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I ordered my DVP from Clove on Thursday and it arrived on Friday - I decided to go with them rather than Dell directly given the various communication issues people have had with Dell.
My DVP is 8GB - I'm assuming there is only one version of the phone for the UK market, I haven't seen any option to buy a 16GB version. So far, everything has worked smoothly - it came loaded with firmware .7350 if I remember correctly, I then got the prompt to upgrade to NoDo pretty soon after - that was done very quickly, nothing like the 23 minutes that Microsoft suggested.
All in all, I'm happy - no crashing whatsoever, interface is very smooth and quick, etc. My only complaint so far is the lack of custom ringtones - this should've been addressed in NoDo and its pretty obvious that Microsoft has held back on this to try and make money - the only simple alternative is to get ringtones from the Marketplace which Microsoft of course makes a commission on. Oh yeah, my other bugbear is the battery life - it's pretty horrendous, I'd say I struggle to get a day out of it! Is that normal?
These small things aside, I'm pretty happy with the DVP at the mo.... any other UK owners having a similar problem-free usage?
I am an Omnia 7 owner but I've been thinking about switching. Just a couple of points:
- Dell is selling the 16GB as far as I know, someone else can confirm that.
- Battery is something that improves overtime, you need to go through a few charging cycles. During the first days I would suggest letting the battery die before charging the phone rather than straight when you hit low power.
Can you comment on the issues the US phones are having (Wifi connection, poor camera, etc.). And also, is the SD card slot still accessible?
Cheers
Peew971 said:
I am an Omnia 7 owner but I've been thinking about switching. Just a couple of points:
- Dell is selling the 16GB as far as I know, someone else can confirm that.
- Battery is something that improves overtime, you need to go through a few charging cycles. During the first days I would suggest letting the battery die before charging the phone rather than straight when you hit low power.
Can you comment on the issues the US phones are having (Wifi connection, poor camera, etc.). And also, is the SD card slot still accessible?
Cheers
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I have the 16gb model (uk) which is the model dell sells directly. if you buy throgh a third party you can only get the 8gb model at the moment.
can good in light but poor in the dark (bluring)
the sd card has the black tape over it and the manual says not to remove it.
i only get crashes/hangs when downloading large files from the marketplace and when trying to download a video through the youtube apps.
I can't believe after all this time they're still producing the phone with the same camera issue. What have they been doing with all the feedback?! I know they have an upcoming update but it should have been one to fix the firsts phones with the new ones being flawless. Dell needs a good kick.
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I can second the comments re the camera, it isn't particularly good in the dark.
I didn't realise that Dell was selling the 16gb model - and its only £20 more than what I paid for the 8gb. That said, if the difference is hangs and crashes I'm not sure if its worth it. Ganondolf, could you give me an example of what apps (or large files) you were downloading - I'd like to test and see if I have the same crashing. If I don't then I'll probably stick with the 8gb.
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I can second the comments re the camera, it isn't particularly good in the dark.
I didn't realise that Dell was selling the 16gb model - and its only £20 more than what I paid for the 8gb. That said, if the difference is hangs and crashes I'm not sure if its worth it. Ganondolf, could you give me an example of what apps (or large files) you were downloading - I'd like to test and see if I have the same crashing. If I don't then I'll probably stick with the 8gb.
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if happens alot when i download big apps live xbox live games 30 - 80mb in size. crashes/hangs abot 70% of the time. I have noticed if i leave it on the download status screen till it downloads and installs it crashes less.
small apps up to 10mb dont usually have a problem.
I also get it within the youtube apps as they have large files.
I am about 99% sure that it is the micro sd card as when download big files and i go to my apps list it sometimes does not show the app icon and only a dot like temp icon and sometimes apps wont load whilst downloading.
Also if download has a problem it buggers the wifi and needs to tuen the machine off and back on to fix. of note it does not need a battery pull to turn it off, holding down the power button for a long period (10 secs) turns it off.
I think it was a good thing you got the 8gb as i may need to swap the sd card meaning i will buy a 32gb card so it would not have been any different if i upgraded from a 8gb.
PS. I sent a msg to linoel at dell on twitter and he thinks i have the newest firmware and there will not be a new one released for the uk.
apart from that the dvp runs perfect so if a sd card swap will fix the problem i will do it in the near future.
So the newest firmware still has a rubbish camera. It's sorted then, I'll keep my Omnia 7 for now and see what comes at the end of the year.
hi guys im new to the dvp forum.
i have a dell venue that i bought online from a guy in USA which is unlocked. when i got the phone i noticed that the black sticker wasnt there so im guessing the guy attempted to swap the sd card....the phone works fine tho.
the problem i have is that it wont restart!! when i go to about >> reset your phone.. nothing happens. is there anyway to fix this?? i hope someone can help as i cannon download any apps from the market place and assign my facebook =(
thanks
There is no carrier to the UK DVP phone is it? That makes future update quicker. And I hope it has 512mb ram. Guess the US one did has 256mb ram, games crashes constantly on the US device, which seems not happen often on others.
The US one has 512MB RAM.
I don't want to start the discussion again. I believe it has 512 but currently only 256 is recongnised by the system, when the software uses above 90m ram it will crash by itself, ie some games. This doesn't happen to the htc mozart but happens to DVP. If you believe now it has 512 and its fully used then believe it, since it doesn't affect your usage.
In response to the 256 v 512 discussion - I certainly saw all of that discussion with the US DVPs. My UK DVP shows 480mb free and so is presumably recognising all 512mb RAM. Somebody else mentioned that the UK DVPs already have the new upcoming firmware preloaded - so maybe that's addressed the problem.
My battery life has also improved greatly - not sure whether it's because of going through some powering cycles or because I disabled both checking for updates and giving feedback, but its lasting a lot longer than before now.
I also have the 8g UK DVP model through expansys, mine also reads about 480m free so im assuming it has the 512ram. as well...
As for problems ive had none,
NO crashes,
No freezes and NO resets yet....
All in all im loving the DVP and the battery is good better than my HTC Desire that i have left behind without a second thought!!!!
I got my phone from Expansys and it is freezing constantly when using WiFi and downloading apps. Indeed 480 MB of RAM is reported.
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I got my phone from Expansys and it is freezing constantly when using WiFi and downloading apps. Indeed 480 MB of RAM is reported.
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Did you change the SD or you use the one comes with? I'm thinking to call expansys for exchange...
I have lots of freezes and hangs on my UK 16gb model (from dell.co.uk) when using wifi.
I changed the sd card to a sandisk 32gb class 4 (I here the class 2 version is best for dvp) and have not had a hang or freeze using wifi.
Works flawlessly know.
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I have lots of freezes and hangs on my UK 16gb model (from dell.co.uk) when using wifi.
