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Browsing through Craigslist for an HD2 I came across multiple posts of people that are offering to upgrade the HD2 to winmo 6.5.x or Android for a fee of anywhere from $30-$60 dollars. I don't think it's right for people to be making a profit from something that they did not create. I highly doubt that they are taking part of the fee that they charge and donating it to the developers for their work. I've been flagging their posts in hopes that they get removed and will post information as to how to do install Androids themselves for free. I don't know if it's appropriate to ask you to do the same in your local cities and encourage the public to donate to the developers themselves instead of paying the $30-$60 dollars to someone that has done nothing to earn them except for ripping off the work of someone else. If I was a chef and stayed up for countless hours, missed family time and what not and found out that someone was making money off my work, i'd be livid. Just wanted to make you guys aware of a situation that is unacceptable.
I don't personally feel that by offering to set someones phone up with all the bells and whistles for a fee is wrong.
If a person doesn't feel like reading up and spending time learning how to setup their phone and wants to pay someone to do it for them that is there choice.
Saying that the person setting the phone up for them isn't right because they are collecting a fee to set up "open source" and freely distributed software onto there phone to save someone who is busy and doesn't have the time to spend hours reading on this forum to accomplish this is just silly.
Yeah all us phone junkies who don't have anything else better to do then sit on XDA and read and learn about our (hobby) for hours on end may seem normal to you and I but a HUGE portion of people do not have the time or wish to waste time on this when they can pay someone to have a tricked out phone to show off at the office.
And beyond that..the economy is in the toilet. People are trying to make a buck any possible way they can to feed themselves.
I have been buying HD2's when I see them cheap on craigslist and bringing them home, tricking them out and then reselling them for $100 to $150 profit for awhile now.
it has kicked in some extra income nicely helping buy kids school cloths, wife a nice dinner, etc etc
Just my two cents.
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Browsing through Craigslist for an HD2 I came across multiple posts of people that are offering to upgrade the HD2 to winmo 6.5.x or Android for a fee of anywhere from $30-$60 dollars. I don't think it's right for people to be making a profit from something that they did not create. I highly doubt that they are taking part of the fee that they charge and donating it to the developers for their work. I've been flagging their posts in hopes that they get removed and will post information as to how to do install Androids themselves for free. I don't know if it's appropriate to ask you to do the same in your local cities and encourage the public to donate to the developers themselves instead of paying the $30-$60 dollars to someone that has done nothing to earn them except for ripping off the work of someone else. If I was a chef and stayed up for countless hours, missed family time and what not and found out that someone was making money off my work, i'd be livid. Just wanted to make you guys aware of a situation that is unacceptable.
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+1... Unless these guys are giving donations to the chefs. These guys are also a lot here in Florida. That's why I also give an ad offering a FREE help in putting Android on their HD2.
Very much not trying to start a flame war here because I believe people have the right to do as they please...
But you must have some serious time on your hands to post on craigslist for free services. I need to reinstall my notebook, would you knock that out for me?
Just giving you a hard time.
But on the other issue you brought up. I personally donate to chefs who are elite and really drive some innovation with fixing issues, be it on the vibrant, HD2, nexus, etc. I own and follow six different phones and follow the serious chefs for those products. and kick into the beer fund from time to time. Again just like some who spend there time fixing up a phone for someone who doesn't feel like learning it themselves is really no different then people grabbing roms from here and throwing it on their phones. they technically (could) read, learn and create roms for there own personal use but they rather have someone who is a little smarter do it for them and if they are feeling generous they may kick in a couple bucks as a thank you.
People "don't" have to pay to get their phone tricked out but if they dont feel like spending the time learning it then hell....why not make a buck doing it for them.
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If we lived in a perfect world sure it would be great if they gave part of the profit to the original devs, but we dont and honestly if it get more people into Android is that a bad thing? Most noobs cant even figure out how to put widgets on their screen(had to help a lady do that) so there is no way they can do it themselves even if to us its easy so why not make them happy and the geek can make a little cash. But I agree donating a little to the devs would be the nice thing to do.
