[Q] note 4 lollipop - Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I am waiting for the lollipop update like many others.
Can i install the german firmware?? Im in uk... on O2 contract.. its the same model sm n910f
Aldo has sny one installed the camera mod available if you root.

yogihoy said:
I am waiting for the lollipop update like many others.
Can i install the german firmware?? Im in uk... on O2 contract.. its the same model sm n910f
Aldo has sny one installed the camera mod available if you root.
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Yes you can install the german version no hassle there at all. I have it for couple of days... ireland

I've tried the German Lollipop a few times now and am at this moment going back to kitkat. Mainly because Facebook crashes a lot with Lollipop. Seems not to like uploading multiple photos, and earlier it stopped allowing me to load it full stop.
I am pretty sure the UK release will be much better.
You also lose the ability to properly use silent mode within lollipop also, and some are encountering apps being killed randomly and wifi issues.

Thank you. It seems a lot of people carent liking lollipop updates. Shasme because vi have nexcus 9 and iut great on that. Also I upgraded my nexcus 5 with lollipop..it was great bon that too...

No news about other note 4 variants and countries getting lollipop update? Besides Poland and Germany.
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bat0nas said:
No news about other note 4 variants and countries getting lollipop update? Besides Poland and Germany.
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[Q] Lollipop

Hello,
im sorry if im doing this wrong but its my first time. I live in KSA and Bought my Samsung Galaxy S5 here, And i have been waiting for a very VERY long time for the lollipop update which seems like it will never come here (sammobiles doesn't even have 4.4.4 for KSA).
So i just wanna know if i were to put a firmware of another country which has 5.0, will it cause any major problems ?? :cyclops: please help!
Burooj said:
Hello,
im sorry if im doing this wrong but its my first time. I live in KSA and Bought my Samsung Galaxy S5 here, And i have been waiting for a very VERY long time for the lollipop update which seems like it will never come here (sammobiles doesn't even have 4.4.4 for KSA).
So i just wanna know if i were to put a firmware of another country which has 5.0, will it cause any major problems ?? :cyclops: please help!
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not a single problem if you use the same area code releases like "XXU*****" ... i live in egypt and i use on all my phone firmwares of russia ... mainly because they are the ones which get the updates first
rrgrrg said:
not a single problem if you use the same area code releases like "XXU*****" ... i live in egypt and i use on all my phone firmwares of russia ... mainly because they are the ones which get the updates first
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Wait please explain...what do u mean by same area code????????
rrgrrg said:
not a single problem if you use the same area code releases like "xxu*****" ... I live in egypt and i use on all my phone firmwares of russia ... Mainly because they are the ones which get the updates first
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pleasse reply!!!
I already have lollipop and it's better if you wait for the 5.1 (I'm waiting for it :/ ), the 5.0 have a lot of problems.
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Burooj said:
pleasse reply!!!
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For the G900F, the firmware is G900FXXU1BOC7
When looking for firmware that will work with your model S5, make sure the model number is the start of the firmware version

