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I put Toy Story on the Nook with subtitles to see how it fares. With the NoRefresh it's watchable. I get lost in the movie and forget it's in B/W with no sound. I don't know what to watch next on it. The new NoRefresh is tricky to get the contrast setting up during the movie but I eventually get it after a hundred taps everywhere. The last version seemed to shut down after a while, this new one works continuously with no problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8MY26rwXuc
Well, why don't you put sound on it then?
Do you know where to obtain the hardware that makes this possible at a low price?
Oh, it's all in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1457971
You need a USB OTG adapter cable = $3 and a USB audio adapter = $3-10.
That's awesome! I like how the suggestions are all unboxing's, reviews, or comparisons, and then there's this video xD
I already have this USB audio adapter - http://www.altoedge.com/usbaudio/usb-audio-capture-imic.html
It works good on any computer I use it on, wonder if it would do the trick if I had that OTG adapter.
This one caught my eye- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-M...&otn=21&pmod=150791148251&ps=54#ht_2437wt_934
Having no sound isn't a big issue. It's kind of relaxing. Using the subtitles forces to me to do what I was originally suppose to do with it- Read!
It's nice to see people bringing out the most of this thing
You might consider a right angle adapter, it's a bit more convenient.
Anything will work as long as it specifically says OTG.
that shows what the device is capable of though.
Wow
Wow, what someone should do is make a case that has these usb addons so you could have sound and a microphone and even a camera! It might make it bulky, but considering how thin the nook touch already is I think it would still be comfortable to hold.
I'll have to look into norefresh, because if this works with other apps, it could be possible to get Angry Birds or something working just as cleanly as the video shown there.
angry birds works nicely with NoRefresh
Not a bait question, but if similar price and since the Shield has a huge advantage of also being portable, better controller adaption for games and a speaker (if connecting to a monitor), why would MOJO be a preferred device for consideration? Seems a slam dunk for Shield. That said, you could buy a small Tegra 4 tablet with HDMI out and use a controller and have similar advantage over either device.
Ouya is so weak as far as hardware, even the lower cost of it makes it second tier to either device.
This is designed for under the TV, and that means there's a few things that make it function better than the SHIELD in that scenario:
1. USB ports (connect your mass media to this device, and power it at the same time) (also 1 USB3 port which you could use a hub to break out)
2. Built in ethernet (only 100mbps -- really Madcatz?)
Under the TV, what the SHIELD does better is:
1. No menu bar (no idea why Madcatz shipped with a menu bar at the bottom, probably some silly GMS cert issue)
2. GRID streaming (supposedly coming for Mojo)
3. PC streaming (I hope coming for Mojo as well)
4. All Android apps (use Modaco's playstore fix for this I guess)
Now, Madcatz could fix/provide an option for #1 if they wanted to, there's no need to have that menubar on there all the time (unless Google mandates it). #2 and #3 are supposedly coming in an update, and would be much better than the given support on SHIELD due to the removal of WiFi as a problem point (100mbit available for a PC stream with <1ms ping... no need for a Steambox in my living room!).
If we just had the SHIELD OS on the Mojo, I think for the home theatre setup the Mojo would absolutely crush (and be the almost-perfect home Theatre device). Right now, there's drawbacks, and for 250$ that's a tough pill to swallow. The Mojo's pricepoint is where it doesn't make any sense. From a simple BOM standpoint, the SHIELD has a screen, batteries, a more expensive case, active thermal cooling (not saying its better, just costs more $), yet its the same price as a Mojo! For the Mojo to be the ultimate TV box it needs a much stronger pricepoint... not saying 100$ but 120/150$ would be nice.
Now if you want something portable... well then there's no option, SHIELD is the way to go.
As for the tablet+HDMI, the huge issue is OTG+Charge at the same time (I actually just made a thread about this in the SHIELD forums). Some tablets accept that mode natively, however I'm not sure which would. Lastly, for gaming, tablet chips will be at a different perf point than what you get in the SHIELD/Mojo (thermals are very different, power draw is very different).
