Before anyone accuses me of bashing, bringing up things that have already previously been discussed, or just plain wants a go - I'm a huge HTC fan and adore their phones.
So I work for O2 in the UK as a Guru, I get to play with phones a lot - in fact it's all I do. From the moment I picked up the M9, I've decided it's the one for me over the S6 and Edge. There are, however, some issues. We all know that the camera isn't the best, the BoomSound may be a step back this year, but there's one thing that's really bugging me and concerning me. Overheating.
Overheating and the S810 has been covered a lot. However, it's a real issue and it needs to be tackled. My demo M9 is sat in front of me on the table right now, the screen is on medium brightness and the only app running is SoundCloud. So why is the phone noticeably hot to touch, when my iPhone and S6 are not when doing the same thing?
The software on this handset is final - we have M9's in stock ready to go for the 31'st. How is this acceptable?
The interesting thing is that my M8 also gets really hot when I use it, screen on and charging. Almost too hot to hold.
It may well be an issue with the HTC One phones and not the SoC. I don't know.
Maybe restart the phone again to see any applications not optimized/run properly? I'm also worried about this issue, hope there is fix otw
There's just an OTA out now which fixes the overheating.
Link: http://tweakers.net/reviews/3921/4/...nder-de-motorkap-de-64bit-snapdragon-810.html
Just because a device is shippped with release software, that doesn't mean it's final software.
This question is very easy to answer.
The HTC One M9 uses a S810 wich get hot faster than others recent SoCs used in iPhone 6 and S6.
Same thing happens in the LG G Flex 2 and both use heavy throttling to prevent the phone being too warm.
We can discuss why the S810 get warmer than Apple A7 and Exynos 7 but essentially, I think it's because A7 use less core with a lower frequency and Exynos 7 use a 14nm FinFET manufacturing process.
jaaystott said:
Before anyone accuses me of bashing, bringing up things that have already previously been discussed, or just plain wants a go - I'm a huge HTC fan and adore their phones.
So I work for O2 in the UK as a Guru, I get to play with phones a lot - in fact it's all I do. From the moment I picked up the M9, I've decided it's the one for me over the S6 and Edge. There are, however, some issues. We all know that the camera isn't the best, the BoomSound may be a step back this year, but there's one thing that's really bugging me and concerning me. Overheating.
Overheating and the S810 has been covered a lot. However, it's a real issue and it needs to be tackled. My demo M9 is sat in front of me on the table right now, the screen is on medium brightness and the only app running is SoundCloud. So why is the phone noticeably hot to touch, when my iPhone and S6 are not when doing the same thing?
The software on this handset is final - we have M9's in stock ready to go for the 31'st. How is this acceptable?
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Please check if there is an update available. The issue should've been fixed.
The M9 has been shown to run hot, even after the thermal throttling "hotfix", pun intended (hotter than its competition). This isn't even disputed anymore.
Why? I don't know, but damn, am I curious.
One suggestion is that they have processor hotspots not being dealt with due to a high localized power density... so while the SoC power is OK, two or more hotspots in a localized area are exacerbating the situation (they quickly make the situation run out of control).
It only take one hotspot to trip the Tjunction profile. The rest of the SoC could be running fine. And this is either a problem with the Thermal Profiling and Cooling Spec (design or data sheet) or the Snapdragon 810 itself.
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HTC One M9 - 41.7C
LG G3 - 42.6C
That's not hotter than competition. That's within the comptetion.
I can't help but think it is an issue with some handsets. I've read reviews that state that it isn't an issue and reviews that show some concern.
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Mr_Bartek said:
@th3
HTC One M9 - 41.7C
LG G3 - 42.6C
That's not hotter than competition. That's within the comptetion.
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You chose the hottest one?
If you read the major reviews, they still state it runs very skin warm.
M8, S6 and IP6 are the M9 competition. And upcoming G4. G3 isn't.
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@th3 - yes, because what you said was incorrect. Also, the difference between hottest and coolest is 3.6C. That's not a lot.
jaaystott said:
Before anyone accuses me of bashing, bringing up things that have already previously been discussed, or just plain wants a go - I'm a huge HTC fan and adore their phones.
So I work for O2 in the UK as a Guru, I get to play with phones a lot - in fact it's all I do. From the moment I picked up the M9, I've decided it's the one for me over the S6 and Edge. There are, however, some issues. We all know that the camera isn't the best, the BoomSound may be a step back this year, but there's one thing that's really bugging me and concerning me. Overheating.
Overheating and the S810 has been covered a lot. However, it's a real issue and it needs to be tackled. My demo M9 is sat in front of me on the table right now, the screen is on medium brightness and the only app running is SoundCloud. So why is the phone noticeably hot to touch, when my iPhone and S6 are not when doing the same thing?
The software on this handset is final - we have M9's in stock ready to go for the 31'st. How is this acceptable?
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The display and the battery performance are also worse.
I think Qualcomm has tried to cover the problem as much as they could but it's very obvious that they have screwed up with this processor, that they're even starting to talk about the "much better much cooler" S815 already.
It's not HTC's problem (nor was it LG's when they tried to pin it on LG earlier), it's the processor. All HTC (or LG) can do is try to cut the load on the processor and basically run it at lower speeds so it doesn't get too hot. Obviously that will impact the performance, but that's all they can do with the software updates. They will just try to find the right balance between temperature and performance.
I was avoiding the S6 because of the Exynos not being favored in the Rom-developing community. But the rumors-turned-facts about the 810 SoC have me worried. Not particularly blaming Qualcomm, but it seemed like this issue has had almost half a year to be ironed out.
I think the most troubling is that I've read the SoC's clock speed has been reduced to lower overheating, and the thing still overheats. So even if you've been waiting nearly 15 months for Snapdragon 810 like me because they said it'd be a beast, its disappointing to know that having the chip run ans intended might melt your phone.
Also even if early reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt, I've been hearing about underclocking, overheating, screen and boomsound quality being a step back from the M8's, and camera being not that great. I'm positive in time they might fix alot of the issues the early releases have been suffering from, but I am not one to wait many months longer for those updates. Just the updates to get a new android version can be grueling, so I can't imagine waiting for an update to make the device finally comfortable to use. With the S6 just a few weaks away, without all the nasty rumors the M9's been having, I just might have to bite the bullet.
The good news, I hear Exynos is naturally better at emulated gaming which is something I always consider when buying a new mobile device. The bad news, it isn't Qualcomm, and I already bought screen protectors and cases for the M9, despite it not being out yet in America
Edit: I take back what I said about getting an S6. I did a search on release date, and it's released in India for $950 for the 32GB model. Unless they can make the 64GB model less than $720 in America, I'm not interested. Which isn't likely. I would have already had a Xiomi Mi Note 4 Pro if the damn thing wasn't impossible to get, and would have got a G Flex 2 if it came with more RAM.
Mr_Bartek said:
@th3 - yes, because what you said was incorrect. Also, the difference between hottest and coolest is 3.6C. That's not a lot.
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Read the reviews. What you initially suggested is wrong and so is your selective comparison against the worst, non-competitor. It's still running hot, as every major review says. Even though it's not too much hotter, I agree and now acceptable to hold, it's still hotter, and still warm to hold.
