I've read a few threads here lately where someone asks as question and thereafter gets berated by the members who consider themselves developers for posting a question here. I can totally see their side of the argument since this is a development forum and it makes sense to keep the threads like "Help with my app code" separate from "OMGWFTBBQ!! How do I unbrick my XOOM???". Those people often refer to THE RULES saying it's against them to post questions here and to post in the General section.
I actually don't see that in the rules.
But maybe it should be. I am 'guilty' of posting a question or two here, and I even read the rules first to make sure it was the right place to post. I didn't see anything telling me not to, so I posted here, simply because I feel that the General forum section is for basic questions. In that context, I can see why people do post questions here.
So, I'd like to propose a solution that I think would make everyone happy, and would help clean up this section.
A "XOOM Hacking Help and Advanced XOOM Topics" subforum.
This would be a forum where people could ask all the questions and topics that aren't directly related to the actual development and coding process, but are more advance than most of the topics in the General XOOM subforum.
Would anyone else find this useful?
Also, devs, if there was a forum like this, would you be willing to drop in to answer questions? I know everyone here who is not a developer values your knowledge and helpful insight, which is why people ask questions here in the first place.
Thoughts?
Ive felt a bit of negativity too here. One issue is we don't have a q and a section yet. We are so early in the development cycle for the Xoom. We are building kernels and we don't even have SD slot drivers yet! This is the time for folks to kick back, relax, and enjoy their new toy. I freaking love my xoom! I am so excited for the future of this device. All the fun will come in due time. Relax guys!
I agree. I'm enjoying my XOOM a ton, and I actually visit this section more than any other because I love to see what the great minds here are cooking up for the community. But, I can understand their frustration. They're trying to get their bearings on a new device, but are also getting bombarded with questions that bury topics that are actually related to development. I also agree that some of them go overboard and should take a chill pill. It's not good to have someone get turned off from this forum and its benefits because a dev snapped at them for invading their domain and asking for help.
I voted NO. When there are enough Devs to populate this section, then it will be useful, until then you are only fragmenting the people that make up the community. Until then I would think it best that questions To the devs as well as by devs would be at home here. Many devices never even make it past this point.
I wonder how many people that have developed or are actually developing someting for the Xoom right now, have been the ones to try to enforce said non existent rules.
Yes if your willing to manage moving threads around, because for sure thats whats gonna happen
Generally NO though, In other XDA Development sub forums there are plenty of "OMG I bricked my ..." and plenty of useful developer help... since said bricking, etc usually comes along with installing someone bleeding edge hack.
I understand the want for purity but it will take strict enforcement!
No.
Having a Q&A forum would be nice though to separate all the little questions, especially those that get asked over and over and over..
Wow. Split poll data. lol.
So, I guess the 'devs' should just be nice. Fair enough. Maybe the rules should be updated to reflect what exactly is allowed and/or welcome in this forum.
"Doesn't sound like development to me."
Had an atrix for a few months now and have come to this forum almost daily to read and learn but have not posted until now. Below are just a couple general questions/opinions that I have based on how this forum conducts itself especially compared to other forums I frequent.
1. Why do people think they are owed something by devs and especially for it to be done on a timetable? To the best of my knowledge these people all have work/school/family’s/friends and work on this stuff on there own time and are not paid to do it.
note: to those who complain about making donations to devs and thinking this entitles you to the above learn the definition of DONATION, summarized as “gifts given to benefit a cause with nothing expected in return.”...otherwise it would be a purchase, investment, or wage.
2. Why can’t people read a thread before starting a thread or posting a reply, usually to ask a question that was already answered several times already in that thread or others?
3. In relation to question 2, why does this forum not have more moderators, especially in the Dev forum were people can’t seem to grasp what should be posted in there or what a appropriate reply is. Almost every thread worth readying takes 5x longer to read than it should to weed through the morons who seem to just want to voice there 2cents worth (and most isn’t worth that).
My theory is, if everyone just took a few minutes to search and read before posting then not only would they not fill the forum with junk they would also learn and potentially be able to contribute to the overall knowledge of the forum. I do want to thank those who already do this, I know I have learned an immense amount after coming here a complete android noob.
I agree with you for donations, however, I take exception on those who have spread themselves too thin, have opened up way too many projects and failed to deliver usable results on any of them. If you've got the donation pot out and you fail to deliver on all your promises, expect some reverb to come your way.
