From: CrossCUT49
Just a quick note, custom ROM counters for Samsung DOES NOT void the warranty.
"I've heard a lot of horror stories where Samsung phones wouldn't be fixed, the warranty voided, etc. if you're running stock but have had custom ROMs in the past (thus adding to your "Custom Counter" in Download mode).
I returned my phone the other month and I had about 4 ROMs on my custom ROM counter. I can confirm that it does NOT void your warranty if you were to return to stock"
That is all.
Source: Reddit
I would like to install custom rom on my i9505. It has stock system now and 0x0 knox. Is is possible to install this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2544474 without voiding KNOX warranty (0x1). If the answer is yes, how to do that and how to reset everything (rom, kerrnel, flash counter, ...) back to stock after?
The answer is NO
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Hahaha. HAve you read a little about Knox?! If it where possible they would be no post like [research], [q&a] etc.
Hahaha. I have. What about this, is it working on S4: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2583199 ?
Samsung can't void our warranty
I found that Samsung cant void our warranty even if after a change in the firmware / software part of our terminal : http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:FR:HTML this european directive from 25 May 1999 (1999/44/CE) said clearly that the warranty can't be void by the constructor if the buyer change the terminal's system / boot / frimware. But it's only for Europe :/
Try to root using the Kingo root app. it does not break counter and Knox. Also you can unroot easily if ever you want to claim warranty.
So, i got tired of waiting a port or something like Towelroot for the exynos variant of the S5 and, before i start rooting the phone, i'd like to clear some questions:
1 - Towelroot really doesn't work on 900h and there's no other option besides CF, right?
2 - I live in Brazil, but the phone was bought at one Bestbuy in the US. The warranty will be covered by the store after tripping knox? If not, it means it'll be covered by Samsung in the US (if there's a law for it, like in EU) or in Brazil (couldn't find anything about knox tripping effect in here)?
3 - I think i remember, a long time ago, that there were some problems after rooting and tripping knox, like bricking the fingerprint scanner and loosing other features. Is that a thing, or just an old rumor?
4 - Tripping knox and flashing a knox-free rom blocks you from flashing another rom with knox right? If i only root it and, i don't know, just mess around with Xposed and other root apps, i'll be able to flash the stock rom and install OTAs or i'll need to stick with custom knox-free roms?
1- Yeah. G900H model can only root via CF method.
2- In my country (Bangladesh) tripping knox will not void warrenty, until any damages made by hand..
3- Tripping knox will not create problems with fingerprint or private mode etc. It's an old rumor..
4- Yes. You can always revert back to Stock Rom by flashing your device by a stock firmware.
Masum56k said:
1- Yeah. G900H model can only root via CF method.
2- In my country (Bangladesh) tripping knox will not void warrenty, until any damages made by hand..
3- Tripping knox will not create problems with fingerprint or private mode etc. It's an old rumor..
4- Yes. You can always revert back to Stock Rom by flashing your device by a stock firmware.
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What do you mean the warranty is "not void until damaged by hand?"
Y.G. said:
What do you mean the warranty is "not void until damaged by hand?"
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That means, Phone damaged by dropping from hand.
Masum56k said:
That means, Phone damaged by dropping from hand.
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So they check to see if you've rooted if you break the glass or digitizer? That sucks.
Masum56k said:
1- Yeah. G900H model can only root via CF method.
2- In my country (Bangladesh) tripping knox will not void warrenty, until any damages made by hand..
3- Tripping knox will not create problems with fingerprint or private mode etc. It's an old rumor..
4- Yes. You can always revert back to Stock Rom by flashing your device by a stock firmware.
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up :good:
And since there were no reports of warranty problems with knox voided phones, i'll assume that rooting is safe in here.
Hello,
I want to flash cyanogenmod or any other custom rom on my Galaxy s4. (1 year old)
I'm too scared to trip my knox and void my warranty if it ever breaks.
Is there any way to install a custom rom without tripping it?
Thanks!
No way to install AOSP rom without tripping knox. However, you can install custom touchwiz rom without tripping knox.
we are in the same boat. My warranty has only three months remaining. I will only trip knox if ktoonsez kernel come for official TW lollipop.
ha966 said:
Hello,
I want to flash cyanogenmod or any other custom rom on my Galaxy s4. (1 year old)
I'm too scared to trip my knox and void my warranty if it ever breaks.