Advice on flashing to official (but non-telco) ROM

About to get a phone on contract with a major telco in Australia...
In theory, it's fine* to flash to another country/regional ROM that isn't telco_branded, so long as it's an official Samsung ROM, right?
Hoping to flash to an official Sammy ROM for a country/region that usually gets major Android updates far quicker than Australia or Australian telcos.
Thank-you.
*by "fine", I mean it won't trip Knox
Anyone? TY.
jalyst said:
Anyone? TY.
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If you phone is not carrier branded(N910F or N910C) you are fine with flashing a ROM from Samsung...it won't trip KNOX.
Also, wrong section...
Ashatar said:
If you phone is not carrier branded(N910F or N910C) you are fine with flashing a ROM from Samsung...it won't trip KNOX.
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Wait, but mine will be telco_branded (buying on contract), are you claiming it's absolutely not possible then?
Even if I'm flashing from an official Sammy ROM to another official Sammy ROM, how so?
jalyst said:
Wait, but mine will be telco_branded (buying on contract), are you claiming it's absolutely not possible then?
Even if I'm flashing from an official Sammy ROM to another official Sammy ROM, how so?
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I was on Telstra 4.4.4 then flashed to the Australian 5.0 on Sammy and knox tripped. There isn't Telstra 5.0 yet so I used the Australian one. I'm on N915G but the phone is a company phone so I'm not overly stressed on tripping knox. I think flashing a Telstra 5.0 on Sammy when available or OTA update you might be OK. Anyway went back to 4.4.4 I was missing Xposed to much among other things. Xposed for lollipop didn't play nice for me.
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Damn it. Someone told me that; so long as you're flashing to an official Sammy ROM, it shouldn't trip.
What if I flashed to country/region other than Australia, & what if I went for a 4.x ROM instead of 5.x?
I don't care about root, xposed, & all that just yet, happy to be on a 4.x ROM...
Want to be on a stock one though not branded, & ideally one for a region/country that gets updates sooner & more regularly/reliably.
jalyst said:
Damn it. Someone told me that; so long as you're flashing to an official Sammy ROM, it shouldn't trip.
What if I flashed to country/region other than Australia, & what if I went for a 4.x ROM instead of 5.x?
I don't care about root, xposed, & all that just yet, happy to be on a 4.x ROM...
Want to be on a stock one though not branded, & ideally one for a region/country that gets updates sooner & more regularly/reliably.
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Can't speak to that can only speak to my experience sorry. But l suspect anything outside Telstra will trip knox. They have really locked these suckers down. I think some Devs have gotten around it but not for my devise N915G......yet.
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Can anyone else help/advise on this? Thank-you.
jalyst said:
Can anyone else help/advise on this? Thank-you.
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Not sure how the other poster had that happen (on their Note Edge I assume?) but anyway, you can't flash another region's Note 4 firmware like the good old days.
Samsung, for whatever reason, has made 20i-sh variants of the Note 4 and Australia has the N910G model. This G model is also used by India, Sri Lanka and Singapore (but Singapore has a different boot setup or kernel for some reason).
Your best bet is to flash XSA firmware which is Australian unbranded firmware, this will get updates quickest and it will remove any carrier bloat. Flashing this in Odin will not trip Knox, I've flashed it several times and even loaded the Indian firmware once and there were no issues but I've gone back o XSA. As soon as unbranded units start receiving the Lollipop OTA (reckon maybe another 6 monts? Sigh) you'll get it too instead of waiting for Telstra to delay it another 2-3 months.
Here's the link to it on Sammobile: http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/download/39199/N910GDTU1ANK3_N910GXSA1ANK3_XSA/
Thanks mate,
So you reckon none of the countries in our pool*, will get it substantially -or even mildly- sooner than Oz?
If yes, what do you base that on?
Thanks again!
*You sure it's just India/SL/Sg?
jalyst said:
Thanks mate,
So you reckon none of the countries in our pool*, will get it substantially -or even mildly- sooner than Oz?
If yes, what do you base that on?
Thanks again!
*You sure it's just India/SL/Sg?
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Doubt it! There's only been one real update in nearly 6 months and that was just after release date...i think India got it slightly earlier? Can't really recall! If you check sammobile.com and look at firmware for N910G you can see that these are the only countries. Any updates after November 2014 are carrier specific ones, but nothing for the unbranded models so it's hard to work out a trend of which country gets the updates earliest.
Don't even bother with Singapore because of the difference in their hardware, it's either India or Australia you have to pick from. And if you flash the Indian firmware you'll get charged for a stupid international Sms message to India when you first boot that it doesn't warn you about.
I asked the same question over at Sammobile and indications are that it won't trip Knox by flashing the Indian variant on an Australian phone. I haven't tried it myself though. But quite close to taking the plunge