As for the rest of your post, you're definitely preaching to the choir
I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed in the tone that gets set through this forum sometimes. Just like the devs have families/jobs/life outside of this forum so does everyone else. Now I 100% agree with using the search feature or even google to find information you need, I just think it doesn't always have to take a smart a$$ response when someone asks a question.
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I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
DarkRyoushii said:
I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
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we tried this on the samdroid forum and it worked ...keep a dev section for releases and a discussion section for the releases.
so every mod/rom had a thread in the dev section (restricted to dev's only for posting) and a thread in the discussion section for questions and thanks etc.
It is well known that the Fascinate forums have been quiet. Many people have moved on to different phones and forums. In fact, it seemed like the Fascinate forums would wither away.
Then something changed. Enyo came to these forums and reinvigorated them and brought them back to their former glory. Gone were the days of few posts and nothing interesting. Good times were back again. ROMS were released. Lulz were had.
Then the dark clouds of oppression began to gather once more. Forum users complained that other users complained too much. People began to fail to see humor in life and started reporting Enyo's threads. The threads that have given us so much joy and are quite frankly one of the few reasons many of us even come to xda any more have been closed.
So, should xda continue to close Enyo's threads?
No. I enjoy shanangens and asshatery.
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No way his threads take xda to a me level of entertainment with many lols. They are way to much fun. Won't be surprised if this thread gets closed as well
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Keep the threads going! Till the truth comes out. They are very interesting. Maybe he is sincerely trying his best to learn how. The whole problem is, his problem with the truth, if he would have said look I'm learning, i can't make any promises, have patience with me etc. It would be whole different ball game. But hey let him learn.
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I imagine this thread will be closed as well, unfortunately Just ask Old Man James what happened when he petitioned to have the "poll" thread reopened
Has anyone seen John Connor?
This thread isn't concerned with retroactively overturning decisions like that poll was. This thread is taking a poll on the general consensus for prospective policy.
No keep them open! Im finding this stuff to be full of lulz. At first I was a bit uptight about the flaming, but the more enyo posts, the more he brings it on himself. I respect the fact he is putting a effort into bringing the fascinate commmunity more roms, but he could stand to be a bit more tactful with his threads/posts. Then again maybe enyo is a know dev that created another account to mess with us abit...you guys got me thinking now. who is enyo actually...the unsolved mysteries of xda lol.
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This thread isn't concerned with retroactively overturning decisions like that poll was. This thread is taking a poll on the general consensus for prospective policy.
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I can try to create some lulz threads of my own, but I could never hope to attain to Enyo's level of mastery and sheer comedic dominance
Has anyone seen John Connor?
All this thread closing has to be affecting morale. I need him in good spirits so we can get a Honeycome port on our Gameboy Colors.
Enyo is a great developer of roms. What else would 25/16 of Fascinate users use? I look forward to his webOS ROM.
all i can say at this point is that i only closed one of enyo's threads and it was not for my own opinion or any user reports, but enyo himself requested the closing. as the op of that specific thread he was entitled to that, just like any noobs that posts a [Q] thread can demand to have it closed or deleted once they have the answers they wanted or for whatever other reason there might be.
Also, as stated on another thread before, personally, i don't mind a little off-topic posting, fun and general discussion. after all, no tv and no beer make homer something something...
however, one must not forget that xda-dev has 4 million users, one million threads and the reputation of being THE smartphone community, THE go-to forum for news, apps, tweaks, roms and hacks and that is something that should be kept that way. new users should not get the impression that all this is, is flaming, trolling and memes. there are other places on the internet for that. just look at what happened to the comments on engadget, or engadget altogether.
so, to a certain point, you can keep having fun, but before you post, please think about the big picture, whether your post is really necessary and what would happen, if everybody here posted like that and useful information would be buried under tons of crap, what happens to users that need actual help with their semi-broken devices and all they find is lulz.
So, to get back to the question at hand:
- i believe that any thread starter should be entitled to decide, whether or not his/her thread should be closed
- if there are too many reports by other users about a thread getting out of hand, it should not be closed, but the reported posts should be deleted and the users should eventually be infracted. in general, if it was not the op, that was reported, he/she should not suffer for having their thread hijacked
- this thread, as well as the other poll will neither be closed nor deleted YET, as you are free to discuss issues like this, but once these polls had a run of a week or two, there should be enough results in on how the community feels, and i will follow the results. if this turns out to be another troll thread, it will be closed /deleted before that.
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All this thread closing has to be affecting morale. I need him in good spirits so we can get a Honeycome port on our Gameboy Colors.
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Love the sig Skrazz
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Chef_Tony said:
all i can say at this point is that i only closed one of enyo's threads and it was not for my own opinion or any user reports, but enyo himself requested the closing. as the op of that specific thread he was entitled to that, just like any noobs that posts a [Q] thread can demand to have it closed or deleted once they have the answers they wanted or for whatever other reason there might be.
Also, as stated on another thread before, personally, i don't mind a little off-topic posting, fun and general discussion. after all, no tv and no beer make homer something something...
however, one must not forget that xda-dev has 4 million users, one million threads and the reputation of being THE smartphone community, THE go-to forum for news, apps, tweaks, roms and hacks and that is something that should be kept that way. new users should not get the impression that all this is, is flaming, trolling and memes. there are other places on the internet for that. just look at what happened to the comments on engadget, or engadget altogether.
so, to a certain point, you can keep having fun, but before you post, please think about the big picture, whether your post is really necessary and what would happen, if everybody here posted like that and useful information would be buried under tons of crap, what happens to users that need actual help with their semi-broken devices and all they find is lulz.
So, to get back to the question at hand:
- i believe that any thread starter should be entitled to decide, whether or not his/her thread should be closed
- if there are too many reports by other users about a thread getting out of hand, it should not be closed, but the reported posts should be deleted and the users should eventually be infracted. in general, if it was not the op, that was reported, he/she should not suffer for having their thread hijacked
- this thread, as well as the other poll will neither be closed nor deleted YET, as you are free to discuss issues like this, but once these polls had a run of a week or two, there should be enough results in on how the community feels, and i will follow the results. if this turns out to be another troll thread, it will be closed /deleted before that.
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I agree with you man... specially the last part that i bolded and underlined...
but it turns out most/all of these threads turn into people trolling or flaming. it is really really starting to get out of hand and i am getting tired of deleting posts by the tens. and then coming back to the same thread 2 hours later to clean out more junk posts....
regarding ENYO's threads. Him and i have traded pm's and we have agreed to leave the threads closed until he can post some evidence or links regarding his work. If i just reopen them, you trolls and flamers are just gonna start up again, so his threads remain closed until then.
@blobloblaw1 I don't appreciate you opening threads regarding this topic. i know you can discuss this and you aren't breaking any rules but i think you know this is just gonna start more flaming and ultimatly end up in a flame war.
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@blobloblaw1 I don't appreciate you opening threads regarding this topic. i know you can discuss this and you aren't breaking any rules but i think you know this is just gonna start more flaming and ultimatly end up in a flame war.
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I'd prefer to have the conversation and hope that we are all mature enough to handle it rather than stifle discussion because we fear that something annoying might happen. Regardless, discussion on the issue will happen and if that discussion isn't here, it's going to spill over into the ROM threads. Off topic chatter in ROM threads is infinitely more annoying in most people's opinions.
I guess the news that has come out is that the threads were only closed due to OP (Enyo) asking them to be closed. So anyway, this is more of a non-happening than it seemed.
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I agree with you man... specially the last part that i bolded and underlined...
but it turns out most/all of these threads turn into people trolling or flaming. it is really really starting to get out of hand and i am getting tired of deleting posts by the tens. and then coming back to the same thread 2 hours later to clean out more junk posts....
regarding ENYO's threads. Him and i have traded pm's and we have agreed to leave the threads closed until he can post some evidence or links regarding his work. If i just reopen them, you trolls and flamers are just gonna start up again, so his threads remain closed until then.
@blobloblaw1 I don't appreciate you opening threads regarding this topic. i know you can discuss this and you aren't breaking any rules but i think you know this is just gonna start more flaming and ultimatly end up in a flame war.
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fwiw, (and this is just me talking out loud about my own preferences) hype threads shouldnt be allowed or be limited or something
the vast majority of trolling/flaming results from them
i consider myself a legit developer (although xda doesnt seem to want to recognize me as such currently but w/e) and at best ill occasionally put sneak peak pics/coming soon stuff in existing rom threads that i alread maintain....i dont start 5 bazillion threads with ridiculous claims like 243/79ths of the community use my teams work, or just hype up roms that may or may not see the light of day
granted i enjoy the lulz that are associated with all of it, but it seems the main problem isnt going away, which is one particular individual constantly repeating his/hers same mistakes
just label his as waste of time
Hello everyone,
I'm sure many of you have been frustrated with having to answer the same questions 39 times in any given ROM/Kernel thread, or at least have had to read through people asking & answering the same questions over and over.
Or maybe you've had to read the past 85 posts in a thread, b/c you missed 2-3 days of action b/c you were busy, just to keep up, so you could save face, and not ask a question that was already answered.
Or maybe you just like helping out, and keeping threads clean.
Well, I'm trying to get some momentum requesting that the Devs enable the in-thread Wiki post. It's a post that shows up after the OP that allows anyone to edit/update content. Better than an external Wiki...b/c it's RIGHT after the OP & our MODs won't have to waste time updating their OPs over and over...we can do it for them, AND we can save everyone time.
If you like this idea, please respond to my post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21592127#post21592127
Just trying to save some headache and trim down the post count in some of our eternally long and monotonous threads.
Ciao-time
how do we know that xdas forum code is able to include this?
Not only that but the people that repost the same questions over and over are the people that don't read the OP anyways... imo it might cut down on a couple dumb/repetitive posts, but not many...
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THREAD IS MOVED HERE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28131167&posted=1#post28131167
Considering there is no support to anyone using CheckROM on XDA as the thread was closed. I have created this thread for people to list issues with the ROM or any themes, fixes or general ROM related problems.
I tried this once before a moment ago but it was closed by conantroutman because he is a really cool guy and obviously incredibly intelligent and knows exactly what has happened.
Originally Posted by uppon2
Under what rights did you close that thread? It was a general discussion thread for CheckROM.
General discussion means anything general. I believe you have no grounds to stand on closing that thread. Prove me wrong
First of all, this "general discussion" thread is nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse for you to rant about the fact that this particular ROM is not being updated as quickly as you would like and/or because the developers have decided to focus on a newer device over the SGSII. That is their decision, deal with it.
As for the problem with checkrom.com, that's a checkrom.com issue not an XDA-Developers issue. Take it up via the proper channels. (Hint, XDA is not the proper channel)
As I said before, if you have an issue with somebody, resolve it via PM. Due to the way you have chosen to word the OP this thread would only lead to you being flamed and we wouldn't want that now would we?.
This is a development forum, not a place for gossip and idle chit chat.
These are the grounds upon which I stand, consider yourself proven wrong.
I appreciate that you're a little miffed so here's a particularly adorable kitten to cheer you up. Have a nice day.
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You forgot to post this PM I also sent to you
Uppon2 = I don't need to contact anybody by PM by the way? Why would I need to do that. I am just laying out the truth in a general fashion. I think every man and his dog have sent them many PMs and requests for an explanation about their lies. Don't come along all high and mighty without reason dude.
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He never responded to either of my PMs even considering that is what to do first. Instead he posted it in the thread like a hero and gave me no chance to defend myself.
I was never trying to say anything else other than GadgetCheck and Leomar hyped up an unreleased ROM encouraged people to donate and took donations only to not actually do anything they said they were going to do. They have a donate button for a reason. To encourage further development (Which was already told was happening months ago) and to also give them a pat on their backs for what they have done already. I know for a fact many users donated solely on the fact there was going to be an ICS release as soon as jkay was ready and then again in June (Both times it never happened)
Now you can close this thread again, you can ban me, mute me and do anthing your powers provide. It is just solidifying my argument about CheckROM and proving that you're a macho moderator.
I am putting money on it that this thread will be closed. THERE IS NO REASON TO CLOSE IT. I'm not taking peoples money and running. Let the public speak.
I am not trying to get unbanned from checkrom.com I don't even care, my point was to strengthen my original argument of being mislead. And proved it I did
If you had actually read everything in my original thread you would have still closed it but you wouldn't have replied the way you did mate.
I posted this here on purpose to get the attention of certain people. I do apologise for my actions and I was a bit of a douche
If you have a problem with a moderator, take it up with the moderator committee, instead of creating a thread in a development section.
Cheers.