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So a friend of mine recently picked up a new phone, and elected to get the Moment. I've seen people trash the Moment on these boards, but can I get some clear reasons why he should switch to the Hero or pony up the extra hundred bucks for an Evo?
It's his first smartphone, and he's not particularly tied to either the camera or the keyboard, but he's not a particularly easy guy to convince of something. Thanks.
The moment is the only android phone I would classify as a functional brick.
No offense to those who dig it. I like a physical kb too but the moments kb is (imo) a very poor design. Also, slider phones that don't tilt at all just don't feel natural to type on.
The thing is huge width wise too. I don't use a holster or belt clip, I keep my phone in my front left pants pocket. The evo is enormous but it's thin, fits in my pocket perfectly.
http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/33738-why-do-people-prefer-sprint-htc-hero-over-samsung-moment.html
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http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/33738-why-do-people-prefer-sprint-htc-hero-over-samsung-moment.html
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Good thread.. but its a little outdated.
Now we have OC kernels that run 32mhz slower then the moment, not much of a difference. Also we have darchdroid, basic android system like the moment has, so its not "laggy" because of sense UI. Also the hero has this site for support, which gives it a huge community.
The Evo.. thats a whole nother story, i would get one in a heart beat if i could. And soon any kinks/bugs will be worked out, specially if you are rooted flashing custom roms, which are worlds better then htc.
We had one guy from here (xda) get a moment (they didnt have a replacement hero for him). And he was ok with it at first, about a month later, he absolutely hated his Moment and wanted to get a Hero again. He has a thread somewhere about it.
Why I dont like the moment is a personal and hardware standpoint. My pet peeve is when the spacebar divides up the keyboard so that drives me insane but that is complete personal bias
4 things you look at from an engineering stand point.
0. Accessibility - It doesn't have to provide desired effects, just USEFUL effects. The battery life (when I had one) was horrid - 5 hours max on a battery charge. Meaning when battery is dead - it doesn't even provide useful data.
1. Reliability - It does what it is supposed to do. When you need it to do it.
Again the battery, and its random CDMA lock ups that require a reboot.
2. Safety - this stands on its own. It can't get anyone hurt.
The thing is a brick, it would cause some sort of back injury lugging that heavy thing around.
3. Security - varies for different things.
this is a cell phone...all are pretty insecure when someone has physical access, not moment specific. But I figured I would throw in the 4th one. And when you get pissed off at it and sling it out a window and someone finds it - it become insecure.
Of course all IMHO.
The moment will always have its place in my heart.... next to my mother in law and the red headed step child
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My girlfriend has the moment and absolutely loves it. She has always loved Samsung phones though.
I told her she could always use it to break a window if needed.
neuro_genesis said:
My girlfriend has the moment and absolutely loves it. She has always loved Samsung phones though.
I told her she could always use it to break a window if needed.
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That was the one benefit I out weighed with the Hero and the Moment.
With the Hero, if I ever drive my car into the lake and need to call 911 -i'd be dead before the dialer started up. However with the moment which also had similar things happen - I could just break the window.
Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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That's because forums with a large presence like this can often sway users form one phone to the next.
My personal experience with the Moment is even though it has a stronger processor it does lack a bit of the umph that the Hero has, but I just don't think the right people have their hands on the kernels and ROMs and such, so the Moment may never be as badass as the Hero in terms of its modifications and things. You can easily make or break a phone's popularity by just the hands that the phone is in.
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Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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Are you saying there will be???
j/k
gunnyman said:
Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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Ah, this is great. Thanks for your responses guys.
sheagk said:
Ah, this is great. Thanks for your responses guys.
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The best reason to stick with the Hero is the Dev community. The moment and hero are dead as far as further support/software improvements from sprint. The Devs here with the addition of Cyanogen's team will help insure the Hero is a great phone for a lot longer than the handful of devs on the Moment.
I almost bought the moment because it looked like a nicer phone to me. But the day i went to sprint they were out of them so i got a hero instead. I don't regret it but id love a phone will a hardware keyboard. The moment doesn't have alot of development for it.
For anyone trying to decide between the Evo and Epic, here is my take after having each for at least 2 weeks as my primary phone. These are just my opinions as everyone has different tastes
I must be an exception to the rule...I switched from a Palm Pre to the Epic for a couple weeks. I liked swype so much I decided to drop the epic for the evo.
After using an Evo for two weeks I traded it back for an Epic and I like the Epic much better for a few reasons.
First I didn't care for HTC Sense. I like the gallery, email, music player, calendar, and various apps included with the Epic better than HTC's versions. Also, HTC doesn't ship a file browser or task manager whereas Samsung does. Some people will say "just install one from the market" but those typically all have ads. I realize you can remove the ads with a host file, but that’s beside the point. These are basic OS functions that should be included.
Second the Epic feels much faster. Scrolling is smoother and games run better. Froyo or not, it’s faster.
