I'm a big fan of using Llama to automate my phone based on where I am. It does this by using cell phone towers so it can determine your location without using GPS, but accurate enough for the purpose of know if you're at home or work. However, since the update, it seems like Llama can no longer determine what cell towers it is connected to. If I define a new area, and tell it to start training, it still doesn't register any cell towers. Does anyone else use Llama and have any similar experience?
I use Tasker and had a similar issue. I had to enable a setting called "Use New Cell API." Anything like that in Llama?
Not that I can see. I sent an email to the developer, hopefully I will hear back.
No response from the dev yet, anyone have any other thoughts?
dyrnych said:
I use Tasker and had a similar issue. I had to enable a setting called "Use New Cell API." Anything like that in Llama?
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No response from the dev yet, anyone have any other thoughts?
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I have wrote several times to Llama developer about reports and bugs and he never wrote back, so I guess he is not working anymore on the project or he just doesn't care. We have 2 options from this point of view, stick with Llama or pay Tasker.
I had sent a message to the dev and hadn't received a reply either. From what I can tell, the recent OTA disables the 1x antenna, which is what Llama uses to detect nearby towers. If you turn off Advanced Calling, your phone immediately detects 1x signal, and Llama starts detecting towers again. This issue appears to be tied to an "unknown network" issue a lot of people have been experiencing after the OTA (Settings>About Phone>Status>Network (listed as unknown). A post on Motorola's forum mentioned Moto was aware of the issue and would fixed next update. Hopefully Lollipop will give us the best of both worlds: Advanced calling and a Llama that works.
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I have wrote several times to Llama developer about reports and bugs and he never wrote back, so I guess he is not working anymore on the project or he just doesn't care. We have 2 options from this point of view, stick with Llama or pay Tasker.
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Write a scathing review. Developers see those and can reply to them.
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Write a scathing review. Developers see those and can reply to them.
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I was tired of trying to contact him, I have write to many app developers to the mails directly from the Play Store, and they always answer; from my point of view, Llama is now dead.
I noticed that Llama stopped working for me too after the update. I have not enabled Advanced Calling and my phone is definitely detecting local 1x Antennas as I can see under Settings > About Phone > Status > Network type and strength. However, Llama can not seem to detect any towers at all any more. Bummer.
I am a power Tasker user, but preferred Llama for location based stuff. I wouldn't be too hard on the dev though. Llama is completely free - it's more of a hobby for him than anything else. He makes no money and is not a company - just a guy with a knack for Android. So I'm sure he's got other things higher on his priority list than dealing with one specific phone's issue...
I agree, I don't hold it against the Llama developer since it is free. In tasker, does it do location based tasks the same as llama? By using cell towers rather than GPS? I'd like to know before purchasing it. Why do you use llama instead of tasker for location based things?
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I'm a big fan of using Llama to automate my phone based on where I am. It does this by using cell phone towers so it can determine your location without using GPS, but accurate enough for the purpose of know if you're at home or work. However, since the update, it seems like Llama can no longer determine what cell towers it is connected to. If I define a new area, and tell it to start training, it still doesn't register any cell towers. Does anyone else use Llama and have any similar experience?
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It's simple.. Llama has nothing to do with it.. Verizon screwed everyone up after the update... Here's what the problem is..
With location settings, you have either one of 3 options,
- High Accuracy: Uses WiFi, Cell Tower and GPS to determine your location.
- Power Saving: Uses WiFi, and Cell Tower to determine Your location.
- Phone sensor only: Uses GPS only to determine your location.
Well, most of us use either the high accuracy or the power saving option for location services simply because we can't rely on GPS alone especially indoors where satellite coverage will always be weak or unavailable..
So what happened after the new update?
WiFi no longer contributes to improving the location accuracy. Only Cell tower now is doing this job...
How does that affect us?
WiFi provides accuracy up to a few meters (usual home and office WiFi AP coverage range.) After the update, the WiFi contribution to location accuracy stopped and now we're stuck with only Cell Tower and GPS.
So if you're indoors, GPS will not be available and phone will only use Cell Tower to provide location information to all apps requesting the location. Accuracy in this case will be up to kilometers (usual cell tower coverage range) and apps like Llama which need more accurate information to perform cetain tasks, will not be triggered to peform these tasks at all.
Workaround until the problem is fixed: Change all location triggers in Llama to rely on wifi connection to certain access points rather than location (e.g. instead of work location as a trigger you can use your work WiFi as a trigger.) But this will mean that you have to always connect to those wifi networks..
