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I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
Unless someone here can tell the future....
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Someone with an inside source said that their timetable for releases is 2 months after a new version is released.
Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
The two month timetable isn't assume h that has been officially confirmed, so it may not be completely accurate.
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I've read a few articles which mentioned that although Motorola is now owned by Google, they are in fact keeping a "firewall" between the two companies. This could explain why the Moto X was released with 4.2 instead of 4.3.
Also, based on what I've seen in recent trends, carriers will be releasing Android OS updates over the air as opposed the Motorola (at least here in the States). Some approach OS updates better than others. Verizon is known to take their time releasing updates to phones because of the extensive testing they do with an upcoming update for a particular device. Take for instance the Droid DNA, a device released close to the end of last year which is only now getting the update to 4.2 from 4.1. I sincerely hope the Moto X does not see such neglect when it comes to future updates but I also wouldn't be surprised.
Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
with the ability to flash roms coming soon this may not matter
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scorpion667 said:
Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
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I'd like to believe that Moto offers better support than Samsung and HTC. The 4.3 update is still in the works but hard to put an eta on it as they probably still need time to make sure the moto apps and hardware is optimized to work properly. Other than improved performance and stability, I'm not missing anything by using 4.2.2 for now.
One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
housry23 said:
One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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This. If it's going to take moto two months, expect longer because it will need to be blessed by the carriers before OTA updates are pushed out.
I wonder where the T Mobile X fits in then... Will it be updated straight from Moto? If not that might be a big problem because T Mobile obviously doesn't even support the phone.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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You're right. I actually had a big long post about how once Motorola gets the code, implements their features, at&t still has to test it and approve. Hopefully, since it's basically stock android, it won't take as long because the skinning process doesn't have to happen.
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Motorola has a very mixed record so far with their updates. The OG Droid was actually quite good at getting updates in a timely manner and only trailed the Nexus by a few weeks. After Motorola switched to Blur though for all their devices they lagged behind by a few months and even though with Jelly Bean they removed most of the Blur apps in favor of stock, that was still nearly what 9 months after 4.1's source was released before the Razr, Bionic, Droid 4 all got it. In fact for a while there they were one of the slowest at releasing their updates.
Now the Moto X is a new beast though and different from what Motorola has done now so it's hard to say. All the previous devices were part of the "old motorola" and the X is the first device of the "new motorola". The X is almost pure stock so there is very little tweaking that will need to be done. They just need to add in support for their Camera App, Active Display and Touchless Controls, do any kernel updates/bug fixes and then test/resolve any new bugs that popped up in 4.3. Motorola has said that an update is in the works and will come out soon with many improvements for the Moto X. Is this 4.3 or just a newer 4.2.2 build? We don't know.
I'd like to imagine that we will see 4.3 released sometime between now and early October on all carriers considering Samsung announced they will begin to roll out 4.3 to the SGS4, SGS3 and Note2. If Motorola is the first to release a stable, solid build of 4.3 for their new X8 devices and continues to keep up with their updates in a quick and timely manner, it would do a lot to rebuild their name. Right now we just have to wait and see if Motorola is serious about getting better about releasing timely updates or not.
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I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
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I'm in contact with Punit Soni (Moto X product Manager). He's very active on Google+ and he addressed the update and OTA of 4.3 questions. He said when they officially released the device to distributors, 4.3 just got announced. So it was either delay the Moto X and piss off many pre-ordering customers, or continue with the primary plan and push through with 4.2.2.
He said the update is "Coming soon" as they always say, and he promises many fixes like Camera improvements, Picasa or Google Photos sync for Gallery, and OS 4.3 very soon.
"When will then be now? Soon!"
EDIT: wrong thread.
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Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
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Each OEM gets the source at the same time. Makes no difference. The only reason it takes so long is a mixture between putting loads of framework in. And wanting to get new hardware out.
Moto, working with next to stock android, will be much much faster. No they dont get special treatment per se. But time will be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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But time should be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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FIFY
If it goes the way the Tmobile nexus 4 goes than it will be updated right away. My son has the nexus4 bought directly from Tmobile store & it receives updates along with those bought directly from Google. I know its still a nexus and the moto x isn't but from what I understand the Tmobile version of the x doesn't have any carrier installed stuff on it, so hopefully it will be treated as a device like the Google editions.
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So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
Update: Its been confirmed that the Nexus 6 will drop on Verizon tomorrow and with 5.1 Lollipop. No word on a locked down BL though.
Google's Nexus 6 will finally reach Verizon on March 12th http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/11/google-nexus-6-for-verizon/ via Engadget Android
While the Nexus 6 has been confirmed to have 5.1, no word has been given about the DT being upgraded to 5.1 or any other version of Lollipop as of yet.
So according to what?
Sorry forgot to attach the link - OP updated
I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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5.1 is already out for limited devices. We may get 5.1 after all said and done
True, we most likely get 5.1, I just don't think this update. Most likely the next update, which should be faster once we are on lollipop.
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So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Nothing in the works eh? So there have been NO updates then?
Oh and its been 4 months, but what's rounding it up by another two gonna hurt? It makes it more dramatic.
Everyone wants Lollipop, but doesn't care that it is less stable than Kitkat. Lollipop is just another ICS repeat. ICS didn't start becoming truly stable until 4.1, which Google for some reason deserved a name change. It took forever for devices to update to ICS, and by the time some did, Jellybean was out. Lollipop is a full point release, and major Android overhaul. This is not a 4.0 -> 4.1 -> 4.3 -> 4.4 transition. This is a 4.4 -> 5.0 transition and major parts of Adroid have been reworked. It isn't just a theme. It hasn't been a smooth launch. Verizon is strict with their testing, and we all know that. They are not going to let an OS less stable than its predecessor pass testing on one of their flagship devices. Despite what you want to believe, the Turbo is their specific flagship and they will want it to be the most stable.
Hey, I want Lollipop too. However, Im willing to take the instability with it. Verizon apparently is not after seeing how it fared on the X. The truth has always been out there, no matter how much people want to ignore it: If you want the ultimate network and stability, you got Verizon. If you want bleeding edge software on your devices, you go elsewhere.
So to be frank, anyone who bought the Turbo expecting blazing fast updates should blame their own misconceptions.
You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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By far most reliable for me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept of XLTE or how it ties in with VoLTE but since the DT had it's second VoLTE update I haven't dropped one call and with XLTE I'm on LTE 97% even underground here in Chicago. And I make a lot of calls everyday. We all want updates as soon as possible but as long as what we have works then I can wait.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
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Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
Jweimn said:
Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
Chicken/Egg
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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Agreed, Verizon always seems to be the last to update.
Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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Every variant of this phone can be updated to Lollipop. Seems like your problem is your employer since the Maxx has an unlockable bootloader and CyanogenMod. Yeah the support for these devices has been horrible but oh well.
Cobra04 said:
Every variant of this phone can be updated to Lollipop. Seems like your problem is your employer since the Maxx has an unlockable bootloader and CyanogenMod. Yeah the support for these devices has been horrible but oh well.
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I would have considered CM if it had support for touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display. These are important to me, and some of the reason I went for the Moto Maxx. What you are saying is, I should give up most of the features I got this phone for just to get lollipop??? How convenient is that?
Motorola nor Verizon have anything to do with CM, my pain points are not coming from CM but from Motorola.
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Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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You can't really call yourself a power user and gloss over the fact you could have flashed Lollipop many months ago. It doesn't even have to be CM.
I don't get why your phone is still on 4.4.4. I'm running stock 5.0.2 with all the features that you like
Yawn.
I'm not sure why this is a surprise. The DX, released 5 years ago, and the next generations are on the same boat.
IMO, rooting and custom ROMs is not the same as it used to be as Android has taken so many steps forward.
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Moto MAXX XT1225 got stock Lollipop back in March, soon after Moto Turbo XT1225 (same device, same FCC ID) launched with Lollipop in India. 5.0.2.
I ran stock 5.0.2 for months on my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx, and on my Mexico Moto Maxx.
It was the Droid Turbo XT1254 stuck on 4.4.4, not the XT1225.
The stock 5.0.2 files are in the development section, if you want to flash them. For Brazil, Mexico and India.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3063470
Claro in Puerto Rico (and I think Chile, also) had a falling out with Motorola, so the Puerto Rico/Chile Moto Maxx never got an official OTA to 5.0.2. But if you have Puerto Rico XT1225, you just flash your phone to another country and get 5.0.2. Or flash the 5.0.2 image of your choice (Brazil, Mexico, India).
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Stock 5.1 is coming for the XT1225, but custom ROM 5.1.1 has been here for months. There's two custom 5.1.1 ROMs available -- one is AOSP, not CM based. So development support is here.