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This is designed for under the TV, and that means there's a few things that make it function better than the SHIELD in that scenario:
1. USB ports (connect your mass media to this device, and power it at the same time) (also 1 USB3 port which you could use a hub to break out)
2. Built in ethernet (only 100mbps -- really Madcatz?)
Under the TV, what the SHIELD does better is:
1. No menu bar (no idea why Madcatz shipped with a menu bar at the bottom, probably some silly GMS cert issue)
2. GRID streaming (supposedly coming for Mojo)
3. PC streaming (I hope coming for Mojo as well)
4. All Android apps (use Modaco's playstore fix for this I guess)
Now, Madcatz could fix/provide an option for #1 if they wanted to, there's no need to have that menubar on there all the time (unless Google mandates it). #2 and #3 are supposedly coming in an update, and would be much better than the given support on SHIELD due to the removal of WiFi as a problem point (100mbit available for a PC stream with <1ms ping... no need for a Steambox in my living room!).
If we just had the SHIELD OS on the Mojo, I think for the home theatre setup the Mojo would absolutely crush (and be the almost-perfect home Theatre device). Right now, there's drawbacks, and for 250$ that's a tough pill to swallow. The Mojo's pricepoint is where it doesn't make any sense. From a simple BOM standpoint, the SHIELD has a screen, batteries, a more expensive case, active thermal cooling (not saying its better, just costs more $), yet its the same price as a Mojo! For the Mojo to be the ultimate TV box it needs a much stronger pricepoint... not saying 100$ but 120/150$ would be nice.
Now if you want something portable... well then there's no option, SHIELD is the way to go.
As for the tablet+HDMI, the huge issue is OTG+Charge at the same time (I actually just made a thread about this in the SHIELD forums). Some tablets accept that mode natively, however I'm not sure which would. Lastly, for gaming, tablet chips will be at a different perf point than what you get in the SHIELD/Mojo (thermals are very different, power draw is very different).
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So let me get this straight.... if I'm playing a game, or an emulator, am I always going to see a MENU BAR on there? Like ad ware? Please tell me this isn't so. Or if it IS so, a work around?
If there is NO workaround, wouldn't rooting it and putting a custom rom on it be beneficial. Not to mention we could install 4.3 or even 4.4 without having to wait for an update.
Inquiring minds want to know (i'm waiting for mine in the mail, will probably return it if I have to stare at some stupid menu bar whilst playing my emulators on it).
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So let me get this straight.... if I'm playing a game, or an emulator, am I always going to see a MENU BAR on there? Like ad ware? Please tell me this isn't so. Or if it IS so, a work around?
If there is NO workaround, wouldn't rooting it and putting a custom rom on it be beneficial. Not to mention we could install 4.3 or even 4.4 without having to wait for an update.
Inquiring minds want to know (i'm waiting for mine in the mail, will probably return it if I have to stare at some stupid menu bar whilst playing my emulators on it).
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Step 1) Get root (Paul's thread)
Step 2) Use apps that hide the bar: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.tsorn.FullScreen or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=be.ppareit.hidebar (pulled from the XBMC FAQ)
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Profit!
It should work, perhaps someone can confirm for you.
In my opinion the shield is the better buy for under the tv or portability. I actually was deciding between mojo and the shield and i'm glad I went with the shield (and i use it as an under the tv device.) The only thing that appeals to me on the mojo right now is the controller, but I mean with shield you get way more android games, and it doesn't have the compatibility issues as mojo, you can still hook the shield up in console mode get a BT controller and game on the big screen in 1080p. PC and grid streaming, can move apps to sd, and its backed by Nvidia themselves.
It depends if you are a bigger console (on the TV) or portable gamer.
Or if you need the ease of both, ie MOJO and CTRLR with new phone (this works great on my tablet and cloud save games- zero setting up!)
Is the Shield BT4?, BT4 is impressive (especially the battery saving)
Obviously, I picked the MOJO, I haven't used a shield.
When the CTRLR retails, I'm guess it will be around $100, so you would be only paying $150 for the MOJO.
It really is a great controller, and can be used on anything but iOS.
I use it on PC games too.
