Thought others might like to know, I was able to follow the guide below to turn my Alienware Alpha into a wifi access point, then I connect my NVIDIA Shield directly to its access point and play games streamed directly from my Alpha over wifi without a router as the middleman. I tried this because my Alpha isn't connected directly to my usual router via Ethernet - it uses WiFi, but having the Gamestreaming go wirelessly to router then wirelessly to Shield didn't perform well (ie two wireless hops).
http://www.7tutorials.com/how-turn-your-windows-81-laptop-wifi-access-point
Note: I didn't bother with the second step to provide internet access to the connected devices (in this case my Shield), because I want my Shield focused purely on streaming in this case. Interestingly enough, it seemed like my Alpha was able to still access the internet via WiFi to my usual router, even while providing its own access point. Performance is great and I'm able to wirelessly enjoy my games around the house now. (I know I'm so behind on this, but didn't have a good enough graphics card until my Alpha)
And in case anyone is wondering, I am loving my little Alienware Alpha - it's a nice gaming machine in a small console form factor. It didn't initially have a driver that supported gamestreaming, but it must have gotten an update because it started working.
~Troop
i tried this but after a few minutes connected, my windows 8.1 just crash (blue screen).
Blue screen would make me think a driver/hardware problem, but hard to say - it's possible acting as a wireless hotspot might stress the hardware in ways the designers may not have expected since most people don't use their Windows PC's as hotspots.
Update: Disregard this, it does seem to still be working, so I may have been having other issues before.
Also, I've been meaning to update that I don't think doing this method works anymore... fortunately, streaming seems to work better now so that it can survive two wireless hops in my case. I would like to get a more direct way working again, but not sure exactly what the problem is - let us know if anyone knows anything that could have changed in the protocol that might be causing problems for this use case.
~Troop
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Blue screen would make me think a driver/hardware problem, but hard to say - it's possible acting as a wireless hotspot might stress the hardware in ways the designers may not have expected since most people don't use their Windows PC's as hotspots.
Also, I've been meaning to update that I don't think doing this method works anymore... fortunately, streaming seems to work better now so that it can survive two wireless hops in my case. I would like to get a more direct way working again, but not sure exactly what the problem is - let us know if anyone knows anything that could have changed in the protocol that might be causing problems for this use case.
~Troop
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It is still working for me using this method. Although the 5ghz network streams great using a hotspot seems to be significantly better on 2.4ghz only lower end devices like my jxd 7800.
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Trooper_Max said:
Blue screen would make me think a driver/hardware problem, but hard to say - it's possible acting as a wireless hotspot might stress the hardware in ways the designers may not have expected since most people don't use their Windows PC's as hotspots.
Also, I've been meaning to update that I don't think doing this method works anymore... fortunately, streaming seems to work better now so that it can survive two wireless hops in my case. I would like to get a more direct way working again, but not sure exactly what the problem is - let us know if anyone knows anything that could have changed in the protocol that might be causing problems for this use case.
~Troop
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It is still working for me using this method. Although the 5ghz network streams great anyway, using a hotspot seems to be significantly better on 2.4ghz only lower end devices like my jxd 7800.
You're right - it still works. I must have been having some kind of other problems before. So I got worried the new login thing where they want you to login to stream your games might be interfering. (Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, haven't tried all that yet)
In any case, it was working great again.
~Troop
Can not find pc
Hi,
I was not able to make this work - i created wirtual hotspot on my msi ge70e laptop and connected with my shield tablet. Either shield hub or moonlight can not find pc.. But (if it is sign of anything) i am able to run local splashtop (laptop is not connected to the internet), so i would guess that some kind of lan connection must be working between the two.
Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you
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I wonder if anybody could help me? What it is, is that I am disabled. My fingers are paralysed, and so working the intricate parts of the XDA is quite difficult. It is not impossible, but it is hard.
I also have several friends who are in the same situation as me. 12 months ago they were given xda 2 each for free. None of them have used them much because they are difficult to use, because they are stuck in their ways, and because I don't think they really realise the full potential of these little devices. It has took me 12 months to get hold of one of these, but just within a few days I'm quite bowled over with the potential.
So I wonder if somebody would be prepared to lead me through making the most of my XDA, with my disabilities, so I can also share this knowledge with the other disabled guys who also have this Pocket PC?
The first thing I want to do is set up the basic software, to maximise connectivity with my home network. I have already started this, and had some help in this direction on this forum, but I am still a bit stuck.
I have loaded this Pocket PC software onto my xda 2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=17410&highlight=jojo . I have windows XP on my desktop computer. This is hardwired to a 3Com wireless router. I have bought a SDIO wireless LAN card. When you install the software, it virtually sets its self up, the connection displays itself, you select it and have a choice between a Internet connection or a work connection. If I choose work, I am able to connect to the Internet and surf the Internet, but I am not able to do an active sync. I have gone into my start menu/settings/connections/network card/network adapters/socket WLAN SDIO V1 driver /name server and set the WINS to the IP address of the computer I want to connect to as somebody suggested to me, but it doesn't work. I also cannot see the other shared directories on my computer's on the network. (I do have Norton security on, but I have tried these with Norton security disabled.)
