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Droid Pro 2 - What would you like to see?

My only guess why the Droid Pro hasn't taken off like it should have is the somewhat low resolution screen that sits recessed in the bezel. HTC screens usually sit nice and flush with the front of the phone and are of higher resolution.
What would you like to see in the Droid Pro 2 that isn't in the Droid Pro?
1. Higher resolution screen
2. Slightly larger screen with less bezel around it
3. Front facing camera
4. Better battery life

I think it does exactly what it has to do, be a business/corporate phone. It is def not a developer phone like many of the HTCs but is pretty good as whats its supposed to be.
Ask yourself, as somebody in an corporate environment would you really need a higher res screen? I give you the longer battery life, but I assume it will spend most time hooked up to a in-car charger or connected to a power-supply at work anyways. You dont really need it a front-facing camera either, I cant think of any application of that in the corporate world..
Btw, it will be a long while till there will be a new Pro 2.. Motorola just announced to offer the Droid Pro as the Motorola Pro in Europe with exactly the same hardware (as far as the news go)...

vivid22 said:
I think it does exactly what it has to do, be a business/corporate phone. It is def not a developer phone like many of the HTCs but is pretty good as whats its supposed to be.
Ask yourself, as somebody in an corporate environment would you really need a higher res screen? I give you the longer battery life, but I assume it will spend most time hooked up to a in-car charger or connected to a power-supply at work anyways. You dont really need it a front-facing camera either, I cant think of any application of that in the corporate world..
Btw, it will be a long while till there will be a new Pro 2.. Motorola just announced to offer the Droid Pro as the Motorola Pro in Europe with exactly the same hardware (as far as the news go)...
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Well by that logic, you don't really need a color screen, a camera, or side volume keys.
Even the screen on the Legend looks better . I'll still be keeping my Droid Pro with its physical keyboard until a better model comes out either from Motorola or HTC.

@Class said:
My only guess why the Droid Pro hasn't taken off like it should have is the somewhat low resolution screen that sits recessed in the bezel. HTC screens usually sit nice and flush with the front of the phone and are of higher resolution.
What would you like to see in the Droid Pro 2 that isn't in the Droid Pro?
1. Higher resolution screen
2. Slightly larger screen with less bezel around it
3. Front facing camera
4. Better battery life
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3.3 inch screen
720x480 resolution
HD video recording
Front facing camera

rafeee2 said:
3.3 inch screen
720x480 resolution (at least!) ++
HD video recording ++
Front facing camera +++
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Yes yes and more yes!

$50 price tag

Definitely agreed on the larger screen with less bezel, providing opportunity for higher resolution.
I'm not so concerned with the front-facing camera or HD video recording, but I certainly wouldn't oppose such improvements
Agreed on battery life
I would also tolerate a taller phone if it meant incorporating some kind of directional keys - be it a four-way rocker, or maybe they could fit a blackberry-style touch pad in the middle of the capacitive android buttons, negating the need for making the phone taller.

So we all agree that the Droid Pro 2 needs a higher resolution screen with less bezel and better battery life.

I don't necessarily see the need for the front facing camera or the HD recording (cell phone cameras aren't going to produce good recordings regardless), but I wouldn't be opposed to those improvements, either.
A higher resolution would be nice, but more importantly, bettery battery life. It would be nice if they included the extended battery instead of the stock one.
Also, I'd love to see the Menu, Home, Back, and Search buttons become hardware buttons, with a directional pad in the middle of them. That's one thing I really miss from my Treo. Hardware buttons would be harder to accidentally hit while typing, would give the phone a more professional feel, and wouldn't necessarily call for a taller phone if the buttons were sized right.

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Well by that logic, you don't really need a color screen, a camera, or side volume keys.
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I always thought someone should realease a "true" business android phone. A highly efficient black and white low power screen. scroll wheel. no camera or at least a very basic camera that is optimized for scanning documents and business cards. Huge ass battery. No bloat, just stripped down awesomeness.
There are still many many folks out there using the original blackberrys.
email and battery life are the #1 and #2. Everything else is just gravy. Imagine a business phone that worked globally, woked well for phone calls, had a good keyboard, rock solid email and calendar functionality. dream...
Plus it needs to be thin and small. no business man wants to cary around a giant iPhone. I thought my droid pro would be smaller but its still to big.

Definitely higher res screen, less bezel, better battery life, ffc, dual core processor maybe
I'd like to see automatic dialing implemented so that I can just start typing on the number keys to dial instead of going directly to search. i always search text never numbers so if im inputting numbers it should know to bring up the dialer. this is definitely software scope but to be done right it'd have to be done at the OS level I think.

This should apply to any phone, and especially those marketed as a business phone, but fix the damn exchange email sync....
if/when they provide an update to the current Droid Pro that fixes the corporate exchange push sync lag I will be perfectly happy with my Pro...

personally i don't care for the business functionality. but since it IS a business phone it should have excellent email exchange.
the first thing i'd like is if the 480p video camera was upgraded to 720p. i don't mind 5mpx because i think the photos look good as they are (the samples i've seen online). besides, the iphone's 5mpx is superior to any phone i've seen with the same amount of pixels.
secondly i'd like the battery issue to be fixed. it should be sold with a higher capacity battery to last around a week with general use. it's sad hearing reports of the battery only lasting a few hours before dying completely.
thirdly i'd like a dedicated camera button. while there's probably an app for that, it should come with a convenience key and camera button or the option to switch the convenience key to whatever function i'd like.
fourthly i'd like the option to open the landscape keyboard whenever i hold the options softkey. the droid x does this, and i guess it would be useful if the phone didn't know when to bring the keyboard out. ALSO i'd like default swype on there just in case i wanted to use that keyboard one-handedly. i know most people complain that i should just buy a slideout phone, but honestly i use the portrait keyboard 90% of the time and landscape the other 10%.
fifthly, a higher resolution wouldn't hurt. while i don't mind the subpar quality that the droid pro offers, a lot of people are concerned about the clarity of their screens.
sixthly, i heard the speakerphone was on the back. should be on the front.
seventhly, a brighter led light notification thing
eighthly, a front facing camera might be a nice touch (apparently it's good for business people's phone meetings).
finally, i'd want none of that verizon/motorola bloatware crap. they're out of their minds to think i'd actually pay for cityID or whatever apps they're trying to drain my money of. the phone should come clean with basic necessary apps.
size and screen size is fine as it is. basically all i want is a better camera and a good battery. oh and GINGERBREAD! or the most recent update. the other stuff is just nice extras.

hsy317 said:
secondly i'd like the battery issue to be fixed. it should be sold with a higher capacity battery to last around a week with general use. it's sad hearing reports of the battery only lasting a few hours before dying completely.
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A week? Really? Its a business phone yes, but far from magical.
Im sorry but this made me giggle. It will get a day at best. If you could get past the bootloader the best devs could maybe get you 2 days with a GB rom and decent UV kernal. But a week is asking the impossible, of any android device.

well, i wanted a better battery. 7 days may seem outrageous to you but there are phones that last for weeks before dying and for android phones i'm sure in the future improved batteries will allow the devices to last longer.

The only phones that last a week without dying are dumbphones, and even then, that's only if you don't use them.

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The only phones that last a week without dying are dumbphones, and even then, that's only if you don't use them.
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Exactly you wont see a week if battery life anytime soon. And if your are looking for long battery life a locked down moto device wasnt the best choice.
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ugh, i'm not arguing with the fact that at best a smartphone only lasts a few days. in the future, i'm SURE smartphones will have battery lives comparable to regular phones.
i can argue with the fact about "dumbphones". i use mine moderately (which is extremely simple) everyday for calling and mostly texting and it lasts me a week. i love it
if you want a realistic answer (because honestly, all the features i listed on the droid pro 2 aren't very realistic considering how the device will prob never exist) i'll just say a solid 2 days. maybe 3.

New way to navigate and select Text!!
Navigating through text is a nightmare using the touch interface. The little magnified version is a bit of a help but its still not a good way to navigate text using a thumb that is half an inch thick to navigate between characters that are millimeters thick. Bad design.
Also not all text is easily selectable. Need to figure out a better way to highlight text in emails (not drafts), webpages, etc.

i would appreciate some call/end buttons. i know most people don't care about that but for me its easy and quick (after all its main functionality should be as a phone). the surrounding 4 soft keys could be placed like those on the acer betouch e210 if there's not enough room.
i think someone said before that they'd like the phone to come up as soon as you dial the number row. or there should be an option to switch from universal search to that generic phone number input regular phones have when you press the number keypad.
hmm. as evanstein has said, its hard to edit mistakes on the touch screen. maybe if they incorporate arrow keys on the side of the space bar (like the sony ericsson xperia x10 mini pro) it would be easier. i wouldn't mind if the pro was a few millimeters wider.
yeah.. i'd really like a droid pro 2. ): anyone hear any word on that yet?

Note 3 vs LG G2?

My main phone is currently the Nexus 4 and my work phone is the iPhone 4S with ios7, which I'm looking forward to retiring, iOS does nothing for me on mobile any more - plus the wifey wants the 4s as she doesn't like her 5, I do like it on the (aging) iPad 3rd gen for garageband and infinity blade, but that's by the by, I really want to replace it with the Nexus as my work phone and a new phone for my main phone and stop using iOS on mobile completely - the way I see it, there are 2 options, as I would LOVE to go for a windows phone, but even the best of them the Lumia 1020 is old news in terms of hardware, though the system has potential.
The two contenders for best non-vanilla Android phone of the year (it is fair to assume that nothing better will come out this year, excluding the potential Nexus 5) are the Note 3 and the LG G2 (IMO).
The LG kills it in terms of having a very useful feature-packed but still light UI based on the TW roms but it looks to be lag-free and not junked up with too much purely-gimmicky stuff. I like the simple yet innovative move of the unlock/vol/camera button to the back of the phone and the fact that you can customise the main button bar on stock as standard.
The Note 3 goes balls-out blazing with the all-new 3gig ram compared to the 2, massive phablet screen and extra storage, as well as the S-Pen and all of the TW gimmicks, extras and cool features you'd expect. It will have at-least the same snapdragon 800 processor, if not clocked higher, a better battery life and potentially better camera, and there could also be a second octa-core version, also it has a minimum of 32GB storage and an expandable slot (i forget if the LG has a slot) which makes it a perfect media device to boot.
Which will win the battle of the 2013 titans and which would you choose for yourself, and which would you recommend for others (we all know that sometimes we would choose something different as nerds than what we would recommend for others xD)?
So far, I'm leaning towards the Note 3 depending on what price I can get it on a contract with a decent LTE package on, but I'm open to being swayed by the G2.
What are your thoughts?

dodgebizkit said:
My main phone is currently the Nexus 4 and my work phone is the iPhone 4S with ios7, which I'm looking forward to retiring, iOS does nothing for me on mobile any more - plus the wifey wants the 4s as she doesn't like her 5, I do like it on the (aging) iPad 3rd gen for garageband and infinity blade, but that's by the by, I really want to replace it with the Nexus as my work phone and a new phone for my main phone and stop using iOS on mobile completely - the way I see it, there are 2 options, as I would LOVE to go for a windows phone, but even the best of them the Lumia 1020 is old news in terms of hardware, though the system has potential.
The two contenders for best non-vanilla Android phone of the year (it is fair to assume that nothing better will come out this year, excluding the potential Nexus 5) are the Note 3 and the LG G2 (IMO).
The LG kills it in terms of having a very useful feature-packed but still light UI based on the TW roms but it looks to be lag-free and not junked up with too much purely-gimmicky stuff. I like the simple yet innovative move of the unlock/vol/camera button to the back of the phone and the fact that you can customise the main button bar on stock as standard.
The Note 3 goes balls-out blazing with the all-new 3gig ram compared to the 2, massive phablet screen and extra storage, as well as the S-Pen and all of the TW gimmicks, extras and cool features you'd expect. It will have at-least the same snapdragon 800 processor, if not clocked higher, a better battery life and potentially better camera, and there could also be a second octa-core version, also it has a minimum of 32GB storage and an expandable slot (i forget if the LG has a slot) which makes it a perfect media device to boot.
Which will win the battle of the 2013 titans and which would you choose for yourself, and which would you recommend for others (we all know that sometimes we would choose something different as nerds than what we would recommend for others xD)?
So far, I'm leaning towards the Note 3 depending on what price I can get it on a contract with a decent LTE package on, but I'm open to being swayed by the G2.
What are your thoughts?
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If those 2 are your choices I'd say note 3 all day. The only significant feature g2 has over note is the Optical Image Stabilization in my opinion. Don't forget custom roms should equalize any differences in software features between the phones.
You mentioned the lumia 1020, If you actually like Windows Phone 8 and you like taking pictures then get the lumia 1020. You said the hardware is outdated but the thing is, on WP8 hardware is almost never outdated, that os is so damn friendly to the processor/screen/ram. It will probably be a while till 1020 is overthrown in terms of camera quality. (look how long the 808 held its throne). Still that operating system leaves a lot to be desired, maybe the new update will bring more functionality to it. It is beautiful though, no doubt about that...

For all the comparison I see about the hardware, how similar they are and aren't, and the talk of TW vs whatever LG is using, I think it comes down to something altogether simpler: Do you want a phone or a phablet?
I do understand comparing the other stuff though, and if LG makes a G2 Pro then it'll be pretty relevant. I don't think the hardware difference is that notable. I'm pretty disappointed with the GS4's TW though, and the G2's UI actually seems pretty useful. I will give TW on the Note 3 a fair chance before judging it though. But if it lags and feels as bloated as the GS4's does, it'll probably really irritate me. I'm personally stuck with Verizon, so I'm operating on the assumption of using it completely stock given the trend of them locking things down to hell.

DHM078 said:
For all the comparison I see about the hardware, how similar they are and aren't, and the talk of TW vs whatever LG is using, I think it comes down to something altogether simpler: Do you want a phone or a phablet?
I do understand comparing the other stuff though, and if LG makes a G2 Pro then it'll be pretty relevant. I don't think the hardware difference is that notable. I'm pretty disappointed with the GS4's TW though, and the G2's UI actually seems pretty useful. I will give TW on the Note 3 a fair chance before judging it though. But if it lags and feels as bloated as the GS4's does, it'll probably really irritate me. I'm personally stuck with Verizon, so I'm operating on the assumption of using it completely stock given the trend of them locking things down to hell.
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DHM, I don't see how that matters though seeing as how custom development always alleviates any software woes... I hear the note 3 may be challenging to develop for initially but i doubt that people will have to wait long given how incredibly popular this phone is.
I'm sorry i'm assuming that everyone is comfortable customizing their phones with roms. Given that someone would not deviate from a stock experience then i see how the launcher may affect someones purchasing decision. I guess after using custom roms for the past 5 years i just take that for granted.

I'm getting a Note 3 only because the G2 doesn't have expandable sd slot or removable battery. Plus I've never owned a Note device so I'm curious to have one. The GPro is awesome and I plan on keeping it as my personal phone. Note 3 will be for work!

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DHM, I don't see how that matters though seeing as how custom development always alleviates any software woes... I hear the note 3 may be challenging to develop for initially but i doubt that people will have to wait long given how incredibly popular this phone is.
I'm sorry i'm assuming that everyone is comfortable customizing their phones with roms. Given that someone would not deviate from a stock experience then i see how the launcher may affect someones purchasing decision. I guess after using custom roms for the past 5 years i just take that for granted.
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I am perfectly comfortable modifying my phones. I've been using custom software pretty much exclusively basically since I started with smartphones. That's not my point. I have a lot of faith in the developers here, they've accomplished amazing things and have defeated the manufacturers time and time again. But I'm trying not to take it for granted. With how freaking locked up Verizon phones specifically have been as of late, I am not going to buy a phone on the assumption that I'll just be able to toss out the stock stuff. I tend to be pretty optimistic about things getting cracked, but I also think that it will very likely take a while. So I will consider the stock firmware when purchasing a phone as there's a pretty damn good chance I'll be stuck on it for quite some time before it gets cracked.

A good amount of caution is always wise. Guess everyone just has to weigh what features matter to them most and then try to make an informed decision when selecting between phones.

systoxity said:
If those 2 are your choices I'd say note 3 all day. The only significant feature g2 has over note is the Optical Image Stabilization in my opinion. Don't forget custom roms should equalize any differences in software features between the phones.
You mentioned the lumia 1020, If you actually like Windows Phone 8 and you like taking pictures then get the lumia 1020. You said the hardware is outdated but the thing is, on WP8 hardware is almost never outdated, that os is so damn friendly to the processor/screen/ram. It will probably be a while till 1020 is overthrown in terms of camera quality. (look how long the 808 held its throne). Still that operating system leaves a lot to be desired, maybe the new update will bring more functionality to it. It is beautiful though, no doubt about that...
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Pretty sure the note 3 has smart stabilization as well. samsung's take on ois. correct?
and g2 doesnt have sdcard, no removable battery and no stylus throws it out for me.

oneandroidnut said:
Pretty sure the note 3 has smart stabilization as well. samsung's take on ois. correct?
and g2 doesnt have sdcard, no removable battery and no stylus throws it out for me.
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Its got digital which according to the internet is trash compared to optical (almost all phones use digital stabilization). Digital apparently is good for reducing shake during videos but does nothing to fight blur from taking pictures in low light. Low light photography involves dropping the shutter speed allowing more light in, any tremors in the shooters hands can then cause blur in the picture, effectively "smearing" the image over the sensor. Optical Stabilization involves physically moving the lens to compensate for movement while the shutter is open.
I'm going to google the subject some more and see if i can get some comparison shots... I have no idea just how much of a difference optical makes so i'm left with only what i've read and we all know how accurate the internet can be some times...
Update* Well.... according to the internet the answer is.. A lot. Take that with a grain of salt though lmao. here's some comparison shots: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/ISComparison.png/240px-ISComparison.png and http://www.digicamhelp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/is-on-off_large.jpg

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Its got digital which according to the internet is trash compared to optical (almost all phones use digital stabilization). Digital apparently is good for reducing shake during videos but does nothing to fight blur from taking pictures in low light. Low light photography involves dropping the shutter speed allowing more light in, any tremors in the shooters hands can then cause blur in the picture, effectively "smearing" the image over the sensor. Optical Stabilization involves physically moving the lens to compensate for movement while the shutter is open.
I'm going to google the subject some more and see if i can get some comparison shots... I have no idea just how much of a difference optical makes so i'm left with only what i've read and we all know how accurate the internet can be some times...
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there was a video of the g2 showing off the ois and it looked like a joke. let me see if i can find it. friend sent to me in a facebook message. but wasnt impressive to me. and true it may not be true optical but im not that concerned with it. And what you mean the internet is always true!?!?! haha

Rofl yeah the T.V. too. I'd be interested to see that video you saw. i'll check back here for updates. I updated my post with supposed pictures of OIS on vs off.

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Rofl yeah the T.V. too. I'd be interested to see that video you saw. i'll check back here for updates. I updated my post with supposed pictures of OIS on vs off.
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Think this is it.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcqtCo-bq4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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You know the LG G2 and Note 3 are in two different product categories right? There is a big size difference between the two. You have been using sub 5" phones. Have you tried out a phablet at the store? Borrow one to try out and pocket? The LG G2 is no bigger than last year's Galaxy S3 and packs a 5.2" whereas the Note 3 is still very much a phablet and bigger than the Optimus G Pro.
They use two different screen technologies. Do you want Super AMOLED or IPS LCD? It makes a big difference for some people. Check it out at the store.
Do you want removable battery and microSD? The LG G2 has none of these, but that makes the phone unibody and more durable, no annoying seams and creaks. The Note 3 has both, but you have to deal with a flimsy back cover. I've owned nothing but Samsung phones for the past few years. I really hate the creaky back covers that eventually get loose and aren't flush anymore.
Do you want a stylus? Have you tried using it? I've owned the Note 1 and 2 and beyond playing with the stylus for a couple hours, never pulled it out again. Some surveys out there say 90% of Note owners don't even use the stylus at all. The stylus is way too small to hold for me and the button impossible to push. It's slippery and unnatural when writing on the screen. No friction. The accuracy isn't much better than a finger either, so don't expect to be able to scribble really small text or fit more than a few words per line, or do anything more than doodling. I'm not a big writing or doodling person, and you might find it useful, but I'd rather type out something on a keyboard, or quickly finger a note (the LG G2 has quick note taking apps as well) than have to pull out the stylus and clutch the thin stylus.
The reviews of the LG G2 have shown some pretty great battery life. Lg has G-RAM, which saves battery on a static screen, and also packs 3000mah in a 5.2" phone. LG's ROM doesn't seem as bloated as Touchwiz either. The Note 3, which is a whopping 0.5" bigger, only upped the battery by 100mah to 3200mah from the Note 2, and doesn't have G-RAM. a Full RGB AMOLED panel at 5.7" is gonna suck a lot of battery, especially when at max brightness. All signs point to the LG G2 having the better battery life.
Both have 13MP Exmor RS cameras made by Sony with optical image stabilization. They are about as good as the OIS in the HTC One, basically not very good. It is no where near the kind of smoothness the Lumia 920/925/1020 can achieve. It is because they aren't willing to go the extra mile and make the camera module bigger for better OIS. The pictures are roughly the same, since they are they same sensor after all. It's down to which type of post-processing you like more. The LG G2 has a nasty autofocusing issue in video that makes the image bounce around like a diaphragm. It may be fixed by release time (or not).
Do you like side buttons or buttons on the back? You'll have to try the LG G2 out in person to see if you like the back buttons. Do you like on-screen buttons or Samsung style shoved to the bottom buttons? I'm not a fan of onscreen buttons, but LG's ability to customize them, as well as the infinitely useful double tap to turn on, are turning me around. I honestly hate the home button and the shoved down to the corner capacitive buttons on Galaxy phones. How many times have I backed out of the camera or screwed something else because of accidental button presses? And going from soft taps to a hard push for the home button is still jarring. It's not a quick or reassuring process. Apple makes way better home buttons than Samsung.

