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Hi guys,
Lately ive been trying to get Android running on my HD2…
Ive successfully flashed the HD2 to android friendly ROMs, and installed versions of Android to my SD card… but I cannot get it to run.
I have read some things about needing a certain SD (file system, or a certain type of card/partion size?)… can someone please tell me if my SD card is android compatible… if I can just format it or if I need another card?
The SD card I have is a SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. I thought I heard something about needing a “Level/Class 4” or something, but I don’t know what that means.
I hope this question makes enough sense, and someone can break it down for me.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
[email protected] said:
Hi guys,
Lately ive been trying to get Android running on my HD2…
Ive successfully flashed the HD2 to android friendly ROMs, and installed versions of Android to my SD card… but I cannot get it to run.
I have read some things about needing a certain SD (file system, or a certain type of card/partion size?)… can someone please tell me if my SD card is android compatible… if I can just format it or if I need another card?
The SD card I have is a SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. I thought I heard something about needing a “Type 4” or something, but I don’t know what that means.
I hope this question makes enough sense, and someone can break it down for me.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
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your sd card is fine. I've ran many android builds off that microSD, which if I'm assuming correctly is the one that comes with the HD2. Do a full format, not quick (so uncheck that box in windows). The preferred allocation size is 32k. If that doesn't work try formatting with SDFormatter
Thanks for your reply mate.
It is the SD card that came with my HD2, but I have the Telstra Version (T9193), so im not sure if it shipped with the same SD card world-wide.
I have just done some more research on the Class/Level Numbers of these SD cards, and I think the Class/Level Number is marked on the card with a circle around it, if that’s the case I have a Class/Level 2 card.
Thanks again for your reply, hopefully once I format the card, I will have more success than I had previously had.
Cheers.
one more thing though... what filesystem should i format the card to?
cheers.
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one more thing though... what filesystem should i format the card to?
cheers.
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FAT32, always
Edit: Yes, SanDisk class 2 is the same card mine came with. I've heard of some people getting them with 2GB cards, but I think for the most part 16GB calss 2 are what most people got.
no problem, thank you for your help.
it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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i have no doubt the card i have is the card i was supposed to receive, i just wasnt sure if it was compatible with android.
cheers man.
aarons6 said:
it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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Tmous got 16gb cards. Euro got 2gb ones.
Corrections, and swift answer
Firstly, flash storage devices marked as class 2 or class 4 would have nothing to do with comptibilty. Flash storage classes are the specifications of the maximum theoretical limit transfer speeds for that type of flash storage device. Take a look at this wiki article to learn more at wiki secure digital class rating article. Next, the type of storage device needs to be specified as microSD rather than SD since they are different flash types. And lastly the proper terms for storage sizes need to be used. GB means Gigabyte which is 1x10^9 bytes or 8x10^9 bits as 8 bits=1 byte, and Gb is Gigabit. The problem doesn't lie in the syntax or intended use of, it lies in the dumbing down, so should someone be wanting to learn these things they are getting taught wrong.
And for the swift answer, no class never makes a difference on compatiblity just whether it has the suffix HC or not, which stands for High Capacity as is reserved for any storage amount of 4GB to 32GB in which case is goes to XC which stands for extreme capactity and is reserved for 64GB to 2TB(TB=terabytes). The only reason this matters is each type of suffix is actually signifying a new type of transfer protocol which requires a firmware upgrade to read the new format(key work firmware not hardware, as one example even the oldest SD card reader could read a 128GB card with a proper firmware upgrade, albiet at lower transfer rates). And the format fat32 is typically used as the standard external storage filesystem.
I hope this answers any and all questions, always remember, what your writing doesn't just apply to you and your not the only one involved. Your words reflect like a butterflies wings.
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Firstly, flash storage devices marked as class 2 or class 4 would have nothing to do with comptibilty. Flash storage classes are the specifications of the maximum theoretical limit transfer speeds for that type of flash storage device. Take a look at this wiki article to learn more at wiki secure digital class rating article. Next, the type of storage device needs to be specified as microSD rather than SD since they are different flash types. And lastly the proper terms for storage sizes need to be used. GB means Gigabyte which is 1x10^9 bytes or 8x10^9 bits as 8 bits=1 byte, and Gb is Gigabit. The problem doesn't lie in the syntax or intended use of, it lies in the dumbing down, so should someone be wanting to learn these things they are getting taught wrong.