Third…contrary to what you may believe it is MUCH easier to root an Epic. With the Epic you can essentially take the long way or the shortcut 1-click method but the Evo HW0004 currently there is only a long somewhat difficult root process.
Fourth, everyone complains that the dev community is so much better for the Evo. I would argue that this community is really top notch and has been extremely helpful and understanding to new users such as myself. I saw a lot more flaming going on in Evo forums.
Finally the hardware: Something overlooked by many, the Epic is way more comfortable to hold. Turns out rounded corners are round for a reason. After browsing the web & xda for about 30 min on the Evo I noticed the center of my palm, right where the bottom corner rests was a tad sore, almost felt bruised. This is not a problem with the Epic with its nicely rounded body and curved back. Also the earpiece is much better on the Epic, its louder clearer and is more comfortable up to the ear. And yes, the samoled screen is worth the 0.3” loss in size.
I wouldn't even consider the Evo Shift at this point. I'm shocked to see so many people recommending it over the Epic which to me is well worth the higher price.
If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.
I have to agree with op. Best phone i ever had, and i have had quite a few smartphones. even before official froyo, it runs much smoothr than the few evos i played with. Gps, keyboard is perfect for me. And the screen is amazing.....
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Stock Evo vs. Epic battery life is within 5% I would say. I couldn't tell any difference in my usage. Probably because I am almost always within Wi-fi range which makes a big difference.
Keyboard on the Epic doesn't impress, I'll agree with you. Thats probably why I use swype most of the time. It is very handy to punch in passwords though.
GPS is better on the Evo. If you are a road warrior I would avoid the Galexy S line. That said, if you enable GPS & wireless networks it will place you on the map within 30 seconds, but it is definitely not as accurate as the Evo. Supposedly Samsung is working on improvements.
Thanks for bringing up some points I didn't include!
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If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.
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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.
I was in a sprint store last week getting a replacement Epic so while waiting i did about 15 seperate 4g bandwidth tests with the floor demo and my replacement Epic comparing it it side to side with the Evo. I'm disappointed to say not only did the Evo best the Epic every time in some instances it nearly doubled the speed. It regularly was 1-3 megabits a second faster and the fastest speed for a Epic was 7.2 megs and the Evo was 10 megs. I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason. The Evo must have a better antenna or the Epic has some reception issues. Has anyone else tested this out?
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...C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life...
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I'm going to chime in here and state that the Epic's 45-nm S5PC110 is ~20% more power efficient than the EVO's 65-nm QSD8650. The SAMOLED on the Epic does eat more juice than the EVO's LCD when cranked all the way up or when displaying lots of white pages, but when displaying dark colors and blacks it can sip less energy.
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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
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Agreed, the keyboard is junk on this device. I am not sure if it is software, hardware, or both that causes the missed keys. Hopefully it is just software issues...
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B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
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I can see how for some people, the GPS issues are not a big deal, but it is for people who do not want to do any sort of hacking whatsoever to help decrease the long lock times. Not the end of the world, I'll grant you that, but my point is that this would not be accepted on any other major mobile phone, so why is it so accepted on the Galaxy S devices? Look at how up in arms people were about the iPhone 4's relatively minor "death grip" problem.
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C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
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When it works as it should, it can have great battery life (mine under DK28 works great and I get around 20 to 30 hours on a charge with moderate usage). That being said, there are problems in the software that, on some phones under certain conditions, cause absurdly bad battery life (10% battery drain or more per hour while idle, which is how mine was until I upgraded to DK28 and how my friends' Fascinates are) and cause the phone to heat up considerably while idle. I have only ever heard of this happening with Galaxy S phones. Either way, frequent updates from Samsung and getting the latest Android release reasonably fast would mitigate this complaint for me, but that doesn't happen, so it is a legitimate complaint.
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If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.
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I will agree that many people expect too much out of their smart phones. 20 to 30 hours is not enough for many people. That being said, 10 hour battery life doing absolutely nothing with the phone is completely ridiculous, and it is a legitimate software problem with the Galaxy S devices.
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I believe every phone's capabilities have to do with their "abuse" levels. Higher the abuse, lower the satisfaction. And, with higher abuse there will be more frequent visits to the Sprint store than usual.
I got my Epic on the day it came out (8/30/2010) and I have to admit this is a very beautiful phone with nice features. And the custom roms just spice it up even more (with less abuse of course)
If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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Since im replying from my phone and I don't feel like editing a quote I'll just say that the gps is a MAJOR issue as I was never able to use it until I started having my phone. Considering gps is such a basic feature nowadays that is unacceptable.
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so far so good
I'm always tempted by the path not chosen, but so far the Epic has done everything I've needed it to do.
I drive for a living, and while the GPS does take time to lock, it does lock. Otherwise I can find myself on the map and plot my route on the map to at least start my travels until it does lock. I consider this to be standard GPS protocol :/
I could really care less about the keyboard, but for some reason Sprint has designated the slider as their form factor of choice since the PPC-6700. It misses keys, and I thought it was just me, but I'll just have to factor that in and type more carefully. But only the form factor and the OS have been real temptations for me.