All of you have some very valid points. I just found it frustrating that the dev's would see no money from their own product. At the very least what can happen is that the dev's get introduced to other groups of people who in turn may come here, learn to flash their own rom and eventually donate.
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I agree with both perspectives on this issue.
a. Yes, there are sereral ppl providing such services
b. Yes, there are several students openly stating they learned how to do this and will do this for you for pizza money (Like $10-$15, so much for big business ideas)
c. Yes, the ppl doing this should donate to devs periodically.
d. Yes, there are several youtube videos out there showing step by step instructions on how to do the upgrades.
e. Yes, several so called craigslist experts end up bricking customer's phones, leave with buggy setups, incorrect radios, robotic voices :-D
I think its best for devs to continue their hard work for the community that appreciates and benefits from their work is far larger than the select few who go K2. The donations will continue to pour in as the development reaches to immaculate full-featured build solutions. At which point, the devs could consider options for official sales of their roms and android builds.
wow i carnt post about the jig offer because they at xda keep deleting my threads whats that all about then, and whats the differance with donate and selling c**p. Just because i send it via a package they say no selling, what is donate then, selling or donating your services.:
The donation must be voluntary.
Also this should be in the General section.
Well.. In my case:
I provide Voltage Control application for free;
however some volunteers donated money to me voluntarily, making voluntary donation
Donation is like: you can get the product, no matter if you pay or not.
Selling is like: you can get the product, but you MUST pay for it sooner or later.
Hope it is all clear now
Why not "send" ppl a jig only if they "donate"
Fyi this should go in general.
I can understand where you are coming from. You are just trying to help out the community. If you are selling for a profit, then it is taboo in this forum, and go against the very essence of the spirit of Xda.
Ask yourself this, if you are the one, will you allow this?
Just my 2 cents.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Exactly. I agree - and i dont see the same vehemence in people encouraging donations to the devels who work so hard that i see in people protesting against soliciting money.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
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ok thanks for all replys, origionally i sent an email to xda asking them if i could have a sticky and every sale i would give xda 50p donation which also gives them some support. was i wrong.
As 1 of the readers posted, the parts do cost. At the moment it is quite hard to find the micro USB plugs which are costing roughly between £1.50 and £2.50 locally. The resisters work out at 42p each and there are 2 of them. 1 is a 300k and the other is a 1k. Also the heat sinc tubing is costing about 20p per plug. Then there is the solder, the electric, petrol to fetch the items and finally the postage that works at £1.00. Therefore the is no profit, not to mention that my time to make them is FREE.
All I wanted to do is to support XDA with a donation of 50p for every one sold and help people with illness or bad eyesight or just not the ability to recover their phones with out having to send it back to the service department because of a lack of knowledge in electronics.
P.S. Selecting the wrong pins on the plugs when soldering could potentially wreck your phone and I think it is really courageous of people with no electronic experience to try and do this.
Thanks for all you replys and support. Let's hope XDA support this and give people the chance to support XDA with their donation.
i also believe that because this site is very public and people are free to download the roms it all sounds very easy and things can and will go wrong from time to time.
lets have a safety net.
Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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who's moaning, i realy dont mind putting them out somewhere else, just trying to put a safety net in the same place as the roms. But do other people think there should be this option.
and why do you care anyway who am i to you.
Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
ok what i have asked xda is, if people send me the parts with a return envolope i will assemble it and then return it, with donations wecome if you like my work.
this is a free service with no commitment to give me anything.
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Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
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great minds think alike
I've got a better idea.
I don't know how much your selling these for but lets just say £5
I think you should charge £7.50
The £2.50 is a donation to XDA developers to continue running the site, and then you cover your costs.
Personally speaking, I could get these manufactured in bulk for peanuts if you wanted just PM me and i'll do the work - they will be coming from China though...
17 November 2014: Goal has been reached and tablet is now in the hands of RaymanFX. Still feel free to support and donate to help him continue to prepare for his upcoming works. You can see his progress at github.com/raymanfx and
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/q/status:open+exynos,n,z
Under Christopher Hesse
Hello everyone,
I am creating this thread on behalf of @RaymanFX , a recognized developer who needs a device to develop for us.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3463426
He is looking to develop for the P600, WiFi only model and is looking to make AOSP/CM roms and kernels for us.