Is the fan loud or pron to faults?
I wonder how long it would last.. on all my laptops its the first thing to go
Last point, 1-5 years from now would you still be using the Shield?
I still would be using the MOJO as a smart TV enabler on the 2nd TV, I hear the MOJO can run of USB power :good:
And the CTRLR + Travel Clip is future poof as MC.rick said:highfive:
If I where you, I would ask the same question on the Shield forums.
and let us know what you decide!
Good luck
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So let me get this straight.... if I'm playing a game, or an emulator, am I always going to see a MENU BAR on there? Like ad ware? Please tell me this isn't so. Or if it IS so, a work around?
If there is NO workaround, wouldn't rooting it and putting a custom rom on it be beneficial. Not to mention we could install 4.3 or even 4.4 without having to wait for an update.
Inquiring minds want to know (i'm waiting for mine in the mail, will probably return it if I have to stare at some stupid menu bar whilst playing my emulators on it).
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FYI, I finally got root (through a roundabout way with nvflash) and I can confirm that a fullscreen app (I used full!screen, free version) works beautifully on the Mojo. I now have 100% fullscreen, no more annoying bar in XBMC or FPSe.
Pleiades7 said:
So let me get this straight.... if I'm playing a game, or an emulator, am I always going to see a MENU BAR on there? Like ad ware? Please tell me this isn't so. Or if it IS so, a work around?
If there is NO workaround, wouldn't rooting it and putting a custom rom on it be beneficial. Not to mention we could install 4.3 or even 4.4 without having to wait for an update.
Inquiring minds want to know (i'm waiting for mine in the mail, will probably return it if I have to stare at some stupid menu bar whilst playing my emulators on it).
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menu bar goes away.
If im not mistaken, there is a 'hide menu bar' option in FPSE if that helps. haven't tried it tho.
I got an RK8 box and runs great with my 4k TV. Exception being HDMI. When I turn on the RK8, it will not display on my TV. I have to unplug the HDMI from the box and plug it back in and than it will work. Is there a setting that I'm missing?
It's plugged into my HDMI port on the LG for 2.0. The TV also recognizes it as an HDMI 2.0 devices and switches the tv to 10bit colour on that port. Only issue is unplugging and plugging back in the HDMI cable to it to show.
Hi Kevin. Have had the RK8 for a couple of months now, and after the first couple of weeks using it on my Samsung UE65JU6070, I can no longer switch it on with my remote (switching off works fine), thus I have gotten used to unplug/replug the power cord. Maybe it's the same issue you're experiencing? I'll check tonight if unplugging/replugging the HDMI cable does the same trick for me as the power cord.
Can I ask, what is your experience in playing 4K youtube video's? It seems mine is very reluctant to do so (doesn't work on the youtube app, and only sporadically using a webbrowser).
Otherwise I agree with you .... it is a great box which seems to run very stable without any overheating issues etc. ..... and having upgraded KODI to 15.2 means I no longer have any stability issues there either (NB: if you do this update, you need to uninstall the pre-installed KODI 14 first .... so remember to save your settings etc.).
Just a last comment. At 70 USD this seems to me to be great value ..... I'm surprised it's so difficult to find other people on the Internet who have experience with this box ....
Best regards Mogens
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Hi Kevin. Have had the RK8 for a couple of months now, and after the first couple of weeks using it on my Samsung UE65JU6070, I can no longer switch it on with my remote (switching off works fine), thus I have gotten used to unplug/replug the power cord. Maybe it's the same issue you're experiencing? I'll check tonight if unplugging/replugging the HDMI cable does the same trick for me as the power cord.
Can I ask, what is your experience in playing 4K youtube video's? It seems mine is very reluctant to do so (doesn't work on the youtube app, and only sporadically using a webbrowser).
Otherwise I agree with you .... it is a great box which seems to run very stable without any overheating issues etc. ..... and having upgraded KODI to 15.2 means I no longer have any stability issues there either (NB: if you do this update, you need to uninstall the pre-installed KODI 14 first .... so remember to save your settings etc.).