AOSP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3108708
CM 12.1:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3060089
We also have cool boot logos and animations like these:
BOOT ANIMATION
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3141711
BOOT LOGO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3065141
(Many more, just an example of each.)
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However, you say you can't run custom ROM, that you have to stay stock. Therefore, why have you not flashed stock 5.0.2 which has been available for the XT1225 since March?
I care less about CM for Quark but i am surprised to see that nobody released a stock based rom for our phones yet.
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I care less about CM for Quark but i am surprised to see that nobody released a stock based rom for our phones yet.
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There's an AOSP one. I know, not exactly the same as "stock". But we do have two completely different custom 5.1.1 ROMs.
You can also run stock 5.0.2, root and run xposed/Gravity Box and get as few or as many custom ROM features you want... While remaining on stock.
I would be very fine if someone provided us a custom rom based on stock brazil build of maxx, just something like computerfreak provided to Turbo users. It is funny that what i wanted for my phone is already available for the bootloader locked variant and missing from our bootloader free variant. This very well explains the popularity of the device within people is the key to its development potencial.
edit : even opened a request thread for it but nobody gave a f. , even our maxx users, leave alone the uninterested developers.
i think we should collect 450$ and buy juacos's maxx to a developer who would be happily developing good stuff for us.
i totally agree, last year i got the droid maxx and it had little development but i thought that the moto maxx being released worldwide would have a lot of support, i really love motorola, but i dont like this, its like having a lamborgini that only you can drive, theres no much development, i regret trading my oneplus one, it even had better battery than my moto maxx, and worse camera but under same usage my battery lasted more than moto maxx and the speakers were louder, this year i think i will buy a moto x or the new oneplus two, its real sad to write this but its the truth. no more moto maxx or droid maxx for me.
So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
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So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
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Power users and developers absolutely gamble with their devices. What it really comes down to is not about being power user nor developer friendly, but instead you want frequent and fast updates. The only device that will give you that is a Nexus and at this time you can have that on Verizon too.
Your stance defies everything an unlocked bootloader stands for.
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So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
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As Mexico, Brazil and India factory unlocked phones got 5.0.2 first, I imagine they will get 5.1 first.
Under no scenario does Claro Puerto Rico phones get 5.1 and factory unlocked XT1225 (Mexico, Brazil, India) does not.
You say Motorola has just announced 5.0.2 for Puerto Rico Claro. Well, this is mid July. Factory unlocked has had it since March, and will soon get 5.1 stock.
You sound a little silly saying if you flash the XT1225 to another country image or another Android version, you can't flash back if you want. Many people have flashed to 5.0.2 to custom ROM 5.1 and back to 4.4.4 on the XT 1225. One guy -- @Fulbring -- said he's done it at least 5 times... See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61498706
Many flashed to India, then to Brazil, then to Mexico to see difference (if any) in performance. You can also downgrade back to 4.4.4.
I flashed my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx 4.4.4 to India 5.0.2 and then to CM 12.1 Lollipop 5.1. I could easily flash it back to Claro Puerto Rico 4.4.4, if I wanted.
There's instructions. You just have to read. @Jaocagomez wrote an excellent thread about all this. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3074724
The key is having an unlocked bootloader. Where people have gotten into trouble is trying to flash update with locked bootloader.
I guess you guys are really happy with what you got. I expressed my opinion and not going to change it to please you.
I think Motorola can do better than this, and I think we deserve better than this. I will leave you guys to give me more lessons about how to be a power user.
Kiwironic said:
I guess you guys are really happy with what you got. I expressed my opinion and not going to change it to please you.
I think Motorola can do better than this, and I think we deserve better than this. I will leave you guys to give me more lessons about how to be a power user.
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I'm not disagreeing that Motorola dropped the ball on the XT1225 with a narrow release, instead of a world wide release that would have included Europe, all of Asia, and Canada. It is a super phone, and Motorola made people jump through hoops to get it.
It should have been as widely released as the Moto X, or even better this is the phone Motorola should have released as the Moto X.
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But still running 4.4.4 on the XT1225 is your fault, not Motorola. This phone -- the XT1225 -- has had stock 5.0.2 since March on all factory unlocked phones and many Brazil and Mexico carriers and you refuse to flash it on your XT1225.
There's clear instructions on how to do it. Instead you are waiting for a specific carrier OTA, when you do not need to do so.
The XT1225 is the same device across all regions, all countries. The India Moto Turbo XT1225 IDENTICAL in every way to the Latin America Moto Maxx XT2225.
Many, many people in these threads have upgraded, downgraded 4.4.4 to 5.02 and back again, flashed images from different countries, to prove it's not hard -- since our bootloader can be unlocked. The Droid Turbo XT1254 owners WISH they had our advantage!
The only reason I did not change region as I mentioned before is to be sure about a good upgrade path. However, since all updates indicates that BR has the highest chance for 5.1 update, then I have just flashed stock BR. People report that they are able to upgrade then downgrade, while others report bricked on downgrade. A smart user knows that gpt doesn't like being downgraded, and so I will not try this path.
I don't want just to update to lollipop, first of all I do not want to lose themoto features I already have, flashing custom or CM will not help, as it doesn't support the stock moto features. 5.0.2 is buggy and less secure and I do not want to flash it unless I have evidence 5.1 is around the corner. (even before having corporate apps)
Here I am now with BR stock, OTA updates are not available, I think I will have to flash the OTA manually. Let's see how that goes.
Now, since I am being accused of being "unreasonable", the question here is, are you satisfied with how Motorola is handling the device??? You can answer this question (at least to yourself) or you can just blame things on me and lecture me on how to be a power user because you know all about it
Up to you.
Thanks to all of you who objectively expressed your opinion without the bullying attitude some adopt.
I've had just about every Samsung phone since the galaxy S2 and note 1. I've also had the old razor maxx by Motorola and it was horrible. I have the droid turbo un rooted and I have to say it's been the best phone I've ever had. It's fast, great battery, awesome features. I don't care to root anymore because I personally don't see an advantage to it. Please don't argue with me, it's just my point of view for me. I love LP so far. And since the camera update this phone to me is flawless. I think you may be over reacting a bit OP.
@MaxX folks around the world, since we didn't pay for root or bl unlock, maybe we could collect some money and donate a mint condition moto maxx device to a developer who would develop rom / kernel support for his & our devices.. We could have had the faux123 kernel, imagine that with 3900mah battery.
Two Words: Root Access. It seems it may be harder to root Android M than we might have thought (Though we all expected this). So as a warning to those on 5.1 (whether you took the 5.1 OTA or waited for the 5.1 rooted img) and here is why:
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-at-marshmallow-root-verity-complications/
Given that a BL unlocked has not come out for the Droid Turbo on 4.4.4 or 5.1, this would possibly only make it harder to do so. I would suggest prolonging the OTA for as long as possible.
This is only a suggestion, however obviously you all are free to do as you please with your devices. Just wanted to give a fair warning. Though in this article it states that root might not be possible w/o BL unlock so moforoot might not even work because we can not modify our boot images.............yet (we hope). Again decision rest on your individual shoulders but I just thought, since Android M has been confirmed ( here ) for our devices, that we should at least be informed how this is going to affect our devices in the future (regarding root access and the probability of BL unlock mainly, of course). So it might not be wise to take the 6.0 update......at least not yet.
Let me know what you guys think.
We don't even have m yet....
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Yeah, we do. It's in my notifications now to update. Just wanna see what happens
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Yeah, we do. It's in my notifications now to update. Just wanna see what happens
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That's not M. [emoji23]
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That's not M. [emoji23]
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Lol don't crush his dreams.
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It's my understanding that what you posted may not really be that relevant.
For example, we can't root 5.1 for the Turbo. Unless of course you were already rooted on 4.4.4. Maybe rooting 6.0 is easier/possible if you're already rooted on 5.1. I've seen this same thing on other devices I've owned. If you take an update too early you can lock yourself out while people running the lower version have more options.
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It's my understanding that what you posted may not really be that relevant.
For example, we can't root 5.1 for the Turbo. Unless of course you were already rooted on 4.4.4. Maybe rooting 6.0 is easier/possible if you're already rooted on 5.1. I've seen this same thing on other devices I've owned. If you take an update too early you can lock yourself out while people running the lower version have more options.
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It clearly states that to root 6.0 that changes have to be made to the boot image which turbo users 4.4.4 or otherwise can't do. You're taking offensive to a warning post, not one meant to say it's impossible (provided BL unlock becomes available for the Droid Turbo). This is all based on Motorola's confirmation of the Droid Turbo getting 6.0 and how it could affect our devices future ability to obtain root.
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Yeah, we do. It's in my notifications now to update. Just wanna see what happens
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dont worry dude.. if we get lucky we will see M by next September.
I took the 5.1 update. I'm comfortable with the fact that I'll never get root. The moment 6.0 is available, I'll update that too... knowing full well that root will never happen. Don't tell folks not to update. That's your opinion. You want to keep root, that's up to you. For those of us that it is too late, we don't care. And we'll openly take that 6.0 update... if and when it comes.
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I took the 5.1 update. I'm comfortable with the fact that I'll never get root. The moment 6.0 is available, I'll update that too... knowing full well that root will never happen. Don't tell folks not to update. That's your opinion. You want to keep root, that's up to you. For those of us that it is too late, we don't care. And we'll openly take that 6.0 update... if and when it comes.
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I, much like you, took the OTA update and don't have root and would like to have it once again if possible. However I did state numerous times that this is an opinion, my opinion, and everyone is free to do as they please with their devices.
While I had root and an unlocked bootloader on my S3, I found that the need rarely arose for me to even have to elevate privileges. I mainly rooted and unlocked because while I loved its hardware specs, I *hate* TouchWiz. I specifically got this phone because it had a relatively vanilla version of Android on it, it has fairly decent specs, it's nowhere as large as the Nexus 6, and the store I was at, didn't have any X's in stock. I was more than aware that us getting an unlocked bootloader, much less root was pretty unlikely, and I was actually pretty comfortable with it, surprisingly enough.
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I read the article in the OP, and I don't think we have much to worry about. It seems like verity relies pretty heavily on SELinux being set to enforcing, and we already have to set it to permissive in order to get our mofo'd roms to work properly. Does this reduce the security of our devices? Of course it does, but if you really cared about device security, you wouldn't be trying to get root access to your device in the first place. When there is an epidemic of peoples' identities/accounts/money/etc. being stolen via remote attacks, that's when I'll start to care about things like that. Even Stagefright, which is extremely well-documented and unpatched on most Android phones in circulation, doesn't have a single example of a real-world attack being executed using it (as far as I know).
Root access allows me to use things like Cerberus to help combat the much more probable event of someone with physical access to my phone getting into it, so when it comes to security, I'll take less security-by-design and more security that I can choose to implement.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...d-upgrade-report-card-marshmallow.html?page=2
A BIG FAT "F"
Length of time for upgrade to reach current flagship: 65 days (51.6/60 points)
Length of time for upgrade to reach previous-gen flagship: 74 days for the unlocked model -- though with all U.S. carrier models abandoned (0/30 points)
Communication: Poor (0/10 points)
An Android manufacturer has never fallen as fast and hard as what we've seen with Motorola these past couple years. In a matter of months, Moto went from being the shining example of what an Android device-maker should be to being a bitter disappointment Android fans won't soon forgive. (So much for that "nothing will change" transition in ownership, right?)
Following last year's 65% "D" grade for Android upgrades, the Lenovo-owned Motorola gets a big fat embarrassing "F" for the mess it made of this year's Marshmallow rollout. While it did do a reasonably decent (though nowhere near the standard it had maintained in the past) job at getting Android 6.0 out to its current and previous-gen flagships, it did so with one major asterisk: the outright abandonment of all U.S. carrier models of its barely-one-year-old 2014 device.
Worse yet, Motorola stayed insultingly silent on the subject, without so much as an explanation -- let alone any sort of attempt to make things right with customers who had bought into its "ongoing reliable upgrades" message. It was a slap in the face to those who trusted the company, and even if Motorola recovers and manages to do decently well moving forward, it's an incident smartphone shoppers would be wise to remember.
They were excellent when it came to 2013 devices...but those were before the Lenovo takeover if I remember correctly
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In the past days the MOTO always says the Verzion Carrier test so long a time,just like droid1/2/3/4 and xt910/926/1030 and so on..
Now its becoming a department of lenovo, i dont think there are still enough development guys who can work with Verzion ones...
So i doubt the 6.0 would finally come with a final-final day or never come out
I really think we won't see it, like the Moto X Play 2014. We'll just get an out-of-the-blue message saying "SORRY". My next phone will be a Nexus, i'm done with Motonovo
Yep, l thinking about a Nexus myself, and see what Project Fi is all about. Sick of Verizon also.
Yea i'm on the same boat as you guys. Nexus may be my next phone.
im still not ready to leave my turbo, i dont need their updates. we have our own right here.
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In the past days the MOTO always says the Verzion Carrier test so long a time,just like droid1/2/3/4 and xt910/926/1030 and so on..
Now its becoming a department of lenovo, i dont think there are still enough development guys who can work with Verzion ones...
So i doubt the 6.0 would finally come with a final-final day or never come out
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In some cases it may be VZW holding things up...but the 2013 Droids received their updates faster than any phones outside of the Nexus devices...
That was in the Google days, and when Moto first started using the near Vanilla builds of Android...
They are still as close to Vanilla as you can get, but what has changed is Lenovo...
So you do the math
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Metfanant said:
In some cases it may be VZW holding things up...but the 2013 Droids received their updates faster than any phones outside of the Nexus devices...
That was in the Google days, and when Moto first started using the near Vanilla builds of Android...
They are still as close to Vanilla as you can get, but what has changed is Lenovo...
So you do the math
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i think the lenovo has make every dev-guys to run their VIBE rom project，their 2014 device named k3note has already update to mm。
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I think people need to realize it's not motos fault! Talk to Verizon about your updates because Verizon does in fact add their bloat apps which in turn takes longer. Google has in fact release the source code for mm. Just disappoints me to see people hating on moto over something they have little to no control over.
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alex_is_the_1 said:
I think people need to realize it's not motos fault! Talk to Verizon about your updates because Verizon does in fact add their bloat apps which in turn takes longer. Google has in fact release the source code for mm. Just disappoints me to see people hating on moto over something they have little to no control over.
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No, both are equally at fault. If it were only on Verizon then the non Turbo branded quark devices would already be updated.
alex_is_the_1 said:
I think people need to realize it's not motos fault! Talk to Verizon about your updates because Verizon does in fact add their bloat apps which in turn takes longer. Google has in fact release the source code for mm. Just disappoints me to see people hating on moto over something they have little to no control over.
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VZW had no problem pushing the updates for the 2013 Droids...they were the first non-nexus phones to get updates...
Wanna know what the difference was? Those phones were made when Google owned Motorola...our phones are under the control of Lenovo...
I have no love for VZW...and while they may slow things down in many cases, the fact remains...if a quality update is delivered to them, they will push it out...
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Not quite Metfanant the MotoX 2013 got updated quickly but the Droid Maxx/Ultra always lagged way behind.
In the case of the Turbo all of the other major 2014 flagships on Verizon such as G3, Galaxy S5, One M8 have seen updates to Android M. These are also all older devices than Turbo which makes it even worse. The reality is that the overall user experience will be very similar to what we have now but we at least deserve the bug fixes and security patches with the latest OS.
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Not quite Metfanant the MotoX 2013 got updated quickly but the Droid Maxx/Ultra always lagged way behind.
In the case of the Turbo all of the other major 2014 flagships on Verizon such as G3, Galaxy S5, One M8 have seen updates to Android M. These are also all older devices than Turbo which makes it even worse. The reality is that the overall user experience will be very similar to what we have now but we at least deserve the bug fixes and security patches with the latest OS.
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No sir...
The Moto X update to Kit Kat was pushed out starting Nov 19th according to this article...and it was the FIRST to get it...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ryone-by-updating-its-moto-x-to-kitkat-first/
Just a month later the update had finished soak testing and was starting to get pushed to the Droid line...
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/12/1...-4-kit-kat-update-starting-today/#more-127805
I wouldn't call that lagging way behind at all...it was still quicker than most phones...
As I've always said...VZW sucks, but they had no problem getting updates out to Moto devices when Google ran the show...so I blame Lenovo...
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Droid Maxx2 update is rolling out. I guess (hope&prey) we are next in line..
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Droid Maxx2 update is rolling out. I guess (hope&prey) we are next in line..
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Yeah I saw that too, the Maxx 2 came out in Oct and I think this is its first update. I used one briefly but it had screen issues so ended up returning it for another turbo.
Just filled out a droid turbo soak test survey let's hope this is a good sign of things to come
I also received an invitation for this.
I thought I signed up for these, but have never gotten one. I really hope this means we get Marshmallow soon!
I guess they didn't like my feedback from the last soak. I haven't gotten anything.