyser app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer , to find which band was least congested and then I manually made it that band and manually made it 20mhz, then my speed went up by a factor of 5 !
Collectively, I can't tell you which of all 3 ideas was the "killer" one but I tried all 3 and Hulu on my N7 got progressively better. The most intrusive of the above is the middle one, so try say 3 then say 1 then finally 2.
I'd also appreciate feedback on progress as if this is a problem with N10 I'll be in your same shoes middle of the week when Woot's chosen idiotic postal service finally delivers.
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Yeah, I bought mine on 24th, was fretting because it was in shipping status for three days and then was delivered USPS Friday (I'm in FL). Saturday I received an email from Woot saying it was shipped....
I will try your suggestions and report back.
Thank you!
neemypeemy said:
Yeah, I bought mine on 24th, was fretting because it was in shipping status for three days and then was delivered USPS Friday (I'm in FL). Saturday I received an email from Woot saying it was shipped....
I will try your suggestions and report back.
Thank you!
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Ditto, ditto, not ditto, ditto, my email on Saturday showed a future Tuesday delivery. My unit is currently 20miles from house, apparently motionless for 3 days.
Thanks. My intention was immediately out-the-box flash to 4.4. KRT16S and root and then take it from there.
I'd also disable anything wireless on the N10 which isn't Wifi, to eliminate any interference inside your unit. I see from specs it has NFC so disable it and disable Bluetooth. If those last two ideas actually fix it then for sure your physical device has dud-ness but at least you got proof for a Woot return, or to negotiate for a credit if you can live with the problem.
Some of these refurbished units will have a legitimate reason for return, but as the original owner of your unit found, new units have issues too so I was game for a refurbished.
Good luck
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Ditto, ditto, not ditto, ditto, my email on Saturday showed a future Tuesday delivery. My unit is currently 20miles from house, apparently motionless for 3 days.
Thanks. My intention was immediately out-the-box flash to 4.4. KRT16S and root and then take it from there.
I'd also disable anything wireless on the N10 which isn't Wifi, to eliminate any interference inside your unit. I see from specs it has NFC so disable it and disable Bluetooth. If those last two ideas actually fix it then for sure your physical device has dud-ness but at least you got proof for a Woot return, or to negotiate for a credit if you can live with the problem.
Some of these refurbished units will have a legitimate reason for return, but as the original owner of your unit found, new units have issues too so I was game for a refurbished.
Good luck
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Ok, well tried all 3 and unfortunately nothing worked. The lagging now seems to be a litter better, but now the lips don't match the words in either netflix or amazon streaming, which is extremely annoying.. Also tried completely erasing after the direct flash to 4.4.
If anyone has anything else I could try I would greatly appreciate it..
Thank you,
Lynn
EDIT: So turned off the bluetooth as suggested above and lips sync now.... I want to listen with bluetooth headset, shouldn't this work??
Thanks
neemypeemy said:
Ok, well tried all 3 and unfortunately nothing worked. The lagging now seems to be a litter better, but now the lips don't match the words in either netflix or amazon streaming, which is extremely annoying.. Also tried completely erasing after the direct flash to 4.4.
If anyone has anything else I could try I would greatly appreciate it..
Thank you,
Lynn
EDIT: So turned off the bluetooth as suggested above and lips sync now.... I want to listen with bluetooth headset, shouldn't this work??
Thanks
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Saw on another xda thread someone got the sony dr-bt22s bt headphones to work on a note 10.01 without audio lag. I got these years ago and were in a box in the shed of old electronics to sell on ebay, so charging them up (3hrs), fingers crossed as the fresh install seems to have solved the loading/buffering issues so far.
Ok, I'm about ready to give up, bluetooth is off and just tested streaming again and the lip synching issue is same bluetooth on or off. No other streaming in the house, 5 bars everywhere except on the tablet.
If anyone has any ideas, please let me know, thanks!
Network bandwidth is more of a WiFi issue. Lip sync is more of an app issue.
You might have one or both. The fact you have lip sync issues implies to me an app issue (but you might still have WiFi issues also).
Try to eliminate it to Wifi performance by doing a more basic test like FTP off a LAN device. Compare to some other working performing well device.
FTP tends to more track WiFi performance as it is a simple light protocol. Don't do SFTP or SCP.
If you don't have a LAN device to copy off then at least try WAN test like a Internet bandwidth test because that at least shows your bandwidth off the Internet which matches your intended use of the N10. There are Android apps for bandwidth testing but whatever you compare to should be as similar as possible e.g. another well performing Android device.