Can anyone make a suggestion?
Thanks in anticipation, funny keyboard.
Joined this site a while ago, and needless to say, I've been literally blown away by it. The members of this site are just incredibly talented; I've been able to make my 8525 look and function just fantastic, and just about any fix/patch I've been able to locate through this site.
Currently using Custel WM6 rom and it's so stable and faster than the WM5 I had (though it was so hard to choose with so MANY excellent cooked roms to choose from)...
So, since it seems there's no limit to what can be done with these great devices, I was wondering if it is at all possible to use an 8525 to connect an Xbox 360 to Xbox Live?? I am able to connect using Internet Connection Sharing via USB to my laptop running Vista Ult. and get great surfing speed, so is there any way to somehow configure it to get the 360 to connect to Live through it? Could the 8525 be connected directly to the 360 (prob not likely) or can it be set up using the laptop to share the connection??
Any help/answers on this would be greatly appreciated!!!
I may be wrong, but I don't think that this is possible.
As far as I know, the xbox has no bluetooth pan support, and I don't think it is possible to have an USB modem directly setuped.
The remaining possibilities are: through the RJ45 or through the wifi. Sadly the hermes has no RJ45 connector, and it is unable to become an acces-point nor an add-hock host.
I just wanted to say that the idea of using a Hermes to connect an xbox 360 to xbox live would be just about the coolest thing ever done with a cell phone.
Is it possible to connect a 360 to XBL via a PC/laptop?
Dammit!!
Well, was worth a try, especially before tangling myself in wires trynna wing it... Guess I will be calling those Optimum guys for my XB Live fix...
Precisely what I was thinking. Was sitting here surfing using the phone as a modem, getting great speed, then thought, 'hey it would be cool as f%#$# to connect to Live with this...' I mean, I know the 8525 could probably handle it... The question is, what CANT this phone do?!
HOLLIDAY1183 said:
Joined this site a while ago, and needless to say, I've been literally blown away by it. The members of this site are just incredibly talented; I've been able to make my 8525 look and function just fantastic, and just about any fix/patch I've been able to locate through this site.
Currently using Custel WM6 rom and it's so stable and faster than the WM5 I had (though it was so hard to choose with so MANY excellent cooked roms to choose from)...
So, since it seems there's no limit to what can be done with these great devices, I was wondering if it is at all possible to use an 8525 to connect an Xbox 360 to Xbox Live?? I am able to connect using Internet Connection Sharing via USB to my laptop running Vista Ult. and get great surfing speed, so is there any way to somehow configure it to get the 360 to connect to Live through it? Could the 8525 be connected directly to the 360 (prob not likely) or can it be set up using the laptop to share the connection??
Any help/answers on this would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Just tried it. Plugged it in and enabled Internet Connection Sharing, and the phone starts charging, but says "Check USB Connection" I'm not much of a hacker, so I can't attempt any driver\software hacks to get it working. You'd probably have to write a driver for the XBox to recognize the phone, and possibly vice versa. Definitly possible. Probably never going to happen though.
I'm doing it now. I connected the 8525 by USB to my computer. Then I open up the Internet Sharing program that uses the phone as a USB modem (I'm using Black Majic ROM btw). Then I select connect on the program on my 8525. Once it connects, I go to my Network Connections on my PC. I have the RJ-45 connected from the XBOX 360 to the ethernet port on my PC. I click once on the connection that says Local Area Connection # (mine is 13, everyones would be different) Windows Mobile Based Internet Sharing Device, then I hold Ctrl on my PC keyboard and click on the other connection (the one for my ethernet port). Once both are highlighted, you can right click on either one and select Bridge (I believe thats the one, anything that says Bridge on it) and let Windows bridge the connections and you should be set. Sorry if my explaining isn't very good.
Via a PC it should indeed be not an issue (as explained above).
To do it directly, it should work with an ethernet-bluetooth bridge. I'm
using 2 ethernet-wifi bridges to connect a TV and a PC to a wifi router,
but I'm pretty sure ethernet-bluetooth bridges also exist.
Jörg
Wow, according to drodri I was pretty close to having it right before... I will try that setup in a sec... also, is there a way to incorporate my wireless-G linksys router into this, or no? Is that in Vista?
I appreciate your input... I've done exactly the same as your setup, and when I go into Network Connections, it has the 8525 listed as Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device (Internet Connect #5) & the ethernet connection as Local Area Connection (Unidentified Network)... In the Network and Sharing Center, do I make the ethernet connection Private, or leave it Public? Or does it matter at all... because it still for some reason won't connect to Live, it still fails the IP test... there must be a setting or configuration I'm missing here, I just know it
You could also possibly use an ethernet to wifi device (wireless access point) to go from ethernet to wifi on the 360, then use a wireless network to the TyTN (ad-hoc mode rather than ap mode) and use that to run the connection..
but..
a) its an expensive way to do it
b) it needs extra hardware
c) it may not work (can the tytn do ICS over wifi rather than usb? DUN mode may work on the newer roms that will have it - but does DUN work over wifi)
d) the access point would need to initiate the connection to the phone while also doing dhcp for the xbox.. it should work.. and id try it for you.. except that it seems like a horribly complex way to do it.
Hmm... maybe I'll give it a shot.
Where there's a will, there's a way
I think the ideal goal here would be straight from 360 to Hermes. USB or wifi, with a small adaptor if needed. It would be beautiful if someone could write drivers so you could just plug 'er in with USB and use the built in Internet Sharing on the Hermes.
Obviously those are high hopes, and in a perfect world everything would automatically work like that. *drools over universal compatibility*
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I think the ideal goal here would be straight from 360 to Hermes. USB or wifi, with a small adaptor if needed. It would be beautiful if someone could write drivers so you could just plug 'er in with USB and use the built in Internet Sharing on the Hermes.
Obviously those are high hopes, and in a perfect world everything would automatically work like that. *drools over universal compatibility*
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For USB The problem is the driver would have to be on the 360.. it's 100% impossible.
Even if you can run unsigned code on your 360, you'd also have to be some kind of coding,hardware modding, hacking junkie to even try to write a 360 driver; on top of which to do it for a crazy reason like interfacing to one mobile phone... that would be die hard madness!
Microsoft on the other hand could probably whip it up in 5 minutes as the xbox already supports everything that's needed except an RNDIS driver to enumerate the phone as a network card. Problem being the target audience is small; possibly even just you guys
Wifi is more likely to happen as you dont really need to modify the 360, if someone wrote a driver to make the phone look like a wireless AP (if thats possible with its wifi chipset) and assuming ICS on WM6 supports wifi connection to the PC/360 (im not sure it does) then it should work fine. (Has anyone checked if the 360 wifi adapter can support a connection to non-ap ad-hoc wifi? if it can then this might work already if you very lucky - i dont have the wifi link for my 360 or id try it)
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.......if someone wrote a driver to make the phone look like a wireless AP (if thats possible with its wifi chipset) and assuming ICS on WM6 supports wifi connection to the PC/360 (im not sure it does) then it should work fine. (Has anyone checked if the 360 wifi adapter can support a connection to non-ap ad-hoc wifi?....
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Does anybody know if there is already software to make the Hermes a WiFi-Router or make ICS make select WiFi?
I'm going to try this tonight with my regular xbox
There are already instructions on this forum for using your device as a wifi access point. It seems pretty straight-forward. So you should be able to connect any wifi client, including a wifi capable Xbox 360.
8525 / Hermes wifi AP
Hey, I actually did something similar since I didn't want to buy a $100 wireless adapter. I have a PC (but can be done with a laptop) with a wi-fi connection near my 360 all I had to do was use a patch cable to connect the PC to the 360. I am running vista, but Patch cables are hardware that tells the network card they are attached to a like device. It automatically shared my connection and we were able to go on-line. There were other ways I found that suggest changing router settings and such, but this was the easiest way. All you need now to use your phone to get your 360 on-lin is a computer
Hey Everyone,
I've seen posts about problems with YouTube constantly buffering on HQ and have tried every possible solution I've seen, but I'm still having issues. I am hoping someone can help me.
HERE'S WHAT IS INTERESTING... when I use my phone as a hotspot (T-mobile HSPA+) and connect my N7 to it, YouTube works absolutely fine, no buffering at all! What is up with that? The internet at my house is fast (Verizon Fios) and I can stream and play everything fine on my N7 except for YouTube videos. But, once again... YouTube works fine when I connect my N7 to my phone's much slower wifi hotspot! So, obviously YouTube (both the app and web browser have the problem, but the app seems a little worse) has a problem with my home internet connection. Does anyone have any ideas on how to diagnose and fix this? I've tried rebooting the router. The Verizon Fios box is a kind of "all in one" device, so I can't swap out another router. Is there any settings I can try, either on my N7 or somehow on the router itself (don't know much about routers)? Any ideas? The Nexus 7 is such a great device for watching videos, etc... it's really aggravating to not be able to watch YouTube videos on it.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Mebborne
You're not the only one buddy. It happens to me as well. It's really annoying. When I watch YouTube videos on my PC it's quick and on the n7 you know..
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I don't think its the device's fault but rather the application.
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You're not the only one buddy. It happens to me as well. It's really annoying. When I watch YouTube videos on my PC it's quick and on the n7 you know..
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I don't think its the device's fault but rather the application.
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Thanks for the reply. I definitely realize that I'm not the only one. But, why does YouTube work absolutely fine on my N7 when I tether it to my phone (a much slower connection)? This means that YouTube CAN work on the N7. It just doesn't like some routers apparently, or something like that. And why does YouTube work fine for some people and not for others on the N7?
I doubt this is the problem, but your neighbors could be using the same channel as your WiFi. So their WiFi interferes with yours. You can download an app called WiFi analyzer. It will show you the channels you and your neighbors are using. It will also show you better channels than what you are on. You then go to the IP address of your router and change your channel.
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rebill said:
I doubt this is the problem, but your neighbors could be using the same channel as your WiFi. So their WiFi interferes with yours. You can download an app called WiFi analyzer. It will show you the channels you and your neighbors are using. It will also show you better channels than what you are on. You then go to the IP address of your router and change your channel.