Just a last comment. At 70 USD this seems to me to be great value ..... I'm surprised it's so difficult to find other people on the Internet who have experience with this box ....
Best regards Mogens
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I have no remote/power issues. Just issue with it showing on my tv. It powers up and won't display. TV see's that HDMI3 has power but does not show unless I unplug/plug the HDMI cord in the box.
I don't use youtube on this box. Just Kodi.
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I have no remote/power issues. Just issue with it showing on my tv. It powers up and won't display. TV see's that HDMI3 has power but does not show unless I unplug/plug the HDMI cord in the box.
I don't use youtube on this box. Just Kodi.
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Hi again Kevin. Since my last post, it has happend 3 - 4 times that I've experienced your issue of "black screen", but for me it has come out of the blue. Picture comes back when unplugging and replugging the HDMI cable just as you say. I was wondering if you have gotten any closer to find a solution?
Pls be aware that I tried to update to Kodi Jarvis (16.0) release, but went back to 15.2 due to an issue with menu text being "corrupted", which required each time starting Kodi to go and change the font. Allegedly it's an issue related to HDMI as well, so I'm wondering if there is some "glitch" in the box' HDMI implementation (HW or FW).
I'm sure you have tried already, but if not, have you tried to move the HDMI cable to another input on the TV? Do you have some configuration possibilities with the HDMI inputs on the TV ... if yes, maybe play around with those.
Small quirks ... but I have to say that for USD 60, this is still an amazing box even if I still cannot power it on with any remote (but power off works fine with all remotes).
Best regards Mogens
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Hi again Kevin. Since my last post, it has happend 3 - 4 times that I've experienced your issue of "black screen", but for me it has come out of the blue. Picture comes back when unplugging and replugging the HDMI cable just as you say. I was wondering if you have gotten any closer to find a solution?
Pls be aware that I tried to update to Kodi Jarvis (16.0) release, but went back to 15.2 due to an issue with menu text being "corrupted", which required each time starting Kodi to go and change the font. Allegedly it's an issue related to HDMI as well, so I'm wondering if there is some "glitch" in the box' HDMI implementation (HW or FW).
I'm sure you have tried already, but if not, have you tried to move the HDMI cable to another input on the TV? Do you have some configuration possibilities with the HDMI inputs on the TV ... if yes, maybe play around with those.
Small quirks ... but I have to say that for USD 60, this is still an amazing box even if I still cannot power it on with any remote (but power off works fine with all remotes).
Best regards Mogens
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I haven't had time to work with it to be honest. I think its a poor HDMI 2.0 design on the box. I still have the issue and just yesterday, my Kodi updated to 16 and I get the same issue as you with the block lettering which I haven't tried to fix as yet. Thanks for sharing changing of the font.
Reason I suspect its the unit and not tv, is because sometimes when it does not display on my tv. The tv gives a pop up indicating "The device connected does not support 10 bit deep colour". Then I unplug and plug and it goes away.
Hopefully I can get sometime to fiddle with it more and see how it can be resolved.
Have you tried to see if there is a software update? The update option on my box does not even work. I wonder if we both got knock offs or just duds.
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I haven't had time to work with it to be honest. I think its a poor HDMI 2.0 design on the box. I still have the issue and just yesterday, my Kodi updated to 16 and I get the same issue as you with the block lettering which I haven't tried to fix as yet. Thanks for sharing changing of the font.
Reason I suspect its the unit and not tv, is because sometimes when it does not display on my tv. The tv gives a pop up indicating "The device connected does not support 10 bit deep colour". Then I unplug and plug and it goes away.
Hopefully I can get sometime to fiddle with it more and see how it can be resolved.
Have you tried to see if there is a software update? The update option on my box does not even work. I wonder if we both got knock offs or just duds.