I hope verizon fixes the problem soon and we have our location accuracy fixed.
I hope this helps.
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So if you're indoors, GPS will not be available and only Cell Tower will provide location information to all apps requesting the location. Accurace will be up to kilometers (cell tower coverage range) and apps like Llama which need more accurate information to perform cetain tasks, will not trigger these tasks at all.
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I'm not sure if that is the case. In Llama, you train it what cell towers can be seen in a given location. I have an action set up in Llama to turn off wifi when I leave my house, and turn it on when I get home. So once I hook up to a cell tower it knows I can see from home, wifi comes on. So that location capability is only using the cell towers, and not wifi. And yet, that doesn't work. If I try to train llama for a new location, it doesn't even see any cell towers.
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I'm not sure if that is the case. In Llama, you train it what cell towers can be seen in a given location. I have an action set up in Llama to turn off wifi when I leave my house, and turn it on when I get home. So once I hook up to a cell tower it knows I can see from home, wifi comes on. So that location capability is only using the cell towers, and not wifi. And yet, that doesn't work. If I try to train llama for a new location, it doesn't even see any cell towers.
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I beg to differ.. in android 4.3 and above, apps can use WiFi location even if wifi is completely off. You'll find in the advanced WiFi settings this option.
I'm sure that Llama still uses your wifi location to improve location accuracy regardless.
And, for the sake of testing you location accuracy changes, you can open your google maps while you are on "power saving" location settings and check the accuracy (the blue circle around your location). Compare that with an unupdated phone or another phone and you'll see the difference.
I have had the chance to go to other countries after the update (roaming was used with network other than verizon and problem persists.)
So i still believe it's a location accuracy issue and not a cell-tower-not-recognized issue.
I have using Llama for awhile now and I think I may have the same problem.....
I am not sure how or why, but now Llama does not detect cell towers at all. So far, in two hours, it only detected 1 cell signal. It used to poll every few minutes. Now, it does not. I tried to decrease the polling time but nothing has changed.
I am quite confused.
Have same here, it do not poll fo cells anymore.
For problems above, you can determine location on llama on wifi too in experimental features (wifi Network or MAC adresses of AP) before i updated to 5.1 i had location fixed with small areas and big areas, big areas localized with cells and small by wifi, i moved my all tasks conditions and areas to new Phone, and it is working, but not perfect like it use d to be, Works fine, doing What it should...
i need the tower location to turn on my wifi.....
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I searched through ten pages of returns on google looking for anything related to this and couldn't find it here, so I don't think it has been discussed here before. So here goes...
Does anyone think the wifi based location determination actually works on the G1? I guess I imagine that it would work like this. In the office where I work, there are a couple of 802.11 wireless networks. And once I go inside the building with my phone,the GPS quality goes to crap since it is indoors--no surprise there. It can literally be off by BLOCKS, perhaps a half mile or more after I've been inside for a while. I would like to think that the phone would somehow know that, OK, I don't have a decent GPS signal, so let's see if I can get a decent wifi location. Sure, it's not going to tell me what room in the building I am in, which GPS would be able to do if there wasn't a roof on the building, but I am OK with that. I just want the locale app to know what building I am in. So now I have to make circles of about a half mile in radius (a mile in diameter) to be sure my location in locale doesn't look like I've left and gone to the default profile since the GPS accuracy decreases once you go inside a building and it starts looking like you are hopping all over the place.
So, where does the Wifi database live? On a google server or is it a third party? How can I test it to see how accurate it is--both in terms of feet and inches and in terms of completeness of the database? Can I add new wifi access points to the database? How can I see, for instance, if my home access point is in the database? What happens if I move and take my access point with me? How do I update the database?
The phone uses two methods to determine geolocation-- a-gps and cell tower triangulation. No wifi-based methods are used.
That's interesting because when you go to Settings-->Security & location, you can see the setting for "Use wireless networks" under "My location sources". The secondary text says "Location determined by wi-fi and/or mobile networks", so it sure does look like it uses WiFi for positioning. Not that I doubt you, but you have to admit, the setting in the phone sure is misleading then.
I hate it when I do this. Look what I just found:
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/01/skyhook-location-sdk-for-android.ars
Definitely makes one think it isn't wifi positioning isn't built into the phone.
The description text is a little misleading yes. Perhaps it's general all-encompassing text. I imagine at some point there will be Android devices without cellular radios that could benefit from wifi positioning. As it stands however wifi positioning is just not very robust. It only works in areas with wifi networks (great if you're lost in a suburb, bad if you're lost in an industrial complex).