Here is a previous thread of his: http://forum.xda-developers.com/find-7/orig-development/rom-teameos-revival-nightlies-t2826587
And here is a list of previous threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=319162976
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most of you probably don't know me since I did not develop for Samsung devices for quite some time now.
I would be interested in aiding the Exynos 5420 development scene (in particular on the Galaxy Note 10.1) and prepare a custom Android distribution for it (Team EOS 5.0 - Lollipop).
I can get all the required drivers and binaries I need for development, since most of it is open source luckily.
And the Nexus 10 (manta) can still be used as reference for many things.
All I need is a development device to debug on.
It is particularly important that this is the Galaxy Note 10.1 EXYNOS (WiFi-only variant), and not the LTE (Qualcomm) variant.
I created this thread to ask whether someone has a spare device lying around, maybe because of the little development on Exynos 5 devices, or if people would be willing to donate a device (I'm a university student and unfortunately can not afford the full price for a new device. I'm willing to dive into the Exynos development scene and spend time on this device though, including extensive debugging).
Thank you two for your reasonable thoughts.
I think the main reason why the previous developers stopped developing for this device rather quickly is the Exynos chip.
The main difference between me and anyone else is (or so I believe) the fact that I am especially interested in developing for the Exynos 5420 chip and the drivers for it (mainly from the Insignal forum source).
As far as bricked devices, I can say I had a Samsung device before, and as long as the bootloader is unlockable and access to ODIN (The firmware flashing tool) is granted, a hard brick is rather hard to achieve. I see little risk here, and I assume my previous development experience will prevent me from making major mistakes in that regard.
A new device would cost me approximately 350€, so if we could collect about 300$ with donations (which would equal something like 270€), I'd pay the remaining costs.
People are of course free to check my development history and/or references first and see if they think I would benefit the aosp development scene for this device.
The ROM I mentioned (Team EOS 5.0 lollipop) is essentially AOSP 5.0 with selected features that we code ourselves, like EOS Weather, or the NX gesture interface.
If people however see the need for an official CM maintainer, I'd be happy to become this as well, all I need is a device to debug and develop on, I'd be willing to spend the time to officially maintain this device.
Other developers and/or contributors should also expect support from me in areas of kernel development or AOSP custom ROM development. I believe in 'sharing is caring', so all my knowledge and achievements on this device shall benefit the community.
If some of you could maybe contact the people who raised donations before, I'd be thankful and gratious for the support. All donations will be listed here and the whole process shall be as transparent as possible.
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Original thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...laxy-note-10-1-2014-exynos-developer-t2936508
He is very committed to getting this device and developing for us so let's get him this device. He needs at least $300 so just write below how much you would be willing to donate if the funds were raised for the device. I will update this post with the names and how much people are willing to donate :good:
If at least 30 people donate say $10 for example then we can do this easily. I pledge $10 dollars so lets get this started!!
List of donations so far:
Euro:
22sl22: €10
@r4yN €20
@benni_1994 €20
@GrimReaper1908 €15
@ollimi1 €10
@henriavelabarbe €25
@murmlgrmpf €10
@TOMMY1985 €10
@zazael €10
@rglebien €10
@SubZeroEffort €20
Dollars:
@emilycloud $20
@mrtoast $30
@benjamimgois $10
@talz13 $50
@mikep2323 $25
@buffalo_guy $20
@bokmob $25
@redbaron $20
@JosephFeliciano013 $5
@jwjessie488 $20
@aelunyu $25
@MxCraft $30
@Googfan $15
Total so far: Approx.€403/$503
20$ from me (sry I'm a poor student )
We'll be doing this via PayPal, I assume?
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20$ from me (sry I'm a poor student )
We'll be doing this via PayPal, I assume?
