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Can the Admin please edit forum with restriction on which usergroups can post new topics in the dev threads, ie maybe Senior and above or people with over a certain amount of posts etc.
This would virtually stop all the questions/help etc going in the dev thread by the n00bs and also cut down on the work that mods have to do because im quite sure mods are sick of having to move 100's of topics a day in the forums (not just HD2).
Wouldn't the restriction make things much more clean and organised?
[edit] I Should have probably put this in the general forum lol (the irony)
I am a Global Moderator on our forum for FIAT automobiles (www.fiatisti.hr) and we have a restrictions for any people who not have 50 posts and do not right to write in some forums. This is a lower limit to create threads.
In this way we have a more lowest junk on forum. People doe`s not have to use search option on forum and think that is much easier way to ask some people to resolve our problem.
+1 good idea
Oh God please, this would be great. If people cant be bothered to read on their own here, I see no reason why anyone else should bother.
+2 that would be nice
TheATHEiST said:
Can the Admin please edit forum with restriction on which usergroups can post new topics in the dev threads, ie maybe Senior and above or people with over a certain amount of posts etc.
This would virtually stop all the questions/help etc going in the dev thread by the n00bs and also cut down on the work that mods have to do because im quite sure mods are sick of having to move 100's of topics a day in the forums (not just HD2).
Wouldn't the restriction make things much more clean and organised?
[edit] I Should have probably put this in the general forum lol (the irony)
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Sounds good to me, I hate having to read through useless post to get info on a new build.
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The problem with this is, people start spamming to reach the post count.
But +1 to the idea from me nonetheless.
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I do kind of see the point of this, but i became a senior member by posting in the dev forums.
sorry folks, im going against the grain on this one, simply because 'post counts' dont equal experience.
take jerryfan2000 for e.g.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865525
im sure if i remember right he was still a 'junior member' when he starting a thread about his app & he's still not a senior member, but look what he has given.
maybe an alternate solution would be some sort of pop up asking the user to confirm they are starting a thread to showcase some form of development.
then if they click yes, & continue to post cries for help then some form of restriction should be placed on them, like not being able to open a thread for 1 month.
just my 10p.
Nice example
kam333 said:
sorry folks, im going against the grain on this one, simply because 'post counts' dont equal experience.
take jerryfan2000 for e.g.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865525
im sure if i remember right he was still a 'junior member' when he starting a thread about his app & he's still not a senior member, but look what he has given.
maybe an alternate solution would be some sort of pop up asking the user to confirm they are starting a thread to showcase some form of development.
then if they click yes, & continue to post cries for help then some form of restriction should be placed on them, like not being able to open a thread for 1 month.
just my 10p.
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kam333 said:
sorry folks, im going against the grain on this one, simply because 'post counts' dont equal experience.
take jerryfan2000 for e.g.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865525
im sure if i remember right he was still a 'junior member' when he starting a thread about his app & he's still not a senior member, but look what he has given.
maybe an alternate solution would be some sort of pop up asking the user to confirm they are starting a thread to showcase some form of development.
then if they click yes, & continue to post cries for help then some form of restriction should be placed on them, like not being able to open a thread for 1 month.
just my 10p.
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Important and helpful threads like that can be moved. At least lesser clutter.
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we an make an option if a juniour member wants to open an important thread to pm a moderator with it's topic
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we an make an option if a juniour member wants to open an important thread to pm a moderator with it's topic
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That actually wont work, that would if anything overload all the mods with posts or PMs asking for this and that.
I too agree about the useless posts to get post counts up, But not to cause any rift at all, but im going to go against this as well like kam333 about post counts or even being a senior member, and the reason is upper level people are just as guilty of doing this as well. The only difference is they have the ability to move their posts after they have it seen. If you take this post for example:
Moved: [REQUEST]FULL Desire HD TMOUS Nand Build-NOT Squashed or Stripped Down-I WILL PAY $$
Originally Posted By: dharvey4651
This was posted on the NAND Development forum, to get attention, and then was moved by the poster (obviously a mod) to the HD2 Android General Discussion form.