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Could be. Could even be microwave ovens or portable phones/base stations if the WiFi link is using 802.11b or 802.11g (or even 802.11n, depending), as they also overlap the same ISM bands that B and G use.
Resolving performance problems (as opposed to gross connectivity issues) is tedious work - the root of the problem can be in a very large search space.
With enough packet sniffing (tcpdump or Wireshark) you can sometimes ferret out network performance problems; but it's not for the faint of heart. Your eyes will bleed from looking at raw packet data without purpose-built tools. You have to follow the data where it goes, too - you don't know if the problem is delays as a result of small % of packet loss, or something more twisty than that. If the cause is a small % of packet loss, you would be looking for TCP segment retransmissions by the server, or duplicated ACKs from the client (tablet). The will occur along one link (e.g. WiFi) but much less frequently along a different link.
Sometimes problems can be detected by just looking at gross statistics on each network interface (e.g. /sys/class/net/wlan0/statistics/* on the tablet versus something equivalent on the router) - even easier to do if you can manage to clear the counters without rebooting as you can then run a "youtube test" right after clearing them to see if the drop/error counts are actually happening when you are using the app. Either that or just collect them twice (immediately before and after the youtube test) and use subtraction.
The OP might be able to prove it's not his ISP link if it is possible to use a OTG+USB Ethernet nic plugged in to the N7 (use ethernet to his home router instead of wireless), but I can't say I've tried this myself, and I suppose he probably would prefer not to spend money solving the problem if it can be avoided.
There are some tcpdump-based tools such as "Shark for Root" on the market. Not that using the phone itself for sniffing will be all that easier, but setting up a wireless sniffer is even harder and more expensive, and since the OPs router is an "all-in-one" box, the only way to intercept traffic off of it will be if it's admin tools allow you to dump traffic to a designated ethernet port. Not typical for consumer devices, but who knows.
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... when I use my phone as a hotspot (T-mobile HSPA+) and connect my N7 to it...
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To the extent that the YouTube app is unaware of which interface it is getting it's data from, that's a demonstration right there that the problem is probably not the N7 or the YouTube app. Could be your ISP or your home network.
Out of curiosity - does your phone do WiFi tether in Infrastructure Mode, or is this a USB tether? (afaik, the N7 doesn't work with ad-hoc WiFi tether... unless you've got some tricks up your sleeve).
hope some of that helped
I've also been having this issue since i got my N7. It happens on every single WiFi network I'm on. Using the web based YouTube doesn't help either. I was getting so aggravating today that i almost threw my tablet across the room.....
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rebill said:
I doubt this is the problem, but your neighbors could be using the same channel as your WiFi. So their WiFi interferes with yours. You can download an app called WiFi analyzer. It will show you the channels you and your neighbors are using. It will also show you better channels than what you are on. You then go to the IP address of your router and change your channel.
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Thanks for trying to help! I tried the app you mentioned and experimented with changing channels accordingly. At first, I thought it may have been helping, but soon it came back the same. I do appreciate the help though!
bftb0 said:
Out of curiosity - does your phone do WiFi tether in Infrastructure Mode, or is this a USB tether? (afaik, the N7 doesn't work with ad-hoc WiFi tether... unless you've got some tricks up your sleeve).
hope some of that helped
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Thank you so much for taking the time to write all that. I'm afraid most of it was above my head unfortunately. But, I'm trying to use your words to help me as I research at least
As for your question above, I think I may have used the word "tether" wrong. I just meant, when I use my phone as a wireless hotspot and connect to it on my N7 YouTube videos playback flawlessly, which seriously makes no sense. The wireless network at my house is much, much faster and I use it all the time to stream YouTube or hi-def movies to my TV (Netflix) without a hiccup. And my Nexus 7 streams Netflix as well just fine over my home network. It's just YouTube that is constantly buffering. Which would imply that it's the YouTube app... but, then why does the YouTube app stream fine when connected to my much slower phone connection? It's not making any sense!
I really appreciate you trying to help!
Thanks again,
Mebborne
Did you see this thread?
I wasn't aware of it when I responded to your post. Seems like you are in good company. I didn't read that whole thread, so I can't summarize or tell you if there are any fixes. OTOH, given the number of people saying "me too", I wonder if it is an ISP issue - purposely throttling of connections coming from youtube.
Is there a way to use android for the wifi capabilities such as a dongle? Basically my laptop only sees 2.4GHz and I could buy a dual band dongle or upgrade the network card, but my note 5 is rooted, has 2.4/5/AC capability and a usb even lol so Id think itd be possible to plug phone into pc and have pc recognize it as a wifi adapter which would allow me to analyze the network with all the capability of the phone. I can nly find results of tethering which the pc recognizes as a ethernet connection which wont enable being able to see the wifi ssids that the phone can.
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Is there a way to use android for the wifi capabilities such as a dongle? Basically my laptop only sees 2.4GHz and I could buy a dual band dongle or upgrade the network card, but my note 5 is rooted, has 2.4/5/AC capability and a usb even lol so Id think itd be possible to plug phone into pc and have pc recognize it as a wifi adapter which would allow me to analyze the network with all the capability of the phone. I can nly find results of tethering which the pc recognizes as a ethernet connection which wont enable being able to see the wifi ssids that the phone can.
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Theoretically, yes.
You would need an application on your phone and one on the laptop.
The application would take over your laptop's wifi control and hand it over to the app on the phone.
Afaik, this pair oft apps does not exist.
And I think it's not worth writing them.
USB Wifi Dongles with 5Ghz cost like 20 €/£/$.
So
Effectively, no.
I figured but really, everybody has a phone if this was an option even for 5-10$ it would be a better one then having to go out or get on amazon, read reviews and purchase a dongle that may or may not satisfy. If it was able to be done on a phone more then likely there is one with anybody that gets on a pc/laptop and if it was as easy as plugging it in to use it as a wifi dongle, not tether but an actual wifi adapter itd be like the next great thing, not like that bluetooth tethering they tried but like the end to usb wifi dongles I think anyways. Besides with all the ridiculous apps that do cost money on the play store i think somethin like this would be in the top most purchased. plus idk how the licensing works but with it actually being a internet connecting app it would be hard to crack the apk as it would be required to have full contact with whatever servers authenticate the purchase. I would think anybody that worked with networking would have it as a must have for work as its one less thing to carry and should be somewhat simple plug and go plus the countless people who are someday buying a dongle there would be no need to. Cha to the ching
Kaffeetrinker said:
Theoretically, yes.
You would need an application on your phone and one on the laptop.
The application would take over your laptop's wifi control and hand it over to the app on the phone.
Afaik, this pair oft apps does not exist.
And I think it's not worth writing them.
USB Wifi Dongles with 5Ghz cost like 20 €/£/$.
So
Effectively, no.
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I figured but really, everybody has a phone if this was an option even for 5-10$ it would be a better one then having to go out or get on amazon, read reviews and purchase a dongle that may or may not satisfy. If it was able to be done on a phone more then likely there is one with anybody that gets on a pc/laptop and if it was as easy as plugging it in to use it as a wifi dongle, not tether but an actual wifi adapter itd be like the next great thing, not like that bluetooth tethering they tried but like the end to usb wifi dongles I think anyways. Besides with all the ridiculous apps that do cost money on the play store i think somethin like this would be in the top most purchased. plus idk how the licensing works but with it actually being a internet connecting app it would be hard to crack the apk as it would be required to have full contact with whatever servers authenticate the purchase. I would think anybody that worked with networking would have it as a must have for work as its one less thing to carry and should be somewhat simple plug and go plus the countless people who are someday buying a dongle there would be no need to. Cha to the ching
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Nah, there'd be like 0 to 4 people on the planet who'd actually pay for that feature.
Cause from pro to noob, 99.99999% are fine with regular USB tethering or BT Tethering! If they have to change the wifo network, they don't need to change the Wifi network using the mouse. They just grab their phone. It can't be far, it's connected to the laptop, just follow the cable
Anyway, most people don't even know they can do something else with their phone besides Whatsapp, Facebook, Snapchat, taking pictures and dropping it cracking the screen
Already heard of a thing called routing tables? Just because something is connected to the internet doesn't mean it will reach a certain server. How do you think your Adblock works? Exactly like that
People who work with networking use ethernet cables. They have Ethernet plugs all over their workspace. They often don't usw wifi at all at work.
If you still think it's ka and ching, then go ahead, learning to program is always a good idea!
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Lol will I know for a fact itd be like, whoever made that app now has some change in their pocket and it goes jang a lang a lang. I unfortunately do not know the programming knowhows, though think I could learn it if I put myself to it, by looking at how some of them are written it looks pretty straight forward once you got the jist of it down, I just dont got that and it kind of overwhelms me trying to figure it out without any knowledge of it. But, you are right, at least without maybe google play promoting it or some type of advertising that would show it as being in place of a usb dongle it would probably get buried by the countless apps made each day which btw all are not great (some are ridiculous) yet they are there. I am sure root would be needed for an app like that, which would detract from the audience as well. but the need for usb dongles is nowhere near a thing of the past, in fact I'd say it will only become more of a thing to have especially for the ones that would rather get it instead of buying a entire new system. With technology today and the transition from wired to wireless it would be the last option for anybody that doesnt have wireless before they have to update a whole system so more then likely they will opt for the 20$ dongle. I do consider myself one of a kind and like harry potter special (joking) but if I really am the only person to have tried doing a wifi heatmap on a laptop that only had 2.4 ghz capabilities then either i am broker then everybody else or I am just not from this earth.With all of the things you are able to do with a phone, use it as a bootable usb to boot a system (drivedroid), foxfi tether, wbnr wifi hack) youd think with a few changes of the programming or combination of the 3 this would be something easily done. I take it your familiar with programming? It seems you are and thats in a compliment kind of way, none of this is in a disrespect or disagreement with you at all, i just am uninformed in the category, but how long approximately does it take to say program an app that would be like a screen mirror app or even simple notepad app? These days if given the choice of buying a 20$ vs anything above and both have the same end result the 20$ is going to fly off the shelf. Of course these arent hot cakes but in any given situation when paying for less is an option and getting the same thing is the result i mean it is hard to think it wouldnt become popular. Drivedroid lets you use phone as bootable usb, i have countless usbs but it is just so much more convenient using my phone as its usally in my pocket already and convenience is what takes the cake.
Kaffeetrinker said:
Nah, there'd be like 0 to 4 people on the planet who'd actually pay for that feature.
Cause from pro to noob, 99.99999% are fine with regular USB tethering or BT Tethering! If they have to change the wifo network, they don't need to change the Wifi network using the mouse. They just grab their phone. It can't be far, it's connected to the laptop, just follow the cable
Anyway, most people don't even know they can do something else with their phone besides Whatsapp, Facebook, Snapchat, taking pictures and dropping it cracking the screen
Already heard of a thing called routing tables? Just because something is connected to the internet doesn't mean it will reach a certain server. How do you think your Adblock works? Exactly like that
People who work with networking use ethernet cables. They have Ethernet plugs all over their workspace. They often don't usw wifi at all at work.
If you still think it's ka and ching, then go ahead, learning to program is always a good idea!
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Lol will I know for a fact itd be like, whoever made that app now has some change in their pocket and it goes jang a lang a lang. I unfortunately do not know the programming knowhows, though think I could learn it if I put myself to it, by looking at how some of them are written it looks pretty straight forward once you got the jist of it down, I just dont got that and it kind of overwhelms me trying to figure it out without any knowledge of it. But, you are right, at least without maybe google play promoting it or some type of advertising that would show it as being in place of a usb dongle it would probably get buried by the countless apps made each day which btw all are not great (some are ridiculous) yet they are there.
I am sure root would be needed for an app like that, which would detract from the audience as well. but the need for usb dongles is nowhere near a thing of the past, in fact I'd say it will only become more of a thing to have especially for the ones that would rather get it instead of buying a entire new system. With technology today and the transition from wired to wireless it would be the last option for anybody that doesnt have wireless before they have to update a whole system so more then likely they will opt for the 20$ dongle. I do consider myself one of a kind and like harry potter special (joking) but if I really am the only person to have tried doing a wifi heatmap on a laptop that only had 2.4 ghz capabilities then either i am broker then everybody else or I am just not from this earth.
With all of the things you are able to do with a phone, use it as a bootable usb to boot a system (drivedroid), foxfi tether, wbnr wifi hack) youd think with a few changes of the programming or combination of the 3 this would be something easily done. I take it your familiar with programming? It seems you are and thats in a compliment kind of way, none of this is in a disrespect or disagreement with you at all, i just am uninformed in the category, but how long approximately does it take to say program an app that would be like a screen mirror app or even simple notepad app? These days if given the choice of buying a 20$ vs anything above and both have the same end result the 20$ is going to fly off the shelf. Of course these arent hot cakes but in any given situation when paying for less is an option and getting the same thing is the result i mean it is hard to think it wouldnt become popular. Drivedroid lets you use phone as bootable usb, i have countless usbs but it is just so much more convenient using my phone as its usally in my pocket already and convenience is what takes the cake.
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Whoaaaa.... Sorry but too long to read...
Maybe THIS will convince you:
1. Almost any phone uses USB 2.0
2. Phone's USB Speed is limited due to the USB speed not being the manufacturer's priority (Ever been annoyed about the slow transfer speed of files to your PC?)
3. 2.4 GHz Wifi already gives you 54 to 160Bit/s.
That's a speed, you'll NEVER get through your USB connection.
Be really happy if you get 40 MBit/s...
4. There are... like no wifi routers which support 5GHz only.
5. There are no Laptops without any wifi except in a museum or in the big spare parts box in my garage.
Who'll buy it?
1. People who don't have wifi in their notebook?
No, they sit in a museum or they just use regular USB tethering.
2. People who want faster network connection?
No, cause it won't get faster.
3. People who are in an area with 5GHz wifi only?
No, 5Ghz only makes no sense due to its bad signal through walls. This just doesn't exist.
4. People with old hardware who have a broken wifi chip in their notebook and who can't afford a dongle?
They would use regular USB tethering. If they can't afford a dongle, they can't afford your app.
5. People with very few space in their pockets, to few to carry a thumb sized wifi dongle?
No, they use Bluetooth Tethering. They probably also have a wireless charging phone cause they also don't like to carry a cable.
6. People who are allergic to Wifi dongles or who are forbidden to buy them by their religion because the dongles aren't approved by their guru whereas mobile phones are?
Nooo, they just use regular USB Tethering. They live in the guru's house, they may not leave it, so no point in having an easier way to change the wifi network. Besides, the only laptop in the guru's home is his own, cause his followers may use the internet only once a week, so one notebook is enough for the whole lot. And Guru is rich enough to have a new notebook with integrated 5 GHz Wifi.
AND FINALLY: HOW OFTEN A DAY DO YOU CHANGE YOUR WIFI NETWORK?
ONCE OR TWICE
Use regular USB tethering and pick your fnjörpliging phone up to change the network, there's absolutely no need to have an app for that!
So, I had very much fun trolling you with facts! I even got to make a joke about a funny made-up religion.
I'm outta here
Well after that post it all kind of makes sense to me now. You either are not that informed about 2.4/5ghz radios, you live somewhere that it is not popular... yet. Not sure if you understand what heat mapper is referring to, its only the signal that matters not the speed but if speed was an issue you kept up on any tech news lately or hear of somethin called usb c? 10Gbps. 2.0 gets 480Mbps or 60MBps which would be plenty and would undoubtedly be better then usb tethering as it would have direct and complete use of the wifi connection.
So almost any phone USED to use usb 2.0, like almost any computer USED to dial up to connect, wondering if you might still be, (jk). Just like it always has and will tech changes and soon they will MOSTLY have usb-c or 3.1 and speed is out the window. And finally, r u familiar with play store and its contents? They have some quirky things that become instant hits (flappy) or this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque that you connect the phone to the cars diagnostic connection obd and has 1 million users at 4.95$ each. With your thinking all if those people would never have got that app and would use the normal regular mechanic tool to read odb errors.
And last but not least your comment was just as long as mine. And i read it, out of respect. If u want i could send you a little like 5 step process on what its all about and a song to go with it that even spells it out. all in fun and respectfully debating of course. I go to school for this stuff, not that u dont or havent but definitely was skipping the day they spoke of 2.4 and 5 and the heat mapping of each.
Which is ok, i was wondering cuz yes i am too cheap/college student to get a pc just for that 5ghz. I needed it to completely do my heatmap as the router is 2.4/5 simultaneously (prepare for that, most of them are these days wont even mention ac) but only seen 2.4. Anyways from the sounds of it you dont like to read long things which explains some things. If u do please know i say all of this in a friendly sarcastic way, with honesty behind it just definitely no disrespect more friendly joking.
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Whoaaaa.... Sorry but too long to read...
Maybe THIS will convince you:
1. Almost any phone uses USB 2.0
2. Phone's USB Speed is limited due to the USB speed not being the manufacturer's priority (Ever been annoyed about the slow transfer speed of files to your PC?)
3. 2.4 GHz Wifi already gives you 54 to 160Bit/s.
That's a speed, you'll NEVER get through your USB connection.
Be really happy if you get 40 MBit/s...
4. There are... like no wifi routers which support 5GHz only.
5. There are no Laptops without any wifi except in a museum or in the big spare parts box in my garage.
Who'll buy it?
1. People who don't have wifi in their notebook?
No, they sit in a museum or they just use regular USB tethering.
2. People who want faster network connection?
No, cause it won't get faster.
3. People who are in an area with 5GHz wifi only?
No, 5Ghz only makes no sense due to its bad signal through walls. This just doesn't exist.
4. People with old hardware who have a broken wifi chip in their notebook and who can't afford a dongle?
They would use regular USB tethering. If they can't afford a dongle, they can't afford your app.
5. People with very few space in their pockets, to few to carry a thumb sized wifi dongle?
No, they use Bluetooth Tethering. They probably also have a wireless charging phone cause they also don't like to carry a cable.
6. People who are allergic to Wifi dongles or who are forbidden to buy them by their religion because the dongles aren't approved by their guru whereas mobile phones are?
Nooo, they just use regular USB Tethering. They live in the guru's house, they may not leave it, so no point in having an easier way to change the wifi network. Besides, the only laptop in the guru's home is his own, cause his followers may use the internet only once a week, so one notebook is enough for the whole lot. And Guru is rich enough to have a new notebook with integrated 5 GHz Wifi.
AND FINALLY: HOW OFTEN A DAY DO YOU CHANGE YOUR WIFI NETWORK?
ONCE OR TWICE
Use regular USB tethering and pick your fnjörpliging phone up to change the network, there's absolutely no need to have an app for that!
So, I had very much fun trolling you with facts! I even got to make a joke about a funny made-up religion.
I'm outta here
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Also the internet provider gives you the speed not the 2.4 or the 5. And more importantly the ability to see the 2.4/5 channels is what i was needing which in a setup if you have alot of people connected to wifi by splitting it with some on 2.4 and some on 5 you would have better connectivity vs everyone on the same one. If somebody wants speed and speed alone a dongle, wifi or bluetooth wont even be on their mind , they will be hooking it directly with ethernet as thats the fastest and best option there is.
Also look in this network forum like 4 down it says usb reverse tethering and has like 600,000 views. Read that description and see if you still think this would be useless. With your logic ud have to wonder y they even have a phone in the first place. But its obviously popular. Mind/openit
Dear all,
I own an Shield TV (first generation 500gb).
Starting the console today I'm wondering as there's no wifi connection.
Checking the network settings I notice that wifi seems to be disabled. I have no idea why resp. how this could happen.
I did nothing that could be the reason for that.
Now I am wondering how I can enable wifi as it is - also bluetooth - disabled.
I read about ES File Manager to be able to enable Wifi/BT but did not manage to do so.
Additionally I tested the app "Smart Quick Settings" but after enabling wifi it directly is disabled again (automatically).
Anyone here who can help me on that issue ?
Thx in advance & kind regards,
Markus
I have the exact same issue on my shield TV as of today, so far the wifi appears to be completely broken.
Very unhappy.
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houseaddict said:
I have the exact same issue on my shield TV as of today, so far the wifi appears to be completely broken.