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$20 is perfect, any donations are helpful
Yes PayPal. If you look at his profile there's a link there. I'll add your name to the list :good:
Alright, I've just donated 20€ (which equals ~25$ if I'm not mistaken). It would be great, if @RaymanFX confirmed the transaction (I've refered to XDA in the transaction note, but if you need the transaction ID, write me a PN)
PS: I know I said I'd donate 20$, but I figured since he's german, I could just as well donate 20€ instead :highfive:
And I also know that you usually don't donate until enough pledges have been made, but I have faith that we will make it. And if we don't, well, consider it a donation for the effort, lol
Edit: Transaction ID # 89F56830A9644882H
$365 on eBay (refurbished)
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-...1386122200?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item2a3b7493d8
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Alright, I've just donated 20€ (which equals ~25$ if I'm not mistaken). It would be great, if @RaymanFX confirmed the transaction (I've refered to XDA in the transaction note, but if you need the transaction ID, write me a PN)
PS: I know I said I'd donate 20$, but I figured since he's german, I could just as well donate 20€ instead :highfive:
And I also know that you usually don't donate until enough pledges have been made, but I have faith that we will make it. And if we don't, well, consider it a donation for the effort, lol
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Hey, thanks a ton
I can cofirm the 20€ (!) donation is now on my PayPal account.
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Hey, thanks a ton
I can cofirm the 20€ (!) donation is now on my PayPal account.
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thanks for confirming
Btw since you're german, THIS might be an interesting offer (although I'm not sure about the warranty)
265€ = ~330$ (free shipping within germany)
I'll donate 20€ at the end of the month!
You can add me on the list
Is there anyway to donate directly from debit card? Paypal has problems with my card and renders the service unusable.
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Is there anyway to donate directly from debit card? Paypal has problems with my card and renders the service unusable.
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It depends. If you live in Germany it will obviously be easier. If not, it depends from country to country. What country are you in?
Hi there,
nice to see that at least one person is not scared away by the exynos cpu
You can count me in for 15€
I have a question though:
How is this handled? Are we donating all at once when enough people have expressed their will to donate?
Or should I already donate so that you can be sure that I'm serious?
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Hi there,
nice to see that at least one person is not scared away by the exynos cpu
You can count me in for 15€
I have a question though:
How is this handled? Are we donating all at once when enough people have expressed their will to donate?
Or should I already donate so that you can be sure that I'm serious?
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The donating is a personal thing. I worded things in the op to be safe. It's just easier if people pledge, say they are gonna donate, and then once the amount has been reached people can actually donate.
Say for example, there are no pledges and we raise 200 dollars that people have already donated in a few weeks and then people lose interest and not a lot of donations come in anymore. I don't want people to be angry if the dev doesn't end up getting the tablet. :good:
Better to pledge but if you want to donate right now that's fine. Either way i'll add you to the list
Could you in the title add that this is for the exynos variant. It mislead me into thinking this was for the snapdragon until I read a little.
Ok I'm in for $20. Maybe a little more if we get close! Awesome guys.
In for $30 ?
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I just sent $10... hope that helps !
I'm in for $50
Hey everyone,
just letting you know I was donated another 10€ yesterday, so we're at over 200$ now!
That's more than 2/3 of our goal, so there's only 100$ left.
Keep on going, we're almost there now.
Thanks to the community for having so much faith in me and enabling development for this device.
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Hey everyone,
just letting you know I was donated another 10€ yesterday, so we're at over 200$ now!
That's more than 2/3 of our goal, so there's only 100$ left.
Keep on going, we're almost there now.
Thanks to the community for having so much faith in me and enabling development for this device.
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Yes, only 100 dollars left now, we are nearly there! This is going really well.
Do you have the name of the person who donated? I can add them to the list :good:
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Hey everyone,
just letting you know I was donated another 10€ yesterday, so we're at over 200$ now!
That's more than 2/3 of our goal, so there's only 100$ left.
Keep on going, we're almost there now.
Thanks to the community for having so much faith in me and enabling development for this device.
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Ill throw in 25 dollars. Would you like me to donate now? If yes I can do when I get home.
This is not a Nexus 6 specific question, but I'd like to hear from other users about how much to contribute to a developer whose work you either use or who makes a special contribution to the Android community. I typically donate only once, and I try to make "generous" donations. Question is, what is considered an appropriate dollar amount. As I said I try to be "generous", but that is a vague term, and I am not a wealthy user. I won't state here what I consider "generous" for fear of embarrassing myself or others.
