Database Users

Vibrant/Epic 4G/Captivate/Fascinate Forums Added!

We heard from a lot of users and moderators on the issue of whether to put all Galaxy S forums under one roof or to offer separate forums for them all.
For the sake of keeping confusion to a minimum plus ensuring that XDA stays as organized as possible, we've officially decided to launch forums for all four variants of the Galaxy S. We expect these four devices (plus the unlocked Galaxy S) to be very popular devices once they're on sale.
Here are the links!
Sprint Epic 4G
AT&T Captivate
T-Mobile Vibrant
Verizon Fascinate
This forum will be for the unlocked European version of the Galaxy S that has been on sale since June.
Thanks to everyone!
Edit by Chainfire:
Please note various Q&A from the i9000 (unlocked European version) FAQ may still be relevant to your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596

Is there any way for them to be all under the same parent forum on the tree so that we don't get heavy fragmentation in discussions? It would make it easier for people to find threads that were for other Galaxy S derived devices that also affected them, but were posted in the other forums.

ryukent said:
Is there any way for them to be all under the same parent forum on the tree so that we don't get heavy fragmentation in discussions? It would make it easier for people to find threads that were for other Galaxy S derived devices that also affected them, but were posted in the other forums.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.

What was the point in the poll if popular vote didn't matter?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look through them all
GG to my laziness

Rawat said:
This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1.
Agreed.

Can we fight with the other Galaxy S varieties for supremacy?
NOOO MY GALAYX IS TEH BESHTESTT!!!1!!1!one!!eleven

Unimaginative said:
Can we fight with the other Galaxy S varieties for supremacy?
NOOO MY GALAYX IS TEH BESHTESTT!!!1!!1!one!!eleven
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the SGS varieties, it would have not been a victory.
Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the SGS War has.

INeedYourHelp said:
Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the SGS varieties, it would have not been a victory.
Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the SGS War has.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is the best post I have ever seen on XDA.

INeedYourHelp said:
What was the point in the poll if popular vote didn't matter?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look through them all
GG to my laziness
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
/Twerd.
No point in separating everything....
-bZj

I liked the idea of different development forums And keeping everything else unified. I don't remember any of htc wm phones being separated by carrier. Why separate all of the galaxies?

Rawat said:
This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Themes and Apps sections will indeed have some redundancy, and we may remove those forums except from the main Galaxy S I9000. Then the trouble becomes that people will post about themes and apps with the OTHER forums like General, etc. So, we'll have to play it by ear and see how things go!

Keep the forums separate, but how about having a universal Themes and Apps topics all linked to the main one here?

can we have all the varieties themes and apps page link to the galaxy s one? Accessories and ROM dev. is nice to have separated but general and apps do not. If a thread poster feels it is phone specific he can just state the variant in the title no?

svetius said:
We heard from a lot of users and moderators on the issue of whether to put all Galaxy S forums under one roof or to offer separate forums for them all.
For the sake of keeping confusion to a minimum plus ensuring that XDA stays as organized as possible, we've officially decided to launch forums for all four variants of the Galaxy S. We expect these four devices (plus the unlocked Galaxy S) to be very popular devices once they're on sale.
Here are the links!
Sprint Epic 4G
AT&T Captivate
T-Mobile Vibrant
Verizon Fascinate
This forum will be for the unlocked European version of the Galaxy S that has been on sale since June.
Thanks to everyone!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So the admins decided to go against the popular vote? Marvelous.
crabby

sorry.. but bad move to create separate forums... we now have to check 5 forums to find what we want.
this reminds me of the G1/Magic32B/Magic32A forums where nearly all development and modding was posted in the G1 forum (dev device), leaving the Magic forums abandoned, or full of links to G1 forum posts for those with 32B radios.
I predict that the Vibrant & Euro unlocked S will be the most used devices, leaving the other forums as good as empty or posted with stuff like "I found this on the Vibrant/S forum".
what about the forum search? will we now need to search all forums? increases the load right?
anyway.. last time I checked the poll regarding this, most of the users voted for seperate SUB forums.. did this change so drastically in the last weeks?

Separate forums of the SAME device by US carriers??? WTF?
Disagree... completely.

magicdroid said:
sorry.. but bad move to create separate forums... we now have to check 5 forums to find what we want.
this reminds me of the G1/Magic32B/Magic32A forums where nearly all development and modding was posted in the G1 forum (dev device), leaving the Magic forums abandoned, or full of links to G1 forum posts for those with 32B radios.
I predict that the Vibrant & Euro unlocked S will be the most used devices, leaving the other forums as good as empty or posted with stuff like "I found this on the Vibrant/S forum".
what about the forum search? will we now need to search all forums? increases the load right?
anyway.. last time I checked the poll regarding this, most of the users voted for seperate SUB forums.. did this change so drastically in the last weeks?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Precisely.
I see no reason for 5 separate forums. I think a much better idea would have to have a single GalaxyS forum, and add subforums for specific variants as the need arises (if it ever does).
Having 5 forums just wastes everyone's time. It even makes searching useless .

reuthermonkey said:
Precisely.
I see no reason for 5 separate forums. I think a much better idea would have to have a single GalaxyS forum, and add subforums for specific variants as the need arises (if it ever does).
Having 5 forums just wastes everyone's time. It even makes searching useless .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What amazing is they ask for a vote then go against it WTF

I think it would have been best to make them all in 1 forum and then have a sub forums for GSM and CDMA...
or make a sub forum for each device and a main forum for all of them to have a General...
cause there are many issues people are talking about in the Vibrant and the I9000 which are EXACTLY the same...
not to mention we need some stickies with common issues and questions..

On a similar note. The Samsung Vibrant or Galaxy S similar to the european version has 4 haptic buttons whereas the latter has only 2 and the
Big plastic intergrated middle button. Is this something people would prefer and would it be beneficial in the long run of android where it would
have been if the phone was to run windows 7.
BTW.... I Am not pleased that the American market also shipped this with the Avatar Film pre-installed...LOL!

[Q] Proposal to merge all Galaxy S family into 1 neat and big sub forum

original topic at
[Q] Proposal to merge all Galaxy S family into 1 neat and big sub forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084

That is brilliant. Can't believe I did not post it first, it is a peeve of mine, big time.

I would like to see this as well.

I support this!

It was like that at first, but I think they did this so that people wouldnt start flashing things on their phones without knowing which one it's for.
I wouldnt mind a general "Galaxy S General" forum though.

yes, this would be a definite plus. and give us an off topic section for us sgs users as well.

+1 .....10 char

^bump^
as i don't have any Mod power to make it a sticky, much less make the original topic cross posted across the 5 SGS forums

115 Yes
7 No
Wow...

I didn't at first, but I found my self looking at the other forums today because its really obvious that there is tons of cross over. Of course I'd agree that development should be seperate, but cases and other things should totally be combined.

I just hope my sticky stays a sticky

jz9833 said:
It was like that at first, but I think they did this so that people wouldnt start flashing things on their phones without knowing which one it's for.
I wouldnt mind a general "Galaxy S General" forum though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It wasn't exactly like that at first I think..more precisely only the i9000 forum existed as it was the only device out at the time..
Right now we got almost the devices out the door and most of the stuff are compatible..if not minor tweaks make it compatible...
But yes thats exactly what the proposal will do..it will separate out the development with some room for cross development and keep the other categories like general the same

As long as the development sections are separate I think this its a good idea..
Especially if we have enough mods to watch over us...
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

and also take out the Galaxy Spica subsection which no one seems to use.

I do like the idea though the only thing I'm worried about is people getting confused in the development section. And I'm assuming since the software is basically the same for all the phones then themes would work across all phones.

yeah that might be an issue. if we do merge, I think it's best if people start id'ing their thread with something like
[CAPT] dadada
[VIBR] dadada
[EPIC] dadada

Let me clear things up a bit....the Development thread will have sub-forums for each device...so anything that is unique or only for 1 device will be in the sub-forum...things that work on all devices or multiple devices will go into the main Development forum where we will tag it something like this "[V][C][F]" which would mean works for Vibrant, Captivate, Fascinate only.

I agree, checking all the other SGS forums is a litle annoying.

kizer said:
I didn't at first, but I found my self looking at the other forums today because its really obvious that there is tons of cross over. Of course I'd agree that development should be seperate, but cases and other things should totally be combined.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was under the impression that the Vibrant and Captivate don't use the same cases (Captivate has lines vs curves), so already there is an instance where this idea falls apart.
Theres going to be a SGS with a keyboard soon, that case won't be compatible with cases for the other phones.
So....we could mix the Vibrant and i9000 forums because they're basically the same form factor, but why bother.
There is enough different about all these phones that it's probably better keeping them separated.
-----
EDIT:
With that said, when there is an issue with one phone, it does seem to carry over to the others and it is freaking annoying having to delve the forums of the other phones to find a solution.
Unfortunately, what is the "better" solution? Either one is going to be somewhat confusing for somebody.

Bump.
To the people that still doesn't know about this idea, please go vote if you would like to see the big Galaxy S family forum merged.
Thanks.

[DISCUSSION] Merge subforums? A single development Forum for ALL HTC Vision phones?

This post is up for discussion
Regarding the "HTC Vision" T-Mobile G2 & the "HTC Vision" HTC Desire Z, right now each one has its own separate subforum
We are talking about the same phone (with slight brand and band differences) over two different subforums. ROMs would be different, but the hardware is the same
DISCUSSION:
- Should the "HTC Vision" G2 & "HTC Vision" Desire Z's subforums better get merged ?
- Could there be more collaboration and cross-information in such case ??
- Have we previously had a symilar experience with another HTC device ??
- Or is it better to keep both phones' android development appart, over separated subforums ??
(and separate other future "HTC Vision" variants too, like the upcomming HTC Vision for Verizon, the ADR6325 aka HTC Merge/Lexikon)
- What's best for development / ROM cooking purposes ??
.

Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre

andrewilley said:
Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
"Vision" is not obsolete, even official ROMs seem to be labeled as "RUU Vision HTC WWE etc..."
Some users @ G2 forums are reporting flashing the Desire Z ROM into the G2
EDIT: up to date only one user
and in the Desire Z forums some users are following the G2's root process
Time will tell for sure, but looks like they are the same phone,
just different radios and badges
.

Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.

By TOTAL coincidence I PMed one of the mods last night about this same topic.
I believe his/her intention was to bring it up with the other moderators to see what the deal is, since the G2 and the Z so far as we know only have very slight differences:
Frequency Bands
ROM size
this would fall under the same situation as other devices such as the fuze/touch pro (aka Raphael) (yes I know ROM wasnt different sizes).
If there were serious differences that would cause ROM incompatabilities then sure
"Desire Z Android Development" and "G2 Android Development" sub-fora would do the trick????
But as a device family they are still both a HTC Vision.

There @ G2's fora, by now, seems only one person has reported cross-flashing
I don't have a D-Z or G2 to confirm /deny, so
I am eagerly following the G2 forums (and the desire Z's release date ) for more evidence
ericc191 said:
Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had the same idea initially,
but no poll is required if the hardware is the same
.

Our stance in a case like this where there is a USA variant of a phone that is nearly identical to the Euro-spec phone is to still have separate forums. This leads to the least amount of confusion. What would happen (and we've tried this for other devices in the past) is that some people will post their G2 questions (usually T-Mobile specific) in the Desire Z forum, thus requiring the moderators to constantly migrate posts. Also, G2 ROMs won't work on the Desire Z.
For now, we'll keep them separate. If anyone has a major disagreement (now or in the future), please send me a PM.

Well, IMHO it's a good decision to have separate sections.
See TMOUS HD2 and Europe HD2.

Shouldn't it be one general and two development then?
Like X10 Mini and X10 Mini Pro.

Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.

Desire Z is starting to ship. Let's wait a few weeks to see the level of development there is for each device. If needed, we will merge.

kholk said:
Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so... are we going to have yet another forum for BELL users only ??
hmmm...
as svetius stated,
let's see what happens when more of us get our D-Zs,
but lets not close the possibility
.

Ponder this for a minute.
The G2 and Desire Z (although not yet in circulation) are very popular devices. By keeping separate forums for each device, your chances of finding accurate information increases, and helps the mods keep the forums cleaner. If the two were combined, I guarantee you that we would receive even more complaints about "noobs" posting in the dev section and creating new threads to ask questions that have already been answered. By keeping separate forums it makes my job keeping Desire Z clean (weeding out these complaints and stopping them from happening) and CaptainKrtek to keep G2 clean.
With that said, would you rather have easy navigation and a clean fora, or would you rather have the two combined, which IMHO, really holds no purpose?

I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??

gtrab said:
I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I understand they have already made breakthroughs on the G2, but what would be easier for an up-and-coming DZ owner? Weed through all the items in G2 fora or have a fresh start with a relatively new fora? Trust me, Devs will not limit themselves to the DZ fora for info. If there is something out there, they will find it, and incorporate it in DZ forum, you just have to give it some time. In the mean time, SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND

Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today

gtrab said:
Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol, Damn Skippy! Congrats

I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.

Pickx said:
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It certainly holds its purpose for the HD2.

I can't see the benefit in keeping things separate. As gtrab said, I too am now keeping track on both sets of forums. Pretty much everything over in ROM development for the G2 is relevant to the DZ. There is going to be an awful lot of duplication over the coming weeks. Either that, or the DZ forums will be quiet with more and more people going over to the G2 side. But if DZ stuff is asked about over on G2, I presume that'll be off-topic. Seems like a mess to me.
I can understand the idea of waiting and seeing how it goes though, just wish the decision was otherwise.

Why does the ROM get it's own forum unlike others?

This question has been asked here (http://www.xda-developers.com/android/from-the-bbq-omnirom/) but seems didn't get a reply from mods.
what makes it so special compared to other ROMs like AOKP/PA which are just threads in the device forums. Pulser_g2 has mentioned transparency in another post in the past but this forum section seems to go above forum rules. thanks

You know i've been wondering that myself...not that i care really. I'm more excited about wanting to port it lol ...will still be nice to know

Could Be Anyone said:
As far as I know it doesn't. The main Omni sub forum is only here for better communication between the devs and its community otherwise as far as I know the ROMs itself will be in their own respected device forums.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
then why not just create the relevant threads on the supported devices?
I never saw a dev/maintainer having problems communicating with its users on the device threads.

honestly does it really matter? this is how it should be for cynogen/aokp/paranoid as well since they are the most popular. will make communication and guides a whole lot easier.
perhaps this is xda way of going down that isle

It has a cooler wizard crew and a better wizard beats mix tape
Sent from my HTC One

My guess (purely a guess) is because there is meant to be more community discussion around new features. CM seems to just be lead devs in private discussions about upcoming stuff, the rest of us know about it when the commits start to roll.
This sort of "upcoming feature" talk is more appropriate in a central forum, rather than spread across x amount of individual device threads that noone will ever read. The "Feature Development" sub also sort of confirms this a bit.
M.

mrjayviper said:
then why not just create the relevant threads on the supported devices?
I never saw a dev/maintainer having problems communicating with its users on the device threads.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The plan is for these forums to be for coordination between developers on device-independent stuff. I also hope to have, eventually, a "neutral ground" where the leads of various projects can communicate. There are always going to be things (usually differences in UI/UX direction) that drive the existence of multiple projects - but there are a lot of areas where the work done is common and I think that the various projects can do better communicating.
I would not have any problem with other firmware projects having coordination forums for "core" work here on XDA.
As I've said in other posts - this is the very earliest stages of things, and there are still a lot of details to work out. There's a possibility that the current "omni" forums could change drastically in structure as things get fleshed out better.

Thanks Entropy. clear and concise. couldn't ask for more. all power to the new team/ROM. Competition is ALWAYS good.

mrjayviper said:
Thanks Entropy. clear and concise. couldn't ask for more. all power to the new team/ROM. Competition is ALWAYS good.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is an experiment - while we can sit around at XDA Towers and come up with wonderful ideas of how to improve things for developers, it's important to see how they work.
In this case we can see how the concept of having a centralised area for non device specific discussions works. It's easier to try it out on something that can be undone if needed, which is starting off slowly.
If that works out, I don't think it takes a genius to imagine the direction that we would look towards in the future.

It's worth noting that Rootzwiki sort of has a similar structure for AOKP and a few others under the "Team Forums" section. Definitely seems like a good structure to experiment with. I know a lot of ROMs tried running their own forums but the problem is that everyone is here and no one wants to make a bunch of new accounts, so this makes more sense in the long run.

Sveke said:
It has a cooler wizard crew and a better wizard beats mix tape
Sent from my HTC One
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think what you mean to say its the bonnie wizzer and the king grux grew crew!
I can't believe you actually said mix tape. I have a pair of Converse that say mix tape.
From the VERY little I've seen about this rom it's reminding me of SalvageMod, which I really really liked.

interloper said:
I think what you mean to say its the bonnie wizzer and the king grux grew crew!
I can't believe you actually said mix tape. I have a pair of Converse that say mix tape.
From the VERY little I've seen about this rom it's reminding me of SalvageMod, which I really really liked.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was a workaholics reference, obviously you didn't get it.
Sent from my HTC One

Don't want to date myself, but we had a similar forum back in the Motorola heyday.
Back than seem editing and various other methods of modding
various Motorola phones, starting with the Motorola v3 were discussed.
It worked very well than and should now. Motorola released different phones,
but they all basically had the same but updated firmware.
I am the Administrator of one of the forums that still survives, but not much activity these days.
SEE HERE

[DISSCUSION]About locked bootloaders

First of all, i don't wanna get flamed because of this, this is just a thought, nothing more, i just wanted to discuss abit more about this, since there's no real discussion thread in any forum about this. So, as we all know, there's no real way to unlock bootloaders wich have bootloader unlock allowed:No status. Yet. I think there is a way, because, let's be honest, it's not a hardware restriction. That means, someone, somewhere, with enough knowledge and experience maybe could unlock it. While Sony's software is really good, i am a long time XDA member, and with a huge history of devices, i really don't like being restricted on Stock ROMs and kernels. This situation has honestly never happened to me, and it's my fault not checking the device i took. Feel wise, this phone is the best i owned. It feels right. It feels premium. The battery is great. The screen is great also, and the camera too. I love it. Just the feel of being locked forever makes me scared actually. Mainly because i plan to stay with this phone for atleast two or maybe more years since it's just too great. And, seeing as Android grows, our device will already be outdated with the next android release. Sure, that's not a problem for users with unlocked bootloaders, since they will be supported with CM/it's kangs and AOSP custom ROMs for the next gen for sure, and maybe even the one after that. But what's with us that have bootloaders locked? Marshmallow and that's it? No more updates? No more security patches? No new features? That just doesn't sound right. Now, i think we, as a community, should really do something about this, yea, maybe it's not a big thing for many of you, and for you with unlocked BL's, but for me it is. What are my thoughts, and our options could be:
1. We could raise a bounty, and buy/give a phone to someone experienced with unlocking and hardcore hacking (the first name wich comes to my mind is @geohot )
2. We could do some research, ask opinions from devs and litteraly everyone we can, do some experiments with this stuff (but that requires someone really brave hahah)
3. I don't know, you can tell me below.
But i really think we should do something about this finally.
NOTE that this includes Xperia Z1/Z2 users also.
Guys i at least want disscus this. Call me stupid and call this all above nonsense, but if there's at least a small shed of light, any hope, we should discover the way.

And sorry for the long post.
Sent using XDA One

There are lots of discussions about this in various Xperia threads.
Here is my $0.02
Geohot will not touch an Xperia device, he has had a C&D from Sony, so will not get involved with them.
No-one will seriously try to find a way to unlock the boot as there is a very simple way already, just buy a device that allows it. Why try and pick a very very difficult lock on the front door when the back door is left wide open. I understand some people have devices that cannot be unlocked but devs will always get ones which can.
Finally, have a look in the cross device development section for a thread about this. Munaji was trying to do just this but AFAIK he made very little progress.

gregbradley said:
There are lots of discussions about this in various Xperia threads.
Here is my $0.02
Geohot will not touch an Xperia device, he has had a C&D from Sony, so will not get involved with them.
No-one will seriously try to find a way to unlock the boot as there is a very simple way already, just buy a device that allows it. Why try and pick a very very difficult lock on the front door when the back door is left wide open. I understand some people have devices that cannot be unlocked but devs will always get ones which can.
Finally, have a look in the cross device development section for a thread about this. Munaji was trying to do just this but AFAIK he made very little progress.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Too bad. I'm sure he could do it.
Sent using XDA One