I changed the sd card to a sandisk 32gb class 4 (I here the class 2 version is best for dvp) and have not had a hang or freeze using wifi.
Works flawlessly know.
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Question on your WiFi hangs.....I've been looking at WiFi issue. During the course of a day I may pass through and use, many different WiFi AP's. At home I made a modification of my AP and now the reception on my Dell is far better.
I'm wondering if the hardware in hte Dell is simply inferior....in a way that it works best with specific settings....as opposed to alot of devices that work fairly well regardless of the AP settings.
I've noticed the closer I get to a pure N setting, the better my device runs. The amount and length of feezes and hangs decrease as I approach that complete N mode.
People who experience the hangs and freezes at home. What are your AP settings?
Dont think it has anything to do with AP settings, my phone will crash without connecting to any wifi signal, just with wifi enabled.
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Question on your WiFi hangs.....I've been looking at WiFi issue. During the course of a day I may pass through and use, many different WiFi AP's. At home I made a modification of my AP and now the reception on my Dell is far better.
I'm wondering if the hardware in hte Dell is simply inferior....in a way that it works best with specific settings....as opposed to alot of devices that work fairly well regardless of the AP settings.
I've noticed the closer I get to a pure N setting, the better my device runs. The amount and length of feezes and hangs decrease as I approach that complete N mode.
People who experience the hangs and freezes at home. What are your AP settings?
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Im using wifi g at home and work and it works with no problems. the only thing i would say the dvp wifi reciever does not go as far from the router before disconnecting than my brothers iphone 4 and my old xperia x1.
have not tried connecting it to wifi n but have not had any problems on wifi g.
What do you mean by "AP settings". are u talking about the phone or the router?
I've ordered a 32gb class4 sansicc from amazon.co.uk but it seems to be a fake one... It freezes the device even more than the original SD card. 3 months ago I had one from the same seller and it was ok, now still in my US DVP and works perfect. The 2 sds do look different. BE CAREFUL when you buy the sd card. Just too many fakes...
I collected a G Pad earlier on. It's the first time I've bought a tablet having never actually seen one in the silicon.
I had a Nexus 7 2013 which I was really happy with, but its mobo failed and went off for a three week repair. It came back in a worse-looking state than it went so I got a refund on it. While it was being fixed I used my old 10" Xoom, and I realised how much nicer a bigger screen is. And then I saw a review of the G Pad...
So I wasn't too unhappy when the Nexus was refunded, and based on the balance of reviews and comments here I took the plunge. So far - and I've only had it an hour - I really like it. The Nexus has a brilliant screen and I thought the lower-PPI count would show on the G, but it seems not to. It seems to go bright enough, but I've not tested it in sunlight outdoors. It's not quite Nexus-retina-searing levels but seems to be not far off.
The extra inch of screen makes a surprising difference in its actual size. It's a nice plus.
No sign yet of a blue line either. The speakers are louder than I'd expected having read things on here.
A couple of things that I need to test out though: battery life and SD card compatibility. As long as I get Nexus-ish battery life I'll be happy, but I need to see if apps like Google Music can store to the SD card (well I know it can, but can it without being rooted?) And BBC iPlayer too, some of those videos come in at one gig+ so I hope they can get off on to the card too. Otherwise 16GB is going to disappear pretty quickly, and that will make the tablet useless for that purpose.
I might try a custom ROM but CM 10.2 on my S3 isn't as finished as they'd have you think: for instance, the phone has for some reason stopped ringing aloud in the past few days. Maybe CM 11 is better, I don't know. But the stock ROM doesn't seem that bad at the moment (but anyone on here likes to tinker, so let's see how long that lasts.)
My bigger concern is community support. I really appreciate what the devs are doing, but for products like the G Pad which don't seem to have sold by the million, long-term support is surely not going to be as promising as it is for the Nexus or Samsung devices.
And actually, I'll end by asking what the hell LG are playing at. So far, this looks like a great tablet but there are NONE to be found in electrical stores here in the UK. That's why I had to buy it sight unseen. If they can't get it into stores, how are they going to shift any in reasonable numbers? Especially when this looks like it should deserve to. Equally, they seem to have failed to hit their stride in terms of getting it into the hands of reviewers.
Anyway, I'm off to have a play. From what I've seen, hopefully I can persuade myself to keep it!
Welcome to the club. I love mine too. There are ways to move files and apps to your SD card, but if your like me, my Google Music takes up a ton of space and just moving it to the SD card clears up a lot of space on the internal storage. Google Music has a setting to pick your storage location so just choose your SD card. From my understanding, this may be limited to KitKat only though. If you'reconsidering flashing a ROM, I highly suggest Mahdi. You'll lose your LG apps because it's based on AOSP, but you'll pick up a ton of customization in a buttery smooth ROM.
Thanks clemson77on.
I do like it but I am probably going to return it. It turns out that BBC iPlayer doesn't support downloads to the G Pad, and I doubt it ever will - they only spend time certifying devices that hit the mainstream. I hate to say it but I don't think the G Pad ever will.
I put Mahdi's ROM on and it is far superior to stock. I certainly mean no disrespect to him or any other devs - who are capable of doing far more than me - but I think the Nexus 7 will have a longer support life from the community. I would be very happy to be proved wrong on this in months to come.
Silly little things play on my mind with this tablet, such as the non-standard soft buttons in the stock ROM. Yes you have a selection, but where's the choice for the Android standard? Device manufacturers drive me crazy sometimes. I would actually like to remain unrooted because there are various apps I use that require that; at least with the N7 I will get no bloat and can keep it unrooted.
I really like the knock-on feature, I don't know why some reviews said it was a gimmick.
But ultimately, 16GB doesn't seem to cut it. I have moved what I can to SD but there's only about 2GB free.
Having said all that... on the other hand, the screen size is a significant plus, and having haptic feedback is really nice in a tablet.
I know that's a random selection of thoughts. I am going to have to make my mind up!
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Thanks clemson77on.
I do like it but I am probably going to return it. It turns out that BBC iPlayer doesn't support downloads to the G Pad, and I doubt it ever will - they only spend time certifying devices that hit the mainstream. I hate to say it but I don't think the G Pad ever will.
I put Mahdi's ROM on and it is far superior to stock. I certainly mean no disrespect to him or any other devs - who are capable of doing far more than me - but I think the Nexus 7 will have a longer support life from the community. I would be very happy to be proved wrong on this in months to come.
Silly little things play on my mind with this tablet, such as the non-standard soft buttons in the stock ROM. Yes you have a selection, but where's the choice for the Android standard? Device manufacturers drive me crazy sometimes. I would actually like to remain unrooted because there are various apps I use that require that; at least with the N7 I will get no bloat and can keep it unrooted.
I really like the knock-on feature, I don't know why some reviews said it was a gimmick.
