Hi there!
Just got my first "Hero only" phonebill after getting the device and I must say I'm pretty shocked. It was 3 times normal!
I have only used Facebook INTERMITTANTLY and not logged in under the "Social" function. Twitter has been off. I haven't used email yet. I have only used Android Market under wifi and my only real usage has been various news sites with iPhone adapted webpages.
The only thing I can tell that's "on" has been the weather.
So I installed 3G Watchdog to monitor the usage and this is what I found out:
- In a twelve hour window with
- No Browser usage, no Facebook/Twitter/Flickr/Market
- Setting for Google has been "Enable background data usage" but not Auto-sync
- No Exchange usage or email
- Enable always on mobile has been activated
- No other internet function is activated as I can tell
- This has resulted in 610kb if data usage, that's 1.2mb in 24hrs
- That's 36MB a month, 436mb a year (and I pay per mb)
To me, this is "data out the widow" which I havent used, but the Phone has somehow "eaten" up.
I feel as though I havent got much control over how and when the Hero used data, the settings are not "clear" in the Android/Hero settings on administrating data usage. In my instance, it uses data without me needing it.
Is there any way to monitor WHICH program or function uses data without need? Ie. something like 3G Watchdog but more detailed?
there is net-counter.. but its familiar to 3g watchdog..
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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Good advise there for you. 1.2Mb is very little though in the big scheme of things. Its about a minute of a typical MP3 or less than the capacity of a floppy disk (if you remember those).
The phone is designed to be used with an unlimited data plan - its a cloud based phone really.
As an aside, I do think these plans are still too expensive in reality.
foxmeister said:
Android phones, and phones like them (e.g.iPhone) are really not designed to be used with "pay per MB" plan. I couldn't tell you what processes are going to be "consuming" data, but I'd consider 1.2MB to be pretty insignificant, though I understand that if you're paying by the MB your opinion would be significantly different.
I know it's probably not much help, but if I were you, since you are not using any of the "push" facilities of the device (e.g. GMail) I'd be inclined to switch off mobile internet and only switch it on as you need it.
Regards,
Dave
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I'm aware of this fact Dave, I had the Diamond before I got the Hero. But what I lack is a built in function to "control and monitior usage". As of right now, it seems like it lives it's own life. If you have an unlimited plan, you wont really care. But Another point is the fact that this "unwanted" data usage consumes battery power and thus limits the battery life.
All I want is to be in control of my phone....
I am considering an unlimited plan or a 1gb/2gb plan. But there is a "cap" on my current plan where I won't pay for data over 3MB every day, but it's still a lot when you use that much every day.
You could try something like Droidwall ( http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/ ), but this only works for rooted devices.
At least you should be able to "whitelist" the apps that you want to be able to talk to the outside world, and see if this has any material effect on your data usage.
Regards,
Dave
Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
I had the same problem as I don't have a plan and my carrier charges per mb , so I installed APNdroid (it changes the APN settings , and restores it if you want to use mobile network ) .
HTC even provide a widget to turn mobile data on and off quickly. Put it on your Home screen.
I used this while on vacation to avoid huge data costs.
Also set Google synchronisation to non automatic, sync it when you need too.
TBH though, the Hero is such a data centric device, its pretty boring with no live data connection... as are iPhone and any other smartphone.
RaptorRVL said:
Perhaps something obvious, but have you turned off the 'always on mobile data'?
You can find that under the wireless controls, mobile network settings.
And with a lot stuff (like the weather applet) you can disable the automatic updates.
Also turn off some data sync stuff under settings, data synchronization.(Google services for example).
Hope this helps a bit, although you might have done this already
Droid wall might help otherwise as a previous post also says
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"Always on" should not use up data as it is only there to keep the connection open so the phone doesn't have to connect each time an application needs to use 2G/3G/3.5G
I disabled the always on, weather etc... but something is still consuming data. Must be one of the apps circumventing the phone settings.
But my point is this, it is to diffucult/complicated/cumbersome/unintuetive so control the amount of data the Hero uses.
Also make sure stocks is set not to update.
If you are really concerned then just turn mobile data off until you need to use it (via the widget).
The point of these type of phone is to connect to many different services. Its simple to turn all data off if you wish.
The expectation for the smartphone is that it will be dragging information in constantly, keeping you up to date with your social network.
However, you might try WiSyncPlus to automatically disable data access when you are not in range of known WiFi networks. That might be the easiest way of controlling your data consumption over the cell/mobile network.
SOLVED:
The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
Sebastian768 said:
SOLVED:
The new official Facebook App was to blame for almost the entire 1,2mb a day usage. I did not log out, just pressed the home button and the app was running in the background updating.
Is this a bug? Is there any need for it to update when you don't have it open? I'm thinking battery power here as well as data usage.
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The "Home" button doesn't actually shut down the app , it merely puts it to sleep. The "Back" button on the other hand closes the app and removes it from memory.
Linux has it very own and famous scheduler which on its own manages sleeping apps and can discard them from memory at will when the need for more memory exists
In settings you have the option to set the refresh interval, you can change it to 0. Might also be worth using a task manager to kill unwanted programs.
Devs need to write their apps correctly TBH. If its in the background and the user has not set its background processes to keep working, then it should stay silent.
ONLY if a user elects to have background processes running should an app continue to work away.
A simple setting in an apps preferences is all thats needed.
The back button to kill apps... thats pretty silly TBH especially with Browser. You would have to hit back multiple times to return to the very first web page you opened before you actually exited the app... very cumbersome.
Again, a simple setting in each app and indeed globally in the Hero's settings would make life far less confusing.
forgive my noobness
will android OS allow me to code a program that runs in the background while continuously uploading GPS data to a third party server?
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forgive my noobness
will android OS allow me to code a program that runs in the background while continuously uploading GPS data to a third party server?
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Sure... but it will kill your battery very quickly, a few cardio training apps do this.
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a few cardio training apps do this.
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can you expand on cardio apps? do they help to improve battery life under high power consumption situations or are they like a pseudo task manager? yeah, a lot of the information i have been garnering has been saying that constant use of GPS data substantially affects battery life.
what if i were to use cell tower triangulation? could a program freely access information relating to cell tower locations or would i have to get permission from the provider?
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can you expand on cardio apps? do they help to improve battery life under high power consumption situations or are they like a pseudo task manager? yeah, a lot of the information i have been garnering has been saying that constant use of GPS data substantially affects battery life.
what if i were to use cell tower triangulation? could a program freely access information relating to cell tower locations or would i have to get permission from the provider?
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I think he means that a number Cardio (exorcise helper) apps tend kill peoples battery pretty fast as they do make constant use of the gps.
As i understand it (and bear in mind i'm a total noob with android development too) the android location api's can provide cell tower location based location info just as easily as GPS, the only limitation is that it is less accurate.
Assuming you don't need to the second updates, maybe it would be worth ether polling the location only every so often (say 10 minutes), or even just linking in with googles existing latitude service.
Hopefully that helped/made sense
P.S. First post
another thing, can you have apps that start automatically when the phone is turned on, like startup programs on a pc or mac?
opengeotracker .org is the program I use when I go on trips. Setting an update time of 5-10 minutes means it isn't that bad on the battery. It is open source and you can run the tracking website yourself so you don't have to rely on someone else keeping their webserver up.
I am 2 days into my month with Koodo, but I am already at 4 gigs just in 3 hours. I checked my usage to see when and it looked like I was getting about 95mb usage per minute for like an hour. I thought at first that it was from tethering, but then I saw it was also before I was tethering, so it has to be from my phone. Any apps that can see this stuff?
Thanks
Joe
Assuming you aren't on a custom ROM it should be built in. from the home screen tap menu > system settings > Connections (tab on the top) > Data Usage and scroll down. you can also change your data usage cycle to get it to be a little more accurate. If you're using a custom ROM you still have the potential of that being built in.
If you want to go even further and have a rooted device, you can try Network Log on the Google Play store...
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.networklog&hl=en
I think Onavo Count is great to do this and it has another app called Onavo Extend that compresses your data and gets you more bang for your GB's
Hi Experts,
I am using Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (India) with Android 4.4.2 (Screenshot of "About Device" is attached). I have a 1 GB 3G data limit as I am mostly on Wi-fi. In the data usage I have observed that android core apps have been consuming too much data apprximately 20% of the total data consumption (Screenshot attached). I have tried restricting the background data, however it stops push data from many apps like whatsapp.
I want to know the following regarding android core apps:
1. When i checked for details about "android core apps", it includes Contacts, LogsProvider, Contacts Storage, Search Application Pro, User Dictionary. However, I am not able to identify individual details. How can i identify how so much of data is consumed?
2. How can i reduce the data consumption under this?
3. If i restrict background data for android core apps, how will impact the performance of my phone?
4. Also, Android OS consumes some data (visible in the screenshot), for which we cannot restrict background data, can i not ensure that such data utilization is done only through wi-fi?
Your help is highly appreciated:good:.
-Regards
Nikesh
nikeshkm said:
Hi Experts,
I am using Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (India) with Android 4.4.2 (Screenshot of "About Device" is attached). I have a 1 GB 3G data limit as I am mostly on Wi-fi. In the data usage I have observed that android core apps have been consuming too much data apprximately 20% of the total data consumption (Screenshot attached). I have tried restricting the background data, however it stops push data from many apps like whatsapp.
I want to know the following regarding android core apps:
1. When i checked for details about "android core apps", it includes Contacts, LogsProvider, Contacts Storage, Search Application Pro, User Dictionary. However, I am not able to identify individual details. How can i identify how so much of data is consumed?
2. How can i reduce the data consumption under this?
3. If i restrict background data for android core apps, how will impact the performance of my phone?
4. Also, Android OS consumes some data (visible in the screenshot), for which we cannot restrict background data, can i not ensure that such data utilization is done only through wi-fi?
Your help is highly appreciated:good:.
-Regards
Nikesh
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Use BBS app to find out or another app.
I am also interested to find out. What data does "Android OS" transmit and received?
I tried to restrict but it still takes about 40-50 MB per month.
I rooted my phone and noticed that some of the apps at random times do not have internet connection while some other ones have it I checked to make sure there were no data restrictions on the apps but it is still occurring I was wondering if anybody else was having this problem any help would be appreciated thanks
since you have rooted your phone ,may be you can
1. adb shell
2. iptables -nvx -L
3. paste your log here
4.also plz provide which app can't connect to internet and its uid
maybe I will help you to find out what's wrong with your phone.
I do have that problem sometimes, with Discord for example.
I won´t receive notifications and now im more and more certain that when you switch apps or lock screen the app (discord) example, just lose internet connectivity, and when you open it again, she regains the signal... strange huh?
Are u able to receive all the time notifications?
It sounds like device is being aggressive with RAM control. See if dialing *#*#46360000#*#* and disable resource manager and test again. Note: this may reduce battery performance.
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It sounds like device is being aggressive with RAM control. See if dialing *#*#46360000#*#* and disable resource manager and test again. Note: this may reduce battery performance.
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It does but not that much. Totally woth it