Anyway out-of-box, Dream only uses cellular positioning (which is surprisingly accurate) and A-GPS.
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Could anyone please explain the various settings for GPS in the "settings" menu (under "location")? I find that the manual and tooltips are not very informative.
Particularly, I don't understand the difference between the first choice ("wireless networks"?) and the third choice ("assisted GPS"). I understand that the phone may use wifi or mobile network to detect my position (instead of or in addition to GPS satelites), but I don't know which of the two options to choose for this.
Also: When I enable "wireless networks", what does the warning that pops up mean? It mentions that data will be collected even when no software (GPS/map) is running. What is that? And what is the difference between enabling this and the fourth option ("share with google")?
Finally:
Does your GPS immediately start working when you enable it? Myself, I need to enable/disable GPS using the desktop widget and the various GPS settings several times before it managess to find my location. (My position is not the problem - once detected/connected, it works fine.) I still don't understand which combination of settings it is that finally makes the GPS work as expected.
As I understand the first option "Wireless Neworks" will rely entirely on data from Cell Towers e.t.c to determine your position. I guess this will be less accurate.
"Assisted GPS" enables your device to get a faster lock on your location by collecting available data from cell towers first before using the GPS receiver.
I think if you were only to activate the GPS in some circumstances it would take a lot longer to get a fix.
"Share with Google" just allows the gears addon within the browser to share your position with google allowing them to return results based on your location.
That's my take on those options.
"Wireless Neworks" - is using cell towers and wifi to locate you.
Probably they have (or use a 3rd party DB) for that. Anyway, is not (very) accurate.
"Assisted GPS" - i'm not 100% sure but i think is connecting to a location server to get the location of the GPS satellite so, will lock faster (at least this is what my Nokia 5800xm is doing).
The warning message you get is because google will (most likely) use your location (cell towers and wifi spots) to create and update their own database so, phones without GPS will still be able to use google maps.
Well, they probably do something more with that data but who knows what
I just wanna add that using any type of assistance for the gps chip in this phone is (in my personal oppinion) unnecessary. I am sitting inside my house, in my bed(with a window behind me) an in 10sec i get fixed on 10 satellites. Not much that can beat that ;-)
in addition, i am in the bottom floor in a 2floor house so it is alot of roof and cealing between me and the sky.
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Thanks for your replies. Much appreciated.
Just curious - which app do you use to monitor GPS satelites?
Also, does everyone's GPS find your location rather quickly after enabling GPS? I usually get the message "Your current position is temporarily unavailable", I retry, same result, I retry, same result ... Only after I disable/enable GPS several times, my position can be found.
My GPS usually finds my position rather quickly first time I switch on GPS. I have aGPS (Assisted GPS) enabled too, this way your phone gets help on locating the sattelites position from your mobile provider, hence locking onto GPS signal faster (is to my understanding).
Plus, if you're standing in an area with tall buildings, your position will be less accuratelly pin-pointed, bouncing GPS signal and all.
I'm using GPS test by chartcross ltd. Avalible in the free android market, and i really like it!
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I never turned on A-GPS on this phone. There is no need for A-GPS.
This phone have fastest GPS fix of all phones.
I have noticed when I am running on 3G (H) I get the "location temporarily unavailable" notice, but if I force it to not go to 3G it will be E and I get my location. This holds true if I have setting for using GPS or not.
This seems to be a problem with Google Maps using the data transfer method of 3G (H) versus E.
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Does aGPS require you to have a cellular data connection in order for it to work? Or will it work with any internet connection (eg. using my laptop's connection through wifi)? I'm asking because I don't have a data plan (yet), and my phone has locked only _once_ since I bought it a month or so ago. I've tried switching to MS based in LbsTestmode, changing the supl server to supl-google-com and supl-nokia-com (can't post links yet).
The one time it did lock was when I was testing the GPS without an internet connection, and I entered a WiFi covered area and it suddenly locked (5-10m accuracy). It wasn't WiFi-based positioning because it was my laptop's WiFi hotspot. And I was using the default settings at that time (www-spirent-lcs-com, Standalone mode). Since then I've tried different combinations of settings but it hasn't ever locked.
Another question: What's the difference between MS based and MS assisted modes?
My phone is an I9000 Galaxy S.
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Does aGPS require you to have a cellular data connection in order for it to work? Or will it work with any internet connection (eg. using my laptop's connection through wifi)? I'm asking because I don't have a data plan (yet), and my phone has locked only _once_ since I bought it a month or so ago. I've tried switching to MS based in LbsTestmode, changing the supl server to supl-google-com and supl-nokia-com (can't post links yet).