Very unhappy.
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My controllers work ok though, so surely the BT is ok?
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I deleted my network, couldn't get it to detect a new one. Rebooted, still same. Walked away for an hour.
Came back, wifi is there...
Sorry if that's no help.
Check date and time. Sometimes if the router is set with wrong time, the shield will get it and won't let you connect to internet.
Hey all. I am having the same issue and I see what is causing the problem. The shield is broadcasting the WIFI Direct SSID used for the controllers on the same channel my wireless router is using and it is causing a massive amount of interference. I do not think this(the poor signal quality) was intended by Nvidia as I have read articles about WIFI direct that suggest it should not interfere with the wireless AP but the fact of the matter is it does. I have searched their forums looking for a solution and I have not found one nor seen any effort by Nvidia to correct the issue. Just to get the normal response troubleshooting out of the way, I will list what I found in testing.
Here is what I have done so far to test this:
I am using 5Ghz currently. I have changed the channel to every channel my router supports. The WIFI direct signal follows.
I have tested by switching my shield over to 2.4ghz. The WIFI direct signal follows.
From this I know the system is programmed to use whatever WIFI signal the shield is also connected to for internet. It will always overlap.
I used WIFI analyzer on a tablet to watch this behavior. It is very easy to see the signal quality of whatever channel you are on degrade when the shield is turned on. When I turn the shield off, the signal quality of my WIFI network is fine. The app uses a 10 star rating when evaluating signal quality and my channel drops to 4 stars when the shield is on and is a 10 while it is off.
The problem I am looking for help with is the fact that the shield is unusable on the WIFI for anything that needs the network. Gamestream is one of its main selling points and it unusable while on WIFI. It constantly pops up a message stating high packet loss and games hiccup/freeze often. Streaming video is the same. In other forums I have found viable workarounds like network power adapters or using a wired controller instead of the Shield controllers but I am wondering if there is a way to just force the WIFI direct on the shield to use a different channel. Is there an app or secret setting in Android that would allow me to control this feature? Putting it on a totally different channel would in my mind be the easiest way to solve this problem and it baffles me that Nvidia has not already built a setting into the Shield's OS to do it with all of the complaints online about the wireless on this device. Maybe it is just not possible. Let me know if you find something. I will be looking as well.
Seeing similar behaviour - My Shield is showing a "DIRECT-" SSID and whenever this is visible my WiFi drops to unusable state.
skyj635 said:
Hey all. I am having the same issue and I see what is causing the problem. The shield is broadcasting the WIFI Direct SSID used for the controllers on the same channel my wireless router is using and it is causing a massive amount of interference. I do not think this(the poor signal quality) was intended by Nvidia as I have read articles about WIFI direct that suggest it should not interfere with the wireless AP but the fact of the matter is it does. I have searched their forums looking for a solution and I have not found one nor seen any effort by Nvidia to correct the issue. Just to get the normal response troubleshooting out of the way, I will list what I found in testing.
Here is what I have done so far to test this:
I am using 5Ghz currently. I have changed the channel to every channel my router supports. The WIFI direct signal follows.
I have tested by switching my shield over to 2.4ghz. The WIFI direct signal follows.
From this I know the system is programmed to use whatever WIFI signal the shield is also connected to for internet. It will always overlap.
I used WIFI analyzer on a tablet to watch this behavior. It is very easy to see the signal quality of whatever channel you are on degrade when the shield is turned on. When I turn the shield off, the signal quality of my WIFI network is fine. The app uses a 10 star rating when evaluating signal quality and my channel drops to 4 stars when the shield is on and is a 10 while it is off.
The problem I am looking for help with is the fact that the shield is unusable on the WIFI for anything that needs the network. Gamestream is one of its main selling points and it unusable while on WIFI. It constantly pops up a message stating high packet loss and games hiccup/freeze often. Streaming video is the same. In other forums I have found viable workarounds like network power adapters or using a wired controller instead of the Shield controllers but I am wondering if there is a way to just force the WIFI direct on the shield to use a different channel. Is there an app or secret setting in Android that would allow me to control this feature? Putting it on a totally different channel would in my mind be the easiest way to solve this problem and it baffles me that Nvidia has not already built a setting into the Shield's OS to do it with all of the complaints online about the wireless on this device. Maybe it is just not possible. Let me know if you find something. I will be looking as well.
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Same problem, ShieldTV uses the same 5g channel as my home router. I want to know how to turn off wifi on the Shield TV.
My power went out today, and now it has no wifi options at all. I can't believe no one has figured this out here after a year!
And after almost three years, I'm still struggling with this problem.
Whenever the Wifi direct SSID comes up, I can't properly stream video content anymore from my Nas.
Is there no solution / workaround for this?
Use macrodroid app ti disable WiFi and bluetooth on startup
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Use macrodroid app ti disable WiFi and bluetooth on startup
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That's not an option. I'm streaming media through the WiFi signal from my Nas to the Shield. I only want to get rid of that interfering WiFi direct signal the Shield is emitting.
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Use macrodroid app ti disable WiFi and bluetooth on startup
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Have you tried this or just assumed? It did not work for me. Do you need to root it? Please share your settings. Thanks