Personally do I feel thats right too? No, That to me is abusing your power as a mod.
If anything, maybe limit junior members to only be allowed to post in the general forum of each section? Like General for HD2 winmo, and General for HD2 Android, this way it limits all the places they can post to ask the same questions.
Guys im not saying that restricting it to senior and above will cut everything out, Only that it will cut allot of it out, probably 90%.
If you check dev forums on regular basis you will know that 90% of the off-topic posts that get put in there and end up getting moved are from new members.
Restricting new members to not been able to post here will help a great deal, sure some retarded senior members or maybe by simple error will post in dev but it will be a hell of allot less off-topic then it is now.
There will also be a lot of new members not able to post when it's really correct for them to do so. The only correct answer is to ignore badly posted stuff and let mods do their job.
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AngelDeath said:
That actually wont work, that would if anything overload all the mods with posts or PMs asking for this and that.
I too agree about the useless posts to get post counts up, But not to cause any rift at all, but im going to go against this as well like kam333 about post counts or even being a senior member, and the reason is upper level people are just as guilty of doing this as well. The only difference is they have the ability to move their posts after they have it seen. If you take this post for example:
Moved: [REQUEST]FULL Desire HD TMOUS Nand Build-NOT Squashed or Stripped Down-I WILL PAY $$
Originally Posted By: dharvey4651
This was posted on the NAND Development forum, to get attention, and then was moved by the poster (obviously a mod) to the HD2 Android General Discussion form.
Personally do I feel thats right too? No, That to me is abusing your power as a mod
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I 100% completely agree with this. Not only do i feel that it is an abuse of position, but that the topic itself would get any ordinary non menber in trouble. It is so close to being over the "line" it is an open abuse of the rules that everyone else has to abide by. How can it be against the rules for a dev / chef to say "pay me for xxx and i will make it for you" but NOT against the rules to say "i will pay someone to make xxx" ?
I would report the thread but somehow i doubt anything would happen.
But back to the topic in hand, some sort of limitation of posting rights *is* required but i dont think it should be based on post count (take Cedesmith for example - less than 300 posts but a very active and intelligent developer), perhaps the more elegant solution is a time based limitation? eg, you are unable to post in development threads until you have been a registerd user, and you profile is set to the current device for say, 2 weeks ?
i think that the time restriction is more viable than the post count restriction for the simple reason you aren't going to get noobs signing up just to post the question if they have to wait 2 weeks. Where as if u put a post count restriction they will just spam to reach the count required
Ricey
johncmolyneux said:
There will also be a lot of new members not able to post when it's really correct for them to do so. The only correct answer is to ignore badly posted stuff and let mods do their job.
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Did you read the topic properly, this topic is regarding the dev threads not general stuff. If they are a new member then they have no reason to post in those threads and if they are a dev then can ask a mod or admin to maybe move them into a "dev" usergroup and that way they can post.
The whole point is that we shouldnt need to ignore badly posted stuff, the dev section is simply for posting dev stuff not n00b questions.
ricey1986 said:
i think that the time restriction is more viable than the post count restriction for the simple reason you aren't going to get noobs signing up just to post the question if they have to wait 2 weeks. Where as if u put a post count restriction they will just spam to reach the count required
Ricey
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I think you are missing point slightly, Once a n00b tries posting in there and gets a message about not been allowed because its a dev forum, they are not going to purposely spam other forums just so they can post in there.
Its about restricting n00bs from accidentally posting in there because they didnt bother to read forum titles.
by the time somebody has a certain post count or has been registered member for a amount of time its less likely for them to post in a n00b question/topic in the dev thread.