And for the swift answer, no class never makes a difference on compatiblity just whether it has the suffix HC or not, which stands for High Capacity as is reserved for any storage amount of 4GB to 32GB in which case is goes to XC which stands for extreme capactity and is reserved for 64GB to 2TB(TB=terabytes). The only reason this matters is each type of suffix is actually signifying a new type of transfer protocol which requires a firmware upgrade to read the new format(key work firmware not hardware, as one example even the oldest SD card reader could read a 128GB card with a proper firmware upgrade, albiet at lower transfer rates). And the format fat32 is typically used as the standard external storage filesystem.
I hope this answers any and all questions, always remember, what your writing doesn't just apply to you and your not the only one involved. Your words reflect like a butterflies wings.
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Whilst your knowledge is great, the fact that you're unnecessarily bringing up an old thread from 2010 is not. I understand the need for 10 posts, and using your knowledge to help others in order to get 10 posts is the best way of doing it, but do it on new threads rather than old ones please.
Hi XDA members,
I just got my new S4 and was playing around with it until i wanted to move my files from my old phone (S2) to the S4.....
I bought the 16gb version but when I plug it in it only shows 9,22 GB how come?
I know there is space needed for the rom and such but i dont think the rom needs 7gb of space?
is there a way to get my beloved GB's?
Thanks for any response
The internal memory is never a true 16Gb to begin with. It's closer to 13 or 14. I forget the reasons why, it's something to do with manufactures misrepresenting t hings slightly. For example a 1tb hdd has only about 958gb available.
Secondly, the s4 rom is indeed massive. It's up around five to six times the size of vanilla android thanks to all the features Samsung added to it.
There are ways to mitigate the problem, the newer firmware has the ability to move apps to the external sd card and if you're rooted you can use the "folder mount" app to transfer any folder to the external.
I hope that going forward Samsung will start providing 32Gb internal as standard especially if they keep adding more "features" aka bloat. In the mean time it's what we have to deal with.
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The internal memory is never a true 16Gb to begin with. It's closer to 13 or 14. I forget the reasons why, it's something to do with manufactures misrepresenting t hings slightly. For example a 1tb hdd has only about 958gb available.
Secondly, the s4 rom is indeed massive. It's up around five to six times the size of vanilla android thanks to all the features Samsung added to it.
There are ways to mitigate the problem, the newer firmware has the ability to move apps to the external sd card and if you're rooted you can use the "folder mount" app to transfer any folder to the external.
I hope that going forward Samsung will start providing 32Gb internal as standard especially if they keep adding more "features" aka bloat. In the mean time it's what we have to deal with.
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Yeah I got myself omega rom without the bloatware but still..
oh well guess ill get myself a 32 gb sd card
So im an avid phone person as you can see from my signature and now am venturing with the S5 and actually love it so far suprisingly. What I wanted to know is how are you guys dealing with just having 16GB internal space? I think it is enough for the apps I use and since I have a 64Gb SD, there will be no media on my intneral. Just wanted to see everyone elses thougts on it.
I know back in the day you could move your apps to your SD with an app such as apps2sd but I know I saw rumors of Kit Kat killing this feature. Input?
Without the external SD, I'd doubt 16GB would be enough. But like you say, my music is stored on the external; camera stores to external. And as long as you root and run sdfix app from Google Play, permissions are the same as before.
Google are still trying to push as many users as possible to cloud storage, which has its uses but I detest the fact they are trying to kill off external SD phones in doing so.
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Without the external SD, I'd doubt 16GB would be enough. But like you say, my music is stored on the external; camera stores to external. And as long as you root and run sdfix app from Google Play, permissions are the same as before.
Google are still trying to push as many users as possible to cloud storage, which has its uses but I detest the fact they are trying to kill off external SD phones in doing so.
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Ahhh I didnt know about the add sdfix, that is exactly what I was looking for if it lets me install my apps to the external. Im going to look into it some more.
I'm using the Sandisk Ultra 64 GB Class 10 UHS 1 micro SD which is more than enough for my media needs.
My only complaint is that this specific SD has poor write speeds of only 8.77 MB/S despite the fact that Class 10 are required to have a 10 MB/s write speed. Read speeds are fine, and perform better than the advertised 30MB/S - I am getting 37MB/S read speeds.
My friend has the same SD as well as the S5 and also suffers from lower than 10MB/S write speeds.
On another note, this card seems to write at 10MB/S when its plugged straight into my PC.
I am beginning to suspect that the specific combination of the S5 and the Sandisk Ultra yields such performance.
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I'm using the Sandisk Ultra 64 GB Class 10 UHS 1 micro SD which is more than enough for my media needs.
My only complaint is that this specific SD has poor write speeds of only 8.77 MB/S despite the fact that Class 10 are required to have a 10 MB/s write speed. Read speeds are fine, and perform better than the advertised 30MB/S - I am getting 37MB/S read speeds.
My friend has the same SD as well as the S5 and also suffers from lower than 10MB/S write speeds.
On another note, this card seems to write at 10MB/S when its plugged straight into my PC.
I am beginning to suspect that the specific combination of the S5 and the Sandisk Ultra yields such performance.
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I haven't really tested the speeds out for myself but I have the same sd card.
No doubt 16 GB is enough for most people. Mind you, that's really about 12 GB of effective user space after the system files claims it's tithe.
It's tenuous for power users though. Frankly it's a crime that Samsung's so called flagship only has 16 GB when the (North American) Note3 has a default 32 GB. For myself, I like to have 20 GB+ of music alone on my phone. Yeah, it could be worse i.e. no SD card like most IOS models. But the external card speeds are abysmal compared to internal memory. There should be 32 and 64 GB models available for a flagship model.
Anyway, there is an XDA thread that does a good job of swapping the internal and external memories i.e. it designates your external card as the "internal card". You take a bit of a speed hit in exchange for 128 GB default capacity. The mod works better than the app you cited. Also note that it's a simple edit in platform.xml to revert the restrictive Kitkat permissions for the external card.
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After I reverted the permission 16GB is workable, since I can now put GPS maps on external SD, before that I had 500mb of free space left on the internal SD.
Still if you play games it's very tight, a single not-so-new game like Nova 3 takes up 2.8 GB, and it won't store the extra files on external SD either way.
I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
Bump.
A simple text report of your available space and the number of user apps you have installed, for a Samsung Galaxy S5 16B, would do!
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I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
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Your decision on 16 or 32GB may be easier than you think. To my knowledge and from my inquires into Samsung, they have not actually produced any 32GB versions yet. Someone correct me if they have one, I've been looking for a while. I haven't purchased the S5 yet because the lack of the 32GB version.
Samsung has produced several Galaxy S5 32GB variants. Specifically the SM-906K, SM-906L, and SM-906S. See http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/kt/SM-G906KSIEKTO. He is Erica Griffin compariing a SM-G906S to a regular, 16GB, S5.
On XDA developers there is active, although relatively limited, development for 32GB SM-906[K|L|S] devices. See, for example, M-G906S/K/L/ S805 Info Sharing thread (Root/CWM/Custom Rom) .
I didn't know that thanks for the information. I wish they would release it in the US.
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You can import it to the US, and other countries around the world, through a "grey importer", like www.t-dimension.com. The main limitation wtih Galaxy S5 32GB SM-906[K|L|S] devices is that the range of telephony radios (3G and 4G) might not be as ideally suited to your region as the Galaxy S5 16gb devices released in your region.
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That is incorrect. 32 GB versions have been available from the start. Unless you have the misfortune of residing in Canada or the US where the major carriers agreed with Samsung that the sales of 32 GB S3's was abysmal and as a result they have no intention of distributing 32 GB S5's in North America.
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That is correct, I'm in the US. I wish they would of disclose that up front unless I missed it also.
Thanks for the information!
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It's alright. I got the 16gb one because it was 749 dollars and the 32gb one was 999 dollars....sooo yeah....
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I got the 16gb one
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I'd be grateful if you could answer my previous post (which helps with answering the original question).
John Bentley said:
I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
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Roughly 12gb free space
38 user apps installed. 7.4gb used, 4.4gb free
ANI2 ROM, cbf finding a link, but it's on sammobile
My internal storage is pretty much just for apps and downloads because Chrome defaults the download path to internal storage. Music, movies go onto my external sd.
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Roughly 12gb free space
38 user apps installed. 7.4gb used, 4.4gb free.
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Thanks very much for the reply Hellscythe. But I'm confused about whether you have 12GB or 4.4GB free.
Do you mean that you had 12GB free at factory conditions and after 38 user apps (and various Chrome downloads) you have 4.4 GB free?
G'day
My question: is a 16GB tablet enough space?
(This I wrote so any reader can quickly see if he wants to read on or not, so: for reading comfort).
