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WTF is up with the pissing matches

What the hell is up with all the fighting going on in this forum. A lot of people seem to ***** and moan about every little detail. It seems that whenever i go in to the popular threads like. Eugene's, or the lag fix, etc. and hit the last page, there is a lot of arguing going on. Can't we just be patient and content with what we are offered by the awesome work of the dev's we got. If we continue to ***** and moan about every little thing all they are going to do is work for themselves and maybe a couple of close friends and leave us out because all we ever do is complain. I know we are all eager to use our sweet ass phone to its full potential, but its going to take time. Just look at the g1 and how long it took to have it running at full potential and beyond. All i'm asking for is peace in this thread and make it a pleasure to come in here and read about new developments in peace. [end rant]

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Right on the money
You hit it right on the money.STFU people. Your not dev'n your bit**in, casuing it to slow down. We would porbally have CM6 if people would quit there yappin. Go play outside.

I sincerely hope you don't believe this thread is going to stop anything. This forum has been the same for many years and It will never change. This forum is full of children and they're all going to argue and fight. Your best bet is to ignore it and continue to what you're doing. Posting a thread like this puts yourself right down at their level.

for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.
i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life
If people posted their age (real of course) I would assume that the large majority are 12-17.
threads like this never seem to actually change anything, but it does make me feel a little better to see a few people not acting like 12 yr olds.
Im not getting all 'high and mighty' but i think i act like a 'normal' person (not a whiny brat).
--not saying that younger people should not be here, or course they should, they just should not act so stupid, aggressive, impatient, disrespectful, immature with the comments

Coming from ppcgeeks this place is a war zone. I actually stayed at ppcgeeks even when I had a nexus one because everyone here is so rude.
You make a new topic and God forbid there's been another one days ago made, so now everyone jumps on your case hard core.
Unfortunately I have to come here cause ppcgeeks is mainly cdma ..
But it took a learning curve coming here.. gotta put on war paint to make a thread or even a post..lol

or if people want to argue about silly little things they can use this thread or make one thread just for arguing, if thats what gets you off, but leave the development threads clean and only post about relevent things dealing with the actual thread
p.s. Thanks Mods for moving it to the proper forum

kboater said:
for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.
i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life
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Welcome to the internet and the power of anonymous posting! Nothing works better than a mask to hide behind and do and say things *most* people wouldn't do or say face to face.
Luis

Cool story bro.
Sent from the Matrix

Funny all the *****y haters didnt post yet.....hahahaha
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noticed it myself, and suspect some of it is due to feelings of inadequacy on some posters' - literally
there's one poster that 90%+ of his/her posts are rude, illogical and slamming on someone else's post - i've started to suspect that poster just needs to feed his/her own feelings of self-importance, and a keyboard is an easy & convenient tool

Waaah! My phone don't work! Waaaah! People won't stop complaining! Waaaah! People don't do the things I want them to do!
You know what complaining about complainers gets you? More complainers. Yeah.

Yeah?!?!?!
Well F you for starting this thread BRO!!!
/sarcasm

F everyone i'm done [throws vibrant out window] going back to the g1

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765441

I guess we should all be happy with beta-at-best quality work just because we're "lucky" to get the attention.

any phone has issues. Hell if its not the GPS its something else. N1s wacky touch screen that sucks, Droid x locked bootloader, evo separated screen and frame cap, etc.
No matter what there will always be something needing fixing or in samsungs eyes
OPTIMIZATIONS lol

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lol nice example

I read the title as "missing patches". Haha, I thought you were gonna be whining about no patches for gps or something.
I agree tho, been thinking it was just the captivate side with all the iphone people new to xda. I actually thought of leaving and coming back in a couple of months when things settle down.
Sent from my captivate

From what I see a lot of the pissing matches comes when 1 person has a different opinion on something and everyone has to tell him/her that is wrong.
I do agree though no one should EVER ***** or complain to a developer.
However if someone states a flaw without going oh my god this ruined my phone, but only just states it I don't see why everyone has to try to jump on them (usually the case).
For example in one thread I stated that I missed froyo and I hate that the Vibrant doesn't have it yet. Someone asked me what i missed, I answered with exactly what I missed and examples and I got jumped on for being impatient about developers releasing it. Never once did I say I wanted CM or any develeoper to release it (in fact I want it directly from Samsung), but the pitch forks came screaming those aren't big deals and and i needed to stfu and wait for a developer to release it.... which was never my point.
Too many people think there way is the only right way to think. Its rather annoying to see how far people will go too. Also I find that alot of people in these pissing matches don't read entire posts which I find funny because 1 person is usually arguing with someone who has the same general opinion but slightly different and they make it out to be a night and day difference.

Nobody cares!

The Atrix is a great phone. This is the reason I bought this phone, and the reason many of you bought this phone. If I have learned anything from technology it would be that EVERYTHING has its short commings as well as good things. Because of the technological advances we have been "trained" to think every bit of technology is or should be perfect and if it is not, simply complain about it. "Back in the day" people would have though black magic is at work looking at a phone such as the Atrix; yet we still complain about it all the time. This is a dual core phone for Christs sake! As long as the PHONE does it job and allows you to use its PHONE functions, it has done his job and you should be satisfied. This is a smart phone, it is smart - it does what you need but when it loads 0.002 seconds slower than you except you bi--h and complain about how you're going to return it and how it was the worst phone you've ever had. Please...people...if the phone does what you need it to do in a timely manner, it is fine. I and several other xda brethren are sick of hearing all your sad "goodbye Atrix" stories. Just stop it, if you have a legitimate complaint please call Motorola or use the official Motorola support forum.
Thanks for reading!
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Well said, I often read the same bullcrap from Nokia N900 users over at the Maemo forums whining about their devices. Does my head in.

Amen brotha!

Here's an example for your amusement.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54773
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52479

I was pointed to the board by a friend after I grew tired of my iPhone and decided to go to android, I spent weeks researching and decided that the Atrix was the best phone for me at the time, and guess what... It was. I love it and have no doubt in my mind I bought the right phone. I have grown tired of all the negative attitudes on this board, the flames and trolls, and nay sayers.
I wish they would just leave the board so those of us that enjoy our Atrix can see what can be done and what we will be able to do with it.
A healthy discussion is one thing but I grow weary of the rhetoric and hyperbole that passes for argument here.

I want people to keep *****ing and leaving!
I love reading the responses to the OP's parting comments. Usually hillarious and help me get through the day!

Well said. I agree with your post, and myself am a little dismayed at the attitude of people here. I havent seen this much complaining on previous technical forums I've gone to. That said, this is the internet and so its really to be expected that people will act like this on some level. Its sad, but there's not much that can be done about it.

Dunno how this thread contributes in anything it only triggers flaming.
Thread closed.

I am definitely sending my tablet back - no refund

Hi all!
I experienced a couple of issues with my tablet, but nothing crazy as far as now. I was still considering an exchange instead of a refund.
I have a faulty jack port, bad speakers balanced (corrected after root), and like every body else, bad battery monitoring with the dock losing charge while doing nothing. Some light bleeding, but minor and I didn't really cared. Oh and also, bad LED lights behaviour on the dock, which may be corrected with a dock firmware update, or not.
Anyway, the even worst surprised today is that my power adapter is dead. This is too much for me. I am really disappointed by Asus quality. Honestly, I can deal with some software issues, I can admit that such a complicated design like a tablet may lead to a faulty jack port (and even that...) but, really, a wrong design in the power adapter TOO ? How such a common and basic thing can go wrong ? And it is not like I have done something crazy with it, just plug it on the main to charge the dock/tablet and that's it. After 2 weeks, dead.
Asus, maybe you should reconsider some bits of you engineering process and especially the quality checks parts.
So my decision is taken, I will send it back and that's it. No more TF101 for me. I may wait for the next generation (October ?) hoping that the first generation was a test but maybe not. I will see. I liked the tablet.
We are not talking about a $1 toy and I clearly expected another quality paramount.
This is sad, when it works properly the tablet is good for the use I am looking at and the keyboard with extended battery is simply smart and useful. When you can charge it...

Get ready for the crazy fanboys to troll your thread with messages like "Mine is fine so you must be imagining it" or "You're in the minority" and then finish it up by calling you a troll.
You listed some issues that I forgot about. You're lucky you're taking the easy way out. TD doesn't allow refunds so I was forced to send it in to Asus on my dime. Counting all of the issues this device is plagued with will run you >$100.00 in postage alone to send this POS back.
Now I hear the B6O revision is better and it makes one feel like ****. B6O should have been what the device should have started with. They ripped everyone off.
We are not talking about a $1 toy and I clearly expected another quality paramount.
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Apparently this is lost on the fanboys.

Tubular said:
Get ready for the crazy fanboys to troll your thread with messages like "Mine is fine so you must be imagining it" or "You're in the minority" and then finish it up by calling you a troll.
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Apparently this is lost on the fanboys.
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I think that I was part of the fanboys when I firstly received my tablet/dock. But each day was a new bad surprise.
On the good side, amazon does a very great job. They pay back everything : product+shipping costs+cost to ship back and insure it. We cannot expect better that having a product we don't want to send back.

fanboys are an unfortunate part of forum life. if you think they're bad here head over to the archos forums. you cant say one bad thinb wighout someone telling you it's your fault and that your expectations are too high. i rma'd my archos 4 time befor giving up and getting transformer. While i love my tf, i did exchange my first one for light bleed and dead pixel. current one is not perfect,but well within my tolerance level compared with my archos.
i think qc is a problem across the tablet spectrum right now. for the price i do think the tf is the best deal going.
that said ignore the fanfoys and do what in righg for you. the acer is not as nice and a little heavier, but has better build quality for the price.

How do you tell what revision you have? Is it printed on the exterior of the tablet? Ie, can I check something like that while I'm in the store easily?
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gottahavit said:
fanboys are an unfortunate part of forum life. if you think they're bad here head over to the archos forums. you cant say one bad thinb wighout someone telling you it's your fault and that your expectations are too high. i rma'd my archos 4 time befor giving up and getting transformer. While i love my tf, i did exchange my first one for light bleed and dead pixel. current one is not perfect,but well within my tolerance level compared with my archos.
i thing qc is a problem across gnd tablet spdctrum right now. for the price i do think the tf is the best deal going.
that said ignore the fanfoys and do what in righg for you. the acer is not as nice and a littld heavier, but has better build quality for ghd price.
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Funny, I seriously considered the iconia before getting the TF, just knew that I could not live with the screen as I often work with my tablet in direct sunlight and there is quite a difference between the iconia and say the TF or galaxy tab 10.1.
Sorry you had many issues with your machine.....for what its worth, I've boughtAsus products for 15 years and they are usually good quality, but every manufacturer has issues here and there. Hope it works out for you :-D

yeah....anyone who's satisfied with their purchase is a "Fanboy" and anyone who's plagued with problems is "to be expected"

Welcome to xda's technical support for the TF. We are here to listen to all of your complaints and issues. If we seem yo not care, it's because we don't. Feel free to continue spamming our forums with all of your unproductive and useless threads. We look forward to your feedback.
Good day
PS. I am not a fanboy. Just a veteran xda user who is getting tired of the load of bull**** on these forums. Feel me?
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rpavich said:
yeah....anyone who's satisfied with their purchase is a "Fanboy" and anyone who's plagued with problems is "to be expected"
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no anyone who pops into every topic that is discussing an issue just to tell everyone that either the problem doesn't really exist or you should have researched more, or what do you expect for the $, is a fanboy. also they tend to reply to posts asking about quality with comments like.."there are almost no issues,ignore what you read about issues, only the few with issues actually post, so they look more common than they are".
;-)

Bateluer said:
How do you tell what revision you have? Is it printed on the exterior of the tablet? Ie, can I check something like that while I'm in the store easily?
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The serial number is on the bottom edge of the tablet, near the charging port. It's also on the back of the box, along with other info and some barcodes.
Good luck.

Welcome to xda's technical support for the TF. We are here to listen to all of your complaints and issues. If we seem yo not care, it's because we don't. Feel free to continue spamming our forums with all of your unproductive and useless threads. We look forward to your feedback.
Good day
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Yeah, because technical support here is so farfetched. Listen if you want to be an asshole, that's your prerogative but don't act like there aren't people here who want to help people. So your implicit statement that there is no technical support here is false on its face. Ya feel me playa?
Asus Technical Support is so bad the users have to get it wherever they can. Oops.
yeah....anyone who's satisfied with their purchase is a "Fanboy" and anyone who's plagued with problems is "to be expected"
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Yeah, this would be funny if you weren't unintentionally acting like a dumb ass to try to gain some clout.
It's actually anyone satisfied with their purchase but believes that the existence of someone who is unsatisfied with their purchase due to massive issues is about as likely as a unicorn or a leprechaun and his pot of gold.
You wouldn't happen to fit that description would you?

starplaya93 said:
Welcome to xda's technical support for the TF. We are here to listen to all of your complaints and issues. If we seem yo not care, it's because we don't. Feel free to continue spamming our forums with all of your unproductive and useless threads. We look forward to your feedback.
Good day
PS. I am not a fanboy. Just a veteran xda user who is getting tired of the load of bull**** on these forums. Feel me?
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Yep ... sums up my sentiments too.
Not a fanboy. I have a couple of small issues with my unit but, to be honest, i have similar issues with laptops, tvs, cameras, phones also. Problem is with sites like this you often start to notice things that the average Joe wouldnt even spot.
What Im getting fed up with is posts telling us that people are returning their units ...
Check out the Apple forums, or the Xoom forums, or the Samsung forums. EVERY item has faults. Maybe technology is moving too fast for production quality to keep up ? who knows ???
Ive found XDA great over the years, and the forums are very helpful. The problem these days is that the forums are getting clogged with people who seem to think everyone is interested to know that they are returning their unit ?? why do we need to know ??? utterly pointless and just a product of the Facebook era probably ....
Seriously ... if you have a question... use XDA. If you have an issue ... use XDA. If you just want to tell us whats going on in your life PLEASE use facebook.
There are lots of people who want help and want support - or people who genuinely have hints and tips. Problem is you cant see their posts as they get lost amongst all the other drivvle people post.
Hopefully you will find a unit that suits you but I assure you that every unit is prone to problems. Show me a forum for any item of any make or model where nobody has found a fault or ptoblem and ill eat my hat.

Also, let's cut this hypocritical nonsense out. If someone posted a thread about how much they loved the TF none of you would be raging over it. But when someone posts a thread about giving up on the TF you're all raging over it and how inappropriate it is.
The statement that these kinds of non-technical posts don't belong on here is laughable when you consider the double standard. If there are going to be threads for people who are throwing themselves all over the TF, there are going to be threads for people to explain their displeasure. Anything else is one sided and biased.
Of course you'd go for that if you were so insecure you couldn't handle someone reading something negative about the TF.

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Also, let's cut this hypocritical nonsense out. If someone posted a thread about how much they loved the TF none of you would be raging over it. But when someone posts a thread about giving up on the TF you're all raging over it and how inappropriate it is.
The statement that these kinds of non-technical posts don't belong on here is laughable when you consider the double standard. If there are going to be threads for people who are throwing themselves all over the TF, there are going to be threads for people to explain their displeasure. Anything else is one sided and biased.
Of course you'd go for that if you were so insecure you couldn't handle someone reading something negative about the TF.
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Im not insecure. far from it.
No problem reading negative stuff. If you check my posts ive had problems.
BUT
We dont need a thread from EVERY person who decides to leave. If you really think that the General forum needs a new thread from every person who has decided to return their TF then you are either very stupid or a genuine Troll.

We dont need a thread from EVERY person who decides to leave. If you really think that the General forum needs a new thread from every person who has decided to return their TF then you are either very stupid or a genuine Troll.
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The number of people who have left is far greater than the number of people who have made threads. I've been watching this forum for a while and I can tell you right now that the number of "I'm leaving" threads that have sprouted are far too little to warrant your kind of response.
You act as if there are twenty per day, all clogging up the main page. This is certainly not the case. This is not a major epidemic.
To think two different people can't make a thread on their experience and why they're leaving is absurd. This isn't four threads discussing the same tip on how to reset the the device. Each story is unique and therefore a separate point of discussion.

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The number of people who have left is far greater than the number of people who have made threads. I've been watching this forum for a while and I can tell you right now that the number of "I'm leaving" threads that have sprouted are far too little to warrant your kind of response.
You act as if there are twenty per day, all clogging up the main page. This is certainly not the case. This is not a major epidemic.
To think two different people can't make a thread on their experience and why they're leaving is absurd. This isn't four threads discussing the same tip on how to reset the the device. Each story is unique and therefore a separate point of discussion.
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more than happy for everyone to post their 'unique' experiences ... in one single thread !!!
Then all those who want to share know exactly where they can find them !!
Everyone else can see 'the wood for the trees' .....