I dont know, so I have to ask the question, Is there the ability to stop a noob from posting in the dev forum, but allow him to reply? One reason I ask this, is if the answer is no they wont be able to reply either, then the course of action is unjust, because if there is any bugs in a build they cant reply to the thread, if they can, then that might be an alternative, but here is another twist, as well all know post counts can go up very quickly, hence just replying "Thanks" or "I'm going to try this" counts too (Just used for examples).
But I think personally there should be another level now that I just thought of it, Like we have Senior member status, there should be a DEV status, and set the forum if possible that ONLY DEV's can post where others can reply, and if someone is a DEV they can easily PM a mod and the mod can change their status. Or if they want to contribute in the Dev forum like they made a kernel or rom, then that would constitue them to post in that forum.
You need to understand and look into vBulletin before you ask for changes to the forum. This is not going to happen.
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Hi everyone
I think we need an android q&a forum to keep this dev forum clean of spam and repetitive questions that are filling this place.
Does any body have an opinion on this?
bruce2728 said:
Hi everyone
I think we need an android q&a forum to keep this dev forum clean of spam and repetitive questions that are filling this place.
Does any body have an opinion on this?
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I believe it does not help too much since too many people can't seem to read/search the forums anyway. And they will keep on asking the same questions anyway, regardless where they are posed. I believe the non-developers should answer the simple questions so the devs can concentrate on their work.
I agree but if a new dev came along and saw the state of this forum i think they would be a put off joining in.
This is why the devs use skype and irc because this place is a mess
bruce2728 said:
Hi everyone
I think we need an android q&a forum to keep this dev forum clean of spam and repetitive questions that are filling this place.
Does any body have an opinion on this?
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if you're talking about a real forum, with different web address, it's a lot of work.
or maybe you are talking about creating a FAQ page:
if you create it here on the forum, only you will be able to edit it.
but instead, maybe you could create a WIKI page on the photon webpage, and refers to it everytime a n00b ask a question ?
http://code.google.com/p/photon-android/w/list
i don't know if you have rights to create wiki page, if you don't, ask me or codiak/tzacapaca/schlund via pm
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if you're talking about a real forum, with different web address, it's a lot of work.
or maybe you are talking about creating a FAQ page:
if you create it here on the forum, only you will be able to edit it.
but instead, maybe you could create a WIKI page on the photon webpage, and refers to it everytime a n00b ask a question ?
http://code.google.com/p/photon-android/w/list
i don't know if you have rights to create wiki page, if you don't, ask me or codiak/tzacapaca/schlund via pm
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Thanks for your input, I think a faq thread probably the best way to go, I'll put something together and post it tonight.
I think we need a personal moderator to keep threads clear of spamming.....
+1 for Q&A section,i would like to see this forum the same as HD2 one,with different sections for different OS & stuff,maybe then people won't make mess in dev section
I've sent mod a pm to request a sub-forum if he says no I will post a faq thread here, if he says yes i will post it in q&a
bruce2728 said:
I've sent mod a pm to request a sub-forum if he says no I will post a faq thread here, if he says yes i will post it in q&a
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I'm sorry I did not see this until you wrote a comment
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I'm sorry I did not see this until you wrote a comment
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No problem mate, it was needed anyway
I'm seeing two general sections on main index page but they both link to 'HD MINI General' ????
What the criterion some thread its useful and useless?.,example one membler create a topic to discuss something "how" to make this work.....,and other membler create a thread and ask what langunge and country you from?..,which thread do you think uselless and useful in that 2 kind thread..
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Im sorry to hear that your post was deleted. Well it is easy to identify if the post is useful or not. When it is informative and would help somebody to cope up with some matters, it is said to be useful. Regarding with the useless one, well in General forum, you can discuss new things, for information or just for fun like in "Show up your Homescreen", so every post are welcome but keep in mind that if there is an existing thread that will relate to what your going to post, you should not make another thread for that coz your thread will be closed/deleted unnoticed even if there are some valuable post in it. The point is YOU SHOULD POST YOUR CONCERN IN THE RIGHT THREAD, IF THE THREAD DONT EXIST THEN CREATE ONE. SO BEFORE POSTING TRY SEARCHING FIRST.