This is my dilemma as well. I already have a Note 2 but was thinking about getting something smaller/different. But when you add up everything the Note 3 comes out on top.
Note 3 pro's when compared to the G2
Removable battery
SD card
More Ram
32gig off the bat (I still don't know if the Verizon G2 is 16gig or 32gig)
S-Pen
I like the look off touchwiz better than LG
USB 3
Universal accessories
More popular
Don't know about LG update track record
4.3 out the box
Love the blacks and colors on the screen but not the brightness
LG G2 pro's when compared to the Note 3.
Smaller
$100 less expensive (If at 32gig)
Different phone from the Note series
Double tap to wake out the box
Like the idea of having the buttons on the back
Brighter screen
Better camera with optical image stabilization

katamari201 said:
You know the LG G2 and Note 3 are in two different product categories right? There is a big size difference between the two. You have been using sub 5" phones. Have you tried out a phablet at the store? Borrow one to try out and pocket? The LG G2 is no bigger than last year's Galaxy S3 and packs a 5.2" whereas the Note 3 is still very much a phablet and bigger than the Optimus G Pro.
I had the Note 2 and loved it. Size is no issue for me. I 6'4" and have big hands. Can reach all parts of note 2 no problem. This shows you that i want a bigger phone. S4 is too small for my taste. Wish Note 3 was 6 inches!
They use two different screen technologies. Do you want Super AMOLED or IPS LCD? It makes a big difference for some people. Check it out at the store.
Wish the note 3 or G2 looked as good as the HTC One but i can live with either one of them not a huge deal both of their ppi and resolution are fine.
Do you want removable battery and microSD? The LG G2 has none of these, but that makes the phone unibody and more durable, no annoying seams and creaks. The Note 3 has both, but you have to deal with a flimsy back cover. I've owned nothing but Samsung phones for the past few years. I really hate the creaky back covers that eventually get loose and aren't flush anymore.
Yes i want a removable back and microSD card. Love being able to charge a spare battery with the sammy charger and slapping in phone and not having to worry about plugging in my phone. And unibody has been perfected by the HTC One. I have had the S3, Note 2 and S4 and not had creaking or gaps/loose etc. Im going to put a spigen case on it anyways.
Do you want a stylus? Have you tried using it? I've owned the Note 1 and 2 and beyond playing with the stylus for a couple hours, never pulled it out again. Some surveys out there say 90% of Note owners don't even use the stylus at all. The stylus is way too small to hold for me and the button impossible to push. It's slippery and unnatural when writing on the screen. No friction. The accuracy isn't much better than a finger either, so don't expect to be able to scribble really small text or fit more than a few words per line, or do anything more than doodling. I'm not a big writing or doodling person, and you might find it useful, but I'd rather type out something on a keyboard, or quickly finger a note (the LG G2 has quick note taking apps as well) than have to pull out the stylus and clutch the thin stylus.
Comes from the Note 2 as i have stated before i dont use on a daily basis but plenty of times do i like having out its just easier to do some things with and some things it isnt. And i could write 10x more accurately with s pen then my finger.
The reviews of the LG G2 have shown some pretty great battery life. Lg has G-RAM, which saves battery on a static screen, and also packs 3000mah in a 5.2" phone. LG's ROM doesn't seem as bloated as Touchwiz either. The Note 3, which is a whopping 0.5" bigger, only upped the battery by 100mah to 3200mah from the Note 2, and doesn't have G-RAM. a Full RGB AMOLED panel at 5.7" is gonna suck a lot of battery, especially when at max brightness. All signs point to the LG G2 having the better battery life.
If i remember correctly back to my Note 2 the battery life was very impressive and this phone has a snapdragon 800 and 3 GB of ram and 100 mah bigger and everything i have seen is that the snapdragon 800 conserves power so both phones should be beasts at battery.
Both have 13MP Exmor RS cameras made by Sony with optical image stabilization. They are about as good as the OIS in the HTC One, basically not very good. It is no where near the kind of smoothness the Lumia 920/925/1020 can achieve. It is because they aren't willing to go the extra mile and make the camera module bigger for better OIS. The pictures are roughly the same, since they are they same sensor after all. It's down to which type of post-processing you like more. The LG G2 has a nasty autofocusing issue in video that makes the image bounce around like a diaphragm. It may be fixed by release time (or not).
Camera isnt a big deal breaker the S4 camera was fine for my liking so getting the same on the note 3 isnt a huge deal breaker but would have liked to see some improvements and upwards of 20 mp.
Do you like side buttons or buttons on the back? You'll have to try the LG G2 out in person to see if you like the back buttons. Do you like on-screen buttons or Samsung style shoved to the bottom buttons? I'm not a fan of onscreen buttons, but LG's ability to customize them, as well as the infinitely useful double tap to turn on, are turning me around. I honestly hate the home button and the shoved down to the corner capacitive buttons on Galaxy phones. How many times have I backed out of the camera or screwed something else because of accidental button presses? And going from soft taps to a hard push for the home button is still jarring. It's not a quick or reassuring process. Apple makes way better home buttons than Samsung.
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I havent played with a G2 yet but i dont like the idea of back buttons. awkward hump on the back and tough to get to i think when in hand. And i agree i hate on screen buttons. Samsung buttons at the bottom are just fine with me. I cant remember a time where i accidental closed an app or process due to a button press. I love being able to wake the screen with just a press of the home button. Just as easy as the G2 double tap. Swipe to wake and swipe to sleep would be better like i have on my nexus 7. And Apple does NOTHING YES NOTHING better then android!