But ultimately, 16GB doesn't seem to cut it. I have moved what I can to SD but there's only about 2GB free.
Having said all that... on the other hand, the screen size is a significant plus, and having haptic feedback is really nice in a tablet.
I know that's a random selection of thoughts. I am going to have to make my mind up!
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I believe the development support will be quite good for this device, maybe not on par with the Nexus 7, but very good especially with there being a Google Developer Edition model now.
I know nothing about BBC iPlayer, but it looks like it won't download to the device because of being out of the UK. I did notice that there's an app in the play store called Unblock BBC iPlayer that may help you out - I have no idea.
If you need to be rooted for some of your apps to work, there are apps that can hide your root such as Root Cloak.
Also, you can even move your apps to your SD card if you want to. Link2SD works great for that.
As for soft buttons, I changed mine to look like those on my HTC One and made the longpresses the same so it would be more uniform.
Hope that helps.
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I believe the development support will be quite good for this device, maybe not on par with the Nexus 7, but very good especially with there being a Google Developer Edition model now.
I know nothing about BBC iPlayer, but it looks like it won't download to the device because of being out of the UK. I did notice that there's an app in the play store called Unblock BBC iPlayer that may help you out - I have no idea.
If you need to be rooted for some of your apps to work, there are apps that can hide your root such as Root Cloak.
Also, you can even move your apps to your SD card if you want to. Link2SD works great for that.
As for soft buttons, I changed mine to look like those on my HTC One and made the longpresses the same so it would be more uniform.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks very much for the reply. I have in fact decided to keep it. The larger screen won out in the end, and the other positives outweighed the negatives. It only cost £230, which is £10 cheaper than the N7 was, but yes that had twice the storage (but no SD slot). The build and overall shape of this tablet is really nice, possibly the best out there for Android.
The battery life seems a bit so so, but I'm getting 5.5 to 6 hours of screen time. I can live with that - I'm never far from power!
More to the point, I keep these things for a year or so before getting a new one and I can happily live with this for a year (til maybe G Pad 2...)
To return to my points, with iPlayer it's not a location thing. It's whether the BBC dev team can get round to supporting this. Understandably they will prioritise better-selling devices - they'll spend their time where the demand is. I would therefore say that anyone in the UK who has one, install iPlayer and use it. Get this tablet onto their stats. They won't even consider it if they don't see it being used.
Root Cloak, good idea. I've tried OTA Rootkeeper which has certainly unrooted it, I just can't use it to root it again!
Haven't tried Link2SD but will give that a blast later.
My thing with the soft buttons is a more general Android annoyance. Different ways for different manufacturers. And even then they just can't stop themselves. Some of the LG mods were quite good - but they kept on adding more and more. They're not alone but feature creep tends not to lead to a better overall experience.
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To return to my points, with iPlayer it's not a location thing. It's whether the BBC dev team can get round to supporting this. Understandably they will prioritise better-selling devices - they'll spend their time where the demand is. I would therefore say that anyone in the UK who has one, install iPlayer and use it. Get this tablet onto their stats. They won't even consider it if they don't see it being used.
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My G Pad is running the stock LG ROM, is rooted and with the aid of https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amphoras.hidemyroot&hl=en_GB I am able to install and watch material using iPlayer and the BBC Media Player software.
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My G Pad is running the stock LG ROM, is rooted and with the aid of https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amphoras.hidemyroot&hl=en_GB I am able to install and watch material using iPlayer and the BBC Media Player software.
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Does iPlayer check for root? What is disabled on iPlayer if it does detect that you have root?
tdodd said:
My G Pad is running the stock LG ROM, is rooted and with the aid of https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amphoras.hidemyroot&hl=en_GB I am able to install and watch material using iPlayer and the BBC Media Player software.
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I may not have been clear enough. I can also watch iplayer. I cannot download for offline viewing.
astromark said:
I collected a G Pad earlier on. It's the first time I've bought a tablet having never actually seen one in the silicon.
I had a Nexus 7 2013 which I was really happy with, but its mobo failed and went off for a three week repair. It came back in a worse-looking state than it went so I got a refund on it. While it was being fixed I used my old 10" Xoom, and I realised how much nicer a bigger screen is. And then I saw a review of the G Pad...
So I wasn't too unhappy when the Nexus was refunded, and based on the balance of reviews and comments here I took the plunge. So far - and I've only had it an hour - I really like it. The Nexus has a brilliant screen and I thought the lower-PPI count would show on the G, but it seems not to. It seems to go bright enough, but I've not tested it in sunlight outdoors. It's not quite Nexus-retina-searing levels but seems to be not far off.
The extra inch of screen makes a surprising difference in its actual size. It's a nice plus.
No sign yet of a blue line either. The speakers are louder than I'd expected having read things on here.
A couple of things that I need to test out though: battery life and SD card compatibility. As long as I get Nexus-ish battery life I'll be happy, but I need to see if apps like Google Music can store to the SD card (well I know it can, but can it without being rooted?) And BBC iPlayer too, some of those videos come in at one gig+ so I hope they can get off on to the card too. Otherwise 16GB is going to disappear pretty quickly, and that will make the tablet useless for that purpose.
I might try a custom ROM but CM 10.2 on my S3 isn't as finished as they'd have you think: for instance, the phone has for some reason stopped ringing aloud in the past few days. Maybe CM 11 is better, I don't know. But the stock ROM doesn't seem that bad at the moment (but anyone on here likes to tinker, so let's see how long that lasts.)
My bigger concern is community support. I really appreciate what the devs are doing, but for products like the G Pad which don't seem to have sold by the million, long-term support is surely not going to be as promising as it is for the Nexus or Samsung devices.
And actually, I'll end by asking what the hell LG are playing at. So far, this looks like a great tablet but there are NONE to be found in electrical stores here in the UK. That's why I had to buy it sight unseen. If they can't get it into stores, how are they going to shift any in reasonable numbers? Especially when this looks like it should deserve to. Equally, they seem to have failed to hit their stride in terms of getting it into the hands of reviewers.
Anyway, I'm off to have a play. From what I've seen, hopefully I can persuade myself to keep it!
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I had a Nexus 7 (2013) for a few months before I decided to buy a G Pad. I very much agree with you the extra inch makes a big difference. At first if you install a custom rom like CM11 and put it side by side with the G Pad at maximum brightness next to the nexus 7 at max brightness there is definetly a difference in the max brightness with the G Pad falling down on that factor.
Also on the note of it not being found in electrical stores in your country, it is hard to find this device anywhere outside of JB Hifi in Australia unless you buy it online - which I did because even though it can be found at JB Hifi here, it is only available in white and I wanted black.