@ OP: i guess i've already answer to your question in the other thread but it seems to me that you are hard to understand, ok here we go:
X person make a "Synaptic" thread at 22 June
Y persone make a "Synaptic" thread at 24 June
You make a "Synaptic" thread at 26 June
I take all relevant posts from 26 and 24 June threads and i copy them to 22 June thread and then i delete the last 2 and then i make 22 June sticky so people don't go on to open again various "Synaptic" threads.
General Forum is made for General purpose and Q&A, it wasn't make for double topics.
There are a lot of Sticky threads where they said about "search before posting, do not spam, post in the right forum", now i'm not here to pm everyone that goes against the rules before delete theyr own thread, i already did in past and replies never came and i have a life too.
See, this is another useless thread since all your answers are in sticky threads, but i'll let this open so, maybe, this will be much clear for everyone.
I hope that now it is clear, though, if you and everyone think that we forum moderators did something wrong, well, you could contact our Administrators.
MikeChannon
egzthunder1
deedii said:
Im sorry to hear that your post was deleted. Well it is easy to identify if the post is useful or not. When it is informative and would help somebody to cope up with some matters, it is said to be useful. Regarding with the useless one, well in General forum, you can discuss new things, for information or just for fun like in "Show up your Homescreen", so every post are welcome but keep in mind that if there is an existing thread that will relate to what your going to post, you should not make another thread for that coz your thread will be closed/deleted unnoticed even if there are some valuable post in it. The point is YOU SHOULD POST YOUR CONCERN IN THE RIGHT THREAD, IF THE THREAD DONT EXIST THEN CREATE ONE. SO BEFORE POSTING TRY SEARCHING FIRST.
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thank you .. I do not mind if my thread deleted when previously there is a warning before being removed, so I can understand if my thread deleted because it violates the provisions of this forum .., i think you too might be annoyed if your thread is deleted without warning first., right?
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@ OP: i guess i've already answer to your question in the other thread but it seems to me that you are hard to understand, ok here we go:
X person make a "Synaptic" thread at 22 June
Y persone make a "Synaptic" thread at 24 June
You make a "Synaptic" thread at 26 June
I take all relevant posts from 26 and 24 June threads and i copy them to 22 June thread and then i delete the last 2 and then i make 22 June sticky so people don't go on to open again various "Synaptic" threads.
General Forum is made for General purpose and Q&A, it wasn't make for double topics.
There are a lot of Sticky threads where they said about "search before posting, do not spam, post in the right forum", now i'm not here to pm everyone that goes against the rules before delete theyr own thread, i already did in past and replies never came and i have a life too.
See, this is another useless thread since all your answers are in sticky threads, but i'll let this open so, maybe, this will be much clear for everyone.
I hope that now it is clear, though, if you and everyone think that we forum moderators did something wrong, well, you could contact our Administrators.
MikeChannon
egzthunder1
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Peace men..
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Peace
and sorry if i didn't pm you before deleting it
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Peace men..
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Rules of development section are very clear : ' if you didnt create it , then it doesnt belong in the development section .
They are to many clones of my rom / mods right now, what my team asks of other devs right now is if they want they can create mods/theme based of our work not a complete rom we will be glad to post links to these theme/mods in the OP of our rom thread .
I have already pmed some devs and will keep doing it , I am hoping some Mods will acknowledge this thread without the need for me to pm them and report the rom chefs still using our files posting it as there rom .
If you guys out there make mods on your own , we/ I am and always have been happy to be of some assistance to help you make the mods yourself , but using my EXACT ROM FILE then calling it your rom has lasted long enough
Our intention here is not to shut down anyone , we encourage variety , and its great thing for the end user to have more choices , but the truth is if you use our files and throw in a few apk and a few *.pngs its not a rom its a theme or a mod at best and it should be posted in the appropriate section that section is called themes and apps .