The easiest way is to look for the black sealing tape on both sides of the box. The B60K,newer version, will have black instead of green tape.

The problem that I have is that there are bizzilion threads on here with people *****ing that there Trasformer is a piece of crap. Everytime someone wants to complain they start a new thread which is getting a little out of control.
I have complaits about the Transformer but I did my research first. I knew there were problems with it just like any new product.

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Get ready for the crazy fanboys to troll your thread with messages like "Mine is fine so you must be imagining it" or "You're in the minority" and then finish it up by calling you a troll.
You listed some issues that I forgot about. You're lucky you're taking the easy way out. TD doesn't allow refunds so I was forced to send it in to Asus on my dime. Counting all of the issues this device is plagued with will run you >$100.00 in postage alone to send this POS back.
Now I hear the B6O revision is better and it makes one feel like ****. B6O should have been what the device should have started with. They ripped everyone off.
Apparently this is lost on the fanboys.
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Where do you go to check if you have the B6O revision?
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Serial number on the box or the back lower of the unit.

What's wrong with XDA?

When I first came to this forum, I was admittedly lost and confused.
I had my Samsung Vibrant for a very short time, and it was giving me non-stop problems; It was nothing; but a headache. I bought the phone believing some of the hyperbole that surrounded it. My previous Samsung (Dumbphone) had worked beautifully for a year until it's touchscreen died. Considering the fact that it featured a "resistive" touchscreen, and factoring in normal wear from daily use. I just couldn't be mad about it. It served it's purpose. This was my reason for purchasing the Samsung Vibrant. I was ready to buy a much better device with a better touchscreen; I had done my homework on Android, and was waiting for the right time to purchase an Android device.
I didn't want the Behold 2; I checked it out, and after handling a live model at the store, it felt cheap and I was a little surprised by that; because the Behold 1 was literally made with REAL Metal etc.
I visited this site, and realized that I could ACTUALLY replace the inoperable ROM
that was leaving my Samsung Vibrant non-functional
I posted my issues looking for answers and was instead attacked vigilantly by developers and other members here
This was the exact opposite of what I was expecting.
I've noticed that Developers here frequently bully other users here, and they have friends who use rogue tactics which cause the developers to close ANY thread which openly criticizes Samsung or T-Mobile in a negative way.
Recently we found out that the creator of the Cyanogen mod was just hired by Samsung!
Based on the response even to the most subtle of my issues
I have had nothing but suspicion since the beginning.
I have been wondering who your company holds in the best interest
Is it the people?
Yourselves?
Or the corporations you seek jobs (and/or) sponsorships from or look to gain sponsorship from?
All I can say is that when your site claims it is for the developers you leave some important things out of the equation.
This site is frequented by regular people who do not have the money or time to go and buy ten different phones to play with.
Some of us don;t have the time to sit there for hours and work on code
There are REGULAR people who are members of this site
they have issues like me, and we do not act like we know everything
we are not selfish and narcissistic.
You have never considered as as a factor
were sick of the bullying and favoritism
and I was the first to fight back
I am asking
What's wrong with XDA?

It's not you, It's me.

The best advice to any new user that I can give is to sit, watch, and read. If you come in your first day and post a question that gets asked on a weekly basis you will be flamed. If you have a reasonable level of tech savy, and watch and read the forums for two weeks or so 90% of your questions will be answered and almost all of those that aren't can be found easily by searching (the xda search function sucks imo but a Google search returns xda pages easily).
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Lol Your post really touched me because that's how life and the real world is. Not so much on XDA. If you at least read the first full post and the last page of the thread you will know about any bugs/fixes and won't be flamed for asking the same question. I know it's kind of intimidating when people who build the ROMS tell you your wrong about something and openly express displeasure about having to answer the same question over and over. But you also have to keep in mind that this is an open community and anywhere you go in life or the internet there will be assholes and trolls but 99 percent of the members of this forum are cool people who can relate to not being able to afford 3 phones. Lighten up bud. If you have at least the slightest knowledge about technology and problem solving. You should be just fine. BTW most trolls have 0-25 posts and 0-3 thanks and are juniour members. Just something I thought I'd share.

It be like dat
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oh, and to answer your question, it sounds like you are the problem with xda. i've never had a problem. i've never blamed samsung or tmob for me purchasing the vibrant (and i love my vibrant), i don't demand or expect anything from the devs, i just appreciate what they do for us and try and help others when i can.

It's about respect bro.
I've only been flashing for a couple months but i was lurking for a month before I posted.
I read, learned, and then asked. I got flamed sure, but now I try to help other users with their repeat questions so the devs don't have to.
Anyway... your post is probably going to fall on deaf ears.
You do not complain ON the site you're complaining ABOUT.
You're wasting your time and venting to the community you're venting about.
Pretty much making people mad at you is all you did
Sorry man.
Vibrant+MIUI

I've been here a while. I just lurk so I don't have to deal with assholes. I also read and use the search to avoid asking questions. 98% of the time my questions have already been asked and I find the answer myself.

Hey MicBeast, how did that class action law suit go for you? Make any more songs about it?
Its funny how you sound self righteous here, when I remember a much different person starting a lot of drama when I first saw your name popping up around here, a simple search and anyone can read that whole soap opera.
But hey, this is just one man's opinion.
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Dude....
Something uncomfy crawl up your pants leg ?
I've asked plenty of questions on this site....always got the answer (granted a few asswipes always show).
I've *****ed about both Slambung and Tblowbile, no one bad mouthed me for it.
Hell, I have a Motorola Photon on Sprint now (yes, it WAS that bad).
I don't see the problem.
If you don't like it.....walk the hell away.
Not one soul forced you to be here.

MicBeast, I just skimmed your 125 posts.
I will not say much, but maybe you should really think about what's wrong with xda... Keeping in mind that xda is a place for developing predominantly.

I've never had this kind of experience personally, and I actively discourage it in my thread. My thread its full of helpful nice posts and great individuals. I don't do this for any reason but the love of doing so, and never plan on doing it any other way. Its rude, insulting, and wrong to generalize anyone, you have only interacted with a fraction of the people on here. Once you have spoken with EVERY person, then you can make a statement, for now, please refrain from these gross generalizations.....
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I thought you have an Iphone now? So why are you lurking on these forums still?
You have nothing better to do than to waste your time harassing people you don't know on the internet?
If I remember correctly, I've seen YOU bullying quite a few different members. Causing much more drama than any developer I've ever seen.
XDA is for developers to share and "develop" their work, share ideas, etc... They don't necessarily have to be every newbie's personal tech support agent. They can help who they want on their own free will... And if they don't feel like being nice, or get fed up with the same questions asked over and over again, then by all means let them. No one is paying them, and they certainly aren't bound by any contracts.
This isn't a service, there's no 1800 number to call and complain to. It's a public forum, so deal with it. Take some time and appreciate the information that this forum is bulging at the seams with, for free, for anyone to learn.

I just looked at ur post an yea u are what is wrong with xda u go around an complain about how things aren't working troubleshoot it ur self an what about that iPhone which is "better" than android go to whatever fourm they have an just go away :-/
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Ok..here we go:
The name of the site should be a clear shot of what this site is all about, XDADEVELOPERS.COM.
Secondly...what's "wrong" with this site is the same as any other site...some members, either old or new, that think that they opinion is more valuable than other and for that they tend to bully themselves around
Third...why even start a thread about this topic when you clearly know the reaction it's going to cause...in my book that is considered a type of trolling and even though I'm up for trolling the OT fora every now and then, do not agree with threads that will stir up the pot (if you know what I'm mean )
Hence, thread closed.
Best regards with your future endeavors mate...come back and visit

@mod please delete this mess

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How many project treble threads do we need?

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Apology accepted
Also can I point out, a lot of the pie gsis don't have access points in the settings, hence the need for the editor.

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if you are like me that's what you need and you don't want to get flamed for asking too many questions as XDA is a developer site. If I've had an attitude here I seriously apologize and I mean it I'm not just saying that and it will not ever happen again.
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I hope you realize nobody has anything against asking questions. In fact, it's encouraged. You got "flamed" because of the way you handled the answers you got.
It wasn't exactly flaming either. You flat out insulted the members offering help because it wasn't detailed enough. And the suggestions offered assumed you done a bit research beforehand. And you got the appropriate response.
You were then spoon-fed the answer and here you are, still playing the victim of "flaming".
Ask as many questions as it takes, seriously. That's never a problem. Just don't insult the members answering because they don't spoon feed it to you.

I noticed you linked my guide on how to root without given me proper credits for even making that guide... I'll give 24 hours for that to change. If it wasn't for me hosting spaceminers twrps ( which I 100% don't mind doing) and my guide there would be a lot more issues my guy lol I think it would be fair to say I contribute enough to get my credits due is all lol hell honestly the group for this phone was starting to die and it was just me barely keeping the forum alive for While until madbat, starkiller2 and spaceminer came on lol

Big yikes on this thread.

madbat99 said:
I hope you realize nobody has anything against asking questions. In fact, it's encouraged. You got "flamed" because of the way you handled the answers you got.
It wasn't exactly flaming either. You flat out insulted the members offering help because it wasn't detailed enough. And the suggestions offered assumed you done a bit research beforehand. And you got the appropriate response.
You were then spoon-fed the answer and here you are, still playing the victim of "flaming".
Ask as many questions as it takes, seriously. That's never a problem. Just don't insult the members answering because they don't spoon feed it to you.
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Just because you think something doesn't mean that's the way it is. I wasn't referring to anything that happened recently with my op.
I was over the whole situation that happened. I admitted I was wrong. Now you come stir things up here?! Minding your own business will eliminate most of your problems in life. If you took what I said here in my op the wrong way that's you. Y'all can have this. I've already wrote and waiting for them to delete my account. So go to sleep tonight knowing that you won the battle that you wouldn't let go of.
I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry , again for what I posted last week. I shouldn't have done it. Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
And to the other person, my bad for not throwing you in the credits. It was a mistake not intentional or personal.
I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
Sent from my Phh-Treble vanilla using XDA Labs

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Just because you think something doesn't mean that's the way it is. I wasn't referring to anything that happened recently with my op.
I was over the whole situation that happened. I admitted I was wrong. Now you come stir things up here?! Minding your own business will eliminate most of your problems in life. If you took what I said here in my op the wrong way that's you. Y'all can have this. I've already wrote and waiting for them to delete my account. So go to sleep tonight knowing that you won the battle that you wouldn't let go of.
I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry , again for what I posted last week. I shouldn't have done it. Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
And to the other person, my bad for not throwing you in the credits. It was a mistake not intentional or personal.
I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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See I won't say much but from all the stuff I read there was ways to handle stuff that you didn't do to well handling and as bad as it sounds any meme you see about tech or dev community stuff about all of us Basically just being smartasses is kinda true lol you experienced first hand how troublesome this can be now when you take it to seriously lol. If you see all my post I'm basically just being chill and a smartass while still helping just enough for people to still learn, and people realize that and that's the fun of it lol. All of us are just very blunt and forward and we try to keep our stuff "chill". most the guides and other stuff made on here even do say you should have some advanced knowledge of using adb And android which means understanding Android 8 or higher now. Basically anything you may have learned from Android 7 and under is old news after Android 8 and up. Now if we were dealing with a phone that shipped with Android 7 then the knowledge you have would be helpful here. Which is why to try to teach instead of just give lol We all have our own things going but even with what i said being here is sort of like a job and you can't bring your personal life into your worklife ya know. I'm not trying to hate I'm just being forward and honest about this wholeass situation. In the end some of us here are adults so we should also try our best to not make this place look like Reddit by hating each other lmao. Your always welcome in the community bro lol

SM210 said:
Advice section
1. Minding your own .business will eliminate most of your problems in life.
2 Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
3 I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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1. Big thanks. now that I'm in my forties I was hoping I could get life advice from millennials.
2. Couldn't agree more. Resentment is corrosive.
3. I think I can help... See #1 in your advice section.
Keep your spirits up. Life gets tougher. In fact, no one gets out alive in the end.
But my statement stands, ask as many questions as it takes. If you get flamed for asking many questions, and you've done your due diligence ( searching thread for previous answers, reading back a few pages, etc.), Then I can almost guarantee the community will rally behind you in defense of you.
Sometimes a bunch of stuff gets deleted from a thread, and you haven't been here every 10 minutes to skim it, assumptions get made ( guilty)
And you misunderstood me too. I wasn't coming down on you. I was just saying don't let anything that happened make you stop asking questions. And don't let it make you doubt yourself about asking things.
So relax, take breath,
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
$h!t snort and blaspheme
Let the heads cool and the engine run
Because in the end, everything we do...
Is just everything we've done.

madbat99 said:
1. Big thanks. now that I'm in my forties I was hoping I could get life advice from millennials.
2. Couldn't agree more. Resentment is corrosive.
3. I think I can help... See #1 in your advice section.
Keep your spirits up. Life gets tougher. In fact, no one gets out alive in the end.
But my statement stands, ask as many questions as it takes. If you get flamed for asking many questions, and you've done your due diligence ( searching thread for previous answers, reading back a few pages, etc.), Then I can almost guarantee the community will rally behind you in defense of you.
Sometimes a bunch of stuff gets deleted from a thread, and you've been here every 10 minutes to skim it, assumptions get made ( guilty)
And you misunderstood me too. I wasn't coming down on you. I was just saying don't let anything that happened make you stop asking questions. And don't let it make you doubt yourself about asking things.
So relax, take breath,
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
$h!t snort and blaspheme
Let the heads cool and the engine run
Because in the end, everything we do...
Is just everything we've done.
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Am I a millennial??!!!! Batsy say it isn't so. I'll drive off one of these stupid useless cliffs! My new hip should get me at least Boomer status.
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@SM210 bat Grandpa is right. Don't stop asking questions. That won't get you anywhere, just keep in mind that sometimes the only answer is "I don't know" or a partial answer while someone bangs out a better answer. We can't know everything (except me, obviously, but I promised to only reveal myself to the chosen one, I hear it's a chicken in Boise)
Just remember, we all do this because we enjoy it. Most of us, some of us just like to watch me fall down stairs. But we genuinely enjoy helping and getting to the aha moment. I no doubt handled that poorly. I'm not perfect either (I know, it shocked me too)
I apologise for cursing at you, but I was a sailor and it's my native language. No hard feelings.

Starkiller2 said:
Am I a millennial??!!!! Batsy say it isn't so. I'll drive off one of these stupid useless cliffs! My new hip should get me at least Boomer status.
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@SM210 bat Grandpa is right. Don't stop asking questions. That won't get you anywhere, just keep in mind that sometimes the only answer is "I don't know" or a partial answer while someone bangs out a better answer. We can't know everything (except me, obviously, but I promised to only reveal myself to the chosen one, I hear it's a chicken in Boise)
Just remember, we all do this because we enjoy it. Most of us, some of us just like to watch me fall down stairs. But we genuinely enjoy helping and getting to the aha moment. I no doubt handled that poorly. I'm not perfect either (I know, it shocked me too)
I apologise for cursing at you, but I was a sailor and it's my native language. No hard feelings.
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I couldn't possibly consider you a millennial. Lol.
Hey, I think I'm from the beginning of gen x
And I heard that chicken in Boise plays tic tac toe, and never loses. I should go see him. Wise oldd bird

madbat99 said:
I couldn't possibly consider you a millennial. Lol.
Hey, I think I'm from the beginning of gen x
And I heard that chicken in Boise plays tic tac toe, and never loses. I should go see him. Wise oldd bird
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Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!

Starkiller2 said:
Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Yeah yer probably gen x too.
I am in New Orleans, where there are wild city chickens that literally look both ways before crossing the road. Lol. I've seen it.
The locals here call chicken ,the meal, "yard bird". LMAO. No joke

Starkiller2 said:
Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.

Spaceminer said:
Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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Man..... That was beautifully put. I have never heard it put better. I'm gonna cry a little. I remember some of the absolutely suicidally dumb things my brothers used to do, and the things we were allowed to do, and I cringe.
I couldn't imagine sending my kids outside to play now and not seeing them till dark. Or be home alone all day in the summer. But then again we used to sled down the roof with cardboard boxes.... Which rocked. I remember seeing the internet become a real thing, cell phones that had battery packs that were 12 lbs, and when girls started making noise, we watched equal rights start to gain real momentum. We saw more advancement in our childhood than anyone ever has.

Spaceminer said:
Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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"76" here. I think you still count at the tail end of gen x. Similar stories anyways. VHS, NES, all the goods. I was in grade school in the 80's. 89 might have been junior high.