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Hi Kevin,
The box is made by Acemax, and there is no FW update since the original (believe the one it's shipped with is dated 30. sep 2015 ...but that's from memory as I'm at work). I don't think it's a knock off, but I do think it's a "standard" board which is basically put into a plastic cabinet, where the only difference to identical spec products (like the Xidoo X6 Pro) is the location of the USB ports. It seems it uses exactly the same components as that one and others similar to it ... however, Acemax do seem to have FW updates for other products they've made on their homepage, so ... who knows. If somebody is brave and skillful enough, such person may even try at install a FW from f.ex. the Xidoo box ... but I'm afraid that's not me (not due to lack of bravery, but ... skill!!). With that being said, I believe my issue with having to unplug/replug the power cord once per day is something I can live with easily (and it has worked, so it may be a question of resetting the box, which I frankly am to lazy to do!!), so .... I guess looking at such small quirks and comparing them to the overall usability of the box, then the trade-off is not too bad.
A quick view on a couple of threads for similar boxes (f.ex. the Xidoo) would seem to indicate that some of their users are having issues that makes ours "luxury problems" in comparison.
Anyway, I'll keep you updated if I stumble over something useful .... and would appreciate if you do the same.
P.S. A "clever" streaming guy has told me that the best Kodi version in terms of stability for live TV streaming still is Helix .... although I'm quite happy with Isenguard (got too tired of the font changing thing on Jarvis, so I re-installed Isenguard). I'm more or less only using mine for streaming HD channels (mostly UK Sky / BT sports) for EPL, and it works fantastic.
I found a weird solution for the unplug issue! When I turn on the box and my tv is on the hdmi port. I turn the tv off and turn it back on and the box displays. Tried this a few times and it worked.
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Hi Kevin,
The box is made by Acemax, and there is no FW update since the original (believe the one it's shipped with is dated 30. sep 2015 ...but that's from memory as I'm at work). I don't think it's a knock off, but I do think it's a "standard" board which is basically put into a plastic cabinet, where the only difference to identical spec products (like the Xidoo X6 Pro) is the location of the USB ports. It seems it uses exactly the same components as that one and others similar to it ... however, Acemax do seem to have FW updates for other products they've made on their homepage, so ... who knows. If somebody is brave and skillful enough, such person may even try at install a FW from f.ex. the Xidoo box ... but I'm afraid that's not me (not due to lack of bravery, but ... skill!!). With that being said, I believe my issue with having to unplug/replug the power cord once per day is something I can live with easily (and it has worked, so it may be a question of resetting the box, which I frankly am to lazy to do!!), so .... I guess looking at such small quirks and comparing them to the overall usability of the box, then the trade-off is not too bad.
A quick view on a couple of threads for similar boxes (f.ex. the Xidoo) would seem to indicate that some of their users are having issues that makes ours "luxury problems" in comparison.
Anyway, I'll keep you updated if I stumble over something useful .... and would appreciate if you do the same.
P.S. A "clever" streaming guy has told me that the best Kodi version in terms of stability for live TV streaming still is Helix .... although I'm quite happy with Isenguard (got too tired of the font changing thing on Jarvis, so I re-installed Isenguard). I'm more or less only using mine for streaming HD channels (mostly UK Sky / BT sports) for EPL, and it works fantastic.
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Not sure if you saw my last note about the power. I've also figured out more about this box. It has a rockchip which is one of the worst to use. Kodi does not support that chip fully, hence the weird text when launched. We have to stick with the preload or, I've read some place to download the "X86" apk from the kodi site. Also, I tested my box on a regular 1080p tv with hdmi 1.4. And the issues of it not displaying right away, are eliminated which lead me to believe the hdmi 2.0 in this box is poorly designed.
I'm probably going to use this box in my room and get a box with an Amlogic chip for 4k as those are the better boxes to have and more support is offered.
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Not sure if you saw my last note about the power. I've also figured out more about this box. It has a rockchip which is one of the worst to use. Kodi does not support that chip fully, hence the weird text when launched. We have to stick with the preload or, I've read some place to download the "X86" apk from the kodi site. Also, I tested my box on a regular 1080p tv with hdmi 1.4. And the issues of it not displaying right away, are eliminated which lead me to believe the hdmi 2.0 in this box is poorly designed.
I'm probably going to use this box in my room and get a box with an Amlogic chip for 4k as those are the better boxes to have and more support is offered.
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Hi Kevin,
I just now saw your other post about the power .... I tried that myself, but to no avail.
I'm not sure you're right about the Rockchip being one of the worst technically, but in terms of support (official and un-official) you're right.
However, since I use my box for watching IP TV, I can live with using Kodi 15.2. I've tried the Kodi 17 dev version, and it has the same issue with garbled text as Kodi 16.
The Kodi x86.apk cannot be installed on our box .... I tried yesterday, but I guess it is for an Intel based android solution.
In terms of HDMI 2.0 implementation, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not perfectly implemented .... not sure if HDCP 2.2 also plays a role.
Anyway, at the end of the day you get what you pay for .... and since I paid USD 65 for my box, I have to say I feel I got a lot of value for money, despite it's few quirks .... and as a friend of mine always says; what kind of life would it be without complaints
Best regards Mogens
Hi again Kevin,
The family being out for Saturday shopping, I spent a little time with my afternoon coffee on the computer.
You are right, that KODI do not support the RK3368 SoC, as the manufacturer does not comply with Android standards, which necessitates that standard KODI is "hacked" to work perfectly with this chip .... something the KODI development community naturally does not want to do.
However, it seems the manufacturer Zidoo whose Z6 box is based on the same SoC, has showed some good customer service, and actually created a ZDMC app, which is basically KODI 16 with a few modifications for RK3368.
I downloaded their firmware for the Z6 box, and extracted the ZDMC apk from there and installed it on my RK8 box ..... and albeit I've only tested it shortly, it works beautifully with no issues so far. Apart from not having garbled menu text, it also seems like it's actually able to make 4K output (the standard KODI irrespective of versions only seemed to be able to show FHD, but would in turn show a refresh rate of twice the actual .... too techincal for me!).
Long story short, if you want to test it out, I've uploaded the above apk to Mega with the download link below.
https://mega.nz/#!TR1SEByC
Encryption key needed: !kN-15aGvZljVdKEus9LT7NxCYjqnthR8bbaYD_YfhiQ
Let me know if it works for you and/or if you find anything. Also let me know if the download link doesn't work.
Enjoy your weekend!
Best regards Mogens
kevink15 said:
Not sure if you saw my last note about the power. I've also figured out more about this box. It has a rockchip which is one of the worst to use. Kodi does not support that chip fully, hence the weird text when launched. We have to stick with the preload or, I've read some place to download the "X86" apk from the kodi site. Also, I tested my box on a regular 1080p tv with hdmi 1.4. And the issues of it not displaying right away, are eliminated which lead me to believe the hdmi 2.0 in this box is poorly designed.
I'm probably going to use this box in my room and get a box with an Amlogic chip for 4k as those are the better boxes to have and more support is offered.
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Hi again Kevin,
Just a last comment this time around. I've now used the above mentioned RK3368 "modified" version of Kodi 16, and I have to say it is extremely stable and works better on the RK8 than Kodi 15.2.
If you have a chance, try it out. Given the very, very limited 4K material out there, I hope this box should be able to carry me through the next couple of years until availability of material as well as new compression methods become available.
Best regards Mogens
I had my mojo for 3 years now and recently I can't get my mojo to display the screen. I have tried multiple hdmi cables with no luck. Does anybody else have this issue? Yes, I move my mojo around from one room to the other. I dont think that it should have broke due to that.
I opened my mojo and found that the HDMI port was a little woobly so I soldered the front leg of the port.
I am going to take off the heat sink so that I can check the rest of the legs.
Any help is appreciated. I love my mojo and I dont want it to be a paper wait now
Hey guys, did anyone buy a generic/aftermarket psu for the shield tv. Mine are feeping a lot (this high pitch sound), i have already sent one back to nvidia, got a new one which is a bit better, but still feeping and it makes me go nuts... esp as the rest of the console is absolutely silent....
The loudest feeping is generated when the console is under load, but even in idle feeping is hearable....
Anyone got suggestions.
Hello.
I have a different problem. Since it is not standard it's impossible to find one in my country. So I decided to make my own one. I will post un thread for that. But I need photo of the male plug with the + and the - positions. Can any one do it for me?