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This is not a Nexus 6 specific question, but I'd like to hear from other users about how much to contribute to a developer whose work you either use or who makes a special contribution to the Android community. I typically donate only once, and I try to make "generous" donations. Question is, what is considered an appropriate dollar amount. As I said I try to be "generous", but that is a vague term, and I am not a wealthy user. I won't state here what I consider "generous" for fear of embarrassing myself or others.
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I am not afraid to state what i donate anywhere between 20-50 dollars depending on the work. Root exploits bootloader unlocks. It really depends on the work.
I am not saying no work should go un noticed. Just saying that people offer more for much looked at project compared to others. Like people love xposed they will donate more than to someone that developed something else not so popular. Again I am not bashing anyone or any developer. Just depends on what is being developed IMHO.
I like to think my donation can buy them a good six pack of beer. so in my mind around $10 maybe $25 if they are doing outstanding work .
I also usually support developers in the Play Store even if I really don't need their particular application. I have probably spent $200.... 1 dollar at a time.
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See the next post for details.
Firstly, I want to thank all the users of the original FunkyHuawei. Due to costs involved, I can no longer offer FunkyHuawei as a donation-based program.
This thread is to provide support to those using the service to recover/update/rebrand their Mate 9/Mate 9 Pro, and to get feedback. Check the free credits thread to get a free credit which you can use for the service, exclusive for XDA members.
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(...) Because it is not compatible with Paypal, and will no longer be a donation system (...) hopefully I will have many of you as subscribers with the new version. (...)
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Any idea what we can expect pricing wise or if (actual) donators can carry (some of) their donation over to any new system?
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Any idea what we can expect pricing wise or if (actual) donators can carry (some of) their donation over to any new system?
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Pricing will be between $15 to $30 per month for individuals with one device. The higher price plan includes technical support, the lower price doesn't. It will be between $200 and $300 for businesses/resellers who are flashing multiple phones (this was a big problem with original FunkyHuawei, and has cost me a lot.)
As for those who donated, if you donated equal to or less than the recommended donation, no. If you donated more generously than the recommended donation, or donated the recommended donation very recently, I will refund the first charges from the new service. If you are one of those people, contact support once the new site launches.
If i understood correctly, than:
The developement here will go to an end.
I understand, that everyone wants to earn something. Theese are everyones rights. But now it will be like that, if something happened to your device, pay and it will be fixed, if no sit with your brick.
I am supporting, 100% about those business/ressellers e.t.c that use it, maybe donating 30$ flashing 10000000 phones and earning x100 more than donated.
This system would be ideal for them.If its business then it shall be like that.
As for the XDA Community:This is not fair.
Some people will do that, but the most part i think not.
We will loose many mate 9 users in the end. And i can bet, that someone will try to do free alternatives after time. Wouldnt it bee better, to seperate us xda users, from business.
Ok we all can donate, most of us, but i can bet that there are people who cant.
Im not saying that im not supporting this idea, but also im not saying that i support.
Hi, I was actually considering using your service but asking $30 per month per user per phone is absurd. Companies, phone resellers OK but for a private person who wants to enjoy his phone I think this is a total ripoff, no matter how much time you put into it. I hope your business fares well though!
Time to sell my Mate 9.
Good luck with funky 2.0.
I've donated more than 50 euros just to recover my phone. But I'm not paying one more cent for things that are free in other devices. Next time I will buy other phone model. This is too much.
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Time to sell my Mate 9.
Good luck with funky 2.0.
I've donated more than 50 euros just to recover my phone. But I'm not paying one more cent for things that are free in other devices. Next time I will buy other phone model. This is too much.
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blackspp said:
Hi, I was actually considering using your service but asking $30 per month per user per phone is absurd. Companies, phone resellers OK but for a private person who wants to enjoy his phone I think this is a total ripoff, no matter how much time you put into it. I hope your business fares well though!
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Yep, this is what im talking about.
Xda users must be kept seperate.
Business users are business users.
Go to he'll mate 9 and all Huawei products. We will leave u and ur company playing together and make money from air. But all companies will support their phones as that is the fair and the duty for every company if it would to be at the top. Thanks and goodbye.
All the phones listed doesn't need ur tool to flash firmwares, only mate 9 for now need it.
I'm sure lot of people are working to find a way for mate9.
We are @ XDA,So some patience and ur tool will be useless.
I agree with a lot that was said on both sides of the argument. Somehow a distinction should be made between users on XDA that have a DIY attitude and want to play with their own device with businesses that are rebranding multiple phones and trying to make big bucks.
Clearly running a business on XDA is against forum rules so presumably Funky Huawei will be moving elsewhere. While I hadn't used it I tried to keep up with what was happening. Sorry to see it go....
See item 8 on "Donations"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
mscion said:
I agree with a lot that was said on both sides of the argument. Somehow a distinction should be made between users on XDA that have a DIY attitude and want to play with their own device with businesses that are rebranding multiple phones and trying to make big bucks.
Clearly running a business on XDA is against forum rules so presumably Funky Huawei will be moving elsewhere. While I hadn't used it I tried to keep up with what was happening. Sorry to see it go....
See item 8 on "Donations"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
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I don't plan to market FunkyHuawei on XDA, but I think item 11 would allow me to continue supporting people using it, if I keep up an active support thread like I've been doing. The rules are a bit unclear in that regard. So long as it's done with an intention of supporting, as opposed to selling, I think I can maintain a presence.
Anyway, I do very well understand the complaints of people who would prefer it to be more free. Unfortunately, until there is a universal income, extremely large amounts of bandwidth and storage are free, or I'm otherwise rich enough to afford not working, I can't do it like that -- it's simply not possible. This is the only way I can continue to operate it.
An alternative might be found, I might not get users, and it might not do well, but I'll do my best to have my service be an option to people who want or need it. As for those who don't want to use it, I can very well understand their reasons, and wish them the best of luck finding a less resource-intensive method to flash the phone.
Having thought about what I can do to help people who can't afford it, I will, as a compromise, come up with a free way to use the service, limited to XDA members who are not reselling or flashing large numbers of phones. For obvious reasons, I can't give unlimited open free access to everyone, but I can schedule time blocks for particular people to use the service for free. I will come up with details for that plan and announce it here later.
mscion said:
I agree with a lot that was said on both sides of the argument. Somehow a distinction should be made between users on XDA that have a DIY attitude and want to play with their own device with businesses that are rebranding multiple phones and trying to make big bucks.
Clearly running a business on XDA is against forum rules so presumably Funky Huawei will be moving elsewhere. While I hadn't used it I tried to keep up with what was happening. Sorry to see it go....
See item 8 on "Donations"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
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Yes, agree.
I was also thinking if this isnt breaking the rules.
duraaraa said:
I don't plan to market FunkyHuawei on XDA, but I think item 11 would allow me to continue supporting people using it, if I keep up an active support thread like I've been doing. The rules are a bit unclear in that regard. So long as it's done with an intention of supporting, as opposed to selling, I think I can maintain a presence.
Anyway, I do very well understand the complaints of people who would prefer it to be more free. Unfortunately, until there is a universal income, extremely large amounts of bandwidth and storage are free, or I'm otherwise rich enough to afford not working, I can't do it like that -- it's simply not possible. This is the only way I can continue to operate it.
An alternative might be found, I might not get users, and it might not do well, but I'll do my best to have my service be an option to people who want or need it. As for those who don't want to use it, I can very well understand their reasons, and wish them the best of luck finding a less resource-intensive method to flash the phone.
Having thought about what I can do to help people who can't afford it, I will, as a compromise, come up with a free way to use the service, limited to XDA members who are not reselling or flashing large numbers of phones. For obvious reasons, I can't give unlimited free access to anyone, but I can schedule time blocks for particular people to use the service for free. I will come up with details for that plan and announce it here later.
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Actually what you are doing is selling a service and profit with it.
duraaraa said:
Firstly, I want to thank all the users of FunkyHuawei. I have decided to expand FunkyHuawei to be useful to even more people.
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You've been very helpful to a lot of people, myself included, and I thank you for that. But personally, I too think $15/mo for a normal user is unreasonable. I was a user who donated and only used the service 2 times since it launched. I updated my Mate 9 to B136 and then to B138. That was about 2 GB of bandwidth, which costs next to nothing. I don't know how much time you put into this, but from the sounds of it, a lot of people are using the service. I think your numbers are going to drastically drop if you try charging that much.
I highly recommend you charge a lower fee for a PER FLASH/DOWNLOAD basis. For people like me who only own ONE device, and needed the service because Huawei OTA's are terrible, this makes sense. I cannot justify paying $15 per month when I might not even use the service for a month... 2 months, etc. (totally dependent on OTA update frequency). Sure, I could probably "cancel" every time I'm done using it... but that could still be $15 for 1 download, which is insane. Can you imagine if companies charged $15 for every update? It wouldn't work well for them at all.
All I'm asking is that you reconsider. I hate to hear that you were abused by unscrupulous people using hundreds of gigs of data after donating 1 cent, but your current proposed pricing scheme is just unreasonable for a normal user. I think charging a smaller fee for a 1 time download would work much better for you and everyone else who is not a business/reseller.
duraaraa said:
FunkyHuawei 2.0 will support several Huawei models, including, of course, the Mate 9. Addition of new firmware is automated, so all of the latest updates will be available faster.
iginal version will remain open at least 24 hours from this post, so please use it now while it still exists if you need it.
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Would you be able to add the Huawei Honor Note 8 to this list? I'm giving up my Mate 9 for that device and would love to see it supported! The Nougat beta for it just launched on the Chinese site, but it seems nobody from the small Note 8 community here on XDA has managed to get ahold of it. If you pulled that off, a lot of people from over there would certainly pay for it, myself included!
duraaraa said:
Having thought about what I can do to help people who can't afford it, I will, as a compromise, come up with a free way to use the service, limited to XDA members who are not reselling or flashing large numbers of phones. For obvious reasons, I can't give unlimited open free access to everyone, but I can schedule time blocks for particular people to use the service for free. I will come up with details for that plan and announce it here later.
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I'm sure you will. I have nothing but praise for what you have given to this community. The level of resentment you see in some of the posts is just a reflection of how people grew to love FunkyHuawei and are now afraid of losing access to it. I'm positive you'll come up with a solution that is fair for everyone, you included.
Keep up the good work. :good:
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So, calm everybody down.
We will see what @duraaraa will offer to us, who have one phone, and will use 1 time per 2 mnths or as @Nitemare3219 said, when OTAs will be available.
I think that those users need a free solution. There is needed to be made a automated list of those users or smtn like that. Or just set a counter, first time for free, OTAs free, any adittional flashing paid.
Esterra said:
So, calm everybody down.
We will see what @duraaraa will offer to us, who have one phone, and will use 1 time per 2 mnths or as @Nitemare3219 said, when OTAs will be available.
I think that those users need a free solution. There is needed to be made a automated list of those users or smtn like that. Or just set a counter, first time for free, OTAs free, any adittional flashing paid.
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Maby OTA update should be free or a low cost but crossflash and unbrick the phone should cost money? U could separate and make 2 programs. One for OTA updates with ads that can generate money that u have to look at before u can upgrade. And another program for crossflash and unbrick?
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Dear @duraaraa
I think the idea of reasonable donation per download is fair for you and the user..
Monthly fee is not a good idea as users may not use the service for the whole month...
Any way, thank you for what you have done so far.....
Would you be able to add the Huawei Honor Note 8 to this list? I'm giving up my Mate 9 for that device and would love to see it supported! The Nougat beta for it just launched on the Chinese site, but it seems nobody from the small Note 8 community here on XDA has managed to get ahold of it. If you pulled that off, a lot of people from over there would certainly pay for it, myself included!
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Yes, I think it's possible for me to add support for it. Probably can have it added within the first few days of launching.
I'm assuming you're talking about the EDI-AL10C233 ?