With the lack of developer community, it was hard coming from the Nexus 7 community which is insanely large however this device seems to be pretty good as it is after you flash a AOSP rom. It does lack a large amount of custom kernel's which the Nexus 7 had the upper hand on - especially with devs like Franco who made the battery life increase by a lot.
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I may not have been clear enough. I can also watch iplayer. I cannot download for offline viewing.
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OK. Maybe I misunderstood. Now I get it. Yes, the G Pad is not on the download compatibility list. Quite why the Beeb needs such a thing is beyond me.
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OK. Maybe I misunderstood. Now I get it. Yes, the G Pad is not on the download compatibility list. Quite why the Beeb needs such a thing is beyond me.
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It's a shame isn't it. Presumably it has to do with compatibility testing, user experience checking or more likely rights agreements. Rights rule the roost.
It is clearly technically capable of doing it, it's the iplayer bods having to put the work in to confirm that. And as I say. they'll prioritise by usage. Low usage = low priority = low chance of getting downloads approved.
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It's a shame isn't it. Presumably it has to do with compatibility testing, user experience checking or more likely rights agreements. Rights rule the roost.
It is clearly technically capable of doing it, it's the iplayer bods having to put the work in to confirm that. And as I say. they'll prioritise by usage. Low usage = low priority = low chance of getting downloads approved.
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I'm pretty sure that DRM is the issue. Probably, the Beeb thinks if you have root, you might find some way to get around their DRM and distribute the downloaded programs. Not a big deal for me, because I generally stream rather than download.
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It's a shame isn't it. Presumably it has to do with compatibility testing, user experience checking or more likely rights agreements. Rights rule the roost.
It is clearly technically capable of doing it, it's the iplayer bods having to put the work in to confirm that. And as I say. they'll prioritise by usage. Low usage = low priority = low chance of getting downloads approved.
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How about that old prop editing? Finding a phone or tablet device that has approval from BBC and then just jot that in it's model numbers into the build.prop on the V500? Perhaps the BBC player will then check up against that and allow the downloads? Then just unroot again after? :d I always say this, but it's worth a try, isn't it? Unless it's been done before of course.
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I'm pretty sure that DRM is the issue. Probably, the Beeb thinks if you have root, you might find some way to get around their DRM and distribute the downloaded programs. Not a big deal for me, because I generally stream rather than download.
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I've always found iPlayer works regardless of root state. Just tried it on my rooted S3 and it's fine, and it works on my Xoom which was rooted on day 1! I find it handy to have downloads to watch in the gym. Passes the time...
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How about that old prop editing?.
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Good idea - haven't thought about it before now. Never tried anything quite that involved. Flashing ROMs and then unbricking is as far as I've gone! I might look into this tomorrow. I assume it's not too tricky. Is it something in the prop that specifies the device?
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Good idea - haven't thought about it before now. Never tried anything quite that involved. Flashing ROMs and then unbricking is as far as I've gone! I might look into this tomorrow. I assume it's not too tricky. Is it something in the prop that specifies the device?
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Well, I don't remember the exact entries in the build.prop. But aquire root, download rom tool box and edit the build prop. Go to your iPlayer enabled device and look for all entries with something like "model" and any variable set ro device number and such. Then just insert them into the V500. After root, it's strictly typing required. And finding the right entries of course. I'm in Denmark and I don't believe I qualify for BBC Player, but I dunno otherwise I'd try it myself. Go with Nexus 5 or Galaxy S4 build.prop or something. It must be around here, somewhere..
Would be a nice fix if that's how the app checks. Some apps does this, yes, by the way.
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Well, I don't remember the exact entries in the build.prop. But aquire root, download rom tool box and edit the build prop. Go to your iPlayer enabled device and look for all entries with something like "model" and any variable set ro device number and such. Then just insert them into the V500.
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It works - changing
ro.product.model=LG-V500
to:
ro.product.model=Nexus 7
brings it on. Excellent idea, thanks.
Now I need to read up about how to treat a directory on the external SD card like one on the internal-SD as iplayer has no support for external storage.
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It works - changing
ro.product.model=LG-V500
to:
ro.product.model=Nexus 7
brings it on. Excellent idea, thanks.
Now I need to read up about how to treat a directory on the external SD card like one on the internal-SD as iplayer has no support for external storage.
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That's good news.
I believe theres apps for fixing external saving instead. There's some threads on it given the trouble with SD cards compatability and stuff. Go read up on those. App2SD and such I think, link2SD or something. Kinda like linking a harddrive path over to another harddrive, still keeping the app believing that it saves to in this case the internal storage, when it's really not. I'm not too sure, cause I've had no need or issues with this myself. But good luck and awesome that we fixed one of your troubles.
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It works - changing
ro.product.model=LG-V500
to:
ro.product.model=Nexus 7
brings it on. Excellent idea, thanks.
Now I need to read up about how to treat a directory on the external SD card like one on the internal-SD as iplayer has no support for external storage.
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Try the free FolderMount app, available in the Play Store.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the latest models of Android AIO's?
Personally I'm falling in love with the ideer of having a huge android on the angled table in front of me.
Many of them also doubles as an external touch screen for a pc with easy switching between function modes.
The one I look to buy is an acer DA223hql from amazon.de.
It's a bit pricey, and only has one gig of ram, but the size seems good for my reach and I like the 1080p resolution.
No argument that higher resolution is better like the acer TA272HUL's 2K or Lenovo ThinkVision 28's 4K, but those are both out of my price range and to big for for comfortable use.
The DA223hql seems to be the best compromise so far.
In my searches I stumbled upon a maintenance manual on Lenovos website which shows how to disassemble and replace the ram and hard drive on the Lenovo N308, and the components look like regular pc parts which makes me druel of the thought of a cheap Tegra 4 device backed by 4 gigs of ram and 1 - 1.5 TB of built in storage.
But the N308 is a 1600x900 TN panel with IR dual touch, and rumor has it that third party file explorers can't access the hard drive.
So I'm not sure i could live with those limitations.
I've not yet been able to find any reviews on the DA223hql and it seems to only be on sale in Germany so far, but several times my fingers have clicked the "add to cart" button.
I've just not been able to click "proceed to checkout" yet.
Please, someone give me some insight into these AIO's.
I trust android to be right for me in this category.
I trust that 18-22 inches is a good size if placed correctly.
I don't have much trouble living with android 4.1 or 4.2
I can manage to live with one gig of ram, though more would definitely be nicer.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the latest models of Android AIO's?
Personally I'm falling in love with the ideer of having a huge android on the angled table in front of me.
Many of them also doubles as an external touch screen for a pc with easy switching between function modes.
The one I look to buy is an acer DA223hql from amazon.de.
It's a bit pricey, and only has one gig of ram, but the size seems good for my reach and I like the 1080p resolution.
No argument that higher resolution is better like the acer TA272HUL's 2K or Lenovo ThinkVision 28's 4K, but those are both out of my price range and to big for for comfortable use.
The DA223hql seems to be the best compromise so far.
In my searches I stumbled upon a maintenance manual on Lenovos website which shows how to disassemble and replace the ram and hard drive on the Lenovo N308, and the components look like regular pc parts which makes me druel of the thought of a cheap Tegra 4 device backed by 4 gigs of ram and 1 - 1.5 TB of built in storage.
But the N308 is a 1600x900 TN panel with IR dual touch, and rumor has it that third party file explorers can't access the hard drive.
So I'm not sure i could live with those limitations.
I've not yet been able to find any reviews on the DA223hql and it seems to only be on sale in Germany so far, but several times my fingers have clicked the "add to cart" button.
I've just not been able to click "proceed to checkout" yet.
Please, someone give me some insight into these AIO's.
I trust android to be right for me in this category.
I trust that 18-22 inches is a good size if placed correctly.
I don't have much trouble living with android 4.1 or 4.2
I can manage to live with one gig of ram, though more would definitely be nicer.
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don't have much input, but they are tempting me too. I may be wrong but I think android is currently maxed out at 2gb of ram and cannot handle any more. If you get one lemme know what you think, I am hoping it would be better than a chromebook experience.
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Just ordered an acer DA223hql
As far as I know android is based off of a 32 bit Linux system and is able to address up to 4gb ram.
probably 5.0 will be 64 bit which should allow ram in the terabyte range, not that I think anyone would need more than 2-3 gigs for a long time.
My Note 3 has 3 gigs, the LG G3 comes in a model with 2 gigs, and one with 3 gigs.
The Acer I've ordered has only one gig, which in my experience means I'll need to manage how much I'll have open at once.
A bit annoying but what's a guy to do.
With a little luck the ram will be replaceable.
Apart from that, the snapdragon 600 should be plenty fine for running a mostly stock android.
Unless of course the software is poorly optimized.
Not much hardware in the world can save you from poor software.
That's the scary part of being an early adopter.
At least it's not Acer's first attempt at this, so they have a little experience.
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Just ordered an acer DA223hql
As far as I know android is based off of a 32 bit Linux system and is able to address up to 4gb ram.
probably 5.0 will be 64 bit which should allow ram in the terabyte range, not that I think anyone would need more than 2-3 gigs for a long time.
My Note 3 has 3 gigs, the LG G3 comes in a model with 2 gigs, and one with 3 gigs.
The Acer I've ordered has only one gig, which in my experience means I'll need to manage how much I'll have open at once.
A bit annoying but what's a guy to do.
With a little luck the ram will be replaceable.
Apart from that, the snapdragon 600 should be plenty fine for running a mostly stock android.
Unless of course the software is poorly optimized.
Not much hardware in the world can save you from poor software.
That's the scary part of being an early adopter.
At least it's not Acer's first attempt at this, so they have a little experience.
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4 gb would make sense since it is just a 32 bit linux after all. Not sure where, but I read the 2gb thing somewhere previously. I had heard that most of those aios also used standard ddr3 so my guess is that it should not hurt to try. With the extra hdd thing, I'm sure the problem could be solved via software. Most apps on a stock kit kat build cannot write to the ext sdcard, might be the same problem you heard about regarding the added hdd.
Anyway lemme know when it comes in, if you have root and an unlocked bootloader I will most likely order one too.
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It'll unfortunately take a few weeks to get here.
I'm Danish but live in Cyprus.
Sadly Amazon.de wouldn't ship it to me down here, so I had to order it to my dad's address in Denmark and then when it arrives there he'll forward it here.
Sucky way but at least I'll get the one I want.
As for the limited access to the hard drive in the Lenovo model, I have no idea.
It runs 4.2 JB so it can't be the kitkat thing.
Did you get it?
I was thinking about doing similar but ended up getting tab pro 12.2.
Got it, yes
And have been playing around with it for a few days.
Here's the quick and dirty of it.
First of all the screen, as nothing about it is as prevalent when dealing with a 22 inch tablet.
It's bright and with excellent viewing angles.
Resolution is a bit on the low side considering I watch it from about a foot and a half away.
The snapdragon 600 happily chugs along on a nearly vanilla built of Android.
There is a tiny bit of lag here and there, but I chug that up more to the single gig of ram.
An interesting little side note is that the screen Wakes up when touched, so no need to fumble the side for the on-off button.
The 16 gigs of built in storage fills up quickly so an SD card is definitely a must.
As the port is a full size SD you have the opportunity for cheap and really fast cards.
I have my eyes on a 128 gig, so I can get my 64 gig micro back in my phone.
Another way to do it is to mount a USB drive, but that option is better as a secondary.
It easily reads both exFat and ntfs, so no problems with my old 750 gig USB drive.
Another side note: a big USB drive will be good for videos.
Remember that I said that I sit close to the screen?
Well the negative side of that is that ANY lack of quality in my movies show up like sitting a few yards from a nuke.
I'll need to upgrade much of my media to 1080 versions with a good bit rate. Wich incidentally means I'll need more storage.
The problems of the developing world, right?
But playing a high quality movie right in my face is awesome though.
The speakers are OK, and more than enough at my distance.
For acting as a music system I have it connected to a Phillips Bluetooth speaker, which works fine.
The biggest problem with audio is watching movies with 5.1 on stereo speakers.
You turn up the audio to hear what they are saying, only to wake up the whole house as soon as any action starts.
Maybe someone can suggest a cheap and compact surround soundbar? I don't have room for a full speaker system.
Or would a small 5.1 amp with just the 3 front speakers connected be enough?
Mostly I just need the center channel so I can hear the dialog.
Unless it gets updated to "L" it's options for audio out is pretty much limited to a mini jack.
That's as much as I have time for now.
Later I hope to get into the issues of multi tasking like floating apps and the likes.
Bonus: towelroot worked flawlessly on this one. Full root privileges, but don't forget to install superuser yourself.
towelroot
Hi
I got mind yesterday too and I agree with your statement.
It is a valid device...but when you say
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Bonus: towelroot worked flawlessly on this one. Full root privileges, but don't forget to install superuser yourself.
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I would like to agree too, but for me towelroot does not work.
Can you help? I rooted many devices so far but I can not came up with this one....
Thanks in advance
silvio76
silvio76 said:
Hi
I got mind yesterday too and I agree with your statement.
It is a valid device...but when you say
I would like to agree too, but for me towelroot does not work.
Can you help? I rooted many devices so far but I can not came up with this one....
Thanks in advance
silvio76
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Should not be complicated. I hope...
I installed this apk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2h75gcp8y1r6us/TowelRoot.apk
Ran it once.
It rebooted my system.
I installed supersu, and updated the binary.
And it was done.