I was in the market to replace my Flip camera, and when i saw the video comparisons between the Evo and the Epic, I knew I would be very disappointed with the Evo. And while it may not matter to some, I appreciate the dedicated 2 step camera button.
I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug. This has been a plus with every Samsung phone I have had, the ability to charge it in the upright position. And I cannot tell you how much I adore the slide cover of the plug.
The screen looks great from any angle even in bright light I can see it better than I could ever see the screen on my TP2.
Now, is the phone light and cheap feeling? Possibly. But I would rather drop a light phone than a heavy phone. Think about it. I already dropped it once trying to take a picture of something on the floor. Wood floor, no harm, lesson learned. But the phone seems well put together, and it should last at least the year before I can upgrade to, whatever.
4G, eh, whatever. I play with it in Chicago, and it's iffy at best. They basically tacked on an extra radio, and I mostly pretend it's not there. However, it does grant the ability to do simultaneous voice and data, which will be a plus if this network ever expands and takes hold.
So even though I am sick to death of waiting for Froyo since I'm checking on it every day, I still know I made the right choice as far as what Sprint has to offer.
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I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason.
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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.
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I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug.
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I also like the plug where it is, though I didn't think I would when I got it. It is so much nicer than a bottom or side plug, not only when plugged into the car, but also when plugged in anywhere else, especially at the computer.
I really like my Epic over the Evo. My cuz has an Evo and it looks and feels so big and square, I really don't think I'd like carrying that thing in my pocket, like I carry my Evo. And for me, Evo's screen is actually larger than needed. I lived without a keyboard for two years with my HTC Touch and now, I can't go without a keyboard. I personally find Swype to be inaccurate and I constantly had to make adjustments. I use the android keyboard when not typing on the keyboard.
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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.
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I too noticed that in the settings. When I switch to CDMA auto, the bars were almost always full or close to full even when I was in areas that historically gave me a bad signal. Unfortunately, the phone swtiches back to WCDMA and I go back to my normal, high-and-low signal.
One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.
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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.
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You can get GPS working you just have to be on DK28. If you like the phone by all means get it. It comes down to opinions and my opinion is that there really isn't anything I like about the Epic. Its got great graphics and a good camera but I have a 42" flatscreen+a PS3 for gaming and I have a 12mp camera for pictures, I don't need my phone to do those things. Sure, having a hardware keyboard is great but considering I have to slow my typing speed down so I don't miss letters and how much I've come to love swype I don't really want/need it anymore. I've said this in the Evo Shift vs Epic thread and I'll say it here: Go try both phones. If you like one more than the other, buy it. Manufacturers and Carriers are always going to skew their descriptions and spec sheets to get you to buy something, so just go with what you want.
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If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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I am not quite sure exactly what it is, but it seems to be restricted to Galaxy S phones. I spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out what was causing it on my phone, and while I have heard of people like you who got good battery life in 2.1, everyone I know who has a Galaxy S device has this issue. Judging by the fact that for me and others, 2.2 has cleared up the issue, I am guessing there is a fix specifically for this in that update.
For the record, I once ran logcat to see if I could pinpoint the issue. It seemed that Google Sync was querying Google's servers CONSTANTLY even though I had configured to push in GMail, so it could be an issue with Android or the GMail app itself, but why it seems to manifest on Galaxy S devices with alarming frequency is beyond me.
All these hater threads being posted about "I'm returning the Atrix" , "The Atrix Screen is horrible" and "The Atrix doesn't do this..." I decided to show this device some love. We all know it's an electronic device/phone first and sometimes things are broken or just not working right...I get that! However, let's not let the VERY FEW bad things out weigh the MANY GOOD things about the Atrix. Let's enjoy our new toy and give props when props is due.
So I wanted to start this thread for people like myself to post reasons why you bought the Atrix, what you like about it and why you might decide to keep it past your 3o day return period.
I'll go first:
What I like about the Atrix is the sleekness of it. The light weight feel in the hand. and The snappiness of it. One of the reasons I think I may keep the Atrix past my 30 day period is because I feel that if Motorola does allow the bootloader to be unlocked the devs will make this phone one of the most powerful devices out if used to the best of it's ability. And if they don't release the bootloader, I'll still be happy with it and still keep it.
I like that I don't have to have a charger at my desk, car, home desk, couch, night stand, etc. the battery life is great for me.
I like that the screen practically fills the face. I like the resolution and crispness.
I love the form factor. I like how it fits in my hand, the placement of the fingerprint sensor works perfect for me.I like that it's light but doesn't feel cheap or fragile.
I like that it's not tied to a pc like my iphone.
I love how fast it is, I have no issues with lag or un responsiveness.
I love that it isn't an iphone. I like iphones..I love my atrix
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Ill join in.