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@th3 Thermal fix update only got released recently (past few days). Reviews were done before this update.
Mr_Bartek said:
@th3 Thermal fix update only got released recently (past few days). Reviews were done before this update.
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So the previous update wasn't dealing with the thermal?
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@th3 Thermal fix update only got released recently (past few days). Reviews were done before this update.
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that update underclocked cpu to 1.6 ghz i wouldnt say that a "fix"
I believe with people finally getting the phone, we will see if this problem is solved.
For a week I am using this gorgeous handheld, tons of blowing away emotions - no any significant overheat yet..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the software updates are, simply, throttling the chip to approx 1.5 it is no better than an m8, which I have ? Plus, Sense 7 will be on m8 "soon", so no need to upgrade.
Sense 7, custom, roms are available now.
NOT having "a go" at HTC, I've had about 7 different handsets in last 5 years.
Typing.......
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The most beautiful minimalist phone ever produced imho, Kudos to Samsung.
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Superior R&D
Superior Audio Codec
- Wolfson Micro WM1811
Superior Video Codec
- "The SGS3 is using among the best encode parameters I've seen on a smartphone to date - 17 Mbps H.264 high profile with CABAC. - Anandtech
Superior Amoled Screen
- While text all look the same at above 300PPI [unless you view your screen with a microscope at 200X] in Multimedia Samoled is King.
Superior CPU and GPU
Infinitely better Eye Tracking! Removable Battery and SD Card Slot...er wait lol
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone [seems to be "normal"]
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
No Locked Bootloaders EVER, [HTC, don't blame AT&T]
No "First unit: Flash lens was missing. Returned for a replacement. - rpritch" wth
No "I struggled to buy a defect-less One X unit"
Superior Software & Features... not beats
Touch Wiz vs Sense
Touchwiz was one of the first if not the first to implement hardware acceleration and is one of the smoothest most resource friendly launchers. Back with gingerbread, touchwiz browser was pure butter....one of the smoothest i've ever used and definitely still one of the smoothest i've used. It's also battery efficient etc....
Sense on the otherhand is a resource hog, not very battery friendly, and mostly just looks good. Touchwiz is ugly, but there's a huge dev community for the galaxy phones so getting rid of it and flashing AOSP or anything was super simple.
As for user friendly, touchwiz is probably one of the simplest to use. Also looks kinda like iOS buttons which might help a bit but w/e. In terms of out of the box performance, samsung software > HTC software
- PewPewBangBang One X Owner
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- Anandtech Bench -
What surprises me in these benchmarks is how close the GS2 performs to the One X. Disappointing on One X' part if you ask me.
As we showed in our SGS3 performance preview, the handset is, as Samsung described it, capable of posting "superlative" benchmark numbers with its 1.4 GHz Exynos 4 Quad SoC. It goes without saying that even with TouchWiz running atop Android 4.0.4, the SGS3 is butter smooth, everywhere. - Anandtech
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June can't come soon enough!
boodies said:
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
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The One X has been in available around the world for a month now, and none of those are mass reported problems. Since the SIII is not released yet or even reviewed, I can't see how you think SIII will be problem free.
I like the screen on the One X over my Note (same amoled as SIII), the colour are more accurate and its much brighter in direct sunlight. As for CPU/GPU, both are more than powerful enough to make no difference for day to day use.
Overall, apart from removable battery and micro sd card, SIII and One X are too very close to call. I think both phone will do well over the next few months. The SIII is more suited to the power users, but One X have the WOW factor the SIII lacks, which will do will with general public who don't really care about removable battery or expendable storage.
Bigmille said:
Since the SIII is not released yet or even reviewed, I can't see how you think SIII will be problem free.
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No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Flex Issues - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Things rattling inside phone - Never Happened and I trust Sammy R&D
No Screen Flickering - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
No Stuttering Videos - Proven Exynos CPU and Video Player Both made in-house by Samsung for superior cooperation.
There, happy? And yes I'd like both do to well and push Android further but this is a nerd tech phone forum, why not have some fun ^_^
Threads like this remind me a little bit about Top Gear, where they say a car can't be cool if you have to explain WHY it's cool.
With the one x, you can just show it to someone, and they will be "wow, that's cool". With the SGS3, they will think it looks ugly/bland but may be won over after you spend 5 mins telling/showing them why it's cool.
And yes, phones are all about being cool
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boodies said:
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Flex Issues - Same Material used in Previous Galaxy
No Things rattling inside phone - Never Happened and I trust Sammy R&D
No Screen Flickering - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
No Stuttering Videos - Super Amoled HD = GS2 had no issues
There, happy? And yes I'd like both do to well and push Android further but this is a nerd tech phone forum, why not have some fun ^_^
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The htc one x is a pos.
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diehard2222 said:
The htc one x is a pos.
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It's not a POS that's for sure. But there are some real issues and I don't think people should ignore them. Lets keep things a little more pro brother lol.
The rattling sound that people complain about is when they press a button and it vibrates. They think the sound of the vibration is a rattle
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*Closes eyes and shakes head* -Noooo! Now you're ruining my world! I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
boodies said:
The most beautiful minimalist phone ever produced imho, Kudos to Samsung.
Superior R&D
Superior Audio Codec
- Wolfson Micro WM1811
Superior Video Codec
- "The SGS3 is using among the best encode parameters I've seen on a smartphone to date - 17 Mbps H.264 high profile with CABAC. - Anandtech
Superior Amoled Screen
- While text all look the same at above 300PPI [unless you view your screen with a microscope at 200X] in Multimedia Samoled is King.
Superior CPU and GPU
Infinitely better Eye Tracking! Removable Battery and SD Card Slot...er wait lol
No Build Quality Issues
No Chipping
No Flex Issues
No Things rattling inside phone [seems to be "normal"]
No Screen Flickering
No Stuttering Videos
No Locked Bootloaders EVER, [HTC, don't blame AT&T]
No "First unit: Flash lens was missing. Returned for a replacement. - rpritch" wth
No "I struggled to buy a defect-less One X unit"
Superior Software & Features... not beats
Touch Wiz vs Sense
- Anandtech Bench -
June can't come soon enough!
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The real question is can *you* handle the truth? The truth that CPU benchmarks are a pile of useless s.it that have nothing to do with real life usage experience? The truth that tegra optimized apps will always run better on the one x and there are no whatever-samsung-called-their-cpu optimized apps and won't be for quite some time? The truth that HOX has more beautiful screen than the pentile SAMOLED? The truth that difference in performance *might* be felt after a year and a half when both these phones will be old news? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the downright ugliness of the sg3? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the cheapness of the shiny plastic? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the inferior screen? The truth that after that year and a half finally passes the only apps that will show any difference will run bad on the sg3 and worse on the HOX because both will be outdated?
Can you?
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If I get a SIII I hope I don't have to see useless threads like this in this forum for the next year.
Thread will be closed i am sure in a while..These threads are not necessary. No need to make yourself feel good bro just because you are getting a new toy. Enjoy your new toy and no need to bash others just because they made another choice..Both phones are great and both have their own good points. Even though most are just gimmicks from the iphone (yes S-Voice just a copy from Siri) and really even though i love the features of the phone it still does not cry out innovating from some parts of it..anyways if i did not had my one x i would be going for the s3 cause i still believe it is a good phone but the issues you are stating about the one x not everyone has it..so best go and do your research again. Plus each time i press the water lockscreen it will probably make me wanna go and have a leak.. and on that note
First & foremost I'm an Android Fan & not brand specific and will go with who ever I believe will give me the best end user experience.
I like the One X, I also think it has a very nice display, I like sense as a UI & the unit feels nice in the hand, play with my sisters one most days even to the point where I even ordered one, which I then cancelled due to the impending SIII launch.
Now the SIII is here I have ordered one, mainly due to the larger replaceable battery, full size sim (I have other network contracts) and Micro SD Support. These three things alone kill the HOX stone dead for me and I would guess quite a number of others who have multiple handsets.
I think seriously looks a very subjective thing, but when fashion fades only style remains. In the most part these things normally end up in some sort of protective casing which renders the looks aspect moot in most cases.
In 18months time, when the you have stopped looking at it aesthetically and just use it as a day to day communication,entertainment and productivity tool, what is really going to matter?
To me it will be.
Ease of use, battery life, reliability, compatibility & decent brightness in daylight.
I'm I really going to care about the differences in terms of Screen Technology's on a day to day basis, I doubt it, its a phone at the end of the day as long as the display is good that's all the really matters personally. Not for the least part there will be something better by then the anyway.
They are both really good High end devices which will hopefully push Android even further in front of a certain fruit company.
Just my 2p
I noticed Wolfson on the your spec list. This is great! Sound quality is a major factor for me, and keeps me on my Galaxy S (AT&T Captivate). With the return of Wolfson, I may be able to upgrade this summer when it comes to AT&T.
tkolev said:
The real question is can *you* handle the truth? The truth that CPU benchmarks are a pile of useless s.it that have nothing to do with real life usage experience? The truth that tegra optimized apps will always run better on the one x and there are no whatever-samsung-called-their-cpu optimized apps and won't be for quite some time? The truth that HOX has more beautiful screen than the pentile SAMOLED? The truth that difference in performance *might* be felt after a year and a half when both these phones will be old news? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the downright ugliness of the sg3? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the cheapness of the shiny plastic? The truth that that's a year and a half you'll have to live with the inferior screen? The truth that after that year and a half finally passes the only apps that will show any difference will run bad on the sg3 and worse on the HOX because both will be outdated?
Can you?
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Here is my opinion. I think they both will be winner. I'm not saying that to make everybody else happy, its cause its the truth. Here are facts:
The one x is the best looking device without a shadow of a doubt. It looks sexy, the screen is amazing, it is really a great looking device. But unfortunately it has horrible battery life, screen issues, lag and stutter and sense while it looks beautiful is still a heavy skin. ( about the issues if you don't believe me go check the one x forum). Still it has great potential and WILL get lots of dev support so in a couple of months its gonna be a beast!
Now the Galaxy S3, honestly I like the design a lot. It isn't as beautiful as the one x but still , people are saying that it looks awesome in person. Then you got so many pros, exynos 4 quad on board , expandable storage, removable battery all in a device that is thinner than the one x. Anadtech and many others have reported the phone to be buttery smooth as expected. On top of that the phone should be easy to root ( no S-off bull crap required) all the new features Samsung introduced look great. Dev support is gonna be HUGE just like the one x will but with a boot loader easy to unlock. My personal choice is the S3 cause after I was blown away by the S2 , Samsung has won me over as a loyal customer. They both will b great especially when development takes off but I will give the edge to the s3 cause it is a performer!!!
We dont need another SGS3vsHTC whatever thread.
All general chat goes here
I really don't understand this.
If this is true, Z3 will actually be Z2
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Sony....sony....What's happening...
We won't buy new (same) device just for new firmware..
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It seems like people tend to forget things that aren't specs! I think the current processors are fast enough, and the updates are minor (SD800 vs SD801), so we should wait for 64-bit to see a jump perfomance wise.
The recent picture leaks reveal new speaker design and more rounded edges on the phone. The screen could be better calibrated. Perhaps better resistance to heat aka longer 4k recording. I think there's quite a bit to work on. Wireless charging?
And we should take in concideration that the Z2 came out some 6 months ago!
May be Z2 will has unique features or better camera sensor or better build quality.
And maybe a higher mp front facing camera.
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Of you ask me - that's not enough to call it Z3 but OK...we'll see.
BTW, I think we don't have to wait 808 or 810, S805 will be and would be something you will expect now.
Sony built Z1 with new 800, then they built Z2 with overclocked 800 - S801... What now, they will overclock overclocked 800!?!
They, obviously can't follow 6 months cycle...
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bjornops said:
It seems like people tend to forget things that aren't specs! I think the current processors are fast enough, and the updates are minor (SD800 vs SD801), so we should wait for 64-bit to see a jump perfomance wise.
The recent picture leaks reveal new speaker design and more rounded edges on the phone. The screen could be better calibrated. Perhaps better resistance to heat aka longer 4k recording. I think there's quite a bit to work on. Wireless charging?
And we should take in concideration that the Z2 came out some 6 months ago!
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i agree there is a lot that could be better on the Z2/Z1 -- it seems that Sony is edging towards a perfect iteration of Xperia Omnibalance. the issue is that the Z3 is really what the Z1 should have been!
also hoping that there will be better speakers (but judging from the size of those speaker holes, not holding my breath), better heat dissipation for 4K, and less chance of self-cracking glass. better camera algorithms for HDR, 20MP automatic, etc.
wireless charging? that would be cool, but i'd rather see Sony get a magnetic charging port that doesn't fall out.
SD805 would have been expected, so that's disappointing. but maybe 32GB/64GB variants?
bjornops said:
It seems like people tend to forget things that aren't specs! I think the current processors are fast enough, and the updates are minor (SD800 vs SD801), so we should wait for 64-bit to see a jump perfomance wise.
The recent picture leaks reveal new speaker design and more rounded edges on the phone. The screen could be better calibrated. Perhaps better resistance to heat aka longer 4k recording. I think there's quite a bit to work on. Wireless charging?
And we should take in concideration that the Z2 came out some 6 months ago!
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64-bit performance will be negligible FYI; it's unnecessary for mobile products. Just as a QHD screen is on a ~5 inch device....
seh6183 said:
64-bit performance will be negligible FYI; it's unnecessary for mobile products. Just as a QHD screen is on a ~5 inch device....
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The first iteration might not improve the performance much, but it will continue to get better.
Calling it unnecessary for mobile products is making the same mistake as an IBM Senior Engineer did back in '68.
He said "Yeah, microchips, but what... is it good for?", and as you can see microchips are good for plenty of stuff.
Or another example of the same mistake is Ken Olson, President of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977 whom said "There is no reason anyone in the right state of mind will want a computer in their home."
There is always a reason to make better, cheaper, faster and more mobile computers.
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Oh, I just noticed you have an iPhone 4, that's why you are ignorant.
MiniDemonic said:
The first iteration might not improve the performance much, but it will continue to get better.
Calling it unnecessary for mobile products is making the same mistake as an IBM Senior Engineer did back in '68.
He said "Yeah, microchips, but what... is it good for?", and as you can see microchips are good for plenty of stuff.
Or another example of the same mistake is Ken Olson, President of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977 whom said "There is no reason anyone in the right state of mind will want a computer in their home."
There is always a reason to make better, cheaper, faster and more mobile computers.
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Oh, I just noticed you have an iPhone 4, that's why you are ignorant.
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Your comparisons are so unrelated to the topic at hand that it just blows my mind. You literally just fried my brain with your nonsense.You should have used some car references in there as well to drive your excellent and well thought out point home. If you new a single thing about 64 bit architecture, which you clearly don't, you would know that 64 bit even for computers is questionable.
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Your comparisons are so unrelated to the topic at hand that it just blows my mind. You literally just fried my brain with your nonsense.You should have used some car references in there as well to drive your excellent and well thought out point home. If you new a single thing about 64 bit architecture, which you clearly don't, you would know that 64 bit even for computers is questionable.
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If YOU knew a single thing about anything you would know that 64 bit is undeniably better than 32 bit.. Please, just stop, you are making yourself look really really stupid.
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If YOU knew a single thing about anything you would know that 64 bit is undeniably better than 32 bit.. Please, just stop, you are making yourself look really really stupid.
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Lol
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Lol
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64 bit SoC's will allow more than 3gb RAM in a phone too, that's probably the more realistic benefit at the minute (IMHO).
This makes me happy. Now I can hold on to my Z2 longer without thinking it's an obsolete piece of ****.
bryanhayn said:
This makes me happy. Now I can hold on to my Z2 longer without thinking it's an obsolete piece of ****.
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Haha.. I wouldn't consider it a BAD phone based on that it isn't the latest model
I'm considering buying the Z2 now, and it seems it really doesn't matter regarding performance. Am I going to regret not waiting it out?!
OT: I'm assuming the "major" differences are going to be physical and UX. Sony has chosen a bumpy road trying to impress every half year. We really can't expect a revolution each time (and therefore not making the previous model obsolete)
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Lol
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Funny that you didn't have any better argument than "Lol".
But since you think 64bit is unnecessary why are you using 64bit on your computer?
I call it now, your argument is going to be something like "phones are not computers".
It's absolutely true that we don't need or use many things on our PC, phones or tablets...
But that doesn't mean we don't need it, or if you like, it doesn't mean it's not good for industry to grow...
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not using 100% of any device, that's perfectly normal...
But...
First step will be 64bit architecture then it'll produce less heat, less heat means happy camera users, happy camera users will lead to something else...
That's industry and it's perfectly normal to go forward...
Someone said why QHD screens...well because that will sell devices...
Should they add CRT into Z3 plans?
Yes, we don't need many things but I like to have new and fancy things...
To be honest I don't need 4K recording on my phone but I like to have it
Back to topic...
Totally agree with statement that Sony can't build (not only Sony) and release revolution every six months but it's not cool to sell devices for 1000$, devices that are finished...
Z3 will be finished Z or Z1 - someone said that and I believe that's, sad but, true...
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waynekirby said:
64 bit SoC's will allow more than 3gb RAM in a phone too, that's probably the more realistic benefit at the minute (IMHO).
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3GB limit is x86 architecture specific and it is not directly linked to 32 bit architecture, google for PAE.
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First step will be 64bit architecture then it'll produce less heat, less heat means happy camera users, happy camera users will lead to something else...
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Pure nonsense. I understand meaning of your statements, but this one is just simply not true.
If Sony does refresh their flagship as per EvLeaks tweet, then they're are going to piss off a huge portion of the customer base who bought into the Z2, me included, they seem to be going down the same road that HTC went down, re-releasing minor spec bumped versions of their flagship devices because they didnt cover all angles with the initial devices.
HTC have just won back their customer base and regardless of sales, they have the best Android phone out period, with the M8 they got the formula 100% correct and they are seeing a positive return, Sony has been playing the developers friend and that has opened up doors and they have grown a loyal fan base but they should be careful of this business practice where they do what the did with the Z > Z1.
The life span on a flagship is already down to 11 months maybe and cutting it shorter is going to piss people off and they will take their business elsewhere, while Sony doesnt have the capital expenditure problems that HTC has since Sony is a multi dimentional corporation but this 6 months refresh cycle with see them run at a loss in the long run.
I'm happy with my Z2 and would love for it to be the top dog till the next Mobile World Congress.
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3GB limit is x86 architecture specific and it is not directly linked to 32 bit architecture, google for PAE.
Pure nonsense. I understand meaning of your statements, but this one is just simply not true.
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Haha...you shouldn't take everything so serious...take a deep breath and remember... We are on forum, not in North Korea...
Everyone has right to day what he/she thinks it's right...
If you really understood what I wanted to say, you won't be writing something like that...
I actually know what I'm saying and don't need to ask Google for opinion.
BTW - don't take everything from Google and wiki for granted...
I just simplified long statement....
If you want or need long version why it would lead to "cooler" cpu and device I'll write that for you...
I'm not talking about higher frequencies, I'm talking about new and better architecture and benefits.
And yeah...It's not problem in cpus, it's problem in OS (to add more RAMs)...
But one lead to other and it'll eventually lead to faster devices, powered with better chipsets, more RAM and less heat...
That all ends with happier users, or grumpy ones, like you...
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Seems all these phone companies are just greedy these days, rushing out different models!. The z2 ain't been out for 5 minutes! photo's on a leaked z3 is ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to bringft these flagship phones with minor updates so quickly!?
1st full review is released today and it's not looking good for HTC, will update this thread with more reviews when released.
HTC One M9 Review - Where are the improvements?
-Based on these pictures, and of course many other photos that we have made, we are not impressed by the camera of the M9. In good light it captures more detail than the M8, but sometimes blur on the right. In low light, aggressive noise reduction leads to a lack of detail. A high-end phone that costs a lot of money should we expect better.
-The One M8 was during the test just under 40 degrees. That is palpable, but not uncomfortable. The One M9 was the same load as much as 55.4 degrees. That is a fundamental difference and after the turning of the test was the M9 so hot that it was uncomfortable to hold him.
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-It is obvious that HTC simply exactly the same screen as used in the M8, but that is not the case. For reasons we do not understand is the manufacturer went for another panel that produces noticeably less beautiful picture. For example, the brightness is lower, although the difference is not large. With a maximum brightness of 474cd / m² of M9 screen is fortunately still bright enough to be still visible in the air.
If we look at the contrast ratio of the screen, we see a big difference. Where the M8 a ratio of 1624: 1 makes note, an excellent score for an LCD, the M9 does not exceed 911: 1. That is to see if you like both devices side by side; the image of the M8 look more impressive. Especially in a dark environment can be seen that the black on the M8 is much deeper; the M9 tends a bit more to very dark gray with a blue touch. Look you then even at an oblique angle to the screen, we see clear color shifting, something we expected earlier in cheaper phones.
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Battery is comparable with G3/Lumia 930, screen is worst than M8 according to them...