Have not posted a link here before, so if there is any problems pm me and I'll mail you the link or file.
I'm not next to my acer right now, so if you need to know it's firmware version I'll have to check it later.
But start with the towelroot I used.
Hope it helps.
Regards, Arne
hi
I will give it a try thanks.
Be advised 128 GB SD card is not supported....
Keep in touch
Silvio76
EDIT it works with towelroot v1, I was using v3.....
Thanks again....
No problem.
Did you try a 128 card?
Often when they write the card size limit is to avoid customers calling them and asking the where to get a "1 terabyte card" that the written specs say would work.
But it is a micro SD-XC port and unless Acer screwed something up or set a deliberate limit, the SD-XC standard reaches all the way to 4 TB, though I doubt that we'd find such any time soon.
Hi
Yes
tried a brand new Kingston 128 gb , no luck ,
formatted with a Windows pc , no luck,
partioned at 64 GB, then formatted and it works...
May be it is my card....but is strange....
Scary news.
Did you try to format it from an Android device?
When I first bought a 64 card for my original Note I had to format it in the phone before it would read it.
But I also saw a guy Frankenstein'ing his Note 2 to run a 256 GB card, and that one is rated for 64 gig max...
Of course to connect a full sized SD to a phone you need a special adapter.
Hi
I tried from the Acer Da223hql at first but formatting was an endless process....it took about 20 minutes before I surrended...and switched to Win8 for the format operation. But then the card was not readable for the Acer....so I went for the partitioning.
I suspect that 64gb is the maximum allowed on this machine...
If you want more details here I am...
Silvio76
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I also use this device as an external touchscreen monitor for a win8 laptop and it is great...
works without a glitch....
On the Android side I installed Floating apps and Floating Browser, so I take advantage of the large screen...
Try it
And the hits just keep on coming.
Dared to take it apart today (pretty scary), and it turned out that the ram is not replaceable.
Live with the gig you have.
Ah well, it was a good dream though, 4 gigs...
Have mounted a 3tb USB drive though, with no trouble what so ever.
And I connected my laptop to the hdmi for the first time.
It works but has some weird behavior.
The picture shrunken but the touch sensor works correctly, so the further from the center I touch the more offset it registres.
Both my acer and my laptop run at 1080p, and I set it to mirroring.
The laptop days it's sending 1080p at 60 hz and the Acer says the received signal is 1080/60 so I don't see the problem.
The Acers settings screen does have a section marked by a square with arrows going out. But it ain't selectable.
Haven't seen manual resizing since crt and analog monitors anyway.
Any ideas?
Hi
you are very brave trying to open it!
As far as I know these devices (based on Qualcomm Snapdragon) have integrated/soldered RAM, so I never thought to check it by myself.
By the way 1Gb is plenty in my opinion, then it depends what kind of application you have in mind (photo editing and such can be memory killer)
As external touch monitor it worked fine for me. I have a 2in1 Asus Transformer Book Win8 based and I use the extended desktop mode.
The Acer was immediately recognized as a monitor and touch input device. No issue with screen resolution and/or its alignement.
Would you like to try that setup and see if works well? If no may be is your Acer that does not work properly.
I did not touch any setting on the OSD menu.
Furthermore I installed Xposed frameworks+XHalo floating windows manager and now I have a Windows-like multitasking.....check it, it's worth the test. Several windows at the same time (Chrome, terminal emulator, Youtube) and no lag.....unbelivable.
Looking for your comments
silvio76
Thanks on the bravery comment
Just sad it was fruitless.
I feel limits when moving my big files around in the background , and think more ram would have eliminated that.
But I'll live with it.
My laptop is an Asus u38n (the ultrabook with an AMD instead of Intel).
It connects fine to our TV without the weird scaling.
I guess I'll try sending Acer a mail and see if they have some advice.
I've only just started experimenting with the multi window funktions.
Juggling 50 hour work week with being a husband and father sometimes means that things move slower than I'd like.
But even without multi window I am pretty happy with it.
I knew from my wife's old gPad that the snapdragon 600 is no slouch.
Do you know a popup client for hangouts that works the way chatheads for Facebook messenger works?
I don't use Facebook much but love that concept.
Just haven't found a hangouts client that does it that elegant.
Hi
Being an husband and a father myself I fully understand
Concerning labour hours, my yesterday working day ended after 14 hours, so......I'm done! But we are lucky to have a job nowadays.
Back on topic I'm not a Facebook user, neither my wife, therefore the only app I can suggest, which can have similar functionality, is Lilypad Hd.
You can find it on Playstore. Hope it will suit your need!
Cheers
Silvio76
Interesting little tid bit.
I needed to empty out my 64GB micro SD and chose to format it in my note 3 (running stock).
After formatting the acer told me that it was faulty and offered to format it.
I chose yes and like yours it just stood there for half an hour with no result.
So I put it in my laptop and formatted it from there ending up with the same "faulty" message.
So finally I put used my original gNote (running CM11) now there is no problems.
somehow, somewhere, there is a difference in the way different devices do it
lindarne said:
Interesting little tid bit.
I needed to empty out my 64GB micro SD and chose to format it in my note 3 (running stock).
After formatting the acer told me that it was faulty and offered to format it.
I chose yes and like yours it just stood there for half an hour with no result.
So I put it in my laptop and formatted it from there ending up with the same "faulty" message.
So finally I put used my original gNote (running CM11) now there is no problems.
somehow, somewhere, there is a difference in the way different devices do it
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Hi in my experience Samsung Android devices have "bad" attitude in respect of vanilla Android.
They probably have some changes in the code which are not limited to the interface (TouchWiz), resulting in incompatibilities.
This is the Android fragmentation people often blame.
However when I formatted the SD card in my laptop, the Acer accepted it without assle.
I would try again formatting the SD with the PC and see if this happen again....sometimes magic happens
silvio79
Samsung have announced that in June they are releasing the 256gb micro sd card. The s7 was advertised as being compatible up to 200gb. Will the 256gb one be compatible ?
As we all Know officialy the S7 Supports up to 200 GB and as far I know the 256 GB is right now not supported but I read somewhere there will be an Software-Update that can make it compatible but don't sure about it.
I seem to remember that my s3 was compatible to 32gb but I had a 64 gb one in it. And the s5 was up to 64 but I had a 128gb in it
If it's SDXC, it's compatible.
Technically all SDXC card is compatible. There's no such thing as 200gb limit but samsung said so because the largest card at that time was 200gb.
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I did presume as much. Just wish they'd get a move on and release it.
If they release a 256gb note 6 with sd card slot up to 256gb it's got insane storage
I have this this microsd, but you can insert a 256 of s7
Each to their own but with cloud storage, streaming services like Spotify, Netflix and Amazon Prime, I've really no idea why anyone would want or need a 256gb SD card in a phone at this point, let along be impatient for it to be released. Surely complete overkill. Combine my 64gb MMC and the 32gb internal storage and I have enough room for anything.
I'm genuinely curious, why would someone need this? It seems like a desire based on little more than the fact it's a big number to me.
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Each to their own but with cloud storage, streaming services like Spotify, Netflix and Amazon Prime, I've really no idea why anyone would want or need a 256gb SD card in a phone at this point, let along be impatient for it to be released. Surely complete overkill. Combine my 64gb MMC and the 32gb internal storage and I have enough room for anything.
I'm genuinely curious, why would someone need this? It seems like a desire based on little more than the fact it's a big number to me.
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I live in a city and mobile reception isn't too bad, but even so you can't be guaranteed to get reception good enough to stream music and video etc without breakups and buffering. If I go somewhere out of town (such as to my parents house) there is almost no chance of getting decent data reception.
In my opinion being able to use cloud services for streaming music and video and accessing files reliably is still many years away...
I have a 200gb card in my phone and it's getting pretty full, so if manufacturers are making bigger cards I am definitely interested!
Beefheart said:
Each to their own but with cloud storage, streaming services like Spotify, Netflix and Amazon Prime, I've really no idea why anyone would want or need a 256gb SD card in a phone at this point, let along be impatient for it to be released. Surely complete overkill. Combine my 64gb MMC and the 32gb internal storage and I have enough room for anything.
I'm genuinely curious, why would someone need this? It seems like a desire based on little more than the fact it's a big number to me.
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First of all if you're a fake music fan then you'd stream. Real music fans listen to real music you can't find on streaming in a good quality file. A real music fan simply would never consider low quality streaming.
Some of us have hefty music collections that is impossible to carry around with us or stream.
In the uk we don't have unlimited data on 4g unless your on a certain network which actually doesn't offer 4g at all.
The cost of data allowance in the UK is so abhorrent a real music fan would struggle with it. It's economical to buy a huge memory card.
Simple as that. It's not difficult to comprehend .
Plus connection is never garenteed. Carry around your music is garenteed connection . Streaming is years away from bring truly userable to the general user let alone the power user.
mikeyaj said:
First of all if you're a fake music fan then you'd stream. Real music fans listen to real music you can't find on streaming in a good quality file. A real music fan simply would never consider low quality streaming.
Some of us have hefty music collections that is impossible to carry around with us or stream.
In the uk we don't have unlimited data on 4g unless your on a certain network which actually doesn't offer 4g at all.
The cost of data allowance in the UK is so abhorrent a real music fan would struggle with it. It's economical to buy a huge memory card.
Simple as that. It's not difficult to comprehend .
Plus connection is never garenteed. Carry around your music is garenteed connection . Streaming is years away from bring truly userable to the general user let alone the power user.
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Right, firstly, there was no need to be condescending with your ridiculous "fake music fan" and "not difficult to comprehend" comments. You just sound foolish and it does nothing for your argument.
Secondly, the extreme quality setting on Spotify is more than good enough for almost any music you wish to listen to on the move, plus you can download for offline use at the same quality. Sure, it's obviously not be as good as FLAC or other lossless codecs, but it's not as bad as you make out either. And believe me, I'm a bit of an audiophile as you would know if you took one look at the equipment I own. We're talking about a mobile phone with an average DAC, on the move, and the issues that come with that like background noise etc, which no earphones or headphones can completely cancel. If you want to listen to your music properly to the point where dynamics matter that much, it wouldn't be through a mobile phone so lets not pretend you're some sound perfectionist and only the best will do.
As for data in the UK, I get 15gb a month on a decent deal. If you shop around you get get something that will suffice, and you certainly don't need unlimited. And I get 4G nearly everywhere now with Vodafone.
Pipe down. You came into the thread with attitude s9 you got attitude. Save it for oprah
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I live in a city and mobile reception isn't too bad, but even so you can't be guaranteed to get reception good enough to stream music and video etc without breakups and buffering. If I go somewhere out of town (such as to my parents house) there is almost no chance of getting decent data reception.
In my opinion being able to use cloud services for streaming music and video and accessing files reliably is still many years away...
I have a 200gb card in my phone and it's getting pretty full, so if manufacturers are making bigger cards I am definitely interested!
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Totally agree. Let's keep this on topic instead of
I can't understand why you care about sd card bring bigger mumbo jumbo ☺
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Pipe down. You came into the thread with attitude s9 you got attitude. Save it for oprah
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That's the ticket, continue with the condescension.
Save it for oprah. Go troll somewhere else
Yeah, you can see by how long I've been here and my like count that I'm a troll. If the repeated Oprah comment is the best you can do in response to my points then I'll leave you to it, which should make you happy.
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Right, firstly, there was no need to be condescending with your ridiculous "fake music fan" and "not difficult to comprehend" comments. You just sound foolish and it does nothing for your argument.
Secondly, the extreme quality setting on Spotify is more than good enough for almost any music you wish to listen to on the move, plus you can download for offline use at the same quality. Sure, it's obviously not be as good as FLAC or other lossless codecs, but it's not as bad as you make out either. And believe me, I'm a bit of an audiophile as you would know if you took one look at the equipment I own. We're talking about a mobile phone with an average DAC, on the move, and the issues that come with that like background noise etc, which no earphones or headphones can completely cancel. If you want to listen to your music properly to the point where dynamics matter that much, it wouldn't be through a mobile phone so lets not pretend you're some sound perfectionist and only the best will do.
As for data in the UK, I get 15gb a month on a decent deal. If you shop around you get get something that will suffice, and you certainly don't need unlimited. And I get 4G nearly everywhere now with Vodafone.
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15GB wow, here u can just get like 8gb and is extremly expensive, so I live with 3GB.....
That's the first reason to not use stream, second one is: stream services stream what is popular, if we compare, there are like 5% of my music library on the stream services, so there's no point to depend on that services (also, I have to say even extreme quality sounds not so good in street situations, I'm almost always in my car, driving)
And that just talking about music, I record a lot (no need for a dedicated camera, this phone is just right, almost perfect) and some days I need more than 32GB (2X u really get) between my music and videos and photos I take, plus all apps I have installed... thats why I need more that just internal storage, is not about trolls, is about different usages
I'm using the Sandisk 200 GB card from the LG V10 promotion. I'd imagine 256 GB will work too. Might try it myself because this card has terrible write (even sequential) and random write/read speeds.
It'll work just fine. Samsung only says it supports 200 GB, because that was the biggest SD size at the time, but it, and other top tier phones today, supports up to 2TB.
"But 2TB MicroSD doesn't exist!"
Exactly, and that's why Samsung doesn't market the 2TB support, but 200GB, which exists.
First, the pics these phones take are huge these days, I take lots of pics and some videos at max resolution, definitely need 200GB+. Second, air and car travel both require local music, so the fight over streaming vs local is moot... Quality is a possible reason for local music, but even if streaming music is good enough (true for some/many), if you travel streaming is not guaranteed, and is rarely available as opposed to rarely not available. Cloud storage and streaming services are sometimes an answer, Sometimes the problem.
I'm a bit of a storage whore because I like to have movies, emulator roms, and music stored on there, while still having room for all the pics from this phone and the last couple (S6 + Note 5) and more pics in the future.
I'm also cheap and went with a pretty fast 128GB card for $35 and I have plenty of room still.
The 32GB built-in is barely ample if you have a handful of large games that don't actually move anything to SD when you perform the "move to SD" function. When my S7E was rooted, FolderMount didn't work to get the data for games/apps moved to microSD, so I like to keep the built-in memory available for apps while keeping pics and extras on microSD.
Back when I had the S6 and Note5 with no microSD, I used the nifty 64GB SanDisk USB3.0 + microUSB slider keychain thingie https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-connector-Android-Devices-SDDD2-064G-G46/dp/B00RBGYGPG $16 is all it costs now, haha.
As mentioned in another thread, Lenovo quietly refreshed the Tab 3 Pro with 4GB RAM, a newer Intel m5 processor, and 64GB storage, FWIW. Stacking it up against the Tab 3 Plus (3GB RAM, Snapdragon 8-core, 32GB), so far a lot is speculation or anecdata.
My main questions, to put the TL;DR at the top:
How does the Plus perform out of the box, before doing any XDA magic on it? Have the audio sync issues been fixed? A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
How do these two CPUs compare? I've seen speculation that Android and/or certain apps may not be as well optimized for Intel chips, even if the m5 is otherwise more capable.
I'm strongly considering one of these two, probably the Pro. Most people, just shopping for a good tablet, will probably go with the Plus. It's currently $200 cheaper (40%), and that price point for the display and speaker quality, along with dat battery, is unquestionably a good deal. The Plus has some OOBE issues: A/V sync (possibly fixed), encryption lag, some questionable display "enhancements." But, it also has at least one dev here at XDA who has fixed all of the above and provided root, at least for the WiFi only model available in the US.
I've only had credible feedback from two different people regarding the new Pro, but word is performance is solid. Both people had the old 2GB Pro long enough to try out, and found it barely usable due to encryption lag and low RAM, and both say the new Pro is not the fastest tablet they've ever used, but has no real issues. It's probably underperforming for its hardware, but the hardware is strong enough you won't notice. Which is good, because it may never have dev support here, or not until the price drops significantly (though who knows, XDA has surprised me before).
What it probably comes down to is whether you want that projector. The projector isn't all you get for $200 - there are also small spec bumps across the board, and double the onboard storage - but if you don't have a realistic use for the projector, it would be hard to justify the extra cost. The real world performance difference between the Pro and Plus is probably not large, and may even fall in the Plus's favor if some apps have trouble with the Intel CPU (not at all verified). For me, the projector looks like it will make a serviceable bedroom TV, and probably a more comfortable solution than any of my options for getting a flatscreen in my room. The 480p will probably be inadequate for throwing comic books up on the wall (and certainly not on par with that 2HD screen), but I would give it a try.
For me, the bedroom TV prospect is one of the things pushing me over that "Do I really need a new tablet..." line. My Nook HD+ used to get a lot of use, but has been collecting dust for 2-3 years in favor of a good desktop and smartphone, and a Kindle Paperwhite taking over book duty. Now, is it not getting used because it's old and slow, or is it not getting used because I don't have much use for it?
Feedback on the new Pro is sparse, so if you have one in your hands, please let us know about it.
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A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
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Where did you see this?
kayakyakr said:
Where did you see this?
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In the aforementioned thread:
Klvn88 said:
Was talking to a Lenovo Sales Rep on their online chat system about the audio sync issue and she was saying they have "received information that all issues have been fixed." I asked her to be specific about the audio sync issue and she confirmed they were told the audio sync issue has been fixed. Any idea if this is true or was she just saying what she thought I wanted to hear?
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Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.
Taosaur said:
In the aforementioned thread:
Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.
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I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.
kayakyakr said:
I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.
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Yep, that's why I'm asking. All the info on Amazon (regarding these two devices) is pretty useless.
Is it normal for there to be such limited reviews/information for Lenovo Tablets?! Really want to buy it, but just want to know more! haha.
There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
Taosaur: I'm hoping the spec bump on the new model gets around some of the performance issues.
YouTuber: can confirm. I actually bought the new version to test it out! Loved it so much that that I sold my iPad lmao. No lag at all really
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Taosaur: Thanks for the feedback! It doesn't seem like Lenovo's much interested in people knowing the new model exists. Do you ever pull out the projector? I've been surprised how positive the feedback has been on a pretty dim 480p projector.
YouTuber: Yes I do! It's very great to seeing movies on it rather than the screen because of the size. Especially because I have a big white wall in my bedroom. The one issue I've come across with this tablet is that every battery capacity app states I have 4300 MAH battery. Less than half of 10200... however I recently learned I'm not the only one experiencing this and the battery capacity thing seems to only be a glitch. I get around 8-9 hours of screen on time with about an hour of projector use included in that so it's still pretty good
Taosaur: I don't suppose you've tried the projector with comic books? I'm guessing the resolution wouldn't make it a great experience, and the 2HD screen would be better regardless, but I'm sure I'll try it if I end up pulling the trigger. Any idea if the Hoopla Digital app works on this tablet? It's a an app for borrowing digital comics and other media with a library card. It's not compatible with my current tablet running CyanogenMod Nougat.
YouTuber: I just tested a comic and it seems to work fine. I'm sure the projector would be fine with comic books in the pitch black for sure. I just tested that app for ya and it opens just fine. I don't have a hoopla account though so I didn't get past the login screen.
I gotta say he projector is really nice for movie watching. One thing I gotta mention is... The blacks in the display aren't that good... The blacks have a blueish tone to it. I wish it was an amoled display. Still the colors are quite vibrant. Also the screen gets REALLY bright and also gets REALLY dim. Great for daytime use and night use. I tried the pixel c and it wasn't dim enough so it hurt my eyes at night
But that makes the projector all the nicer to use. After using the projector to watch the walking dead, it's hard to go back to the screen for movie watching haha. Seems so small in comparison. It's really amazing having it in such a small package. Especially as the projector is totally fanless and never needs replacement bulbs.
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And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.
Taosaur said:
There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.
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Awesome, thanks for posting that convo between you and the YouTuber. Would definitely like to hear you own experience with it.. I likely would just get the Plus version, as I don't see myself using the projector enough to justify the significantly higher price tag here in Canada. