When in low brightness the blacks get jelly like stretching effect when in motion. I notice this all the time, with text and whatever. Most noticeable if a picture has something dark surrounded by bright area, scroll up and down and see the block stretch like rubber. What's up with that and why haven't I seen it mentioned in any review.. Very obvious artifact.
Keisarinn said:
When in low brightness the blacks get jelly like stretching effect when in motion. I notice this all the time, with text and whatever. Most noticeable if a picture has something dark surrounded by bright area, scroll up and down and see the block stretch like rubber. What's up with that and why haven't I seen it mentioned in any review.. Very obvious artifact.
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I have this same problem. Anyone have any idea what it can be?
You're seeing the pixels turn on and off as they turn off for black. All amoleds do it. Usually more noticeable when the brightness is lowered and it is white on black.
There is no pure black color. Black pixels aren't off. Later I will try make some photos to show this. I don't have this in S5, where black and gray colors are perfect and looks like in every amoled LCD's should be.
on older devices(saw this with the note 2) black would be near-black(leaving a slight grey/greenish glow only visible in complete darkness)
with the note 4(don't know about S4/5 and note 3) they decided to enable "true" black, allowing the pixels to turn off completely when displaying black.
switching on/off takes a tiny bit longer than changing intensity, which causes visible ghosting.
this is only noticeable in very specific circumstances, so most people never see it happen.
Black color looks it like with sephia filter. I don't know what it is. I changed ROM-s and kernels, still this same. On S5 black color is beautiful, Note 4 looks terible, especially in dark rooms. See atachments.
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I noticed that when I turn my brightness down my phone gets a purplish tint but it goes away as the brightness goes up. Is this because its special type of LED screen or the over saturation of colors?
can you post some pics please?
Normal for AMOLED screens. They tend to get a red tinge to them when they dim down.
staulkor said:
Normal for AMOLED screens. They tend to get a red tinge to them when they dim down.
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Alright I guess the technology isn't perfect yet definently not a deal breaker
I was wondering why the light grey look pink in gmail app
I see it as well. A little annoying, but not a giant problem. The blazing speed of the phone kinda makes up for it.
does anybody of you also noticed this thing: http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-tech-issues-bug-reports/1199-amoled-display-issue.html ???
eug89 said:
does anybody of you also noticed this thing: http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-tech-issues-bug-reports/1199-amoled-display-issue.html ???
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I did notice this as well. Some of the red pixels on the edges of text seemed to have drifted a little too far from the body of the glyph. I actually thought the same thing as this poster - sounds like they need to tweak their "subpixel LCD text" algorithms to match the different layout of the OLED screen.
I'd add to his analysis that subpixel LCD text algorithms typicall employee adjustments for the non-linear response of the pixels (steps of brightness near the dim end of the scale are not the same perceived size as steps of brightness near the bright end of the scale) and OLED may not only have different non-linear response, but it may have different response in each of its R, G, and B pixel elements...
This all should be tweakable in software and is bound to be improved as OLED screens gain popularity.
As seen by the NoLED app over in the dev section, and in a few other places on the net, people are finding that when they display a black image on their amoled/samoled screens in a dark room there is still light emitted by the display. it is not truly black
I would like to know why!
One thing i hear is about image compression and signal noise causing the pixels to not display #000000 black and instead a variant of black/grey causing the pixel to become lit.
This problem is not an issue during the day, i can't tell the difference when my screen is displaying black or off. but what it does effect is battery life.
If the screen isn't powering down its pixels then it is not saving anywhere near as much power as it could do
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How happy are you with your display?
I knew about the pentile problem before buying, however i am not dissatisfied with the display at all. Infact if i did not read up about it i would not have realised there was anything different with the screen.
Text is clear and sharp, images are vibrant, and colours seem true with no issue of pink problems like the desire
looool, look at any lcd screen(tv whatsoever) and you don't have true black, because the backlight is on. Only the best LED LCD screens in TV world have FULL LED backlight that can dim the leds from parts of the screen that are fully black in the processed image.
take care
yup, if you take apart your LCD watch, phone, laptop or monitor
you'll see 2 layers, first layer the LCD/TFT/AMOLED/SAMOLED/etc whatever new technology screen you can think of name it here.
then the bottom layer is pretty much like a light bulb/white led/ccfl or whatever you want to call it to light up the first portion of the screen.
most devices you can control the 2 separate pieces separately via "screen" and "back light"
you'll noticed that usually on software options what specifically lets you control both indedpendly.
Eh.. Yes But the SGS hade OLED screen. So it should be able to turn pixels completly off. My guess is that each led has some very small current applied to it possibly to speed up response off screen.
But it come close to true blacks..
EDIT
OLED screen has NO backlight... Each pixel is an tiny led...
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thanks for the heads up, that's good to know
i've yet to take apart a new SGS to figure out how the AMOLED displays works
You guys need educating on displays lol
oled screens have no backlight, thus no backlight bleed.
That means that this is a software issue, unless the screen not powering down completely is intentional
Software issue and nothing more.
Open up the calculator, drag down the numpad, hide the 2 stripes (status bar and numpad drag bar) in the top and bottom of the screen, and tell me if you see any lighting.
There's absolutely nothing.
there is still light emitted. cover up the top and bottom bar with your hands, go into a completely dark room then look into the center of the screen.
There is a uniform glow, just like when looking at a black image in the gallery or browser
It's actually more noticeable if you look AWAY. The peripheral area of your retina will be able to pick up a very feeble amount of light. Feeble, sure, but it's there nonetheless.
seriously, guys?
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seriously, guys?
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The problem is that the way it is supposed to work is that if you display black, the screen shouldn't use any energy at all but it is and people can see it and so is using precious battery charge.
The issue is... that apps like noled which were going to display a red dot on the screen to let people know if they had mail waiting or whatever wouldnt use much power at all because they were displaying mainly a black screen but it isnt actually black and still using light so still chews through the power..
hope that made sense.. but that is why people are interested in it..
Ok, I missed the battery part, sorry If so, it is indeed an annoyance...
I thought people were seriously complaining about image quality.
I have the Samsung wave and it uses the same screen technology and I can tell that it does not have true blacks pixels are still lit, I can easily tell that its on and totally off there is a very faint trace amount of light produced..
Since I first got this device and turned it on I have been impressed with the display. I am kind of partial to AMOLED diplays and am, thus, a bit biased. What surprised me was that it "appeared" sharper than the display on the Nexus One. Considering it is slightly larger and at the same resolution I just assumed that it wasn't using the PenTile arrangement - yet it appears that it does in fact use the same subpixel arrangement as the screen on the Nexus One. My point is... now I've forgotten my point. Basically that I am more than satisfied with this display.
As far as the black issue is concerned I have no idea. There must be some reason considering that was one of the supposed strengths of this technology (i.e. true blacks and lower power consumption).
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wait so why would you display an image if you want to save battery?
really
How many of you have measured how much power is being used up when the display is displaying a true black image(measured with multimeter, or other measuring device)
How many of you have made sure that the glow is not caused by a residual charge in the display?
How many of you know how much time it takes for the "glow" to leave an OLED panel when power is not being applied?
just some food for thought
The thing is, amoled screens were advertised as having true blacks and having the pixels off when displaying black. this is clearly not the case
It's not an issue with the technology. The screen doesn't have a back lighting panel, so i think it's more of a problem of what shade is default defined as "black" in the system, or something with any current running through the screen.
Well considering the screen doesn't turn off when displaying a 100% black bitmap image, its safe to say that the say that the pixels NEVER turn themselves off during use when displaying black
Could be the screen isn't calibrated properly, or they lied to us about the tech(wouldn't be the first time).
While its not "true black" it is defenently beyond what any backlit screentype can do regarding blacks.
Except perhaps for the retina display forged by god himself
But I agree that if Samsung states True black then it should be able to do that.
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My wife has a note 3, and her blacks are so much blacker than mine. What's the reason behind that? The most noticeable is in the settings, but I think that's actually do to the s5's settings menu being like a deep gray versus an actual black.
Her screen just appears so much more vibrant and rich, and it seems to be more than just from the matte screen protector compared to her clear one. Any thoughts?
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My wife has a note 3, and her blacks are so much blacker than mine. What's the reason behind that? The most noticeable is in the settings, but I think that's actually do to the s5's settings menu being like a deep gray versus an actual black.
Her screen just appears so much more vibrant and rich, and it seems to be more than just from the matte screen protector compared to her clear one. Any thoughts?
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A lot has to do with the matte protector I bet. I wouldn't use one again, had one on my N4 for a while and it really distorted colors.
The rest could be the screen mode, or the screen quality variance. Dunno, to me the S5's screen is technically superior and subjectively much better compared to the Note 3 I have seen.
Put side by side (yes, I own both.), the colours on the S5 are more saturated, but the Note 3 has a better contrast ratio.. (Meaning the blacks are blacker.) Both are set to Dynamic for this. (I usually keep the S5 at Natural because I can't stand the ghastly shade of green/blue used in Touchwiz.)
In theory it shouldn't make a difference, as it's AMOLED. Black means the LED is off, and off = off. For the most part it's the screen protector (As these things are slightly white), the colour setting and the screen brightness level.
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Put side by side (yes, I own both.), the colours on the S5 are more saturated, but the Note 3 has a better contrast ratio.. (Meaning the blacks are blacker.) Both are set to Dynamic for this. (I usually keep the S5 at Natural because I can't stand the ghastly shade of green/blue used in Touchwiz.)
In theory it shouldn't make a difference, as it's AMOLED. Black means the LED is off, and off = off. For the most part it's the screen protector (As these things are slightly white), the colour setting and the screen brightness level.
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How would I change the color settings then? I have a glass screen protector coming in a week or so, so we'll see if it's just the screen. I'll set the brightness settings the same. It just feels like it's more than that. Definitely doesn't feel like it turns the led off when it should be black.
Thanks.
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How would I change the color settings then? I have a glass screen protector coming in a week or so, so we'll see if it's just the screen. I'll set the brightness settings the same. It just feels like it's more than that. Definitely doesn't feel like it turns the led off when it should be black.
Thanks.
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Settings --> Device --> Display --> Screen mode.
Yo.
I'm still wondering if my S5 screens is as good as it's supposed to be. I have 2 major concerns, screen uniformity and purple trails.
I come from an ancient S1, and nothing of this happened. I have attached a single color pic that shows clearly how screen have a soft gradient from top to bottom on my phone. When I put basic colors (RGBYWB from test modes or apps) nothing of this is apparent at all, and screen looks gorgeus, but this color and some other grays show what I'm talking about. I would be grateful if you load the pic in full screen mode and tell your impressions. Offscreen shots would be welcome too.
Also, about the purple trails when moving on screen pitch blacks, it affects every screen or only some unfortunate ones? S1 never show anything similar. Max bright reduces it, but nor completly.
Greetings.
Not sure if it's visible but I'm fairly certain that I can spot this. Check the attached gif. Notice how the lower three thumbnails lag while scrolling . This thing is slowly making me insane.
Any suggestions? Phone is pure stock, no modifications, miui 11 global 11.0.1.
yes, i can also spot wavy motion when using Instagram in dark mode with brightness low.
the edges of images give some black wavy shades on scrolling same occurs when we use in direct sunlight color are too sharp on full brightness under the sun
I think you speak about the big AMOLED weakness, that's "normal" and can't be fixed...
It's normal for AMOLED displays and VA Lcd displays.
when its complete black pixels turn off and it takes a while for them to turn on again and show the new color
less visible in higher brighnesses
Yeah i have this problem any solution to fix?
Its very simple. Because we have an OLED display the individual pixels can and will turn off to display a true black. But when that black pixel that was turned off needs to change color to for example green, the pixel will have to turn back on again. And this takes a few miliseconds (probably more than 15ms, but thats just my opinion) thats why you see ghosting/trail. We cant do anything about this. Better have true blacks then less ghosting and greyish blacks on other panels like LCD.