The one time it did lock was when I was testing the GPS without an internet connection, and I entered a WiFi covered area and it suddenly locked (5-10m accuracy). It wasn't WiFi-based positioning because it was my laptop's WiFi hotspot. And I was using the default settings at that time (www-spirent-lcs-com, Standalone mode). Since then I've tried different combinations of settings but it hasn't ever locked.
Another question: What's the difference between MS based and MS assisted modes?
My phone is an I9000 Galaxy S.
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Correct me if i am wrong, but as i know aGPS doesn´t need any Data Connection to make the triangulation between the GSM Antennas. So no need for Internet Connection to use aGPS.
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Correct me if i am wrong, but as i know aGPS doesn´t need any Data Connection to make the triangulation between the GSM Antennas. So no need for Internet Connection to use aGPS.
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AFAIK aGPS is different from cellular triangulation. It refers to downloading satellite information from a server for a quicker fix.
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AFAIK aGPS is different from cellular triangulation. It refers to downloading satellite information from a server for a quicker fix.
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I thought it would make a triangulation between the next availabe antennas in range and get over a dedicated channel (not data channel as mentioned above) localisation informations. Because my Nokia N80 had aGPS but not real GPS and in the manual they said something about this triangulation.
But of course i know the download of the actual satelite coordenates from my Touch HD in Windows Mobile with a dedicated App. Just thougth it is something diferent.
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I thought it would make a triangulation between the next availabe antennas in range and get over a dedicated channel (not data channel as mentioned above) localisation informations. Because my Nokia N80 had aGPS but not real GPS and in the manual they said something about this triangulation.
But of course i know the download of the actual satelite coordenates from my Touch HD in Windows Mobile with a dedicated App. Just thougth it is something diferent.
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aGPS is a technology that downloads satellite data from agps servers at realtime (that is the time you are using the GPS): WIKI article
I guess that the app you are refering to, the one you used on the HTC, is Quick GPS. This program doesn't download satellite postition data in realtime but once in a while. (I believe the data are vallid for 48h) With Quick GPS one can still enjoy the features of aGPS while one hasn't a data connection with a aGPS server.
The Galaxy S GPS (BCM4751) seems to have both, aGPS and a sort of Quick GPS. Only the last is called LTO by broadcom. (see: http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s443754 about BCM4571 specs and see here about LTO.
aGPS uses cell tower triangulation, and information from a server, in addition to satellite radio signals, to quickly assist in determining the coordinates of a phone's location. Since cell tower sites are precisely surveyed, they are a reliable source for locational data. A data connection is required. All modern cell phones, at least here in the United States, are required to have aGPS service for use in locating a phone by emergency responders. This is a part of the E911 and is required by FCC mandate. Data is used in tracking down the phone, but it happens behind the scenes and is paid for by fees charged to cellular users on their bills for E911 compliance.
On phones that allow the user to make use of the aGPS chip, there will generally be a setting that allows you to set for E911 use only, or for what is commonly referred to as "location based services." On my Android phones, there are actually two settings, both found in Location & Security Settings. One allows for location based upon use of wireless networks, and the other allowing a fix via GPS satellites. Even with any location based services turned off, emergency responders can still find the phone. The difference being that you cannot use it.
While it is technically possible for you to use your phone's aGPS without a data connection, your chances of getting a signal are sketchy, and your chances of getting a really accurate signal are, under most circumstances, slim to none. Much of the computational work in determining your location is done by the assistance server, and guess how that information moves to and from your phone? Yep, you guessed it, data!
GPS signals sent from satellites are simply radio signals, and your local pop music radio station probably sends its signals with more force. As they are radio signals, they have to contend with everything a radio signal has to deal with, and a large percentage of that is man-made. Signals confusingly bounce off of buildings, are weakened by passing through walls and foliage, or can even be absorbed in some cases by different materials.
Some aGPS chips cannot function as stand alone GPS, and will not work at all without a data connection.
Try this, turn off your cellular radio. Make sure that your WiFi is also off. Now, fire up Google Maps and ask it to start navigation. How did it work?
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I guess that the app you are refering to, the one you used on the HTC, is Quick GPS. This program doesn't download satellite postition data in realtime but once in a while. (I believe the data are vallid for 48h) With Quick GPS one can still enjoy the features of aGPS while one hasn't a data connection with a aGPS server.
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Yeah, that i was talking about. Didn´t know this all I love this forum, you always learn more and more.
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Try this, turn off your cellular radio. Make sure that your WiFi is also off. Now, fire up Google Maps and ask it to start navigation. How did it work?
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Well, using Google Maps would not be a valid test, of course, since you need data connection to download the local map anyway. If you want to test whether data connection is requires by aGPS, you need to use an offline GPS application.
Thank you for your guys replies.
@rasmith3530: So can that data be downloaded over wifi? (My common sense says yes, just trying to confirm.) If it can, then aGPS isn't working for me at all. I see at max 2-3 satellites in LbsTestMode, without a lock on any of them.
No one said aGPS is working on SGS. They are broken and no fixes yet.
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No one said aGPS is working on SGS. They are broken and no fixes yet.
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I think you're right. The fact that there are no ephemeris and almanac data recorded for satellites let me think that it may be the case that with a certain informed guess aGPS and the advertised LTO function doesn't work on none of the firmwares.
Other people seem to have locking/accuracy problems, they can at least see those satellites. Mine normally shows 0 or 1, so I thought maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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Other people seem to have locking/accuracy problems, they can at least see those satellites. Mine normally shows 0 or 1, so I thought maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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In JM1-JG5, I had that issue (couldn't lock onto anything). Switching to JM5 fixed that..
Gah...this seemed like it was resolved for me, but now it's come back. When I have the GPS off and "Use Wireless Networks" turned on, my Vibrant (and every other smartphone I've owned in the past 5 years) has been able to use cellular location service to approximate my location. Again, I'm not talking about GPS. GPS is turned off.
This is really irritating as I use a lot of apps that require my location (weather, etc.), and I really don't want to turn on the GPS every time they need to estimate what part of the city I'm in...it just isn't necessary and takes too long. Location service is necessary for aGPS to get a quick satellite lock even if I was willing to use GPS.
It works great when I'm connect to wifi, but just using cell towers it usually either doesn't work or shows my location as somewhere I was hours ago. I'm in Chicago, by the way. Anyone else having this issue? I'm trying to determine if this is a problem with my phone or if T-Mobile's network in my area is just temporarily stupid. Thanks!
I've noticed that even with my gps turned on as long as I'm not constantly running an app that uses my location the gps will just blip on for whatever its needed for and then when you don't need it anymore its turns off, not wasting much battery.
I have noticed that my margin of error on my vibrant seems to be bigger than on my G1, but I can't fully confirm that, however I would probably turn to saying that its tmobile's issue with their towers (triangulation and all that jazz)
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I've noticed that even with my gps turned on as long as I'm not constantly running an app that uses my location the gps will just blip on for whatever its needed for and then when you don't need it anymore its turns off, not wasting much battery.
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The problem is that aGPS needs to use the location service to approximate your location...otherwise it takes a long time to get a GPS lock. Since my location service has been acting up I haven't been getting quick GPS locks anymore.
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I have noticed that my margin of error on my vibrant seems to be bigger than on my G1, but I can't fully confirm that, however I would probably turn to saying that its tmobile's issue with their towers (triangulation and all that jazz)
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Hope so. I've never had problems with other phones in this area, so I hope it's not the Vibrant. I've already had it replaced once for a bad Menu "button."
It looks like Google forced OEMs to ditch Skyhook, and, affording to this article, Samsung was involved. I wonder if Samsung scrambled to put together a quick fix before releasing the Galaxy S and this could explain the AGPS issues.
http://i.engadget.com/2010/09/17/skyhook-google-forced-motorola-to-drop-our-location-service-de/
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Isnt skyhook disabled by default? So how would this affect the GPS?
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Isnt skyhook disabled by default? So how would this affect the GPS?
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/17/skyhook-google-forced-motorola-to-drop-our-location-service-de/
Following that, Skyhook claims that Google then went after an unidentified "Company X" (likely Samsung) and forced it to drop XPS as well -- which would certainly explain why Samsung's Galaxy S phones have WiFi positioning turned off by default, unlike every other Android phone. Ouch.
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Skyhook is absolutely 100% unnecessary for a properly functioning gps. It has nothing to do with the problems on the Galaxy S devices.
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Just turn it back on. Go to *#*#1472365#*#*, application settings, scroll down to skyhook, select on. Then wifi positioning/AGPS should be on now. Its a shame its off by default.
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so what is this going to change if i enable skyhook?? should I enable skyhook??
Not sure if this is the same for everyone, but I can't seem to access the GPS settings using the *#*#1472365#*#* command - not sure when it started, but the one thing I did do between the last time I accessed the service (a few weeks back) to now is flashing the leaked firmware. Anyone else with this issue? I found the noted article yesterday and wanted to check to see if the Skyhook option was still there, and, of course, I can't tell.
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Not sure if this is the same for everyone, but I can't seem to access the GPS settings using the *#*#1472365#*#* command - not sure when it started, but the one thing I did do between the last time I accessed the service (a few weeks back) to now is flashing the leaked firmware. Anyone else with this issue? I found the noted article yesterday and wanted to check to see if the Skyhook option was still there, and, of course, I can't tell.
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That dialer code invoked a hidden app called LbsTestMode. The dialer code no longer works in the leaked ROM, but the hidden app is still there. It can be accessed by the workaround explained here, which does involve installing LauncherPro and setting up a shortcut.
Maybe Samsung rushed to market without thoroughly testing the GPS on the Galaxy phones after being told not to use Skyhook. It could have been integrated into their existing firmware. I don't know; I could be completely wrong on this, but I'm just throwing it out there to see what others think. I also can't access the GPS service menu on the new firmware. I haven't had major GPS issues to tell you the truth, but my brother has to launch GPS test to make his maps work on his Epic.
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Just turn it back on. Go to *#*#1472365#*#*, application settings, scroll down to skyhook, select on. Then wifi positioning/AGPS should be on now. Its a shame its off by default.
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Skyhook has nothing to do with aGPS. It is a non-GPS method of location service based on a map of all the WiFi routers and access points out there. The Skyhook company has a bunch of people who wardrive and collect the data to populate its database, then offers the service to carriers for a fee.
However, the same hidden utility (LbsTestMode) whose menu can be used to enable Skyhook also can be used to enable aGPS. Selecting MS Based mode instead of the default Standalone mode is what would do that. This controls the operation of the satellite based GPS, accelerating the download of certain satellite data over the network. It is entirely independent of Skyhook.
Enabling MS Based aGPS makes obvious sense. It is an established industry standard for GPS operation on cellphones. The merits of Skyhook are another question, and I don't really have an informed opinion.
Thanks for the link. You can actually do the same thing in ADW (which is what I use), just choose "Custom Shortcut" and then "Activities" and you can scroll don to LbsTestMode. I like it when solutions are right in front of my face
So do you need to leave your WiFi on all the time when enabling Skyhook? That would drain your battery even faster...
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Thanks for the link. You can actually do the same thing in ADW (which is what I use), just choose "Custom Shortcut" and then "Activities" and you can scroll don to LbsTestMode. I like it when solutions are right in front of my face
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Thanks for this, never knew I could do that with ADW
I've always had Skyhook turned off and yet when connected to my WiFi network I get a highly accurate position, even with GPS turned off. Thoughts?
jjohns63 said:
I've always had Skyhook turned off and yet when connected to my WiFi network I get a highly accurate position, even with GPS turned off. Thoughts?
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Your position would be coming from your GPS or from cellphone tower triangulation, depending on your other settings, whether you use WiFi or not.
Skyhook would looking for all the other WiFi locations around you that are in its database. Those locations might include your local WiFI router along with everyone else's if Shyhook's wardivers found it. But Skyhook would not actually connect to those WiFi sources. It would only detect them.
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Your position would be coming from your GPS or from cellphone tower triangulation, depending on your other settings, whether you use WiFi or not.
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I know this is not the case as the accuracy circle in maps covers maybe half a block, not a mile. As I said, I had disabled the GPS, and cell tower triangulation is not that accurate, especially where I am with low signal.
Skyhook would looking for all the other WiFi locations around you that are in its database. Those locations might include your local WiFI router along with everyone else's if Shyhook's wardivers found it. But Skyhook would not actually connect to those WiFi sources. It would only detect them.
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This makes sense because I tested it today without actually connecting to a network and it still found my location to the same "wifi accuracy". I had turned on Skyhook for this test. However, I'm still wondering how it was able to find my location with Skyhook turned off.
Skyhook is one company providing a service of mapping access points to locations. Google uses their own - probably picked up from Google maps car.
If you have "use wireless networks" checked under GPS - it will use this other provider (probably google) and not skyhook.
Ive turned skyhook on and off in testmode as well as trying other settings, gps is still bag of suck.Frankly i get better results with it on. Marginal though.BTW.use the lbs test mode app. It'll save you alot of headaches.
Vibrant vibrating nicely now,Kthx!