tryfound said:
Samsung, for whatever reason, has made 20i-sh variants of the Note 4 and Australia has the N910G model. This G model is also used by India, Sri Lanka and Singapore (but Singapore has a different boot setup or kernel for some reason). Your best bet is to flash XSA firmware which is Australian unbranded firmware, this will get updates quickest and it will remove any carrier bloat. Flashing this in Odin will not trip Knox, I've flashed it several times and even loaded the Indian firmware once and there were no issues but I've gone back o XSA. As soon as unbranded units start receiving the Lollipop OTA (reckon maybe another 6 monts? Sigh) you'll get it too instead of waiting for Telstra to delay it another 2-3 months.
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So it looks like the LP OTA came out much sooner that you were lamenting!?!
Just in time for me, as I only got my Note4 last Wednesday evening
Still debating though, whether or not to go for one of the other variants listed here:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910G/
Love to know if any of them have a track-record of getting it several wks (or more) sooner than Oz.*
Finally....
What do I need to proceed, just Odin & then away we go? Is it available for OSX , or is it Windows only?
I have access to a Windows env, so no "biggy" either way...
*I don't care about a 1 off international SMS charge, I'll also steer clear of Singapore ofc
I've since determined that yes, Odin is all I need, I think, & it's def. Windows-only, I think.
Main thing holding me up now, is this...
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2382726&p=40#r786
Several more posts back n forth after that one.
After all that's done, I'll be good to go with installing Odin & Kies in my Win10 VM, & then proceeding with the flashing.
But only after I've decided that I def. want to go for the Aussie ROM, or one of the others (excluding Singapore).
jalyst said:
So it looks like the LP OTA came out much sooner that you were lamenting!?!
Just in time for me, as I only got my Note4 last Wednesday evening
Still debating though, whether or not to go for one of the other variants listed here:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910G/
Love to know if any of them have a track-record of getting it several wks (or more) sooner than Oz.*
Finally....
What do I need to proceed, just Odin & then away we go? Is it available for OSX , or is it Windows only?
I have access to a Windows env, so no "biggy" either way...
*I don't care about a 1 off international SMS charge, I'll also steer clear of Singapore ofc
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It was still about a month earlier! But not as bad as I was predicting You'll need Windows, I've never had luck on my macbook using variants of Odin designed for Mac, it's just too much hassle IMO.
You don't have many variants to pick from, India got the only two main updates that have been released for the 910G model 2 out of 2 times quicker than AU or Singapore so if you want the quickest updates and also want your gallery pics to auto-rotate along with being able to share to an email client from an image in the gallery then you'll be happy with the Indian ROM.
Just need to download the firmware, run Odin, turn off phone then hold Vol Down + Power until it loads 'Download Mode'. Press Vol Up to continue, plug your phone into PC, Odin will detect the phone (which you can tell if you see a port number appear) then click on the 'AP' button and locate the unzipped firmware file and flash. Takes a few minutes.
What about Sri-lanka, or that "Unknown" variant?
Hmm that last paragraph, little too vague for my liking, you aware for any detailed step-by-step tutes?
Thank-you!
Other notes:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/whim/?action=read&m=4421880
jalyst said:
What about Sri-lanka, or that "Unknown" variant?
Hmm that last paragraph, little too vague for my liking, you aware for any detailed step-by-step tutes?
Thank-you!
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Wouldn't bother with them! Actually, the steps are better explained on Sammobile under the download link. So this would be your preferred firmware along with better instructions.
They're not really detailed because it's a lot easier than it sounds, but if you're worried might be better to watch a youtube video first to get a visual i.e, https://youtu.be/Ulz-1UYzHBA
That vid shows it being done for the S4 but Odin is for most samsung phones so the steps are the same.
Lol mate I live in australia and you can flash any rom from any country as long as its samsung offical. I have got samsungs from all carriers and I flash tje australian open to all carriers immediately. You will be fine as long as its OFFICAL SAMSUNG FIRMWARE
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shotgun1976 said:
Lol mate I live in australia and you can flash any rom from any country as long as its samsung offical. I have got samsungs from all carriers and I flash tje australian open to all carriers immediately. You will be fine as long as its OFFICAL SAMSUNG FIRMWARE
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Free mobile app
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I think tryfound has a pretty good idea of what he's talking about, no need to "LOL".
He's from Oz too, a regular at WP (Whirlpool) no less...
Read all the posts again. You've missed one of the main points being made;
Hint: it's nothing to do with not being able to flash some CV's that are official Samsung fw.

[Q] Is safe to get N910F ROM on N910G ?

I have been waiting for 5.0 update for months, and I don't even understand why samsung releases so many version of Note 4.
Now, there are so many 5.0/5.01 ROMs for N910F, but none for N910G, seems it will take forever.
I'm sooooooo regret that I got this phone from local phone campany, I should got it from online shop to get a popluar version.
It looks like the N910G version is only for the Australian market. And Samsung just forgets it.
Tim said:
I have been waiting for 5.0 update for months, and I don't even understand why samsung releases so many version of Note 4.
Now, there are so many 5.0/5.01 ROMs for N910F, but none for N910G, seems it will take forever.
I'm sooooooo regret that I got this phone from local phone campany, I should got it from online shop to get a popluar version.
It looks like the N910G version is only for the Australian market. And Samsung just forgets it.
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hey there~
I'm not so sure whether it will work
because Im trying to put SM-N910S firmware onto SM-N910L device
and it hasnt been working for 4 moths...
plz let me know if yours worked

Nougat released for N920G Indian Note 5 variant

just checked my note 5 n920g and got an update worth 1030.22 MB which mentions OS upgrade- Android 7.0 Nougat [Firmware N920G]
https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/download/126744/N920GDDU3CQC7_N920GODD3CQC7_INS/
thanks to sammobile
Yup even I got it
Hello, good evening, does anyone have a link for download or just an ota?
sorry my bad english
The envy is real! Verizon user here!
Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
superchizo said:
Hello, good evening, does anyone have a link for download or just an ota?
sorry my bad english
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this one https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/download/126744/N920GDDU3CQC7_N920GODD3CQC7_INS/
superchizo said:
Hello, good evening, does anyone have a link for download or just an ota?
sorry my bad english
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You can find and download odin flashable tar.md5 7.0 For Sm-N920G INS on sammobile.com/firmware
https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/download/126744/N920GDDU3CQC7_N920GODD3CQC7_INS/
Would this work on the N920I? Willing to give it a go... or bad idea? I know India and Australia (I'm Australia - XSA) shared the N910G with the Note 4 so I'm not sure if the N920I and N920G are different? Would flashing (even if it worked) the N920G on an N920I trip Knox?
N920G is the single sim variant right? I'm on N9208 duos...no update yet in India
vaib said:
N920G is the single sim variant right? I'm on N9208 duos...no update yet in India
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yes n920g is the single sim variant for which nougat rolled out
Sad Still waiting for duos update.
aaroncmx said:
Would this work on the N920I? Willing to give it a go... or bad idea? I know India and Australia (I'm Australia - XSA) shared the N910G with the Note 4 so I'm not sure if the N920I and N920G are different? Would flashing (even if it worked) the N920G on an N920I trip Knox?
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They were doing this with marshmallow previously and there's no problem with knox. You end up with the G modem.
Have a read of the posts about it. I assume you would need to flash mm 920g first then update to nougat.
Samsung pay stopped working after factory reset on nougat.
1)So far good battery life with almost constant use on stock nougat 7.0 on SM-N920G india..
2)Maximum 5hrs of SOT with quiet heavy usage like lte data as well as wifi enabled most of the times as per availability ,Music ,Social networking like Facebook,whatsapp,hike,instagram,twitter,pinterest,tumbler and many more i use daily with WQHD display mode instead o FHD which is default as i wanted it to compare with MM
3)Power saver mode is also disabled so just tested it as daily personal usage with Lte Data and Wi-Fi enabled as per availability, Power saver disabled, WQHD display mode with Auto brightness on, Most of the preloaded bloatware disabled as i always prefer clean touchwiz without unnecessary apps
4)Didn't tested heavy graphics game through game mode(As i am not games-lover but a social-freak),performance mode on ,maximum brightness like 70-80%
5)Deep sleep is not tested as i didn't keep it aside to acquire proper deep-sleep but as per moderate battery drain i can say it might been solved as it is for Turkey users
Shriac said:
Samsung pay stopped working after factory reset on nougat.
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yes same here. it says "samsung pay coming to more devices, stay tuned". not disappointed though coz never planned on using it that much. paytm, credit card and BHIM is good enough for me.
I have this N920G variant but im on the USA, can i flash this firmware without a risk?
please I need BL and Modem for nougat 920G
tucking fypo said:
yes same here. it says "samsung pay coming to more devices, stay tuned". not disappointed though coz never planned on using it that much. paytm, credit card and BHIM is good enough for me.
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Just received an 81MB update to samsung pay and its back to normal.
Shriac said:
Just received an 81MB update to samsung pay and its back to normal.
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same here. working fine now.
It's failing when i try to flash my N920G..
I enable USB Debbuging.. opening Odin in administrator.. right things checked in it
Am I forgetting something?
Mine is ZTO (Brazil). And something behind my ear tells me i need some file (PIT?). Can anyone help me?
brunofleitao said:
It's failing when i try to flash my N920G..
I enable USB Debbuging.. opening Odin in administrator.. right things checked in it
Am I forgetting something?
Mine is ZTO (Brazil). And something behind my ear tells me i need some file (PIT?). Can anyone help me?
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Same here. I from argentina. Any ideas?
Thxz
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S7 edge Oreo update pulled?

I never recieved an update to oreo o.t.a having an unlocked s7 edge. I spoke to vodafone who is my network provider who was first to roll out the update and told me the update has been pulled due to there being so many issues with the update. Bit annoyed now as some people seem to have updated with no problems at all and it looks like some of us may not see oreo at all on our devices.
dj.shauny.g said:
I never recieved an update to oreo o.t.a having an unlocked s7 edge. I spoke to vodafone who is my network provider who was first to roll out the update and told me the update has been pulled due to there being so many issues with the update. Bit annoyed now as some people seem to have updated with no problems at all and it looks like some of us may not see oreo at all on our devices.
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This really looks ridiculous for me, to be honest. My dad has A5 2017 and he received Oreo last week. It's really a shame that flagship S7/S7 edge is facing this poor software update policy. I also saw that Note 8 users still haven't received Oreo. On Samsung Turkey webiste Oreo is listed in testing phase and date of release is set for May 18. I wouldn't be surprised if they delay it again.
They test Oreo on cheaper devices to get less complains. And less financial risk if the update goes wrong.
Also, usually the people that buy flagship devices usually "upgrade" selling those to second hand market. That's why the manufacturers don't update those devices so quickly - to push the "high rollers" to buy the new phones that have the newest bells and whistles.
Yes its been pulled back from the server for now. Can't say how much more delay is there for the worldwide rollout, but chances are near the end of may it will start rolling out again alongwith may security patch globally.
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I myself received the android 8.0 update (sm gt935f - brazil) and honestly i regreted that i did the update.
Now im having a lot of lag and drop in internet connection, both wifi and 4g connection. A lot of times my facebook, instagram and whatsapp are too slow. Youtube also lags a lot while trying to watch videos.
Reallt dont know what to do
And now it will be delayed again,shamesung what happen in the world,from april to mid april,then may to mid may,and now what? From may to forever waiting? Sad life
Thats so weird.Ive updated to oreo through ota almost 2 weeks ago and I had zero problems so far.The phone is smoother faster and I really enjoy the samsung experience ui.Battery life seems to be the same aa nougat though
Could i asked where you are based? Also what network carrier are you on?
on many video, s7 oreo make s7 fly like a unicorn, maybe they purposely delay so u might in the end fall into the trap of buying new phone? LOL
dj.shauny.g said:
Could i asked where you are based? Also what network carrier are you on?
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Sure, my s7 edge is unlocked
Im from Romania but I flashed the UK oreo firmware
Flashed BTU Oreo on my S7 Edge (unlocked , Knox 0x0 , Network: MTS - Serbia) , work excellent - fast/smooth , well done Samsung .
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Sure, my s7 edge is unlocked
Im from Romania but I flashed the UK oreo firmware
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I thought you said you recieved your update OTA
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I myself received the android 8.0 update (sm gt935f - brazil) and honestly i regreted that i did the update.
Now im having a lot of lag and drop in internet connection, both wifi and 4g connection. A lot of times my facebook, instagram and whatsapp are too slow. Youtube also lags a lot while trying to watch videos.
Reallt dont know what to do
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Can you please show us the full ROM name? Is it the ZTO ROM (Brazil ROM without carrier) ?
ushiyama said:
Can you please show us the full ROM name? Is it the ZTO ROM (Brazil ROM without carrier) ?
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well i dont know how to check this, but here are 2 screenshots from my software information from my S7 edge:
1 - https://imgur.com/DsVQWF2
2 - https://imgur.com/2MoWpoq
dj.shauny.g said:
Could i asked where you are based? Also what network carrier are you on?
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dj.shauny.g said:
I thought you said you recieved your update OTA
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Yes sorry I flashed 7.0 UK and received oreo ota immediately, oreo official flashable firmware wasnt available at the time
lokoroxbr said:
well i dont know how to check this, but here are 2 screenshots from my software information from my S7 edge:
1 - https://imgur.com/DsVQWF2
2 - https://imgur.com/2MoWpoq
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You said that you receveid that, but the G935FXXU2ERD5 is the Oreo from UK: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-s7-edge/SM-G935F/BTU/download/G935FXXU2ERD5/217550/
You probably had an earlier UK ROM installed to had receveid this new G935FXXU2ERD5.
I thought you were the first to receveid the unbranded Oreo ROM for S7 here in Brazil .
ushiyama said:
You said that you receveid that, but the G935FXXU2ERD5 is the Oreo from UK: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-s7-edge/SM-G935F/BTU/download/G935FXXU2ERD5/217550/
You probably had an earlier UK ROM installed to had receveid this new G935FXXU2ERD5.
I thought you were the first to receveid the unbranded Oreo ROM for S7 here in Brazil .
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Maybe thats why im having those connections drops/lag? Or they are not related?
Thats what i though really odd. Im from BR, my mobile is G935FXXU2ERD5, and when i enter sammobile, there is NO RELEASE of android 8.0 for Brazil. So i guess i received this UK???
lokoroxbr said:
Maybe thats why im having those connections drops/lag? Or they are not related?
Thats what i though really odd. Im from BR, my mobile is G935FXXU2ERD5, and when i enter sammobile, there is NO RELEASE of android 8.0 for Brazil. So i guess i received this UK???
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Yes, you received the ROM from UK.
It is expected that you have no problem, except the VOLTE that is specified region (you have to have a CSC from the region where the phone will be used).
There is no CSC from Brazil on 8.x yet and I do not know if previous CSC are compatible.
ushiyama said:
Yes, you received the ROM from UK.
It is expected that you have no problem, except the VOLTE that is specified region (you have to have a CSC from the region where the phone will be used).
There is no CSC from Brazil on 8.x yet and I do not know if previous CSC are compatible.
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sorry but as im newbie at those android subjects, what is CSC ? And VOLTE ?
ushiyama said:
Yes, you received the ROM from UK.
It is expected that you have no problem, except the VOLTE that is specified region (you have to have a CSC from the region where the phone will be used).
There is no CSC from Brazil on 8.x yet and I do not know if previous CSC are compatible.
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man are you using android 8.0 ? if so, which version

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