Then those results will confirm it is WiFi or not root cause. If it is WiFi then sounds like you got a dud. If not WiFi then you have an app/Abdroid issue.
Did you do a FULL wipe and flash?
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nigelhealy said:
Network bandwidth is more of a WiFi issue. Lip sync is more of an app issue.
You might have one or both. The fact you have lip sync issues implies to me an app issue (but you might still have WiFi issues also).
Try to eliminate it to Wifi performance by doing a more basic test like FTP off a LAN device. Compare to some other working performing well device.
FTP tends to more track WiFi performance as it is a simple light protocol. Don't do SFTP or SCP.
If you don't have a LAN device to copy off then at least try WAN test like a Internet bandwidth test because that at least shows your bandwidth off the Internet which matches your intended use of the N10. There are Android apps for bandwidth testing but whatever you compare to should be as similar as possible e.g. another well performing Android device.
Then those results will confirm it is WiFi or not root cause. If it is WiFi then sounds like you got a dud. If not WiFi then you have an app/Abdroid issue.
Did you do a FULL wipe and flash?
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Hi,
Yes, I did a full wipe and fresh 4.4 install with wugfresh nrt. I do have a samsung galaxy s4 phone so will try speedtest from both to compare, thank you for the reply and suggestion!
android speedtest.net results..
Nexus 10 (4.4): Download 14.65, upload 2.37
Galaxy S4 (4.3): Download 17.21, upload 2.96
Has anyone seen issues with Netflix or Amazon Instant after 4.4 update?
neemypeemy said:
android speedtest.net results..
Nexus 10 (4.4): Download 14.65, upload 2.37
Galaxy S4 (4.3): Download 17.21, upload 2.96
Has anyone seen issues with Netflix or Amazon Instant after 4.4 update?
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Right so the N10 is getting pretty much the same raw bandwidth.
It might be worth doing these tests 3-5 times and average. N10 is slower but not enough to account for a major streaming issue.
I am sorry but I can't help you further but I'd say you have confirmed it is not really your N10 specific unit wifi fault so go ask your 4.4 and app questions in a more frequently accessed forum. There is about 5% of the postings in this forum than others due to few N10s sold.
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Right so the N10 is getting pretty much the same raw bandwidth.
It might be worth doing these tests 3-5 times and average. N10 is slower but not enough to account for a major streaming issue.
I am sorry but I can't help you further but I'd say you have confirmed it is not really your N10 specific unit wifi fault so go ask your 4.4 and app questions in a more frequently accessed forum. There is about 5% of the postings in this forum than others due to few N10s sold.
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ok, thanks for your help!
turn off "Wifi optimization" ?
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I am sorry but I can't help you further ....
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Random stab at a possible clue? http://www.pocketables.com/2013/10/...ing-trouble-using-certain-apps-over-wifi.html
I tried it on my N7 which also suffers relatively poor Wifi, it seemed to nudge up a LAN FTP speed up by an average of 25% but such is highly erratic I'd have to download like 10GB with it on/off before I could form a conclusion..... (I might do that... but it will take a few hours....)
I'll give it a try, thanks! Seems to be doing much better after the straight 4.4 install rather than the updates from 4.2..
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I'll give it a try, thanks! Seems to be doing much better after the straight 4.4 install rather than the updates from 4.2..
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My N10 is the fastest thing on my LAN, 5 bars and 130Mbit speed, but it's actual file-transfer speed is the same about 4MB/s. If I plug the harddrive directly in I get 20Mb/s. I know to ignore what the bars reads as they are arbitrarily set by the vendor.
It is worrying that we seem to need to flash stock to overwrite and start from scratch to get performance. I can theorise what is causing the problems but I don't know. My guess is they are not fully testing upgrades and they're doing say stock, upgrade, test, not stock, install loads of apps, upgrade, test.
I learned over 20 years to do periodic fresh installs with Windows, and even Linux, I'm overdue to a stock Ubuntu install. There is a creeping slowness which accumulates and install/deinstall don't put it back exactly as-is. Android 4.4, I was playing with NTFS read/write and in terminal looking at modules and files, and I installed an NTFS app and deinstalled it but left a change in the filesystem over-writing a newer file with an older file and not undoing it in de-install. So imagine that crappy coding over an entire OS?
Also, my only lagginess was in background file copies making interactive use really slow, it happened in two totally different 4.2.2. devices and went away with 4.4 stock fresh install, that implies they have tweaked the underlying filesystem, or how caching is done. A filesystem is not something you can upgrade in-situ, well not easily.
I spent 2 days benchmarking 4.2.2---OTA----4.3----OTA----4.4 vs stock 4.3 and stock 4.4 and the performance gain is real, both Wifi speed, file transfer speed. Stability doesn't seem affected though. I'll also now work out the minimum apps I need and just keep total apps to minimum, as installing/removing is not perfect.
I wanted to start a thread discussing Amazon's new FireTV and removing Amazon's custom ROM and using AOSP.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC
A great piece of hardware.
Size 4.5" x 4.5" x 0.7" (115 mm x 115 mm x 17.5 mm)Weight9.9 oz (281 grams)SOC PlatformQualcomm Snapdragon 8064ProcessorQualcomm Krait 300, quad-core to 1.7 GhzGPU Qualcomm Adreno 320Storage 8 GB internalMemory 2 GB LPDDR2 @ 533 MHZWi-Fi ConnectivityDual-band, dual-antenna Wi-Fi (MIMO) for faster streaming and fewer dropped connections than standard Wi-Fi. Supports public and private Wi-Fi networks that use the 802.11a/b/g/n standard with support for WEP, WPA and WPA2 security using password authenticationBluetooth Bluetooth 4.0 with support for the following profiles: HID, HFP 1.6, SPPPorts 5.5 mm DC Jack
Type A HDMI 1.4b output, w/HDCP
Optical Audio (TOSLINK)
10/100 Ethernet
USB 2.0 Type A
AudioSupport for Dolby Digital Plus, 5.1 surround sound, 2ch Stereo and HDMI audio pass through up to 7.1
Output Resolution Supported 720p and 1080p up to 60fps
I have one on order and will be here tomorrow. 04/03/14
Seems pretty sweet. Root + ROMs even better.
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Seems pretty sweet. Root + ROMs even better.
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Agreed... I am not a developer any longer and do not have ties to get it moving... I guess this will be a waiting game... When we can see root & ROM
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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*A little bit of topic*
This remote I have been using for years and work just perfect with my XBMC
http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows...3171&sr=8-9&keywords=remote+control+microsoft
Cost next to nothing with a USB IR receiver.
Got my Fire TV today, can't wait for the hacking community to get in on this one. Looks like its got lots of potential, especially in the retro/emulation arena with the optional remote.
A USB keyboard works great, but the generic WMC ir receiver didn't. So that quick, cheap "hack" didn't pan out.
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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travisnj said:
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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SkzBR said:
It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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Agreed.. My logic and reason is IR is minimally 20yrs old tech that's all but obsolete. IMO...
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Anyone interested in Rooting Amazon FireTV...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703716
brizey said:
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
sluflyer06 said:
Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
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no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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I'm all for fast networks, all our computers at home have one or more solid state drives so even gigabit is not enough at this point. I get why didn't they put it on the FireTV but maybe the hardware inside couldn't talk to the port at 100MB/s anyway so it might not be that these boxes couldn't have Gethernet but that if they did install it your actual throughput might be crap anyway.
Nice that we have a forum/section for this device.
More 2.0 USB ports (no need for a HUB) and Gigabit Ethernet would have definitely made it more desirable.
USB 3.0 will probably come with next year's qualcomm CPUs.
The biggest thing that I'm looking forward to is AOSP ROMs, and the bootloader hacks to install it.
sluflyer06 said:
Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
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no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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I'm all for fast networks, all our computers at home have one or more solid state drives so even gigabit is not enough at this point. I get why didn't they put it on the FireTV but maybe the hardware inside couldn't talk to the port at 100MB/s anyway so it might not be that these boxes couldn't have Gethernet but that if they did install it your actual throughput might be crap anyway.
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Lol, looks like others jumped in before I got here. For me, it is mostly about downloading to attached storage quickly. Plus, why not? Annoying to leave out a $2 part to make the magic $99 price point.
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*A little bit of topic*
This remote I have been using for years and work just perfect with my XBMC
http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows...3171&sr=8-9&keywords=remote+control+microsoft
Cost next to nothing with a USB IR receiver.
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travisnj said:
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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SkzBR said:
It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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Agreed.. My logic and reason is IR is minimally 20yrs old tech that's all but obsolete. IMO...
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It is only sort of obsolete. The thing is, it is the only pretty much universal control platform for AV gear. With a few exceptions like this and the Roku 3, pretty much every AV component has an IR in.
I don't have a Logitech, I have an old URC MX-880 with an RF base station. All my gear is in built-in cabinets in what was supposed to be the media niche in my family room. I have a custom built low profile fireplace mantle, and our firebox is sitting on the slab. This allowed us to mount the TV above the fireplace at a more reasonable height, and more importantly, in the center of the room. The only wires showing are the sub cable and its power cable, and even those just barely. The surround speakers are all in-ceiling ( our family room has almost no wall space...its all open to the kitchen, foyer, bedroom hallway, and windows). So the RF remote kicks butt. The Logitech remotes are nice (wish URC had as many IR codes), but they are not as flexible as a URC, even something as low-end for them as an old MX-880. I used to be in the business, so I have CCP, etc. and can program it myself.
I am not willing to give all that up for a $99 box when I have another $99 box that works with it. Plus, she-who-decides wants one f%$ing remote.
Heh, still better than an X-Box One, lol. (Google "longer cable for Kinect" if you like to read rage.)
So for anyone that doesn't know this is Moonlight https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.limelight&hl=en (which used to be called Limelight).
Anyways Moonlight works off the Nvidia streaming service but is available to download off any Android device. I'm wondering if anyone has sideloaded it to their Nexus Player and if they have how does it run?
The Intel CPU and 1GB of RAM seem a bit on the low side compared to the Razer Forge and the NVidia Shield specs but if it runs smoothly I'm thinking of getting the Nexus Player instead of waiting.
Cheers
I can't speak for the Nexus Player as I didn't know about this app while I had it, but I do have the Razer Forge and it works pretty well. Though I'd assume you'll have a better experience than I will if your internet upload and download speed is pretty good.
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I can't speak for the Nexus Player as I didn't know about this app while I had it, but I do have the Razer Forge and it works pretty well. Though I'd assume you'll have a better experience than I will if your internet upload and download speed is pretty good.
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Yeah well I'm from Australia and the only way to get the Razer Forge atm is to ship it from the US while i can get the NP from a local store. Im assuming you're using Moonlight because Razer Cortex isn't out yet? Hmmm maybe I'll just try it...
For me it works beautifully. It used to be laggy, but the latest versions of either Moonligth or Nvidia experience have fixed the issue. It works smoothly at 1080p 60fps. I have my computer conected to my router via ethernet, and the Nexus player with 802.11ac
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For me it works beautifully. It used to be laggy, but the latest versions of either Moonligth or Nvidia experience have fixed the issue. It works smoothly at 1080p 60fps. I have my computer conected to my router via ethernet, and the Nexus player with 802.11ac
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I ended up getting the Nexus player and trying it out. Maybe my wifi connection isn't strong enough but in general it was too laggy to play Razer Forge is having a TON of issues aswell so I might have to wait for the Nvidia Shield or something
i tested it out last weekend and was playing in 1080p 60fps over 802.11ac wifi without any lag
was getting occasional frame skips which i assume was related to the streaming setup, but i was testing using a new game i got that played well with a controller so i don't know how this game runs normally and can't be certain.
I do have a nexus player with the moonlight plus i have the Nvidia shield tablet and trust me my Nexus player stream better than my Shield, my Shield does fine with stream from the Grid stream almost with no LAG at all but when I stream from my PC the LAG is too much I don't know why, but if I used the Nexus Player with the Moonlight stream almost the same as the Shield playing the Grid stream ...
I have totally high hopes for this. Best Buy has the Nexus Player on sale for $69 and the controller for $40. I had $15 in rewards points and a 10% coupon that I used on the Nexus Player, so I ordered both. Got them for $93 shipped to my door. Half the price of the Shield TV and $60 less than the Razer, so I figure at worst I'll have to return it for one of the others if it doesn't work well. It'll work well, though. I have a Time Capsule 802.11ac, my PC is connected via Ethernet, and my 5GHz 802.11ac network is supported in a 2x2 MIMO config on the Nexus Player. It'll be about 10 feet from the router. Supposed to be here Thursday so I'll come back and let you know how it does.
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I have totally high hopes for this. Best Buy has the Nexus Player on sale for $69 and the controller for $40. I had $15 in rewards points and a 10% coupon that I used on the Nexus Player, so I ordered both. Got them for $93 shipped to my door. Half the price of the Shield TV and $60 less than the Razer, so I figure at worst I'll have to return it for one of the others if it doesn't work well. It'll work well, though. I have a Time Capsule 802.11ac, my PC is connected via Ethernet, and my 5GHz 802.11ac network is supported in a 2x2 MIMO config on the Nexus Player. It'll be about 10 feet from the router. Supposed to be here Thursday so I'll come back and let you know how it does.
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How does it run?
The Nexus Player is about 20 feet from the router, and the signal is going through three walls. With my setup it runs really well at 720p60. I don't really feel like it's dropping any frames. I also turned up the bitrate to 15mbps, and it made a big difference in the image quality and it was still very smooth. On 1080p60, it dropped enough frames that I could feel it but it was still quite playable. I was not really able to turn the bitrate up.
I also tried Kinoconsole, and it was not nearly as good. Zero configuration options, 1080p all the way, stuck at 30fps. Also requires extra software on the PC, which I didn't really want anyway. Wasn't going to pay for the app with the promise of better video quality unless I could see it, so I quit at that.
The Nexus Player's controller does not have a start button, so if your game needs to use the start button you're out of luck. I ended up plugging a wireless 360 controller into the PC directly and controlled the game that way. I didn't have an OTG cable laying around to try it on the Player itself.
The Nexus Player ended up going back to Best Buy, though. Using the Asus controller in emulators and whatnot, Bluetooth would freeze after about 15 minutes. Happened repeatedly probably 8 or 10 times over a 2 day span. I factory reset the device and it continued. Also, the Asus controller's d-pad is terrible, but that is neither here nor there. Since I wasn't sure if it was the device's fault or the controller's I just returned the whole setup. I do know that not even the Player's bundled remote would work once Bluetooth quit, and the controller lights would flash like it was trying to connect again. I have a feeling it was the player.
I ordered a Shield. It should be here tomorrow. The controller should be much better, and I'm hoping nVidia has a workaround for the Start button. If not I'll stick with my 360 controller for PC games. Now I'm getting off topic.
Bottom line: if you're not having other issues with the Nexus Player, you might as well grab Moonlight.
I had a shield tablet shipped in from the US and also have NBN (100Mbps DL / 40Mbps UL). I play with gamestream as I can push the detail to "Max 25Mbps" and have it set to [email protected] via my 5Ghz Wifi on ASUS RT-AC68U Router. No problems (Apart from the creeping in input lag)
Moonlight hates either my router, internet or PC as even if I choose [email protected] and detail to 4Mbps within 1-2 seconds of starting a stream, the screen gets pixelated and Moonight spits out a "Your network is not good enough to stream this, lower your resolution and detail and try again.
Does my tablet need to be hooked up to ethernet for Moonlight to work? Or do I need to move to america where the download and upload speeds are more like 1,000Mbps
I'm just curious as to if the Moto z force supports mhl or slimport. I see that slimport is coming out with a USB c to HDMI this month.
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I'm just curious as to if the Moto z force supports mhl or slimport. I see that slimport is coming out with a USB c to HDMI this month.
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Im not sure about mhl, but the casting works pretty well with the phone to Chromecast
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Im not sure about mhl, but the casting works pretty well with the phone to Chromecast
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My best guess is that it uses slimport. But I don't know for sure. I'd like to use my chrome cast but the point for me to use the adaptor is because I'm going to be moving it around alot to different places. So having to set up the Chromecast each time would get annoying for me.
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My best guess is that it uses slimport. But I don't know for sure. I'd like to use my chrome cast but the point for me to use the adaptor is because I'm going to be moving it around alot to different places. So having to set up the Chromecast each time would get annoying for me.
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Im curious as to mhl as well but before I bought multiple Chromecasts I was moving it from place to place...to alleviate the headache of retyping passwords I texted them to myself for easy copy and paste, just a friendly suggestion if mhl doesnt pan out
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Im curious as to mhl as well but before I bought multiple Chromecasts I was moving it from place to place...to alleviate the headache of retyping passwords I texted them to myself for easy copy and paste, just a friendly suggestion if mhl doesnt pan out
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I tried the Chromecast and it won't work for what I need. I tried it with an n64 emulator and there was about a second delay between what happened on my screen and what happened on my TV. So I'm going to have to try an mhl and or a slimport.
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I tried the Chromecast and it won't work for what I need. I tried it with an n64 emulator and there was about a second delay between what happened on my screen and what happened on my TV. So I'm going to have to try an mhl and or a slimport.
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How far are you from the router? Maybe upgrade or check your settings, I used it for FPse with an 8Bitdo Nes 30 Pro and had zero lag, that is why I recommended it.
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How far are you from the router? Maybe upgrade or check your settings, I used it for FPse with an 8Bitdo Nes 30 Pro and had zero lag, that is why I recommended it.
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My router is right next to my TV. The router I have I a fee years old but it's still a nice N router. I do have the first gen Chromecast. Do you have the new gen of the Chromecast?
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My router is right next to my TV. The router I have I a fee years old but it's still a nice N router. I do have the first gen Chromecast. Do you have the new gen of the Chromecast?
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Didnt even give that a thought but yes, however just did a very brief test on the old chromecast with the same results