That review is so bad that I almost want to believe it was a bad unit..
Will wait for a couple more before getting worried
You are funny.
Anandtech said they didnt find the S810 overheating. Some dutch website says a pre release version of the M9 gets hot.
There will be plenty of reviews coming in the next week or so.. lets just wait and see
rkial said:
You are funny.
Anandtech said they didnt find the S810 overheating. Some dutch website says a pre release version of the M9 gets hot.
There will be plenty of reviews coming in the next week or so.. lets just wait and see
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Yes, and Anandtech was using a reference device the size of a tablet, whose size helped with the thermals. We also don't know what else Qualcomm stuffed inside that tablet. There might have been some expensive cooling technology that we don't know of that won't be in the consumer devices.
Hell, that tablet scores a 62k on antutu, when we all know that 810 devices score 50-55k.
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Yes, and Anandtech was using a reference device the size of a tablet, whose size helped with the thermals. We also don't know what else Qualcomm stuffed inside that tablet. There might have been some expensive cooling technology that we don't know of that won't be in the consumer devices.
Hell, that tablet scores a 62k on antutu, when we all know that 810 devices score 50-55k.
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As for the underlying SoC, it seems that a lot of the concerns with the Snapdragon 810 remain unfounded, as the One M9 was quite smooth even with this non-final build of software. It’s likely that while the Snapdragon 810 SoC itself is without issue, properly tuning all of the controls in Qualcomm’s big.LITTLE implementation is a much more difficult than a standard aSMP solution. Unfortunately, due to the non-final state of the software we are unable to present benchmarks of the device, but we will be sure to do this for the full review of the device. In general use, the phone remained cool and comfortable to use, and it was hard to really tell if the phone got any hotter than the M8 in practice, even in benchmarks. The One M7 is definitely far hotter in comparison due to its 28LP process used on the SoC in comparison.
From their M9 hands on.
amidabuddha said:
Dude no offense, but looking at your forum history I can see that you have signed up a couple of days before the official announcement of S6, spend a good amount of time to praise the greatness of Sammy, flaming severely Apple and HTC, demonstrating quite good amount of in-depth knowledge without providing any sources (except few posts) and using a lot of marketing methods to influense the rest of the readers with your opinion.
IMHO you are paid and your advise should be not taken seriously
Just my two cents, I am sorry if I am too suspicious, but people do all kind of weird stuff in the name of the holy Dollar
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I had the great desire to second this in that thread as well.
Looks like the OP here just like you has participated in marketing discussions only since his signing up in a Development forum isn't it strange? No ROMs, no Kernels discussions, no mods, just plain prasing on great Samsung.
Lol Sammy guys stop this please, we will all see is it worth once the devices get to the shops and the real-life reviews come as @rkial already said
Thread cleaned. This is a Reviews thread, not a bun-fight. Neither is it a vehicle to bash HTC.
Keep it civil and on-topic please or it will disappear for good.
Why is it that everybody that says something negative about the M9 is trolling?? I am the biggest HTC fan and im not liking what im hearing about the M9! Im actually really disappointed because I really do think HTC builds the best phones in the market but the M9 just isnt stacking up too well. Considering the phone is so close to launch, I honestly dont think last minute software tweaks are gonna save it from everything. Do I think it can help some? Yes, but I really dont think HTC would have released test units if the software wasnt semi close to final. Companies know leaks happen so if you know the software is that bad then why risk bad press by releasing test units with buggy software that dont show off the phones potential? I dunno I really hope things turn around but HTC seems to be running out of steam. And before anybody says im "trolling" or a Samsung fanboy or whatever, just know I hate TouchWiz, never owned anything Apple and my last 6 devices have all been HTC outside of the Note 2....
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Why is it that everybody that says something negative about the M9 is trolling?? I am the biggest HTC fan and im not liking what im hearing about the M9! Im actually really disappointed because I really do think HTC builds the best phones in the market but the M9 just isnt stacking up too well. Considering the phone is so close to launch, I honestly dont think last minute software tweaks are gonna save it from everything. Do I think it can help some? Yes, but I really dont think HTC would have released test units if the software wasnt semi close to final. Companies know leaks happen so if you know the software is that bad then why risk bad press by releasing test units with buggy software that dont show off the phones potential? I dunno I really hope things turn around but HTC seems to be running out of steam. And before anybody says im "trolling" or a Samsung fanboy or whatever, just know I hate TouchWiz, never owned anything Apple and my last 6 devices have all been HTC outside of the Note 2....
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Thanks for your great post. Not everyone who's being critical is trolling. I hope people have a more open mind when reading internet comments.
In any case, here are the battery life figures for the M9 since the OP didn't include the charts in his post:
Qualcomm will NOT release a processor they know is this bad and HTC would not release a device if it was this much of a failure.
I got the htc one m8 and loved it even on kit kat was super fast everyday use was perfect but got caught up in the hype of samsung marketing and got the plastic Note 4 have hated it since I got it should i mention Note 4 STILL HASNT GOT LOLLIPOP Just pitiful!!!
I suggest trying the HTC One M9 yourself before making bold statements and your personal use will always be different trying it out is worth the restocking fee.
Dont fall for the samsung marketing samsung can keep their plastic phone with glass and no microsd card slot. 64gb cards these days are only 25$
I'm sure somebody will say they cant follow my post mostly likely a samsung lover....lol
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Qualcomm will NOT release a processor they know is this bad and HTC would not release a device if it was this much of a failure.
I got the htc one m8 and loved it even on kit kat was super fast everyday use was perfect but got caught up in the hype of samsung marketing and got the plastic Note 4 have hated it since I got it should i mention Note 4 STILL HASNT GOT LOLLIPOP Just pitiful!!!
I suggest trying the HTC One M9 yourself before making bold statements and your personal use will always be different trying it out is worth the restocking fee.
Dont fall for the samsung marketing samsung can keep their plastic phone with glass and no microsd card slot. 64gb cards these days are only 25$
I'm sure somebody will say they cant follow my post mostly likely a samsung lover....lol
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At this point, I'd rather take the Note 4 over the M9.
At this moment I'm more worried about all these devices coming out with the broken Android 5.0. Even Android 5.1 produces memory leak problems on the Nexus 6, and all these radio issues and signal loss regardless of the device and software is something should've never happened under Google's guidance.
"Author of the article on Tweakers here:
Actually, there was a worldwide embargo on reviews today at noon (Amsterdam time), but on Friday HTC contacted everybody and told them they were postponing the lifting of the embargo until Monday next week.
However, there were two sites who didn't really get this email: British PcAdvisor and Dutch blog AndroidPlanet, one of our competitors in the tech scene in Holland. We had an agreement with htc that we would publish if one or more websites broke the embargo, so that's what we did: publish it.
After the fact, HTC contacted PcAdvisor and persuaded them into removing the benchmarks and renaming it a 'hands on', while AndroidPlanet took their whole review offline.
That's when they called us to ask if we got take it offline as well, but we never do that (because our site is so well read and commented on, that a lot of links people shared won't work anymore for instance) and we felt we were not at fault because we made an agreement and stuck to it.
For the record, to the best of my knowledge the lifting of the embargo was postponed because of a boot issue, not because of issues with the processor or battery life.
Somehow, even after we published htc persuaded all the big media to not publish the review, although they must be ready to publish and the other media would have all the right in the world to consider the embargo broken and thus lifted. How htc persuaded all of them, I just don't know.
So yeah, basically htc did **** up an embargo, by resetting the date a few days in advance.
We did not expect the story about the heating problems becoming hot news (pun definitely intended ) in the English speaking world. We are writing in Dutch after all, a language only like 30 million people in the world understand (we always brag about having more unique visitors than there are Dutch speaking people, but that's ofcourse nonsense, because of the subjects on our site readers like technology a lot and probably use 2 or 3 or more devices to visit our site )"
I guess you can't use the "non-final software" excuse now.
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I guess you can't use the "non-final software" excuse now.
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The phone got delayed for software updates, so yes people could use that "excuse". We get that you dislike HTC and love Samsung but just give it a rest - Adam
Adam182 said:
The phone got delayed for software updates, so yes people could use that "excuse". We get that you dislike HTC and love Samsung but just give it a rest - Adam
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Software can fix dull screen? Nope
Btw no word about RAW, why htc is postponing it perhaps the only thing that could help the camera. Htc is acting like an amateur company this year I can't recognise them anymore
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Yes, non-final software is still a possibility because the review was still done on a phone running pre-final software. You can't deny the possibility that HTC is working on camera post-processing and other software bugs now. Plus, even during MWC, HTC employees continued to tell us that the phone's software was indeed not finalised, so there's that.
P.S. Tbh, your little story was interesting to read, but it didn't suggest anything about "non-final software" at all. It was simply an illogical conclusion
Applesexual said:
"Author of the article on Tweakers here:
Actually, there was a worldwide embargo on reviews today at noon (Amsterdam time), but on Friday HTC contacted everybody and told them they were postponing the lifting of the embargo until Monday next week.
However, there were two sites who didn't really get this email: British PcAdvisor and Dutch blog AndroidPlanet, one of our competitors in the tech scene in Holland. We had an agreement with htc that we would publish if one or more websites broke the embargo, so that's what we did: publish it.
After the fact, HTC contacted PcAdvisor and persuaded them into removing the benchmarks and renaming it a 'hands on', while AndroidPlanet took their whole review offline.
That's when they called us to ask if we got take it offline as well, but we never do that (because our site is so well read and commented on, that a lot of links people shared won't work anymore for instance) and we felt we were not at fault because we made an agreement and stuck to it.
For the record, to the best of my knowledge the lifting of the embargo was postponed because of a boot issue, not because of issues with the processor or battery life.
Somehow, even after we published htc persuaded all the big media to not publish the review, although they must be ready to publish and the other media would have all the right in the world to consider the embargo broken and thus lifted. How htc persuaded all of them, I just don't know.
So yeah, basically htc did **** up an embargo, by resetting the date a few days in advance.
We did not expect the story about the heating problems becoming hot news (pun definitely intended ) in the English speaking world. We are writing in Dutch after all, a language only like 30 million people in the world understand (we always brag about having more unique visitors than there are Dutch speaking people, but that's ofcourse nonsense, because of the subjects on our site readers like technology a lot and probably use 2 or 3 or more devices to visit our site )"
I guess you can't use the "non-final software" excuse now.
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Did you even read what you posted? It didn't mention their unit having final software or even being a non preproduction unit. You're trolling way too hard. Let the phone get released, then if it has issues you can come back out from under your bridge.
You could also just not get an m9.
Unfortunately where you se some smoke, usually, there is fire.
Lets wait and hope the tested Unit is a faulty one or without final hardware.
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The guy saying 28nm will be hotter than this new tech... In semiconductor physics, it's the opposite (smaller process at these limits runs hotter and is much harder to control.)
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th3 said:
The guy saying 28nm will be hotter than this new tech... In semiconductor physics, it's the opposite (smaller process at these limits runs hotter and is much harder to control.)
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The number of cores went from 4 to 8, meaning that the size of each core probably had to be shrunk in order to fit inside a smartphone SoC.
Smaller cores = hotter cores
Received the Maze Alpha a couple of days ago and have been running some benchmark tests. (3DMark to be added)
Figured I'd share them and if anyone has any questions/wants me to check something, please let me know
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Epic Citadel
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MobileBench
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Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
PCMark Work 2.0 battery life (100% screen brightness)
Vellamo
Thanks ! interesting, i am awaiting mine looking forward to testing it myself.
Thanks for sharing, in www.kimovil.com shows antutu score as 80.000, yours is more realistic.
dimmebd said:
Thanks for sharing, in www.kimovil.com shows antutu score as 80.000, yours is more realistic.
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No problem
Kimovil is a great site in terms of being an index of phones and tablets. However, the information provided is often lackluster and sometimes even wrong, unfortunately. I find devicespecifications.com and china-prices.com to be more reliable.
Got mine yesterday... it's like a toy VS the Mi Mix... performances are very poor and the UI is a stock, at all with just a few customizations.
Got mine a few days ago... the Mi Mix is indeed a better phone in every way but it also cost 2-3 times more.
That said, like many of the Chinese phones out there today, it advertises a lot, delivers mediocre performance and features.
For the money, its a nice looking phone, totally stock android.
Terrible camera, very heavy (may be the heaviest smartphone I've ever used).
Slippery as heck - how on earth can any company release a phone especially one that is as hard to hold as the Alpha and not have any cases available for them??
After years of using so many flagships ie Galaxy Note 3, 5, S7 Edge, Nexus 6P, Pixel, Huawei Mate 9m P9, LG G4 V10 V20, Mi Mix, as well as tons of Japanese market models (I live in Japan), I've been trying out some of these more budget friendly models and as you all know they are not all created equally but all their manufacturers try to market unbelievable features for the price.
While they perform admirably in some cases I've learned to deal with many bugs, QA issues, and others surprises.
So far the Maze isn't bad especially for the money. It has its quirks and bugs but along with the other phone I'm using as dual daily drivers now (Umidigi Z1 Pro)... I have been getting by... lol.
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Got mine a few days ago... the Mi Mix is indeed a better phone in every way but it also cost 2-3 times more.
Terrible camera, very heavy (may be the heaviest smartphone I've ever used).
Slippery as heck - how on earth can any company release a phone especially one that is as hard to hold as the Alpha and not have any cases available for them??
So far the Maze isn't bad especially for the money. It has its quirks and bugs but along with the other phone I'm using as dual daily drivers now (Umidigi Z1 Pro)... I have been getting by... lol.
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How does it surprise you the phone is heavy? All information was readily available.
I agree that the camera performance isn't that great - need to mess around with manual settings to get proper shots or wait for further OTA updates (didn't they promise Android O on Facebook? We'll see what happens with that).
Should the cases have been ready before launch? Yes.
In Maze's defense, you can say it's still a new company - the Alpha is just the second product in the company's portfolio. Considering being a new player, Maze has done well so far and what I like is the company's isn't pushing 2-3 new phones every other month, which - hopefully - means the current portfolio of products will receive OTA updates and be maintained.
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How does it surprise you the phone is heavy? All information was readily available.
I agree that the camera performance isn't that great - need to mess around with manual settings to get proper shots or wait for further OTA updates (didn't they promise Android O on Facebook? We'll see what happens with that).
Should the cases have been ready before launch? Yes.
In Maze's defense, you can say it's still a new company - the Alpha is just the second product in the company's portfolio. Considering being a new player, Maze has done well so far and what I like is the company's isn't pushing 2-3 new phones every other month, which - hopefully - means the current portfolio of products will receive OTA updates and be maintained.
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Thanks for the reply!
I never said the weight was a surprise. I'm just stating my observation. It is the heaviest phone I have used and its slippery!
For a new company the quality is actually very good... some other names who have been around longer could learn a thing or two.
As I said, I'm getting by with it as my daily... though would feel much better if I had a case!
Have you had issues with the adaptive brightness? I'm hoping its something they can fine tune in the next update.... slow to respond to lighting changes if at all.... and in pitch darkness it still does not go all the way down.
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By the way thanks to Palm Trees for taking the time to put up all those tests. It really helps people get a non biased view of performance.
I hope you don't mind if I add a few more observations that people might find useful since there is so little info on the web besides the promotional press.
- Notifications work on the Alpha - as some of you can probably relate to, not all phones deliver notifications timely and reliably - but the Alpha does. (running my Z1 Pro at the same time sometimes see the same notifications come 10 min later or not at all)
- Bluetooth is reliable and stays connected. Currently paired to my LG Watch Urbane 2nd and its solid.
- GPS is acceptable which is more than many phones can provide (ie I had a Oneplus 3t before, and the GPS was garbage... slow to connect and could not stay connected and totally inaccurate - which is too bad cause I loved the 3t). The Alpha GPS locks on but there is a bit of drift here and there even in wide open circumstances. I test phones vigorously for GPS as the tall buildings and expressway ramps in Tokyo prove to be a great challenge and at the same time I test them in the suburbs where I live and there is much less interference. (honestly the Umi Z1 Pro has really good GPS!)
-Wifi range is below average. I'm 1m from my router and can't even get full bars. 10-15m away and throughput already starts failing.... not good.
gocchin said:
By the way thanks to Palm Trees for taking the time to put up all those tests. It really helps people get a non biased view of performance.
I hope you don't mind if I add a few more observations that people might find useful since there is so little info on the web besides the promotional press.
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No problem - happy to share and help
Sure, add as much you want to
I wont use it as a daily driver till I get a case. But of course I play around with the phone, more benchmarks will be added today as well.
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I wont use it as a daily driver till I get a case.
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Question is when will cases come out??
I have a hard time leaving a new toy on the bench so I matched the dimensions to another phone here in Japan and am using that case though the camera lenses are covered (which is fine cause the camera is not usable for me anyway).
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Question is when will cases come out??
I have a hard time leaving a new toy on the bench so I matched the dimensions to another phone here in Japan and am using that case though the camera lenses are covered (which is fine cause the camera is not usable for me anyway).
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Very soon it seems
https://www.facebook.com/MazeMobileGlobal/posts/1905055229745062
Added to OP: PCMark Work 2.0 battery life (full screen brightness) + Vellamo
root?
got my Alpha a few days ago. been looking for a way to root it. none of the one click rooters work.
anyone have any insight into whether this phone will get rooted soon? does root have to be developed for each phone separately or can they be ported over etc.?
If we could get a working TWRP RECOVERY, it would be easy to Root the maze alpha...
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Wrong Firmware on needrom!
Just an information for all who wants to flash the firmware or wants to port a TWRP recovery, the stockrom you'll find on needrom as maze alpha it's wrong!
This is doogee mix firmware!
Some stupid joke for the uploader!? Don't know.
I wrote an email to mazemobile about the wrong firmware an needrom.
They answered, that they don't upload this rom themselves! Maybe they will upload the stockromm on mazemobile.com but they don't know when....It's hard work..... Lol
So it will not possible to port a TWRP and impossible to root the maze alpha next time!
Sell it if you a root user!
I see that case Is now available in AliExpress at around 5 usd. The case material is not clear, but it looks tailored made for the phone protecting only the corners and the back of the phone.
http://s.aliexpress.com/uuYb6B7v
idanra said:
I see that case Is now available in AliExpress at around 5 usd. The case material is not clear, but it looks tailored made for the phone protecting only the corners and the back of the phone.
http://s.aliexpress.com/uuYb6B7v
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I asked Maze and that's the exact same link they sent to me, so I've ordered one
Guys,
Anyone knows how to fix the very low intensity of the vibration. I can't feel it in my pocket and I miss calls...
Anyone succeeded in rooting the device and trying to increase the motor speed?
Thanks...
RE: Maze Alpha bugs (vibration, etc)
Maze claims that volume, brightness and battery issues have been resolved in the latest official build (08/16). Perhaps vibration issues have been fixed too, as Maze claims other "optimizations". This build should also have the August security patches:
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B8XLZxEJR8alOXVrdTZ1ZjdPdDA
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/rom-maze-alpha-v0520170816-t3659190
BTW: Maze Alpha cases are all over eBay now. Wish someone would make something other than the checkerboard pattern... just a matter of being patient...
I made a video comparison, see how s20+ is destroyed by S10+ when it comes to gaming
thanks for the video.
I will request the snapdragon version
lch920619x said:
I made a video comparison, see how s20+ is destroyed by S10+ when it comes to gaming
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This is absolutely insane! How the hell did Samsung allow the Exynos 990 out the gate with such poor performance. Your video, along with these two below is a major case for people to at least get refunds from Samsung, the Exynos is clearly not a proper flagship SoC at all!
https://youtu.be/4suhKrD7muQ
https://youtu.be/6CUSe8kgIE8
Thanks a lot for sharing and bringing insight to the community! I am not very active here but when I see something like this my blood boils, I cannot believe Samsung have lead us astray like this!
Oh boohoo! Get over it. It's nothing that cant be resolved with a simple software update. And if you're a "gamer" you shouldn't be buying this phone anyway, it's not advertised as a gaming phone and therefore shouldn't be used as one. Yeah, it should do some gaming, but it was never designed for prolonged periods of intense gaming.
speedyjay said:
Oh boohoo! Get over it. It's nothing that cant be resolved with a simple software update. And if you're a "gamer" you shouldn't be buying this phone anyway, it's not advertised as a gaming phone and therefore shouldn't be used as one. Yeah, it should do some gaming, but it was never designed for prolonged periods of intense gaming.
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I totally agree exynos is not good compare to sd.
but people complain about not able to play games is totaly unacceptable(that to for only few good titles always compares to pubg).because Samsung is allround phone. so yes you can play game but not as gaming phone.also samsung never released a gaming phone yet wait for exynos and AMD collaberation.
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I play cod mobile with medium settings and focus on frame rate, I play for hours and can't find any fault it does get bit warm but I am over it. Yes I wish the sd version came in Australia but with bleeding edge technology you will always have issues no matter the price or company
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Oh boohoo! Get over it. It's nothing that cant be resolved with a simple software update. And if you're a "gamer" you shouldn't be buying this phone anyway, it's not advertised as a gaming phone and therefore shouldn't be used as one. Yeah, it should do some gaming, but it was never designed for prolonged periods of intense gaming.
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Part of the problem is that Samsung’s are sold worldwide and in some places are the closest to a gaming phone we can get in a lot of regions, especially through carriers. Distribution of Xiaomi,RAZER and ASUS gaming phones is pretty limited. In many regions you will not even have after sales support and have to ship your phone off overseas if anything goes wrong.
Oh Samsung DO push gaming in their marketing of the S20 range:
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As well as in their Exynos 990 materials to...
Lag free gaming they say.... LOL!
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/products/mobileprocessor/exynos-990/
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Part of the problem is that Samsung’s are sold worldwide and in some places are the closest to a gaming phone we can get in a lot of regions, especially through carriers. Distribution of Xiaomi,RAZER and ASUS gaming phones is pretty limited. In many regions you will not even have after sales support and have to ship your phone off overseas if anything goes wrong.
Oh Samsung DO push gaming in their marketing of the S20 range:
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As well as in their Exynos 990 materials to...
Lag free gaming they say.... LOL!
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/products/mobileprocessor/exynos-990/
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Read what i wrote dude, it's nothing that cant be fixed with a simple software update. And i also wrote that its not being advertised as a gaming phone and therefore people shouldnt expect it to be one. Samsung have never said that the S20 range is designed purely for gaming. In their marketing, they've merely stated that it can game - and it can. Get over it and wait for Samsung to fix the issue. The device has been out less than a month...
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Read what i wrote dude, it's nothing that cant be fixed with a simple software update. And i also wrote that its not being advertised as a gaming phone and therefore people shouldnt expect it to be one.
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Well I hope they WILL fix it with a software update, big difference between it being possible and them actually doing it. Let’s be cognizant of the fact that Exynos990 has A76 cores and not the newer and more efficient A77 found in the Snapdragon, a software update definitely won’t be able to fix the hardware, their software will probably try patch it up OR they can balance it out by bringing down Snapdragon performance but the latter option would just make people even more angry. They have little wiggle room with this it seems, one wonders how much more they could get out of the Exynos at this point.
Also they don’t have to advertise it as a gaming phone strictly, their claims in the S20 and Exynos990 marketing material both make a pretty big deal about its gaming capabilities which it actually does not live up to.
The Snapdragon on the other hand does a great job at living up to its claims.
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Well I hope they WILL fix it with a software update, big difference between it being possible and them actually doing it. Let’s be cognizant of the fact that Exynos990 has A76 cores and not the newer and more efficient A77 found in the Snapdragon, a software update definitely won’t be able to fix the hardware, their software will probably try patch it up OR they can balance it out by bringing down Snapdragon performance but the latter option would just make people even more angry. They have little wiggle room with this it seems, one wonders how much more they could get out of the Exynos at this point.
Also they don’t have to advertise it as a gaming phone strictly, their claims in the S20 and Exynos990 marketing material both make a pretty big deal about its gaming capabilities which it actually does not live up to.
The Snapdragon on the other hand does a great job at living up to its claims.
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At the end of the day dude, you've seen the video - if you dont like it, steer clear. Nobody has a gun to your head. Quit whining and just wait and see what Samsung do. People are always so quick to nit-pick on a device that's less than a month old.
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At the end of the day dude, you've seen the video - if you dont like it, steer clear. Nobody has a gun to your head. Quit whining and just wait and see what Samsung do. People are always so quick to nit-pick on a device that's less than a month old.
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Not whining is what helps brands get away with nonsense like this. Had people not whined the S20 Ultra would have continued to have Auto Focus problems. I will whine with my fellow enthusiasts whenever we see issues on our favourite devices.
You may go ahead and put me on your ignore list as this will not stop for as long as companies continue with such scumbaggery. I have been around here since the Windows Mobile 6 days and often seen crap like this get pushed under the carpet when nobody says anything.
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Not whining is what helps brands get away with nonsense like this. Had people not whined the S20 Ultra would have continued to have Auto Focus problems. I will whine with my fellow enthusiasts whenever we see issues on our favourite devices.
You may go ahead and put me on your ignore list as this will not stop for as long as companies continue with such scumbaggery. I have been around here since the Windows Mobile 6 days and often seen crap like this get pushed under the carpet when nobody says anything.
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Well if all you have to do is whine and moan about graphics performance on an SoC - then i wish you well with the rest of your life. If you feel that strongly about it, feel free to pick up and pen, find a piece of paper and write to Samsung directly. The issue in post #1 is not a major issue, it's not a deal breaker, it's not the "do all and end all" (so to speak). Pick yourself up, brush it off, wait for a software update from Samsung, take a deep breath and move on. It will get fixed....give it time.
yup I agree with this. I been waiting for come back of snapdragon samsung flagships to Asia personally for india last seen for me was note 4 having sd 805.thats it after all this exynos with lower performance not acceptable for paying 93k rs aprox 1300$
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speedyjay said:
Well if all you have to do is whine and moan about graphics performance on an SoC - then i wish you well with the rest of your life. If you feel that strongly about it, feel free to pick up and pen, find a piece of paper and write to Samsung directly. The issue in post #1 is not a major issue, it's not a deal breaker, it's not the "do all and end all" (so to speak). Pick yourself up, brush it off, wait for a software update from Samsung, take a deep breath and move on. It will get fixed....give it time.
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You deal with it how you want and I deal with it how I want.
You can take a deep breath, ignore my posts and move on. [emoji6]
POLO_i780 said:
You deal with it how you want and I deal with it how I want.
You can take a deep breath, ignore my posts and move on. [emoji6]
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We're all adults here (well, most of us anyway). It's a teething problem on a device that is less than a month old. It will get fixed. But people come to a public forum and say stuff like "Avoid at all costs" "Exynos variant is absolute trash" "DO NOT BUY" etc etc. It's a teething problem and people here are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
sagarb said:
yup I agree with this. I been waiting for come back of snapdragon samsung flagships to Asia personally for india last seen for me was note 4 having sd 805.thats it after all this exynos with lower performance not acceptable for paying 93k rs aprox 1300$
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Exactly, we have seen this year after year, enough is enough at this point, especially the prices we pay for these devices.
Remember back in the Galaxy S4 days with the Exynos 5410 and Snapdragon 600 chip? And then again with the Galaxy Note 4 with the Snapdragon 805 and Exynos 5433.
It’s been going on for far too long, there is always this significant difference but this year is the biggest we have seen.
maybe its nothing, but i sign
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-stop-selling-us-inferior-exynos-phones
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Exactly, we have seen this year after year, enough is enough at this point, especially the prices we pay for these devices.
Remember back in the Galaxy S4 days with the Exynos 5410 and Snapdragon 600 chip? And then again with the Galaxy Note 4 with the Snapdragon 805 and Exynos 5433.
It’s been going on for far too long, there is always this significant difference but this year is the biggest we have seen.
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also those days differences are very less now its significant difference between these too.20% performance is too much and the culprit will be graphics mail GPU and old 76 cortex
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