I love the weight of this phone, its not heavy like most other phones. Its more like what you expect it to be like.
The phone fits your hand VERY well. The finger print reader is positioned so that if you cradle the phone correctly, your index finger is resting on the finger print reader a good portion of the time.
I have yet to have any problems of this phone slowing down.
The battery life is AMAZING! Now I might not be the uber smartphone user that has the phone in front of his/her face 24/7 (driving/walking down halls running into people) but I still use this phone a lot and it easily lasts a full day on 1 charge.
The screen is perfect, everyone saying that the screen sucks need to wait till software comes out that utilizes this resolution. A good 90% of the stuff on the market right now was not made for the resolution on this phone. Also the real estate of this screen is amazing. They utilized all the screen space they could on this phone.
I will also be keeping this phone past the 30 day return period since I feel that the phone flat out works right out of the box. Yea a custom rom would be cool but this phone does everything I need it to do and more without breaking a sweat.
+1 for the Atrix
I really love the battery life. I got home from work tonight at 6:30 and still had 50% and I used it a ton today.
Speed. Silly speed for days. I've not seen any of the lag I hear about and it never locks up on me.
Games are insanely good, especially Tegrazone approved games. Samurai 2 and Dungeon Defenders is sick.
I dig the size and weight. It doesn't feel like a brick in my pocket.
Love the fingerprint reader as unlock.
The screen is fantastic and realistic.
Camcorder has taken some really great videos for me. I recorded almost an entire live concert with it from the send row and it looks and sounds fantastic. I recorded from the car dock to test it and at 45mph the video was crisp and didnt' stutter.
The car dock owns.
This one even surprises me: I don't hate blur. Yes, I said it.
I like the blur widget options along with the standard Android widgets. I find that with the power of the phone that blur doesn't offer any slow down. I wouldn't like it with a 528mhz processor, but it screams on the Atrix so I'm good with it.
Wow, it is nice to see a thread in which people want to say positive things!
Just to add to what everyone has already said (I'm a big fan).
I already love the device. If the bootloader is ever unlocked... holy 'smokes'... it will just be like another christmas - in the middle of the year.
no dropped calls
better signal (probably helps the no dropped calls stat too)
much better battery life
good hi def screen
great speaker
fast as hell
The Bishop said:
no dropped calls
better signal (probably helps the no dropped calls stat too)
much better battery life
good hi def screen
great speaker
fast as hell
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I like having alerts, ringtones, and battery life as proficient as blackberrys.
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Wow, it is nice to see a thread in which people want to say positive things
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I know right....I got tired of seeing all these negative threads about people returning the phone, they expected certain features that's not here so they're gonna return the phone etc. It was getting crazy.
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I love how i dont have to root it to to get rid of the lag isues tht other phones have.
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This is my first smart phone, so I have no prior experience to compare my Atrix experience to. Because of my lack of experience with such devices, I know I am not taxing it, putting it through the rigorous paces that others do, or even utilizing much of its potential. But I like it, and I'm pleased with it.
It is very light, easy to pocket, and it fits my hands well. Sheathed in the Body Glove Mirage TPU case, it is secure in my grasp.
It has a great screen. Even small text in web pages is crisp and readable.
I love having an internet browser with me all the time. I used it today in my garden to look up information on soil preparation.
Texting on this phone is a dream. It has a great virtual keyboard. The screen is wonderfully sensitive to a quick and light touch, which makes typing very fast and accurate.
The phone is fast and delightfully responsive. There is virtually no latency when accessing menus and apps.
The battery life is excellent. I can use it all day without running it down completely. Recharging overnight is all that's needed.
LOVE my Atrix
FAST, absolutely no lag, 1 gig of RAM, great quality construction, GREAT screen despite what others think (just look at a hi res video), a pleasure to play with!!
The phone is great out of the box compared to how the Captivate was. This phone is a smartphone on steroids. Plenty of power, RAM, and internal storage for applications for daily use. The fingerprint lockscreen is pretty nifty. 4in is the perfect size in my opinion and the phone is nice and loud.
The drawbacks are the screen isn't as good as SAMOLED, Motoblur is kind of a bummer, and white notification bar is annoying. I am really nitpicking but there isn't too much to complain about the phone.
ok honestly, i just got mine yesterday and didn't see any of the complaints that people are making about it that would make somebody wanna return it, either u got a defective device or u just complain entirely too much(easy fix, return it for another one that works duh). they talking about speed test this and that compared to the iphone/inspire/evo/etc. but no phone is perfect and honestly this phone is better then all of them. Yea it's running motorola Blur, but motorola blur isn't bad at all, the phone that made it look bad was that weak backflip that had sooooo many bugs, i kno cause my sis has it. Another thing, people are complaining about the bootloader, the devs are currently working hard to crack it, and very soon will from looking at their thread. Just wait til this thing is rooted, it's gonna shock a lot of people that returned it for these future phones that come out, so please(not everybody) stop complaining so much and making people seem like this phone is horrible just because u don't like it and it's not 2 seconds faster then your ROOTED device or inspire, u may just have a defective device......
sorri about the rant but after playing with this phone for a day it kinda frustrated me seeing people giving up on this phone soooo quickly, but i like everything about the phone nothing has disappointed me yet
Coming from a (stock) Nexus One that was the best phone I EVER used, this phone is:
- sexier
- faster
- lasting longer
- much nicer to watch videos on
- impossible to fill up with apps (!!!)
It is in general an awesome phone! Sure, glitches here & there, however nothing that will not be fixed in an imminent update.
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sorri about the rant but after playing with this phone for a day it kinda frustrated me seeing people giving up on this phone soooo quickly, but i like everything about the phone nothing has disappointed me yet
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+1; I understand Motorola has a history of locking down their phones, and the Xoom is a different device entirely...but the fact they're giving that the option of a lockable/unlockable bootloader gives me some hope.
It took some time for the Captivate development to take off, but once people were able to utilize i9000 ROMs/kernels, there were a ton of ROM/kernel options, and almost all of those piggybacked i9000 development from people outside of the United States. So I'm planning on sticking with this phone for a while, unless the Atrix part of the XDA forums here becomes a desolate wasteland and the phone gets abandoned. As somebody mentioned in another thread, once this phone comes out on different carriers in different countries, there should be a lot more people plugging away on the development side.
That said, I love the hardware portions of this phone; it feels solid, the battery cover looks nice, the camera is fantastic, the GPS works great, the screen is solid (if not spectacular, yet), I missed having a flash on my camera and LED notifications, and even with the Motoblur bloat still there...it's snappy.
battery life, battery life, battery life. and did i mention battery life?
over 40 hours on my last charge. im pressed.
i was thinking about returning due to locked bootloader......but the fact of the matter is, i can still do far more customization to this phone with a locked bootloader than i could on a jailbroken iphone (what i came from). i loved the roms/kernels for the captivate that i had for 3 weeks, but even with that phone supercustomized and overclocked, it still didnt perform as well as the atrix.
I like when chicks see me with this badass phone. I usually get laid. This phone is a chick magnet.
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I like when chicks see me with this badass phone. I usually get laid. This phone is a chick magnet.
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Funny as hell...lmao...Good Post!
I'd like to second everyones opinions about the phone. Coming from a iphone 3g ill never go back. I believe when froyo catches up with better apps to support the atrix's dual cores's and att finally upgrades there cell towers' and the phone has only been out for a little more then 2 weeks I'm sure the devs here need more time to play around with the phone. As I'm not rooting yet ill wait for the gingerbread update and att to upgrade there cell towers before I start rooting. But anyway back to subject I am very pleased with the phone as I agree with all comments that members have posted about the positive things.
Ps. I am pleased to live beside a att cell tower mainantance worker and he has said that middle-eastern southern U.S. towers will be updated to the LTE network no later than this years 2nd quarter and he also made a comment about att working with verizon getting everything going?? But he couldn't provided any hard prof.
Now my fingers hurt thanks swype.
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First of all, I've never used a phone that some people didn't hate. The Atrix is the best Android phone. It beats the Nexus S and it beats the oversized, overhyped Desire HD. It beats all the plastic Samsungs. The form factor is perfect. The weight and balance are perfect. The screen is excellent. Call quality is excellent. I like it. I write about smartphones and I use them all. This beats all Androids as far as I'm concerned. And like all Androids, it isn't a boring iPhone, and let's face it that is a boring device.
For those of you considering a Xoom, here are my experiences after a week with the device, the good the bad and the ugly. With a week left, I'm leaning towards keeping it after the fourteen day trial ends. Hope this helps.
I like your review. I too am at the seven day mark and inclined to keep it, but I am getting an iPad 2 on Friday. I need to get some work done, and the app advantage is too great (and some very cool games too). But I have faith in that the Xoom will improve dramatically over time. I am currently rooted, OCed to 1.5GHz and lovin' it.
I am going to be keeping my Xoom. It was reinforced again today. The level of websites I keep encountering with the flash logo is more than I realized were out there. The iPad does not have Flash and my Xoom should in the next few weeks. It doesn't matter how many ways Apple says flash isn't needed in a tablet, I come across daily interactions that show me otherwise. If I buy an iPad I will still have to lug around a laptop a lot more than if I have a Xoom.
The Xoom has its software polish and kinks still needing work. I agree it feels rushed in some areas, but there is so much growth potential. I also expected this prior to purchase.
I have friends with iPads and iPhones. They are great polished products that work great in a closed Apple ecosystem. It just seems to me you get a nice fish tank with the iPad and the Android is river heading to the ocean.
Everyone's needs are different in a tablet and Android is not for everyone. For me it is a much better fit that Apple. As nice as the iPad 2 looks, I know my Xoom will get more use.
Wow- can't hate on it. This is the kind of review that should be out there.
My take FWIW is similar to the author's- that as long as the HW is there and solid and robust, any failings are allegedly fixable in SW, but not vice-versa.
... that being said, if they can't get the SW together, I've got 80 more days to get it back to Costco and wait for the next great Android tablet.
nice review.
even if google can't get the s/w fixed - XDA will probably have a heap of roms out soon!
Really good review. I mostly agree on most of the points
Objective and well thought out review. Nothing is ever perfect in this world, especially anything with buttons. My Xoom stays, it was never in doubt.
I also cannot still trust the fact that the battery lasts all day. (Yep it does) As an EVO fan, I am conditioned to NEVER pass up an opportunity to charge. Old habits will die hard.
Great review...good to see an honest one at there. I am on day four and admit I bout it just to try but damn if I'm taking it back I love it. Only real issue for me is a decent case. Oh and I paid the 800 bucks for it...may go back for the contract haven't decided yet...
sogrady wrote in his review:
"My biggest problem with the battery life, in fact, is psychological: I’m conditioned not to trust it, and reflexively charge at every given opportunity, whether I need to or not. "
So true, I left my charger at work today and started to turn around to get it and had to fight myself... the Xoom is fully charged and will last the evening and morning no problem but I feel disconnected not be able to charge it at home.
Excellent review OP. This really helped me in my decision to buy a XOOM and test it out myself.
Wondering if anyone else has done this? Traded their tmobile variant of international. I mean I can't complain I got this phone for free but still! Peaked over at the threads over at our sister phone and man it is packed with roms and kernels etc. Just tired of the sluggish phone. Even on stock it is sluggish.
Go xiaomi
Same here. Done with Sammy after the note 7 and now this s7 edge..
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Don't know anything about them or their phones.
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Same here. Done with Sammy after the note 7 and now this s7 edge..
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This phone is just bad man. Horrendous ram optimization even on Echo. Hot enough to cook and egg. I literally can not play Gear VR without having a fan pointing at me. I truly miss my Note 7and I regret trading in the Note 5 for a S7 Edge.
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I have had no issues with my S7e. I miss my Note 7 but there are no better phones on the market. I've tested tons, always come back to the S7e. The screen is so nice the camera is great and it's water proof.
no real complaints here with mine. I also came from the note 7 as well. The n7 definitely had a more premium feel but this phone isn't all that bad. I haven't rooted mine yet because I haven't seen any roms worth jumping to. so far package disabler pro tweaks is all I have done. I still have my note 7 and I'm not turning in until they release a deadline for a full refund but I hardly use it because the battery life is for crap compared to the s7e.
Good lord, it's just a phone. It does what it is intended to do, and does it very well. Don't like it, plenty of competition out there. Not sure what you hope to accomplish by making yet another thread complaining about lack of options. Real root/unlock is never coming to this device. Live with it or dump it for one of the tens of other good devices out there, and move on with your life.
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Wondering if anyone else has done this? Traded their tmobile variant of international. I mean I can't complain I got this phone for free but still! Peaked over at the threads over at our sister phone and man it is packed with roms and kernels etc. Just tired of the sluggish phone. Even on stock it is sluggish.
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Try flashing the G935U firmware if you haven't. It seems to run a lot better for most people since it's stripped of all the carrier bloatware. You can then manually flash the modem file from the latest T-mobile firmware to have 256qam enabled.
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Good lord, it's just a phone. It does what it is intended to do, and does it very well. Don't like it, plenty of competition out there. Not sure what you hope to accomplish by making yet another thread complaining about lack of options. Real root/unlock is never coming to this device. Live with it or dump it for one of the tens of other good devices out there, and move on with your life.
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It does NOT do what it is intended. Unfortunately I was sucker into this downgrade and I can not get another phone. Don't put words into my mouth, I never said there was a lack of options. I am merely posting this thread to anyone looking for the downsides of owning this phone. On stock, its laggy and hot. On a custom rom, it is even more laggy, hot, and if you plan on playing games on the Gear VR, expect about 10 minutes of play before it over heats. I'll take a video of it so you guys can see. There is also severe graphical tearing in Gear VR, while not constant, they happen more often than they should -_-
I'll take a video of it so you guys can see. I h ave a trusty fan next to my computer even ever it gets too hot and I need to cool it.
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Try flashing the G935U firmware if you haven't. It seems to run a lot better for most people since it's stripped of all the carrier bloatware. You can then manually flash the modem file from the latest T-mobile firmware to have 256qam enabled.
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If I am on Echoe, isn't that the same thing? Or would that firmware with root work better than Echoe?
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no real complaints here with mine. I also came from the note 7 as well. The n7 definitely had a more premium feel but this phone isn't all that bad. I haven't rooted mine yet because I haven't seen any roms worth jumping to. so far package disabler pro tweaks is all I have done. I still have my note 7 and I'm not turning in until they release a deadline for a full refund but I hardly use it because the battery life is for crap compared to the s7e.
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I hear you, maybe I should go back to stock then.
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I have had no issues with my S7e. I miss my Note 7 but there are no better phones on the market. I've tested tons, always come back to the S7e. The screen is so nice the camera is great and it's water proof.
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Part of the reason why I went with the S7 E. I got pampered by my Note 5 and it's discontinuation really threw me off.
I got another S7 E on top of my closet sealed that Tmobile gave me. Not sure if to turn it around and sell it or wait to see if Sammy comes out with any special promotion on a trade in.
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If I am on Echoe, isn't that the same thing? Or would that firmware with root work better than Echoe?
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I'm not rooted. My understanding is that the only root solutions on the Snapdragon edition require you to use an engineering kernel with poor performance. I'm happy just using Adaway with the stock Samsung browser and I can just live without the rest of the root 'benefits'.
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It does NOT do what it is intended. Unfortunately I was sucker into this downgrade and I can not get another phone. Don't put words into my mouth, I never said there was a lack of options. I am merely posting this thread to anyone looking for the downsides of owning this phone. On stock, its laggy and hot. On a custom rom, it is even more laggy, hot, and if you plan on playing games on the Gear VR, expect about 10 minutes of play before it over heats. I'll take a video of it so you guys can see. There is also severe graphical tearing in Gear VR, while not constant, they happen more often than they should -_-
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Here's the thing nobody is looking for the downsides of owning this phone. You're looking for people to confirm your opinion and nothing more. Let me be clear, the problems you are having with your phone as you've described are limited to your device. Perhaps you got a bum device. It happens, I did replace mine under warranty for a hardware fault in the AOD and edge clock displays. Perhaps you loaded up your phone with so much garbage that it simply chokes on everything you have running in the background. I don't know and will not claim to know. The root lag and heat are well known issues due to the engineering bootloader. This is explained in the rooting threads here. You went ahead and rooted it knowing this, don't be surprised that you are experiencing issues that are clearly stated will happen if you root.
I have the gear VR as well and the few times I played games on it I had no heat issues or screen tearing issues. None. My phone is stock and exhibits no noticeable lag or heat. I can get 4-5 hours of screen time easily with room to spare. Now, I rarely play games, screen time is work related, but I have never experienced excessive heat when playing high-end games either. Of course I don't use facebook, twitter, instagram, snapchat, and whatever other garbage you kids do nowadays.
So my point stands. Don't like this device, get another one. Get one that is easily rootable, get one with stock Android, or whatever you want. But understand that the problems you are having are either the fault of your specific device or your fault. If it's the former, a new device will help. If it's the latter, you should address the underlying issues before screaming about how bad this phone is. But there is no systematic problem in the GS7 line.
Whoa so much tension here. I've had 2 S7 edges and both exhibited some lag here or there. The biggest problem I had with the phone is the inconsistency in its performance and smoothness. With that said, I'm hoping Samsung will do a better job with optimizing Nougat.
this is insane. OP is throwing a fit about his phone being hot and laggy when he has it ROOTED. jesus christ man. this phone isn't laggy or hot, you're just using the wrong kernel for your phone. eng kernel isnt made for performance. it's made for engineering. unroot your phone and/or flash U firmware and stop being an ignorant crybaby.
ON QC S7/E, ROOTING CAUSES LAG AND OVERHEAT ISSUES. THERE IS NO FIX.
this phone isn't meant to be rooted. which means it's perfect for people like OP. because you obviously can't follow instructions or advice from all the root guides and threads on here. you just ignore all warnings and then make a thread to whine about your malfunctioning phone when it starts doing the things you were warned it would do.
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Here's the thing nobody is looking for the downsides of owning this phone. You're looking for people to confirm your opinion and nothing more. Let me be clear, the problems you are having with your phone as you've described are limited to your device. Perhaps you got a bum device. It happens, I did replace mine under warranty for a hardware fault in the AOD and edge clock displays. Perhaps you loaded up your phone with so much garbage that it simply chokes on everything you have running in the background. I don't know and will not claim to know. The root lag and heat are well known issues due to the engineering bootloader. This is explained in the rooting threads here. You went ahead and rooted it knowing this, don't be surprised that you are experiencing issues that are clearly stated will happen if you root.
I have the gear VR as well and the few times I played games on it I had no heat issues or screen tearing issues. None. My phone is stock and exhibits no noticeable lag or heat. I can get 4-5 hours of screen time easily with room to spare. Now, I rarely play games, screen time is work related, but I have never experienced excessive heat when playing high-end games either. Of course I don't use facebook, twitter, instagram, snapchat, and whatever other garbage you kids do nowadays.
So my point stands. Don't like this device, get another one. Get one that is easily rootable, get one with stock Android, or whatever you want. But understand that the problems you are having are either the fault of your specific device or your fault. If it's the former, a new device will help. If it's the latter, you should address the underlying issues before screaming about how bad this phone is. But there is no systematic problem in the GS7 line.
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You must be a sad little man or kid) to try and belittle someone else's opinion that does not agree with you loving the device. Sadly I was looking at the downside of owning this phone but I didn;t look deep enough. Why would you Pros and not the Cons. You buy a brand new Ford and it breaks on your before you even reached 50k mile but had you looked into the cons of that make a model you would know NOT TO FREAKING BUY IT. I wish I had someone post a negative review of the phone itself so I could of avoided buying it, twice.
As for your solution, as if giving up said phone for way less than what one bought it for it is not much of an option unless I want to take a loss. As far as you not having heat issues, I always have it and have seen others have similar issues. So you rarely play games yet you can sit there and tell me with absolute certainty that the phone does not over heat... right very reassuring. Remind yourself never to review phones. I do use facebook, but not that app, just the web browser. And I assure you, I am no kid, your attempt to insult falls very.... very short, much like your intelligence. As far as the phone not having a systematic problem, I can go on a dozens threads here on this site alone and even review sites and even youtube videos that say the very exact opposite of you. And again, this belittling thing your doing, either you have WAY too much time on your hands and are constantly looking for an opportunity to try and appear higher than others by belittling or you... are just a sad man or kid. Case in point, don't like my thread, don't comment. And I would advise against trying to belittle anyone else, whether done here or in your actual life.
My opinion, don't like my thread, don't post in it.
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this is insane. OP is throwing a fit about his phone being hot and laggy when he has it ROOTED. jesus christ man. this phone isn't laggy or hot, you're just using the wrong kernel for your phone. eng kernel isnt made for performance. it's made for engineering. unroot your phone and/or flash U firmware and stop being an ignorant crybaby.
ON QC S7/E, ROOTING CAUSES LAG AND OVERHEAT ISSUES. THERE IS NO FIX.
this phone isn't meant to be rooted. which means it's perfect for people like OP. because you obviously can't follow instructions or advice from all the root guides and threads on here. you just ignore all warnings and then make a thread to whine about your malfunctioning phone when it starts doing the things you were warned it would do.
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You miss the part that I had this issue even when I had it stocked. Should I direct you to the many threads, reviews sites, and youtube, not to mention the other posters who said the same thing? Either contribute or don't post in my thread as I mentioned before. You may fine nothing wrong with this device, rooted or not, I have had this phone constantly overheat, while stocked, and while rooted. Get over it your shock of me throwing a fit on a 800 dollar phone.
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Whoa so much tension here. I've had 2 S7 edges and both exhibited some lag here or there. The biggest problem I had with the phone is the inconsistency in its performance and smoothness. With that said, I'm hoping Samsung will do a better job with optimizing Nougat.
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Agreed
I got another S7 E on top of my closet sealed that Tmobile gave me. Not sure if to turn it around and sell it or wait to see if Sammy comes out with any special promotion on a trade in.[/QUOTE]
Trade it in on what? Black Friday is on the horizon so what ever deals there are will be made then.
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You must be a sad little man or kid) to try and belittle someone else's opinion that does not agree with you loving the device. Sadly I was looking at the downside of owning this phone but I didn;t look deep enough. Why would you Pros and not the Cons. You buy a brand new Ford and it breaks on your before you even reached 50k mile but had you looked into the cons of that make a model you would know NOT TO FREAKING BUY IT. I wish I had someone post a negative review of the phone itself so I could of avoided buying it, twice.
As for your solution, as if giving up said phone for way less than what one bought it for it is not much of an option unless I want to take a loss. As far as you not having heat issues, I always have it and have seen others have similar issues. So you rarely play games yet you can sit there and tell me with absolute certainty that the phone does not over heat... right very reassuring. Remind yourself never to review phones. I do use facebook, but not that app, just the web browser. And I assure you, I am no kid, your attempt to insult falls very.... very short, much like your intelligence. As far as the phone not having a systematic problem, I can go on a dozens threads here on this site alone and even review sites and even youtube videos that say the very exact opposite of you. And again, this belittling thing your doing, either you have WAY too much time on your hands and are constantly looking for an opportunity to try and appear higher than others by belittling or you... are just a sad man or kid. Case in point, don't like my thread, don't comment. And I would advise against trying to belittle anyone else, whether done here or in your actual life.
My opinion, don't like my thread, don't post in it.
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There was no belittling on my part in anything I said, unlike your post. If you found it, you must have looked for it very hard and are overly sensitive when someone disagrees with you. Like I said, I have no issues with heat, battery, gear vr, or anything else. Whether I play games or otherwise. I suggested that your phone is bad or something you're doing is causing it. Sorry you don't like my suggestions, but it is what it is. Like is said, move on to a different device and hopefully you'll be happy with your choice. I know at least 3 other people with the gs7e that have none of your issues, as well as plenty of Internet reviews that state the same.
Lag fixed on the Nougat beta. Also has a few features I used to root for that are baked in now. Only thing missing is V4A and system wide add blocking.