Casus:
- I am probably the last on earth who buys a tablet laugh
- I found a I think nice deal: new Xperia Z2, 16GB, with original power charge cradle, 350 EUR.
- The problem: 16GB.
- I also have a bloatware HTC One SV which refuses to take updates 'because of not enough space (and I can't uninstall any apps since it is all Google standard apps that can't be uninstalled). So that triggered my thinking:
So that makes me worry: is 16GB enough space for the OS and all the stuff apps will want to install on the internal 16GB, now and in the future?
Ellaboration:
- As is said in many threads on this forum, put in a SD card and store, music, docs etc on that. Sound thinking.
- But, as I am generally rather a noob on smartphones and apps (not on FreeBSD, 'though, so not a complete 'puternoob :angel, I have no clue which part of the storage I can't control. I mean, if every app only wants it data stored on the internal disk, and if the OS will grow from (I think 4 gig now?) to suddenly 15 gig in Android 5.0 (I understood that is comng to the Z2 too), then the external SD card will be rather useless - the apps and the OS won't use it.
Of course, I'd rather have the 32GB, but that comes in at 500 EUR, so I thought I'd try to save myself the 150 EUR and spend these on flowers for my wife instead :victory:
So, will the 16GB in all fairness be enough for the OS and all the stuff apps will want to store on it (so: data on the external SD, provided of course then the installed apps will want to 'see' the external SD for reading the stored docs/movies/music/pics)?
Thank you in advance very much for any help
Bye,
I have the 16gb one, it's enough space for me I have many large games and a bunch of apps on it and I think I don't even used up half the space. Although it depends on what you plan on using your tablet for.
One way of making sure you have enough space is to root and unlock the device that way you can install custom roms which typically are smaller than the stock one, or just uninstall the bloat that comes with stock.
I don't know where you heard that android 5 will be 15 gigs but I highly doubt that it will be that big.
For me it is not enough, i have the 16GB Xperia Z phone, and i was sick of the "Not enough space" warning, so i bought the 32GB Z2 Tablet and i couldn't be happier. I have lots of games, all the apps i need. i also enjoy emulators so i can have them plus gigs of roms, and all the media i need in a 32GB SD card.
I will never, ever, buy a 16GB device.
With sd card and root you have atleast 16 + 64 GB to use for data and also for apps. Haven't try 128 GB sd card but 64 GB works fine.
It's not much more money for double the space. Seems silly not to save up a bit longer and buy the 32gb version. You can never upgrade later and apps and operating systems get bigger and bigger.
Thank you all very much for your reply
Of course, I agree, it is better to buy 32GB when you can. But given the current price offer for the 16GB, buying the 32 GB makes 16GB more costs 150 EUR, 195 USD, more.
So 16GB for 195 USD/150 EUR; GB's, the new gold :laugh:
So I didn't say Android 5.0 will be 12GB, but, I mean: I like to buy as a not 'throw away next year'-consumer; I tend to try and use my gear for 10 years (works fine for my FreeBSD servers, used to work fine with my old Nokia's as well, I have no idea how it will turn out with smartphones and tablets).
So, given that:
IF 16GB will be useless one or two years (or three, or four) down the road, I will be forced to pay 150 EUR/195 USD more now for the lousy 16GB extra.
So that is what I am trying to find out: provided I agree user data should be stored on an external card so you can leave the internal card for the OS and apps and their config and flux data, I still have no clue how many of the OS and apps will respect this rule as well. I mean: if media app X decided it can only read the media (books, audio, vids), if it resides on the internal HDD, I am forced to move media from the external SD card to the internal HDD.
Question comes up: is there some sort of mandatory Android programming rule that every app should be able to read user data from external SD cards? Or is it up to a perhaps sloppy programmer, who decides the app can only use user data when it is on the internal HDD? (Don't laugh: Windows 3.1 demanded all data on C:\ ...).
Also, I understood for some (stupid) reason Google seems to have decided apps are no longer allowed to be stored on the external SD card (?)
(Well, I do understand why Google wants this: it wants the world to use their cloud for storage and stuff: handy for subscriptions and for sales of data to governments; double the pleasure).
So I still don't know what to do :cyclops:
Thanks again for your comments; very much appreciated
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.
Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.
NYanakiev1 said:
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.
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I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope
Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.
I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??
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Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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TJCacher said:
I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
dandroid13 said:
The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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TJCacher said:
Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.
Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed