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there might be some typos and some unintentional things (tone of writing this may be)... I do not mean to offend any one... u can consider the following as a random blog post not targetting anyone
please dont laugh.. i am not good at these kind of things...
Ok now before u start flaming and start fanboy-wars on this, I suggest that u read the full content…
I AM NOT A SE FANBOY!
I have tried to provide an unbiased review of Samsung Galaxy S2 from point of view of a Xperia X10 user/android user… oh btw I am writing this considering that u use custom kernels on X10!
Some background… I have primarily used Symbain phones for almost 4-5 yrs… just last year I bought my first android phone the Xperia X10! Since then I have bought many androids for myself, my friends & family… I have personally used Motorola Milestone, SE Xperia Arc, LG Optimus One and now just last week I got the Samsung Galaxy S2 (SGS2)…
this will be sort of comparison between SGS2 and X10 and my personal opinion regrading both these devices as they CURRENTLY stand
[ THE SPECS ]
The SGS2 is a beast!
The most significant difference is the screen… Super AMOLED PLUS which quite frankly is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL DISPLAY I have EVER USED! It just blows away the LCD/LED displays (compared to X10 which has LCD display) Now before some ppl catch my throat saying that “colors are not ‘natural’” let me share with u that there is a setting provided by Samsung called “Background Effect” which basically can allow u to adjust the saturation & contrast of the images on screen! For the “natural color” minded folks u can use the “movie” option… others can enjoy the “Standard” or better “Dynamic” options…
It has 4.3’’ screen which is slightly bulky in hand and little bit hard to grip (compared to X10 which has 4’’ screen) frankly the difference is only noticeable if u are watching videos…
It has 1.2 Ghz dual core ARM-9 chips (compared to X10 single core 1 Ghz Arm-8 chip)
very powerful dedicated GPU [Mali-400] which will handle any of the latest games u can throw at it! (compared to Adreno 200 on X10)
sgs2 has 836 MB User accessible RAM (compared to 280 MB on X10)
The internal memory is eMMC so there is actually an microSD card used for system, data, etc… so the actual usable /data partition is 2GB!!!! (compared to 465MB on X10)
Also the internal sdcard has 12 GB free space [I have the SGS2 16GB version] AND there is room for additional external SDCARD!!! (compared to 8GB supplied by SE for X10)
SGS2 supports simultaneous 10 point finger recognition! Take that multi touch games!
SGS2 has lots cool features like HDMI output/USB On-the-GO [but u will need to buy these adapter/cables separately]
Front facing camera and fullHD (1920x1080p) recording are few other perks (x10 can do 720p recording)
SGS2 has 1650 mAh battery compared to 1500 mAh of X10
SGS2 has HSPA+ (21 Megabit/sec) compared to HSDPA (7.2 Megabit/sec) on X10
And ofcourse SGS2 comes with unlocked bootloader (there is a thing called download-mode binary counter which keeps a tab on how many time u flashed using the flashing tool ODIN, though this can be reset using a hack )
[ ACTUAL USAGE ]
SGS2 just comfortably cruises thru menus/etc… no lag whtsoever... menu scrolling/web browsing anything u throw at it SGS2 will just devastate it
Using live wallpaers, having 10 tabs open in browser, multitasking with a game running in the background and then scrolling thru menus it doesn’t LAG!
[ THE GOODIES ]
Ok now comes the dev aspect, with SGS2 being adapted by so many users/devs, within just 2 months of release, there are already tons of ROMs/Kernels/themes/etc…
U have the freedom to choose overclock/undervolt/overvolt kernels… there are even apps to control voltage of every frequency set! U can overclock/regulate the GPU too! Some guys over at SGS2 forums run it at 1.9Ghz without a hitch! (compared to X10 which only is able to handle 1.1 Ghz overclock)
btw this doesnt mean that i dont respect/honor our devs here at X10 sub-forums... i have a HUGE respect for them and all that they have achieved and are currently doing/working on... they have done / are doing a great job to make our terribly limited device (cause of manufacturer policies) awesome & rocking
[ THE BAD / UGLY ]
Ok the screen resolution on SGS2 is really bad... I mean seriously, a 4.3’’ screen deserves 960×540 (qHD) resolution not 800x480… sure u can change dpi but then that’s NOT TRULY changing resolution…
There is no hardware camera button! It is very funny but seriously I miss the camera button…
when will they get good XENON flash in top end android devices? i really miss the xenon flash from my old Nokia N82
another problem is that there is NO LED FOR NOTIFICATIONS
A lot of defective display units are there… I myself had this problem and had to get it replaced with a new piece… also many users at SGS2 forums have reported this…
Device heats up even using stock FW… I was playing Modern Combat 2 for 15-20 mins and I could feel the back of the device getting really warm…
NOW THE BIGGEST ISSUE there are not many apps currently available which can make use of dual core processors… may be multi-threaded/multi-core optimized apps will take time to get in but currently not many apps can make use of this…
[ MY VIEWS ]
Now from this point forward are my personal views/opinions... I am not telling u to do something… this is just wht I personally feel… if u wish u can read this whole thing and say “wht a bunch of crap… he doenst know wht he is talking abt” I don’t mind that, those are ur views these are mine
The final decision if u want to buy a new phone ALWAYS is with YOU AND YOU ONLY!
As I said before SGS2 is a great device but there are some thing to consider before u UPGRADE… keep in mind that the following views/opinions are only valid if u are upgrading from an X10 to a SGS2… if u are upgrading from sub-1Ghz phone then this will not matter...
I wouldn’t call an upgrade from X10 to SGS2 a BIG GAME CHANGING thing… there is not much difference in 4.3’’ and 4’’ screen sizes… also if u have been using custom kernels on X10 (fps uncapped /overclocked) then SGS2 feels slightly smoother… the screen/image quality is obviously better on the SGS2... But honestly 16million colors (SGS2) vs 65k colors (x10) is not that great a difference, it is only noticeable in some images/videos which have heavy gradation…
The big issues is that currently there are not many apps that can use this much power… then there is the practical issue… see u can play games/overclock/etc for some time BUT most of the time (>80%) u will be running the device @ 800Mhz to 200 Mhz (lowest speed which can be set)…
Though if u are upgrading from a 600Mhz phone (with < 3.5’’ screen size) then SGS2 is a TOTALLY different experience…
One thing to keep in mind currently most of the issues faced by us X10 users (like camera not fully working in 2.2+ custom roms, stability of custom kernels) are related to the restrictions imposed by SE… thing may improve once we get the GB update…
[ FINAL REMARKS ]
So keeping all of the above in mind here are my recommendations
Why u shouldn’t jump to dual-core bandwagon? (AS OF NOW)
If you still have a few months left on you contract and if u don’t mind a few sec delay/slight lag I recommend that u WAIT FOR NEXT generation phone… I am not talking about quad core/etc… frankly CURRENTLY there is just no point for a 2+ core phone… even 2 cores is an overkill! What I suggest is that u wait for next gen technology (28nm fabrication) which will greatly improve battery life… hold on till the apps/games can actually make use of the tremendous processing power packed into today’s dual core phones…
Who should go for this upgrade?
u just liked it
u are upgrading for < 1Ghz phones
u have the money and don’t mind spending that much for the BEST PHONE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
u are a POWER USER and do heavy multitasking, need to play latest games at max frame rate
u want an additional phone to use (like me )
u are stuck on X10 stock 2.1 rom and don’t want to install custom roms/kernels
u are totally frustrated with the X10 and don’t want to wait for GB upgrade
why currently u shouldn’t “upgrade” to any other single core phone?
See single core phones are already very old hardware… there is no point spending so much money on a single core phone which will be outdated in next 6 to 8 months (tops)…
Instead wait for a few more months and then get a dual core phone
I hope u guys appreciate this and it helps those who are currently planning to u buy a new phone…
P.S.: I hope u have noticed that I keep saying CURRENTLY, cause all that I have psoted above (my views/opinions) is only valid for things UPTO THIS POINT (July 8, 2011 01:00 AM GMT+05:30)… technology is an every changing thing and wht is best today wont be the best (or even good) tomorrow!
WOW, nice...thanks for the review! I myself own a X10 but the current news of GB 2.3.3 & unlocked bootloader is really awesome!
Enjoy your S2 buddy
I tried a SGS2 couple of days back and only one thing annoyed me the most. The home button takes ages to wake the phone up from sleep. I know it is nothing but it annoyed me a lot Apart from that nothing to complain. I will surely get it once I can go to store
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realunited123 said:
I tried a SGS2 couple of days back and only one thing annoyed me the most. The home button takes ages to wake the phone up from sleep. I know it is nothing but it annoyed me a lot Apart from that nothing to complain. I will surely get it once I can go to store
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i disabled home screen waking it was getting annoying... better to use power button to lock/unlock device...
load of c**p!
a) dual core is using more battery than single core.
b) dual core price is much larger than single core + no full usage of dualcore.
c) single core processors won't be outdated. NEVER! Why? For example in Croatia
i payed like half my pay for year old X10 and my pay is like 600 usd per month, imagine how much would cost dual core?
Conclusion dual-core is for gamer freaks... / ppl that don't get that "lag" here or there is normal thing from pc to smart phone...
Find me one pc / phone that has never had any lag in any game / program and i will ... something with stone ...
But review is ..... long and detailed ..... and very usefull! Thanks!
Very nice and thorough review, thanks a lot!
Turns out that those were exactly my thoughts too. My cousin bought the SGS 2 and even though it feels great in use, I want to wait another year, save some serious money and buy the top phone available then.
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DooMLoRD said:
i disabled home screen waking it was getting annoying... better to use power button to lock/unlock device...
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Hence another problem of pressing volume button instead of power. I had it for a day and a half to play with it. BTW was it just me or it gives an alarm that battery is full!?? Dunno why Samsung made it that way.
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aZuZu said:
load of c**p!
a) dual core is using more battery than single core.
b) dual core price is much larger than single core + no full usage of dualcore.
c) single core processors won't be outdated. NEVER! Why? For example in Croatia
i payed like half my pay for year old X10 and my pay is like 600 usd per month, imagine how much would cost dual core?
