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This seems like an internal message to T-Mobile employees.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/19/t-mobile-tells-reps-the-vibrant-gps-update-is-coming-soon/
cool. More info is good info.
People keep talking about samsung not updating or what not.
I hope these statements proves Samsung is trying this time. GPS fix and froyo and ill be a happy clam..
Yesssssir
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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Well "optimizing" is what needs to happen. The GPS isn't broken, it just doesn't work very well. If it were broken, it wouldn't work at all. It does see your general location, however the performance of locating and tracking needs to be improved. Hence it needs "optimizing".
Actually in my case and a few others, the gps doesn't work at all. Never has a lock despite how many satellites are in view and how strong the signal is.
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It's the last part of the definition that bothers me "functional as possible". If it's a hardware issue then they are probably going to try to make it as "functional as possible" on broken hardware and therefore is not really fixed. We will see....
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
mohitmoudgil said:
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
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Not OTA. Perhaps there will be a direct dl, but you'll have to wait for it.
I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?
Stupid questions about this issue?
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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That is correct.
i just called tmobile they said the gps fix is coming out in september
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OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Fair enough. I just needed to vent
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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To add on to this, it is easier to add the "optimization" to the already planned update then to release two separate updates. You reduce the load on the network, reduce the chances of OTA bricks, reduced complaints of multiple updates (most users don't like to spend time worrying about that), less overhead of testing and planning each update. It's a lot different than the modding community where we can just say "I'm not responsible for what happens. At your own risk...blah blah blah."
Since last Wednesday I have been one of the people who when I tried the OTA update, got the message saying, update service is not available, maximum number of roll out has been released, try later or upgrade through Kies.
Not that you could upgrade through Kies, as that always came back saying the latest firmware was installed.
As if 5 days of that message was not enough!
This morning Monday 9th December, that message has gone and it's gone back to just saying. Latest updates have already been installed.
It's as if the hope of an upgrade has been dangled in front of me for 5 days and now Taken away.
It certainly hasn't been updated. Unless the new version is keeping the random 5 to 10 second wait for the lock screen to undo, due to popular demand.
My phone is an unlocked S3 that was not supplied by a carrier, so was supposed to be one of the ones updated first.
How bad can you make a problem Samsung. Was the roll out of crap firmware not enough for you.
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f*ck samsung!
Unless Samsung pulls off a miracle with future updates I intend to stay with custom ROMs! Currently I am using the 4.3-based SentinelRom which works perfectly. KitKat needs more time to mature on our phones.
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KitKat needs more time to mature on our phones.
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Sammy treats OS versions like wine. However, doesn't matter his age, mostly of time is just garbage. Fancy garbage.
Please use the relevant discussion threads for such topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2344133
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figured i would start a thread for this since theres a verizon one.
Get mine tomorrow
Seems like the wait for lollipop will be longer than I thought. Hopefully we get a good build!
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Overall my AT&T Moto X works very well minus a few small bugs. I'd rather wait a few more weeks to get a very stable and solid 5.0 update than be first in line and have some bugs to deal with for the next 2-3 months while I have to wait for another update to resolve them. I am looking forward though to 5.0 and being able to then root my phone.
Maybe they're just going in numerical order. Lol xt1096, 1097..maybe someone's just extremely ocd at Motorola
Patiently waiting impatiently.
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Patiently waiting impatiently.
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Yeah, I check for updates every couple days.
I think the above poster was correct when they said they're going in order. AT&T should roll this out before Thanksgiving.
wheres att ???? =/ just waiting
fingers crossed for an update tomorrow.
yea no update yet for me. verizon got it, no idea what the hold up is for att there slacking
Anyone got any updates on this or heard anything
Not even so much as a soak test yet, looks like it will be a while
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Disappointed with att. At least a soak test for those who like to try beta versions.
Maybe its not ATT fault.
Here in Brazil we also have the XT1097, both as a carrier branded (with the usual bloatware) and with a contract/bloatware free version bought directly from the Motorola Brazilian Store. None of the XT1097 versions have seen a soak test, not even the Motorola version.
I have the xt1097 from TELUS carrier in Canada with absolutely no bloat or carrier branding. Still no news. I hope that they at least update all the xt1097s at once.
ATT and Verizon firmwares are in the same level of modification, i guess. So, if Verizon is already pushing Lollipop, why att is not? I can only think that the problem is with att.
I bought my moto directly from motorola and they sendt a XT1097 (i'm in México) so i'm still waiting, I don't care about the soak, i just want the real thing.
i'm in a hurry to root it, but i want my OTA first.
Guys, do you really prefer those buggy builds? Think about it: Those builds that leaked before (. 5 and. 6) are full of bugs... just check the lollipop bugs thread. Yeah I am extremely anxious about it too but we have to keep in mind that this is android's biggest update to date, I don't think it would be great to get just some build first instead of getting something that actually delivers a great experience.
Verizon already have .11 and less bugs. As i said, a soak test program is for those who want to test, even with bugs.
But never mind, we just need to wait patiently, its our only choise.
So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
Update: Its been confirmed that the Nexus 6 will drop on Verizon tomorrow and with 5.1 Lollipop. No word on a locked down BL though.
Google's Nexus 6 will finally reach Verizon on March 12th http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/11/google-nexus-6-for-verizon/ via Engadget Android
While the Nexus 6 has been confirmed to have 5.1, no word has been given about the DT being upgraded to 5.1 or any other version of Lollipop as of yet.
So according to what?
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I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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5.1 is already out for limited devices. We may get 5.1 after all said and done
True, we most likely get 5.1, I just don't think this update. Most likely the next update, which should be faster once we are on lollipop.
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So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Nothing in the works eh? So there have been NO updates then?
Oh and its been 4 months, but what's rounding it up by another two gonna hurt? It makes it more dramatic.
Everyone wants Lollipop, but doesn't care that it is less stable than Kitkat. Lollipop is just another ICS repeat. ICS didn't start becoming truly stable until 4.1, which Google for some reason deserved a name change. It took forever for devices to update to ICS, and by the time some did, Jellybean was out. Lollipop is a full point release, and major Android overhaul. This is not a 4.0 -> 4.1 -> 4.3 -> 4.4 transition. This is a 4.4 -> 5.0 transition and major parts of Adroid have been reworked. It isn't just a theme. It hasn't been a smooth launch. Verizon is strict with their testing, and we all know that. They are not going to let an OS less stable than its predecessor pass testing on one of their flagship devices. Despite what you want to believe, the Turbo is their specific flagship and they will want it to be the most stable.
Hey, I want Lollipop too. However, Im willing to take the instability with it. Verizon apparently is not after seeing how it fared on the X. The truth has always been out there, no matter how much people want to ignore it: If you want the ultimate network and stability, you got Verizon. If you want bleeding edge software on your devices, you go elsewhere.
So to be frank, anyone who bought the Turbo expecting blazing fast updates should blame their own misconceptions.
You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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By far most reliable for me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept of XLTE or how it ties in with VoLTE but since the DT had it's second VoLTE update I haven't dropped one call and with XLTE I'm on LTE 97% even underground here in Chicago. And I make a lot of calls everyday. We all want updates as soon as possible but as long as what we have works then I can wait.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
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Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
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Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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Hi guys,
I have a British Note 4, running BTU and I'm still waiting for Lollipop. Having owned many many devices over the last few years, I'm more than used to this waiting game, but it's getting a bit crazy now?
Lollipop was released a few weeks after the Note 4 was announced, we are now three, almost four months in to the following year and I'm yet to receive the update?
Poland, Samsung's Beta location received the update a long time ago. What's going on are there some serious Lollipop issues?
If you're running Exynos CPU then apparently were awaiting Intel to produce drivers for the radio. I have N910U international unbranded model and no update yet either, yet most carrier models are updated, very unusual. I feel you though, we are almost in to the 4th month of the year and I seem to recall SS mentioning GN4 will be receiving Android 5.0 shortly 6 months ago lol, oh well looks like I may consider the Saygus V2, beast of a phone!
I wish I could say that's the model I have but unfortunately it isn't! I'm running the N910F
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I'm using the same phone and I'm wondering exactly the same. Keep checking this forum nearly daily to see if there is any news but nothing. Must be coming soon tho.
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Lolipop update for Note 4 its official a failure!! I see HTC One M8 and LG G3 and Note 3 that i sold to buy the Note 4 with oficial updates and my Note 4 on 4.4.4
Worst... no oficial word on the subject by Samsung.
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If you're running Exynos CPU then apparently were awaiting Intel to produce drivers for the radio. I have N910U international unbranded model and no update yet either, yet most carrier models are updated, very unusual. I feel you though, we are almost in to the 4th month of the year and I seem to recall SS mentioning GN4 will be receiving Android 5.0 shortly 6 months ago lol, oh well looks like I may consider the Saygus V2, beast of a phone!
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At last someone asked this question, I was wondering why no one has asked this already!
Samsung should update us
note 3s are being updated etc ...but most unlocked carrier free international phone still no update.....Samsung should say something like we are sorting out bugs but we plan to release it within the next few weeks.
the way they are doing it now doesn't help create a good brand
Although hard every company should be like Apple when it comes to software updates. Everyone should get it at the same time.
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The G version we have down here in Australia is in the same boat. Until every component is built in house (applies to any manufacturer) then software updates for every model variation won't be possible. Sucks but usually comes with the option of choice.
The UK is one of the countries which has the gear VR and that might be the reason for the delay as the UK note 4 has to work with the gear VR on lollipop and is waiting for oculus update.
No one gives a flying you know what about Gear VR, its a poor excuse to prolong an update so that SS can release S6 in hope (we whom remain pre updated and with bugs) that we jump ship!
Deplorable and unforgivable!
Another lost customer here Samdung, better to not bull**** consumers when releasing products!
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No one gives a flying you know what about Gear VR, its a poor excuse to prolong an update so that SS can release S6 in hope (we whom remain pre updated and with bugs) that we jump ship!
Deplorable and unforgivable!
Another lost customer here Samdung, better to not bull**** consumers when releasing products!
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Calm down mate. The only thing I don't get, is how come you're on XDA developers forum and still doesn't have lollipop? I'm on ee and have dirty flashed with Odin first German and now that new Dutch rom and it's all good. UK is important market for Sammy, hence I guess they want to make sure everything is buttoned up before proper release. DBT rom wasn't good, that's why they stopped rollout.
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No one gives a flying you know what about Gear VR, its a poor excuse to prolong an update so that SS can release S6 in hope (we whom remain pre updated and with bugs) that we jump ship!
Deplorable and unforgivable!
Another lost customer here Samdung, better to not bull**** consumers when releasing products!
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You really think that people are going to change their phone just because the new one has the latest lollipop? Surely you would have to be an idiot to that.