We have come to this conclusion as this will help clean up the dev section. and help the end user to know what they are flashing .
keep on whining and you will get 5 points for trolling and then a 2 week ban very soon following
what you are rambling about is essence of xda developeers forums and you will not win that fight
what you can do is to create own www and take your users there keepin support on forums like xda and so on but you will not win fight with the copy paste developers on xda that again is essence of this place
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rom section would need some evaluation or WORKING rating systems as stars are not doin the jazz
but only comment i get from top dogs of xda is we are working or it so casual pisof dont ask
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keep on whining and you will get 5 points for trolling and then a 2 week ban very soon following
what you are rambling about is essence of xda developeers forums and you will not win that fight
what you can do is to create own www and take your users there keepin support on forums like xda and so on but you will not win fight with the copy paste developers on xda that again is essence of this place
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rom section would need some evaluation or WORKING rating systems as stars are not doin the jazz
but only comment i get from top dogs of xda is we are working or it so casual pisof dont ask
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lmao fun reading but your plain wrong read the xda rules some rom threads have been shut down right here in the i9000 section (not by me) there is a difference between copying the mods of others or using there source .
but downloading there roms, adding a few png /swap a few apk and calling it by another name that is simply NOT development its a Theme , it doesnt belong in Development section , simple asthat
fyi this is not whining its an anouncement that says I use to accept it now I dont simple as that .
FYI it is your right to state your opinion whenever it's right or wrong ;] ive made my statement and am done with you
Can you point out which roms have copied your files?? :-D
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FYI it is your right to state your opinion whenever it's right or wrong ;] ive made my statement and am done with you
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you are done with me ? lol ? yea I asked you to come in here and state your opinion , obviously your familiar with the rules *insert sarcasm*
thank you for being done with me, it will save both of us some time as I said read the rules about the work of others ( see bold text in first quote)
fyi accusing me of trolling, I make a valid thread about a subject that is not addressed to you at all Your post in here was absolutely useless and almost of topic ( see second quote down ) so please keep your word and refrain from posting here again , thank you .
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. .....
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
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and this one is just for you :
15. Keep posts/threads on-topic
Whilst a minor amount of off-topic posting may be overlooked, the general rule is your posts / threads must be relevant to the Forum / thread in which you are posting.
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hassaan123 said:
Can you point out which roms have copied your files?? :-D
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no not pointing fingers that was not the intention, the intention is to put it outhere so that devs I havent pmed about this know how we feel about it
oftop: why do you like to use the FOR YOUR INFORMATION so much
you use it much in real life ? or what is the story behind it (you can pm me about that)
also please do not input statements i did not made mkay?
maybe calm down and read what i wrote but this time try to understand it ;] so such invasion would not happen next time you reply
anyways if you want to discuss more please use my pm
but it's the truth,sadly to mention that,but it is
Noticed my post of " Should I wait for a little bit long" regarding availability of galaxy note in US was deleted. Wonder what I did wrong.
Read the stickied thread READ THIS !!! DO NOT POST QUESTIONS IN THE GENERAL SECTION THEY WILL BE DELETED !!!
It's even written in capslock, you can't possibly miss it...
but there are so many posts asking questions in this section.
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Watch the stickied thread READ THIS !!! DO NOT POST QUESTIONS IN THE GENERAL SECTION THEY WILL BE DELETED !!!
It's even written in capslock, you can't possibly miss it...
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legender said:
Noticed my post of " Should I wait for a little bit long" regarding availability of galaxy note in US was deleted. Wonder what I did wrong.
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"Wonder what I did wrong", even if you did not use the "?", also this was a question. You are going to get banned! hehe
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No one is going to get banned for politely asking a question. We are enforcing the 'no question' rule in General now, however. I had the Q&A section added as soon as the rules allowed, please use it! We are moving questions into that forum as we post