Conclusion dual-core is for gamer freaks... / ppl that don't get that "lag" here or there is normal thing from pc to smart phone...
Find me one pc / phone that has never had any lag in any game / program and i will ... something with stone ...
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agree with u on some aspects BUT here is some info if u didnt already know...
dual core doenst use more battery... it only kicks in after certain speeds... so if u are idling (say 500mhz/200mhz) then only single core is active... only when u need more processing the other core (s) get active... something similar to turbo boost but the other way
My_Immortal said:
Very nice and thorough review, thanks a lot!
Turns out that those were exactly my thoughts too. My cousin bought the SGS 2 and even though it feels great in use, I want to wait another year, save some serious money and buy the top phone available then.
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great decision! till then the android market will have sufficient apps to make use of that much power...
OH BTW currently andorid doesn't native-ly support gpu based screen/UI/framework acceleration...
realunited123 said:
Hence another problem of pressing volume button instead of power. I had it for a day and a half to play with it. BTW was it just me or it gives an alarm that battery is full!?? Dunno why Samsung made it that way.
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i know! its damn annoying... pulser_g2 has a dev thread going on regarding that!
What I find absolutely stupid about Android as a whole is, that you need a frigging dualcore phone to run it smooth 'ala iOS. I mean smooth as in the UI running at a constant framerate without any dips at all. That was the only reason I was looking up to Apple's devices for a while.
Then SGS2 happened. Now I know what my next phone is.
Thanks for this great review...all i can said is that you are perfectly right about dual core phones advantages! have you already tried to compare arc display with sgs2 one?and how much better is arc compared to x10? thanks doom..nice work!
Cheers
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ooidort said:
What I find absolutely stupid about Android as a whole is, that you need a frigging dualcore phone to run it smooth 'ala iOS. I mean smooth as in the UI running at a constant framerate without any dips at all. That was the only reason I was looking up to Apple's devices for a while.
Then SGS2 happened. Now I know what my next phone is.
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well the problem is that iOS supports gpu based acceleration of UI! which android doesnt! android depends completely on CPU for UI rendering which causes this lag... u can check even on HC this is a problem... BUT once the gpu acceleration based apis are in place then OH MAN will these things fly!
djkekko89 said:
Thanks for this great review...all i can said is that you are perfectly right about dual core phones advantages! have you already tried to compare arc display with sgs2 one?and how much better is arc compared to x10? thanks doom..nice work!
Cheers
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yes dude i have compared X10 / Arc / SGS2 display... wanted to compare with iPhone4 and SGS1 but couldnt get hold of those devices...
let me put it plainly SGS2 display IS THE BEST U CURRENTLY CAN HAVE...
the colors are much better on SGS2 display (again this is personal preference)...
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well the problem is that iOS supports gpu based acceleration of UI! which android doesnt! android depends completely on CPU for UI rendering which causes this lag... u can check even on HC this is a problem... BUT once the gpu acceleration based apis are in place then OH MAN will these things fly!
yes dude i have compared X10 / Arc / SGS2 display... wanted to compare with iPhone4 and SGS1 but couldnt get hold of those devices...
let me put it plainly SGS2 display IS THE BEST U CURRENTLY CAN HAVE...
the colors are much better on SGS2 display (again this is personal preference)...
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So..the only way to have the better screen is super amoled??cause if you want the best phone you need this kind of screen but it is made only by few manufactures..like samsung and some htc..so there not much choise!
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So..the only way to have the better screen is super amoled??cause if you want the best phone you need this kind of screen but it is made only by few manufactures..like samsung and some htc..so there not much choise!
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see thats the thing... its not the case that Super AMOLED is the best...
its more on personal preference... w.r.t. display u can ur self check out SGS1, Nokia N8, SGS2, Arc, HTC Sensation...
Very nice review, i'd love to buy the sgs 2 too but the price is just tooo big
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Very nice review, i'd love to buy the sgs 2 too but the price is just tooo big
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just wait for a few months (2-3) till then the prices would go down by 15-20%... also that will be time then next gen processors hit the market...
@all
almost forgot... another issue of SGS2...
NO LED FOR NOTIFICATIONS
Also I heard the camera is not as good as Arc's? Atleast it records video in 1080p though
Well SE in hardware is always in time of the needs if you can see arc was the best smart phone in 2011 above SGS2 and now there is a dual core xperia smartphone on the target but of course it will come when the software is totally ready for that i would like to see the xperia duo
ooidort said:
What I find absolutely stupid about Android as a whole is, that you need a frigging dualcore phone to run it smooth 'ala iOS. I mean smooth as in the UI running at a constant framerate without any dips at all. That was the only reason I was looking up to Apple's devices for a while.
Then SGS2 happened. Now I know what my next phone is.
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ios runs smoothly because it's a much simpler platform than android. If apple ever get the balls to revamp their os to support homescreens and widgets, I am pretty sure the performance would dip significantly.
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Also I heard the camera is not as good as Arc's? Atleast it records video in 1080p though
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I took some photos with the SGS II and the quality was superb.
Lightning conditions were not good, but still there was very little noise,
the picture was sharp and the colors vivid.
Only thing is, there was some short of pink hue in the corners of the picture.
I don't know if that's the case for this phone, or that one was faulty.
Also, the flash is VERY BRIGHT!!!!!!
What do you think about the camera Doom?
[ THE BAD / UGLY ]
Ok the screen resolution on SGS2 is really bad... I mean seriously, a 4.3’’ screen deserves 960×540 (qHD) resolution not 800x480… sure u can change dpi but then that’s NOT TRULY changing resolution…
There is no hardware camera button! It is very funny but seriously I miss the camera button…
when will they get good XENON flash in top end android devices? i really miss the xenon flash from my old Nokia N82
another problem is that there is NO LED FOR NOTIFICATIONS
A lot of defective display units are there… I myself had this problem and had to get it replaced with a new piece… also many users at SGS2 forums have reported this…
Device heats up even using stock FW… I was playing Modern Combat 2 for 15-20 mins and I could feel the back of the device getting really warm…
NOW THE BIGGEST ISSUE there are not many apps currently available which can make use of dual core processors… may be multi-threaded/multi-core optimized apps will take time to get in but currently not many apps can make use of this…
Nice review, but these things made me happy that I haven't bought a SGS2 yet!! I would miss the camera button, led, and especially devective unit which are much of them... Very much... Great phone, but lacks of the most standard functions of a smartphone... Maybe that's why the phone is so thin... Also I've heard from many SGS2 users that there is a some kind of yellow shine on the left side of the screen. Super phone, but little things that aren't worth for this price... It's a smart choise from me to wait till any quad-core phone, and I really hope there will come a very sexy Nexus Quad-core phone. Camera is also nice, but for real recording get a camcorder LOL.
Before fanboys start screaming at me, PHONE IS GREAT but just these things...
And DooM, don't let our negative things/or things the x10 has but SGS2 not have spoil the fun. Enjoy your new super phone!
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Doom, you also talked about higher resolution. Well, that's not possible on AMOLED screens. They can only support up to what the SGS2 now has...
After almost a year of ownership I've decided to upgrade the Arc to the only other phone with a form factor and feel I like, the HTC one S.
I really wanted to love my Arc (lt15) but I was constantly battling with lag, battery life, and storage space etc. Trying new rom after new rom helped fix this to some degree but it was never perfect.
The One S is slim, has an awesome finish, a beautiful screen and camera and I'm sitting here 16 hours later with 50% battery left.
So, thank you to the Arc for being a great phone but onwards and upwards to the One S.
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there not bad but so flimsy the missis had hers for less than 2 days she dropped it while knelt down from her trouser pocket and the outer screen shattered bare in mind the missus is only 5"5 so knelt down the fone only fell like a foot at the most althow its never a good idea to drop ur fone at least with the arcs sturdyness it would have take that fall a hundred times over and laughed back
Do you like Sense, or do you think the Xperia UXP was better?
and besides isnt the htc running 4.0.3 that would be a step down software wise wouldnt it =)
I actually like Sense a lot more than the Sony UI, HTC have really done the new implementation well but as with everything, if you don't like it you can just remove it, in my case i've kept it.
As for sturdiness, well I am prone to dropping my phone and the Arc took quite a beating, lets home my One S doesn't suffer if/when I drop it.
well best of luck to u m8 my partners screen didnt, only guna cost like £40 to repair it but still alot for a 2 day old fone oh and fyi hers was the htc one X sorry not the S
I'm also thinking about upgrading to the One S. Are you content with the upgrade? Personally I'd have to pay 200$ for the upgrade - do you think that it's worth it? Is it anything that you miss about the arc having your One S for a few days now?
Xperia S it better option as compare to One S
i read all the specs of one S
it has only 16 GB internal memory with no memory card slot 8 MP camera and no HDMI port , also the 256 ppi pixel density
Xperia S is better then this specs
zohaib0001 said:
i read all the specs of one S
it has only 16 GB internal memory with no memory card slot 8 MP camera and no HDMI port , also the 256 ppi pixel density
Xperia S is better then this specs
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And then you miss out the serious specs like the 'Xperia S' running an older Qualcomm S3 where as the One S has the S4 chip set...Makes a large difference.
LegibleEel said:
And then you miss out the serious specs like the 'Xperia S' running an older Qualcomm S3 where as the One S has the S4 chip set...Makes a large difference.
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Other countries' HTC One S is sporting the Qualcomm S3 dual core SoC.
Taiwan is one for example, it is clocked at 1.7GHz.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-s-launched-in-taiwan-with-snapdragon-s3-01231207/
So Xperia S is at advantage when compared to the HTC One S S3 variant, with higher ppi and slightly larger screen to name a few.
The problem with One S is the pentile matrix on a relatively low ppi screen and the camera which using gsmarena compare picture quality tool seems to be worse than the one on the Arc. Those are the only 2 reasons why I'm still not upgrading. I don't know about real life performance difference too, I'd like the person who switched to compare, because I'm curious.
On one hand in benchmarks the S4 is a king of mobile processors at the moment offering like a dozen times faster float point processing but is it really that noticeable? Arc is relatively smooth in all it does. And that appears to be the biggest difference between those 2 phones, except of the price. I'm not sure if it's worth the price difference.
One S with Dual core Krait processor is the beast of the phones! Even beats the quad one x. Tegra 3 is just good for games only. Krait outshines tegra3 in the rest!!!
I played with an Xperia P today and it's beautiful. I actually prefer it over the Xperia S. I might have to sell my arc S and get one.
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rec71 said:
I played with an Xperia P today and it's beautiful. I actually prefer it over the Xperia S. I might have to sell my arc S and get one.
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Im with u buddy...but im gonna wait till august... =)
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I actually just ordered the SG Note i717. I was going to go with the One s, but i didn't like how it doesn't have an external car slot. I like the idea of having all that memory on your phone, but wtf, we can't have an external card too. ppfffft that. So I decided on the note. The big ass screen will help with everything I have to do online for school, plus it can take a microsd so I'm happy, just waiting for it to get here is the dragger. I know it still has the S3 processor but the only difference noticebly is heavy heavy use or camera snap time between them, of course the S4 is faster. The next one will be as well and so on so forth. On the other hand I still can't complain about my Arc S. It's has been quite the champ after all said n done now I get like 24-50 hours battery life, just accessing my school online with zooming n unzooming all the time is annoying as hell. I might sell my arc s or just use it to, how did my roommate put it, "technologically rape" it.
>-----> Comparison: Z1 vs Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video (Spoiler: one of them lags)
Here's a video comparison showing both Xperia Z1 and Galaxy Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video.
http://youtu.be/fwn8cgWpTnc
Why is it lagging so bad? (I mean, the other one, compare the butterfly wings for example)
Thoughts?
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S800 cant handle the sammy bloatwares. Anyway old.
Good Luck recording 4K videos then haha
when I had XZU I played a few sample 4k videos and they play flawlessly
dang the color difference is just so far apart. XZ1 FTW
Take that Samsung! Screen of Z1 also is way better, ZU also has great screen like the Z1 and plays things better then Note 3 with less rom
Samsung big fail with 3GB ram etc and still a crappy phone
krabappel2548 said:
Take that Samsung! Screen of Z1 also is way better, ZU also has great screen like the Z1 and plays things better then Note 3 with less rom
Samsung big fail with 3GB ram etc and still a crappy phone
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Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
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gtrab said:
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
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OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
Sean473 said:
OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
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Have you ever overclocked a Kernel?
And yes it is very significant... to Samsung's marketing dept.
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OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
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They probably still do the same benchmark cheating like they had, especially when they actually admitted it and said they did nothing wrong. I always wonder why Touchwiz is laggier than others with the same/similar SoC and yet it always top on benchmark. That was why.
the last few posts on this thread mean nothing to me, I have seen benchmark scores from Z1 that are better than a higher clocked device - does it really matter ?
what's the phone recently that has a rear end stitched on - what were they thinking, that just threw me completely - I can't say more because I am totally blown away - who decided that a modern device looked cool with the back panel stitched on ???????
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the last few posts on this thread mean nothing to me, I have seen benchmark scores from Z1 that are better than a higher clocked device - does it really matter ?
what's the phone recently that has a rear end stitched on - what were they thinking, that just through me completely - I can't say more because I am totally blown away - who decided that a modern device looked cool with the back panel stitched on ???????
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wtf are you talking about....Note 3 has changeable back plate anyway.
gtrab said:
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
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It's not "slightly overclocked", it's just another variant of the chip...
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wtf are you talking about....Note 3 has changeable back plate anyway.
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http://www.imore.com/samsung-picks-faux-stitched-leather-and-slaps-it-back-galaxy-note-3
Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
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http://www.imore.com/samsung-picks-faux-stitched-leather-and-slaps-it-back-galaxy-note-3
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Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
krispy1 said:
Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
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So apparently, there's this Samsung fanboy, running here to give the Note 3 protection and unnecessary details like how Note 3's SOC is superior. Seriously?
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lee480 said:
So apparently, there's this Samsung fanboy, running here to give the Note 3 protection and unnecessary details like how Note 3's SOC is superior. Seriously?
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Someone said the Note 3's SoC was overclocked. He's simply saying it isn't.
I fail to see the fanboyism.
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Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
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Major problem in all samsung Device ia touchwiz, samsung always have good devices in hardware.
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le_lutin said:
Someone said the Note 3's SoC was overclocked. He's simply saying it isn't.
I fail to see the fanboyism.
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I agree, it wasn't fanboyism. Although it was wrong as far as I can tell, I find no record of any phone other than the Xiaomi MiPhone3 that is shipping with the MSM8974AB, which has the higher clocked GPU. Everything I can find points to the GNote 3 shipping with the same MSM8974 CPU as the Sony Xperia Z1.
The screen is only good in the Gallery App, when playing games IPS and Amoled emits better colour or doesn't look as dull. Of course you won't notice this until you put them side by side. I mean the Xperia Z1 screen is beautiful but Sony should really just use the same colour calibration on the gallery app through out the whole system.
Hello,
I want to buy a new phone for my self,the thing are importent to me is : camera and powerfull device (games,apps,all will run smooth and without any problems in the future),the last thing is a good quality,i mean:the phone i used so far was an iphone 5 which is a good quality phone made from Metalic thingy,oh and the last thing is the battery,i need a good battery also.
*if isn"t the right fourm please replace it*
Do some research and make the decision for yourself. These kinds of threads are pointless, all you're going to get is a bunch of conflicting opinions and then you'll be left to have the decision for yourself anyway.
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@ozal5 timmaaa is right!Read,read,read!And then make your decision!
ozal5 said:
Hello,
I want to buy a new phone for my self,the thing are importent to me is : camera and powerfull device (games,apps,all will run smooth and without any problems in the future),the last thing is a good quality,i mean:the phone i used so far was an iphone 5 which is a good quality phone made from Metalic thingy,oh and the last thing is the battery,i need a good battery also.
*if isn"t the right fourm please replace it*
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From reading reviews and feedback from users it would seem that the Oneplus One would meet your needs. I previously had the S4, moved to the HTC One M8 last month and have been considering the OPO. The M8 is a great phone with arguably the best design/build quality out there at the moment. Things which tempt me are the price, great value for money, the 64GB storage space. My M8 is 16GB which isnt great when you only have access to around 9GB, I have an sd card but you cant install apps directly to it. The fact it runs stock/custom stock android and is so easy to root/unlock/flash etc. The extra RAM and bigger battery are also advantages.
Check the below threads for further relevant discussions and have a search for anything more specific:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/to-t2905794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
Thanks i'll check this out.
But the One is powerfull more then G3 or S5?
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Thanks i'll check this out.
But the One is powerfull more then G3 or S5?
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In terms of processors they all run the Snapdragon 801 with the Adreno 330 GPU, so on paper are evenly matched, with the One also have 3GB of RAM along with the G3 (depending on model) whereas the S5 has 2GB. In the real life scenario you could say that the One has more resources to play with as its running a much leaner version of android (ie not skinned/minus bloat). The power of each device would probably be based on your own usage and expectations of 'power'. Theres plenty of videos on youtube showing side by side comparisons/benchmarks etc that are also worth a look.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/OnePlus-One,Samsung-Galaxy-S5,LG-G3/phones/8603,8202,8347
All run SD801, CPU wise not an issue. OPO has 3GB ram vs 2GB on the others (G3 depending what model you get) OPO & S5 run 1080p screens with the G3 housing a 2K screen etc etc. They are all evenly matched, name your price choose your device.
After using OPO for 2 months, the only 2 phones I see as it's replacement now are:
1) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Better processor, better screen, better camera. Almost the same size. Forget about Galaxy S5 But Touchwiz.... Yuk! Hate it.
2) Sony Xperia Z3. Best camera on Android (only iPhone 6 camera is better), very good battery life. And good user inteface, better than Touchwiz.
So far i can see clearly that the OPO is better,is had the same proccesor and better battery it's look like i'll choose the OPO,because if the OPO better then the S5 isn't reason to pay more (only the IPS67 is a good reason but not enough).
Thanks alot ,
i asked in another fourm im my country and people told me to buy S5 but i trust this fourm more.
gsmyth said:
From reading reviews and feedback from users it would seem that the Oneplus One would meet your needs. I previously had the S4, moved to the HTC One M8 last month and have been considering the OPO. The M8 is a great phone with arguably the best design/build quality out there at the moment. Things which tempt me are the price, great value for money, the 64GB storage space. My M8 is 16GB which isnt great when you only have access to around 9GB, I have an sd card but you cant install apps directly to it. The fact it runs stock/custom stock android and is so easy to root/unlock/flash etc. The extra RAM and bigger battery are also advantages.
Check the below threads for further relevant discussions and have a search for anything more specific:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/to-t2905794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
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The build quality on the M8 isn't that good, speaker grills loose and not aligned, volume button loose, htc letters falling off and it marks really easy although mine was unmarked but all my phones are the same.
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After using OPO for 2 months, the only 2 phones I see as it's replacement now are:
1) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Better processor, better screen, better camera. Almost the same size. Forget about Galaxy S5 But Touchwiz.... Yuk! Hate it.
2) Sony Xperia Z3. Best camera on Android (only iPhone 6 camera is better), very good battery life. And good user inteface, better than Touchwiz.
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Iphone 6 camera better than Xperia Z2/3 lol
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Iphone 6 camera better than Xperia Z2/3 lol
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...peria-Z3-LG-G3-Galaxy-S5-Galaxy-Note-3_id3822
You have something to say? I haven't read ANY review where Xperia Z3 camera was concluded to be better than iPhone's camera. Or you're just Apple hater?
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...peria-Z3-LG-G3-Galaxy-S5-Galaxy-Note-3_id3822
You have something to say? I haven't read ANY review where Xperia Z3 camera was concluded to be better than iPhone's camera. Or you're just Apple hater?
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Funny, you say that the Z3 is the best android phone camera and then you link a video that shows that it's anything but the best android camera, so which is it?
The reason for my post quoting you was because you said that the iPhone 6 camera was better than the Z3 camera but that is like saying that a Mercedes F1 car is better than a McLaren F1 car, yes it is but it is not like it had a lot to be better than.
I wonder why they didn't have a Nokia in that comparison in that test.
Anyway thanks for the laugh.
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Funny, you say that the Z3 is the best android phone camera and then you link a video that shows that it's anything but the best android camera, so which is it?
The reason for my post quoting you was because you said that the iPhone 6 camera was better than the Z3 camera but that is like saying that a Mercedes F1 car is better than a McLaren F1 car, yes it is but it is not like it had a lot to be better than.
I wonder why they didn't have a Nokia in that comparison in that test.
Anyway thanks for the laugh.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Z2/Z3 camera. I owned Z2 for 2 months, and it's camera was superb! What I mean is - OPO's camera produces VERY mediocre photos. For example - this shot was taken on Z2 without any editing.
http://s010.radikal.ru/i312/1410/42/a43d189886f7.jpg
OPO's camera doesn't produce such good colours (at least on CM ROM, I haven't tried ColorOS). So it's kinda stupid to recommend someone OPO, if he needs good camera. Xperia Z2/Z3 suit his needs much better, and Z2 is quite cheap now, because it's not flagship anymore.
I'd probably get the note 4 if not for AT&T locking it down. Same with Verizon.
One plus is excellent though I'm quite happy with it.
I had the galaxy s5. I was hoping to put a gpe rom on it, but it never came out. I got really frustrated by touchwiz and the lag it caused. I really liked the camera and screen of the s5, but decided to give it to my sister and ordered the opo. I am still very happy with my choice. The only thing that I miss is the lte. Good luck making a decision.
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So far i can see clearly that the OPO is better,is had the same proccesor and better battery it's look like i'll choose the OPO,because if the OPO better then the S5 isn't reason to pay more (only the IPS67 is a good reason but not enough).
Thanks alot ,
i asked in another fourm im my country and people told me to buy S5 but i trust this fourm more.
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The OPO is cheaper and has more RAM, thats it. Oh and tons of bugs and a yellow band at the bottom of the display and no customer service.
If you have the money, get anything else.
Hi I have the Z2 tablet and love it, have a samsung s3 and... Meh
Im thinking of buying then z3 but it seems by looking through the threads on this forum that people are having issues. A big thing for me is music, so I figure thats one plus for the Z3 ( correct me if im wrong) , I figure the battery life then as an added extra as if im using the phone for music, I use google play music, so im assuming ( which I wouldnt be surprised from sony) that music quality ( through headphones) is the same in the walkman app as it would be through the play music app.
Should I just suck up the s3 for another while and wait for Z4 ( don't want to create a big argument - I noticed that tends to happen here )
Thanks for you help
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A big thing for me is music
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I only had my phone for a couple of days but I can confirm that the audio sounded excellent. I'm not an audiophile - a casual listener with Bose headphones - I listened to classical (Erik Satie), pop (Rihanna), and rock (Duologue) and they all sounded better than on my iPhone 5. I couldn't discern a difference between the Walkman app and the Google app.
I don't know if this is your thread but perhaps the audiophiles can better answer your question:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/737108/sony-xperia-z3-audio-quality
I will not mention anything on the battery life or camera. Plenty of posts for you to see.
Just get it, you won't be disappointed.
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I had a S3 a coupe years ago so I know the Z3 will be a huge upgrade. Camera, speed, build quality, external speakers, etc. I'd be very surprised if you don't like the Z3 over the S3.
As far as people complaining in threads. No phone is perfect. You may or may not get a defective phone. It's just luck. If you happen to be unlucky just exchange it.
I went from my Galaxy S3 to my Z3v (Verizon variant since I've been with them) and I don't regret a thing. I've been waiting for the Xperia to re-land on Verizon and besides missing root (until it happens), it's everything great.
Audio is also great on my end since they use the same tech as the Z3 anyway.
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meteor999 said:
Hi I have the Z2 tablet and love it, have a samsung s3 and... Meh
Im thinking of buying then z3 but it seems by looking through the threads on this forum that people are having issues. A big thing for me is music, so I figure thats one plus for the Z3 ( correct me if im wrong) , I figure the battery life then as an added extra as if im using the phone for music, I use google play music, so im assuming ( which I wouldnt be surprised from sony) that music quality ( through headphones) is the same in the walkman app as it would be through the play music app.
Should I just suck up the s3 for another while and wait for Z4 ( don't want to create a big argument - I noticed that tends to happen here )
Thanks for you help
Sent from my ultra light ultra thin Z2 tablet
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I love the Z3, I had to buy a phone as I switched carriers so I could not keep my LG G2 (traded for credit), otherwise I would have waited for the Z4/M9/G4. You cannot go wrong with the Z3 its the best device of the year, but the Z4 will be a much bigger change with S810 64bit cpu, better camera module etc. That is if you can wait till Feb/Mar.
Thanks all, im going to flash lollipod on the s3, and see how far it gets me. I will prob wait until the z4, although the z3 is good, I think 64bit may be a real game changer for graphics. The only worry I would have with the z4 is battery life if it has the supposed octa core processor.
Technically even though S810 is octa core it transitions between the low power and high power cpu's based on usage requirements, it will never use more than 4 cores. (4 High Power / 4 Low Power)
I went from a Galaxy S3 to the Z3 as well and what can I say? Apparently, cell phones have evolved quite a bit in a couple of years?! My Z3 is pure awesomeness, I haven't had a single problem with it so far. No crashes, no hardware failure, no scratchmarks etc. I'ts actually perfect so far, after two months of use.
If you wait for the Z4, then beware that Sony may release the z5 shortly after by another 6 months. So waiting will always produce a better model round the corner, and then you will have to choose between the htc m9, the s6, g4 etc. Unless Sony's changed their cycle strategy. The Z4 will have a newer more powerful processor but bear in mind that the Z4 is rumored to bring a QFHD display and some OEM's weren't able to push that many pixels efficiently like the G3. Also, Sony is good at battery life but they themselves are quoted to say that the higher number of pixels can affect battery life.
In short, I am most impressed with the Z3 and VERY satisfied with its performance. I've not been happier since the old Galaxy S2. The Z3 has a very bright display when it needs to be and very dark display when in the dark, excellent loudspeakers just short of Boomsound quality, SUPERB physical design/profile and premium feel, waterproof, brilliant battery life. The Z3 really is the best phone of 2014. The camera is very good but could be improved. Sony have improved the Z2 camera via FW updates so it's still early days for the Z3. I'm a former OG HTC Desire owner, a Galaxy S1 owner, an S2 as well, then the HTC One X, then the Nexus 4, then the LG G2 and now the Z3. I thoroughly recommend the Z3. Audio via headphones is VERY good, as good as my partner's iP6+ albeit a hair quieter but loud enough.
I think its worth the wait the S810 is an ARMv8 architecture which is major change and bigger jump.
From a developer/programmers perspective, I think it sounds exciting with a new CPU architecture. Although as a user I doubt you will notice much difference in anything but the most demanding apps. The Z3 is already as snappy as anything! Also, as subhani mentioned, a lower pixel count will consume less power. Full HD on that screen is enough to not distinguish individual pixels without a magnifying glass.
Had the phone for a week , and so far .... Its as fast grease lightning !! I have a Sony smart TV and so its a perfect couple ! Can send what ever to the screen ! Been playing games on the TV ,no lag ,who needs a games console ! And the battery I've charged it twice .... Wifi on all the time so far so good !!
I love my z3! Best android phone ive had yet. Previous was lg g2, htc m8, galaxy s5, iphone 6, z3 is best all around imo.
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I love my z3! Best android phone ive had yet. Previous was lg g2, htc m8, galaxy s5, iphone 6, z3 is best all around imo.
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Same here but also had the LG G3 (great except for battery life) ,the Z3 is a great phone.
I just upgrade my Z2 to a Z3.. and the z3 is just awesome.. is so beautiful and slim.. feels great in hands, and yeah, sounds better with headphone or speakers (I have the Sony NC headphone and a Creative Headset both sound great with the z3) and the battery life is the same or even better than the z2 (1,5 to 2,5 days of use).. The only problem I have is no root yet (with Locked Bootloader).. So, yeah.. buy it! is pretty much the perfect phone right now.. (for me at least :good
radicans said:
From a developer/programmers perspective, I think it sounds exciting with a new CPU architecture. Although as a user I doubt you will notice much difference in anything but the most demanding apps. The Z3 is already as snappy as anything! Also, as subhani mentioned, a lower pixel count will consume less power. Full HD on that screen is enough to not distinguish individual pixels without a magnifying glass.
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Unlike going from a Z/Z1 to a Z3, (which use "similar" SOCs) the Z4s Cortex A57 (ARMv8) will be ~40% faster and the Adreno 430 GPU will be much more powerful, and there are improvements in power efficiency. All that adds up to a lot.
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Unlike going from a Z/Z1 to a Z3, (which use "similar" SOCs) the Z4s Cortex A57 (ARMv8) will be ~40% faster and the Adreno 420 GPU will be much more powerful, and there are improvements in power efficiency. All that adds up to a lot.
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No doubt! My point was just that choosing between really fast (Z3) and super fast (Z4) is probably not something that many people will notice when doing regular day to day tasks. But if they manage to provide all that computing power and keep the power consumption at a similar level, that's impressive! If I hadn't bought a Z3 already, I'd probably wait for the Z4. But I'm a programmer and maybe not a representative user
What's the Adreno 420 like compared to the 330? I'm planning on doing some OpenCL projects, so quite curious what I'm going to miss
Adreno 430 sorry, the 420 is in the Nexus 6. They are more than doubling the ALUs from 128 (A330) to 288 (A430), also based on 20nm vs 28nm. They are finally adding H265 encode and 2x32 Bit LPDDR4 at 1600MHz.