Is there any way to install a custom rom without tripping it?
Thanks!
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I tripped knox 2 months after purchase.
Chances are low that a brand new device malfunctions. Even so, there are reported cases where people who tripped knox said that they were still able to send the device to be serviced in warranty conditions.
I'm going to try it, I will let you guys know if it worked.
Flashed cyanogenmod, works like a charm.
I have 0x1 but that seems that i still have warranty.
ha966 said:
Flashed cyanogenmod, works like a charm.
I have 0x1 but that seems that i still have warranty.
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Your warranty is void.
ha966 said:
Hello,
I want to flash cyanogenmod or any other custom rom on my Galaxy s4. (1 year old)
I'm too scared to trip my knox and void my warranty if it ever breaks.
Is there any way to install a custom rom without tripping it?
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You cannot flash cyanogenmod (or other AOSP roms), but you can flash other Samsung-based custom roms without tripping knox.
The method is quite complex though. Generally you have to downgrade your kernel, root with towelroot, use Mobile Odin Pro to flash a new rom preserving root, update bootloader to have wifi.
The risk of mistakes is quite high.
But if you want to have a deeper look, jump here
As you will see the first step is rooting without tripping knox, which is already a challenge.
Once you achieve that, you will find that root gives you already enough mod opportunities, so you may not feel the need to flash custom roms.
khsh97 said:
Your warranty is void.
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Incorrect. He lives in the Netherlands. Tripping knox never voids your warranty in the Netherlands. Samsung made an official statement about it.
It depends entirely in which country you live. In the EU for example, tripping Knox can never void your consumer rights.
Lennyz1988 said:
Incorrect. He lives in the Netherlands. Tripping knox never voids your warranty in the Netherlands. Samsung made an official statement about it.
It depends entirely in which country you live. In the EU for example, tripping Knox can never void your consumer rights.
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That is awesome. But as far as I know Samsung are not the ones who will handle the warranty, but the store from where you bought it the phone.
I bought mine from DOMO (an electronics store here in my country), which means that they will handle the warranty, not Samsung.
Either way, warranty is void once you temper with the software (rooting and changing roms), it is even stated in the "Warranty will be void if" clause. Unless you change back to stock before sending it in.
GDReaper said:
That is awesome. But as far as I know Samsung are not the ones who will handle the warranty, but the store from where you bought it the phone.
I bought mine from DOMO (an electronics store here in my country), which means that they will handle the warranty, not Samsung.
Either way, warranty is void once you temper with the software (rooting and changing roms), it is even stated in the "Warranty will be void if" clause. Unless you change back to stock before sending it in.
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Samsung gives warranty to their product. They do that freely. But that's completely separate from your consumer rights.
The store where you bought it from has a legal obligation to fix the phone within a certain period of time. You can even pull the device apart, put it back together and you still have your rights. As longs as the fault is not caused by you. I'm talking about countries within the EU. The warranty void message has absolutely zero consequences.
Compare it with a pc. You can reinstall Windows, install a different Windows version, install Linux and when your motherboard breaks down, it will never void your warranty because you installed different software.
So you basically have two options. You can send it directly to Samsung or send it to the store you bought it from.
In the Netherlands Samsung made an announcement that tripping Knox, flashing your phone will NEVER void your warranty. Even if you manage to brick it, they will fix it free of charge.
Hello,
I am new to samsung and knox and really I am lost with so much information specially because I have a original version.
I have a i9505 without any upgrade, so I still have the Apr 12 kernel with I understand doesn't have knox.
Can I install any custom rom?
Can I then revert back to stock? And to stock without knox?
If I install custom roms in the forum they will upgrade my kernel and knox will be installed?
What is the best approach to continue knox free?
Thanks
Custom roms or GPE roms are your best bet if you want knox free roms.
Better upgrade to the latest software and root, then install a custom rom.
If you want stock without knox, you can install a knox-free (knox has been removed by the dev) touchwiz rom.
Thanks for replying.
If I upgrade the software first it will also upgrade the kernel to a version with knox with I will not be able to remove again. Isn't correct?
If I install a custom rom will it also upgrade my kernel to a version with knox?
filtragem said:
Thanks for replying.
If I upgrade the software first it will also upgrade the kernel to a version with knox with I will not be able to remove again. Isn't correct?
If I install a custom rom will it also upgrade my kernel to a version with knox?
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1) Yes.
2) Kernel has nothing to do with knox. Knox is in the bootloader and the rom. Custom roms do not upgrade your bootloader.
So what is the advantage of upgrading first?
Isn't best to install a custom rom as is without having knox even close to my phone?
My previous question about returning to stock was if I need to send my phone for repair (I am still on warranty) can I be stock again but remain knox free, after installing a custom rom?
Thanks and sorry for probably so basic questions
Please read this thread and gain knowledge from Chainfire (developer of CF-Auto-root, SuperSU). Many of the questions asked have answer there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45666586
AFAIK from reading the referenced thread only Knox-apps and libs are removed. That isn't truly Knox-free when bootloader is still holding the Knox features.
Even Chainfire hasn't been able to remove Knox.
Please give example what custom ROM is truly Knox free.
Lennyz1988 said:
Incorrect. He lives in the Netherlands. Tripping knox never voids your warranty in the Netherlands. Samsung made an official statement about it.
It depends entirely in which country you live. In the EU for example, tripping Knox can never void your consumer rights.
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what about Asian countries?
O-T said:
Please read this thread and gain knowledge from Chainfire (developer of CF-Auto-root, SuperSU). Many of the questions asked have answer there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45666586
AFAIK from reading the referenced thread only Knox-apps and libs are removed. That isn't truly Knox-free when bootloader is still holding the Knox features.
Even Chainfire hasn't been able to remove Knox.
Please give example what custom ROM is truly Knox free.
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Thanks, I will read it.
I don't know if any custom rom is knox free.
I am still knox free because I have an old bootloader, and didn't install any update.
It's possible to install a new rom without updating the bootloader?
If I install a CM rom will it install a bootloader with knox? If not, can I later reinstall a samsung rom with a bootloader without knox?
filtragem said:
Thanks, I will read it.
I don't know if any custom rom is knox free.
I am still knox free because I have an old bootloader, and didn't install any update.
It's possible to install a new rom without updating the bootloader?
If I install a CM rom will it install a bootloader with knox? If not, can I later reinstall a samsung rom with a bootloader without knox?
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Any version CM/AOSP rom don't include bootloader or modem/non-hlos firmware as @GDReaper reply 2). Most Deodexed TouchWiz (TW-based) usually neither. Mind there can be exceptions for TW-based roms.
CWM or TWRP recovery isn't the same as bootloader hence it don't trip Knox.
I had previously CWM 6051, changed to TWRP 2840 and CM11. Updated to complete Samsung stock 501 lollipop directly from that state using PC Odin 3.07. Recovery back to stock and unrooted in one single Odin flash with preserved state Knox 0x0. Phone is GT-I9295 hardware 95% identical to GT-I9505 (some buttons +screen/camera difference).
Downgrade to Samsung TouchWiz rom with Knox-free bootloader =< MH1 when bootloader is newer (N** =kitkat or O** =lolipop) will trip Knox. Because Knox featured bootloader can't be downgraded without trip 0x1.
Updating to any Samsung TouchWiz rom with bootloader don't trip Knox.
Find version:
ADB or Terminal command: getprop ro.bootloader
It's common to press XDA Thanks Button sometimes.
I have a doubt, i am new to samsung device, and know very less about knox, by rooting will it trip knox counter and void warranty? and is there a way to untrip it and claim the warranty or (unroot the device without any issue by flashing the stock fw via odin) .... (like with sony devices)? can someone explain it to me? Thanks
Rooting may trip or not knox depending the metod you use.Once tripped you cannot revert it,it is forever because you burn a fuse on the mainboard.Flashing a new recovery like TWRP will ALWAYS trip knox.
Rooting it may or may not trip KNOX. Considering that you are posting this question here in the A Series forum, I presume you have one of those devices. I don't think there's any method for our devices to root it without tripping KNOX. Flashing a custom recovery will trip KNOX, as said previously. The only other way is to use CF-Auto-Root, which I haven't actually tried, but I do think that it also trips it.
Which device are you using?
KNOX is like a fuse - once it breaks, there's not any way to reset it. At least not in these devices. Personally, I tripped it (on purpose) the day I got my phone.
Thanks for your replies I am using A5 2016..
I think there is no other way to root this device without triping it?
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Check the developer forum for Note 3, there are some hints how to revert KNOX on Exynos devices.