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The reviews of the LG G2 have shown some pretty great battery life. Lg has G-RAM, which saves battery on a static screen, and also packs 3000mah in a 5.2" phone. LG's ROM doesn't seem as bloated as Touchwiz either. The Note 3, which is a whopping 0.5" bigger, only upped the battery by 100mah to 3200mah from the Note 2, and doesn't have G-RAM. a Full RGB AMOLED panel at 5.7" is gonna suck a lot of battery, especially when at max brightness. All signs point to the LG G2 having the better battery life.
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Panel Self Refresh (PSR) is what LG terms as G-RAM. It has been in Exynos 5250 for a year now.
To maximize power efficiencies at the system level, the Exynos 5250 has an embedded DisplayPort (eDP) interface that is compliant with panel self-refresh technology (PSR) applied to the timing controller (T-CON). The embedded PSR technology enables static images to be refreshed directly from the frame buffer memory incorporated in the T-CON, resolving the need for regular display refresh instructions to be made by the application processor in cases such as reading static web pages or e-books.
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Also, it has Envelope Tracking tech from Qualcomm, actually the first of it's kind.
Looking at the benchmarks, I think we are looking at higher binned AB version of 800 SOC.
It already has the latest 3GB memory module from Samsung.
I am just waiting to check if they are using the new eMMC 5.0 in GN3.
Motorola has made use of Samsung's F2FS file system in Moto X. It has been very well reviewed by Anandtech. I think Samsung will also start using their F2FS in their products, afterall they designed it.
These are some of the techinical aspects of GN3 I am interested in. I don't think in anyway it's going to have a bad batterylife. Infact Samsung already mentioned in their keynote that they expect 3-4 hours more video playback as compared to GN2. GN2 already had a monster batterylife. This will be even better.

FinancialWar said:
I would get the iPhone 5s.
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I hope that you are kidding me.:laugh:

Hi.
That are the right questions!
According to the Snapdragon artice on Wikipedia, it has not the faster AB Version of the S800 SoC.
But according to this Benchmark Comparison on GSMarea, I think there is the newer eMMC 5.0 3GB RAM in the Note 3.

Overall Note 3, but G2 for cyanogen-development-support.
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Hi.
That are the right questions!
According to the Snapdragon artice on Wikipedia, it has not the faster AB Version of the S800 SoC.
But according to this Benchmark Comparison on GSMarea, I think there is the newer eMMC 5.0 3GB RAM in the Note 3.
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Wikipedia is not really a good source of information specially when the product is just announced. The GN3 benchmark numbers are very close to MDP results. Samsung never mentions SOC details in their announcement.
Lets wait and see..

What would you like to see in the next Moto flagship?

I love my Moto X but I'm also very excited about the future of Motorola and their flagship phones. What are some things you'd like to see in the 2014 Moto superphone?
Here are some things I'd like to see:
Lower unlocked price ($400-$500)
Bootloaders unlockable for all variants
3GB ram
32GB standard, 64 & 128 optional
Faster processor
Advanced/Developer options for Active Display, Touchless Control, Connect
Fully custom color options for MotoMaker
What would you like to see?

All I want is a bigger battery. Moto X battery is the best I've seen so far and having even more would be perfect.
I came from a Galaxy S4 with 2600mAh of battery and I never got past 3h screen time whereas on the Moto X (with 2100mAh) I got 5h in the first day.
As for the rest, Motorola proved that specs are nothing if you don't optimize the system. Bigger storage would be nice though.

A better camera.
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A better camera.
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My biggest beef with the Moto X

A top of the line camera and wireless charging would be nice.
But what I really expect is something new, that others don't have like active notification and touchless control. I hope Motorola comes up with something even better.
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Slightly larger screen, better camera, and lower price if they stay with midrange specs
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I wanna see them keep the same form factor. With a better screen, easier to unlock boot loader and even better battery life.
For me s 720p AMOLED screen is the perfect compromise for a mobile device

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All I want is a bigger battery. Moto X battery is the best I've seen so far and having even more would be perfect.
I came from a Galaxy S4 with 2600mAh of battery and I never got past 3h screen time whereas on the Moto X (with 2100mAh) I got 5h in the first day.
As for the rest, Motorola proved that specs are nothing if you don't optimize the system. Bigger storage would be nice though.
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You just described the new droid maxx.
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I don't care for specs. I would like better battery life, possibly removable. That's pretty much. MicroSD tray is a bonus. I'm a bit iffy on the placement of the mic. On the plus side, I do like where it's placed cause I'm assured regardless of case-choice or angle that the mic is close to my mouth. However when I can't help but feel that the opening leaves for weakness.

To you guys that want a bigger screen, have you tried LMT Launcher?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
I use it on my gnex. I have the pie enabled on both left and right sides, activation length set to 688 and thickness set to 20. Pie gravity is set to top so that the activation area ends before it reaches the top of the keyboard in portrait mode.
I have found it to be extremely handy and have used it for almost 2 years. It gives you extra screen space by allowing you to disable the navigation bar, and it allows for easier one-handed use.

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A better camera.
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Agreed. I'd like a better, or at least more consistent, camera especially in low light situations. I've taken some nice pix with my X, but also some pretty crappy ones. Most of the time in low light its hit/miss as to what I'll get, even when taking two or three pictures in a row.
I would also like to see Moto Assist match all the features of Moto's smart actions, including more profiles and options to create your own.
While battery life on my X has been very good, Increasing its size or how long it lasts would always be a plus.
As others have suggested, I hope it can keep the same form factor. The X feels perfect in my hand. While some of the cases I've put it in make it feel a little bigger, it still feels great.

Movable Nav buttons like the G2 and three size settings for nav bar height to, 100%, 50% and 25%.

Maybe their next big thing should be software customization. Let you customize the colors, and theme of the os?
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Agreed on a better low light camera. I love this phone but the quality of some photos are very average at times.

Even more software optimization, a REAL better camera, DEVELOPER FRIENDLY (easiest as sammy's devices), and wireless charging.
That's the only need of this amazing phone.

d14gvn said:
Even more software optimization, a REAL better camera, DEVELOPER FRIENDLY (easiest as sammy's devices), and wireless charging.
That's the only need of this amazing phone.
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Can you elaborate more on 'developer friendly'? Unless you're on AT&T or Verizon, it's as easy as it gets to unlock the bootloader. The kernel source code is already available to us and it's been fun playing with it(although failing hard...lol).

Personally I'd prefer a 5 inch screen and an OMAP chip set. I am really hoping Google snatches up that division of TI in the worst way
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I'd like 32gb to be standard and wireless charging. Other than that this thing is perfect for me.
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Personally Id a bigger screen and the lastest GPU.

One-handed mode?

This is officially phablet-sized, but I haven't heard anything about a one-handed mode similar to iPhone's "reachability" or the offerings of LG and Samsung.
If they are not going to offer a smaller flagship, how could this have been missed? I'm sure there was a similar discussion when the Nexus 6 came out.
Imagine:
Hold home and swipe right shrinks entire display to bottom right corner. Hold home and swipe left shrinks entire display to bottom left. Repeat to expand to full screen.
And before anyone mentions Xposed, I shouldn't have to root my phone for this.
Something like this is sorely missing from stock Android. I was surprised this was missing from Lollipop on the Nexus 6 and even more so that it was apparently left out of Android M.
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Android already has the ability to change resolution and DPI without a reboot. The app framework already arranges the layout based on these parameters. Would it really be too much more difficult to add this?

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This is officially phablet-sized, but I haven't heard anything about a one-handed mode similar to iPhone's "reachability" or the offerings of LG and Samsung.
If they are not going to offer a smaller flagship, how could this have been missed? I'm sure there was a similar discussion when the Nexus 6 came out.
Imagine:
Hold home and swipe right shrinks entire display to bottom right corner. Hold home and swipe left shrinks entire display to bottom left. Repeat to expand to full screen.
And before anyone mentions Xposed, I shouldn't have to root my phone for this.
Something like this is sorely missing from stock Android. I was surprised this was missing from Lollipop on the Nexus 6 and even more so that it was apparently left out of Android M.
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Android already has the ability to change resolution and DPI without a reboot. The app framework already arranges the layout based on these parameters. Would it really be too much more difficult to add this?
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Just get a smaller phone
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There are no smaller current flagship phones on Verizon with near stock Android.
It used to be normal sized (4 to 5 inch) or phablet sized. Then phablet size became the new normal and phablets got bigger still. Now Motorola doesn't even offer a choice if you want top specs. Even the low/mid range Moto G is big at 5".

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...doesn't even offer a choice if you want top specs...
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If you want "top specs", that includes screen. And that comes with the larger screens and their higher resolution for video playback. If you want smaller, you want less spec and so other phones are an option. You can always flash a custom ROM, that is near stock on them.
This has been having an adverse impact on tablets. Since less tablets are being made, given phones are larger these days.
If I were making the spec myself, I probably would have made the screen smaller. But they are going the way the market research leads them. And I know I can adjust from my HTC One M7 sized screen in time. It may even help me get over wanting more 10"+ stock Android tablets on the market . If I can accomplish my needs with this Moto X Style, that I currently do on my Nexus 10, plus what I do with my HTC One M7. The Moto X Style will make for a sweet consolidation device.
Anyway, I'm all for giving it a shot. Usually when we use our phones with one hand, it's during times we probably should not be using a phone in the first place . (Walking, driving, etc.) And with all the Moto X Style/Pure is packing. It probably would be hard to fit it all into a device with a smaller surface area.
And given I'm a pretty sizable guy I might be able to handle the device with one hand at times anyway. But even if not, like I said, it will help to avoid using the device at times that are best not to.
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One option is to install Nova Launcher and then create a gesture for swipe down. I make swipe down pull down my notification shade on my current phone. Then even if I can't reach the top of the phone it isn't a dead area that I need to contort my hand to access.

I'm 6'5" and my hands are big enough. I'd suggest going to your parents and grandparents to find out why your lineage decided to have small hands.

daryllh said:
I'm 6'5" and my hands are big enough. I'd suggest going to your parents and grandparents to find out why your lineage decided to have small hands.
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This does not help foster productive discussion in these forums.

What do you think the G4 is missing/what could the G5 have to be perfect?

So MKBHD just released a video regarding the perfect smart phone and how the inherent definition of perfect in a smartphone constantly changes. A year ago, not many people were too keen on a fingerprint scanner, now with Android M coming up, it feels like a fingerprint scanner is almost vital to be in contention of the best/closest to perfect android smartphone there is. I feel as if the G4 is currently the closest thing to perfect right now (for me).
Wishlist for the G5:
Fingerprint scanner that doubles as a power button in the back of the phone. I think if LG incorporate a similar button that Samsung has adopted in terms of the home button acting as both a fingerprint scanner and a power button, they'll have a great product in their hands. Android pay is going to be massive and confirmation of a purchase via a fingerprint scanner seems like something that is vital in order to be labeled as the best/closest to perfect smartphone out there. Granted, the current home button in the back of the phone is small and probably can't serve as an accurate scanner, but I'm hoping LG can do something about that, or they can implement some relatively new screen technology that can read fingerprints anywhere on the front of the screen and retain the same button size in the back. Either way, some sort of fingerprint scanner is going to be needed as more and more manufacturers are using it.
Thin down the bezels again. The G4 is actually larger than the G3 despite having the same screen size. I personally feel 5.5" is perfect, whereas 5.7" is pushing it a bit, and 6" is at the edge of unusable. If LG decide to keep the 5.5" screen, hopefully they can thin down the phone again and have it at G3 size, or if possible - thinner (which I doubt).
Retain key mantras of the G4. If LG stray away from expandable storage and a removable back, they'll pretty much lose the battle for best smartphone. Many of us love the G4 for its current abilities, if LG toss those abilities aside - they'll have very upset people. I don't see the camera getting much better, so if they decide to keep the same lens/camera, they'll be fine.
The last thing I can say is rather subjective because it's software related. If there's one thing I absolutely loved about my Xperia Z3+ and N6, it's the fact that they had close to stock/stock Android software. I feel like Sony had the best iteration of Android out there. I really dislike certain aspects of LG's UI. Things like the pull down menu, the unlock (where you have to swipe regardless of double tapping a notification), unlock animation, bloatware, etc. I just prefer a stock look, feel, and speed. The G4 is plenty fast, but I just wonder how fast it'd be with stock software (we'll hopefully see how quick it is with some great guys working at a CM12.1 ROM, good luck guys!)
What do you guys think? What can LG do to make the G5 the best phone out there? I know the G4 was only recently released, but it's always fun speculating and/or wishing.

have software that isn't a pile of **** when the phone goes on sale. The OS at launch was hardly what I would use as a daily driver.
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If I could just have Sony's ui and smoothness with the G4 hardware attributes in a OnePlus 2 design I would be ecstatic.
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give me some front facing speakers, water resistant and a fingerprint reader on the back(power button too) and I think it would be perfect. Would love to see a google play edition too for pure android and quick updates but maybe that is bonus.

Get rid of soft/on screen buttons. I like my home/back/menu buttons on the bottom bezel, like the Galaxy S4. They are always there & alive. I don't have to swipe up or tap the status bar, to "wake" them, and then the button I want.

• An unlocked bootloader for all models.
• Don't make 10 million variants with different sets of bands unlocked; Just make a few variants with all the bands unlocked, just with basic differences such as language.
• Don't put useless bloatware on it

Knowbody42 said:
• An unlocked bootloader for all models.
• Don't make 10 million variants with different sets of bands unlocked; Just make a few variants with all the bands unlocked, just with basic differences such as language.
• Don't put useless bloatware on it
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You bring up a very good point here. I don't understand why iPhone's are fairly universal in their bands and what not but android users need to stay aware of it. Such a shame, really.
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The phone is close to perfect for me, except for my horribly unresponsive, laggy touch screen. I've been willing to put up with that due to the rest of the phone being so good.
There is a potential deal breaker though. If we don't get TWRP and custom ROMs for all models soon, this phone is going to be a fail, as good as it otherwise is. Makes me sad too because I paid a premium for this phone at launch and I'm stuck with it even if we never get full control.

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The phone is close to perfect for me, except for my horribly unresponsive, laggy touch screen. I've been willing to put up with that due to the rest of the phone being so good.
There is a potential deal breaker though. If we don't get TWRP and custom ROMs for all models soon, this phone is going to be a fail, as good as it otherwise is. Makes me sad too because I paid a premium for this phone at launch and I'm stuck with it even if we never get full control.
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Yep. Going to wait until the Nexus 5 drops and then I will probably be selling my G4. Software is bull**** and the mod community is non-existent for my edition. Took MONTHS for root like wtf? lol

AMOLED screen
Front Facing Speakers
Reasonable resolution for performance/battery life

SD820 is all I want, for better batterylife. Had the G4 since the start, and I haven't had any problem with software or lag, barely felt any difference between the updates. I have an unlocked version and only apps in it from start were LG and Google, zero extra bloat.
Don't care much for fingerprint scanner, and would only prefer one when it gets integrated in the display.
Waterproof would be nice, but not a huge concern.

I want a g4 with front facing stereo speakers and a better audio processor/dac
Also don't get why everyone wants a finger print scanner. Just like face unlock they will never be as secure as a pin or swipe code. Had one on my old laptop that let nearly anyone in not sure if finger print reading technology has changed since then or not..

My wishlist is unchanged for the last few years - multiple day battery life, unbreakable screen, water proofing.
I can deal with the rest
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I want
- metal frame with back leather or metal
- front facing stereo speaker
- 100% quality Jpeg and Raw
- No more mic zoom which change the sound weirdly
- Fingerprint I don't really care, but why not because all flagships will have it.
- better dac ?
- more curved ?
- and better battery life like all smartphones...
The G4 is already great otherwise.

I want:
-unibody made of unobtainium
-optical zoom up to 20x
-battery made of nanotubes that can charge in 5 minutes and can give us 24h SOT
-4 axis OIS
-dna scanner for better protection

Heisenberg420 said:
I want a g4 with front facing stereo speakers and a better audio processor/dac
Also don't get why everyone wants a finger print scanner. Just like face unlock they will never be as secure as a pin or swipe code. Had one on my old laptop that let nearly anyone in not sure if finger print reading technology has changed since then or not..
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Fingerprint scanners have vastly changed since they were used in old laptops. The Huawei Ascend Mate 7 that I have is a very clear example of that. The fingerprint scanner works 95% of the time as long as you record it properly. It's also extremely fast despite running Huawei's bloated software too. No one could get into the phone either, unless they had my pin code of course. Fingerprint scanners have come a very long way.
My G4 still misses plenty of double taps when I try to wake it, it gets very frustrating at times. Having a fingerprint scanner would fix that issue, as long as the scanner is accurate of course.

An unlocked bootloader and some decent development.
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Unlocked bootloader
Not full of bloatware
Buttons on the side/top
Actual fast charging (and support for it with the included charger)
Water resistance

- No fingerptint or front stereo bull****, instead of this i want much much much thinner bezels
- No more soft onscreen buttons
- USB- C
- Removable back cover, bigger battery and microSd support
- Carbon- kevlar body and frame
- 5.5" FHD display for better battery life
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Krokogator said:
I want:
-unibody made of unobtainium
-optical zoom up to 20x
-battery made of nanotubes that can charge in 5 minutes and can give us 24h SOT
-4 axis OIS
-dna scanner for better protection
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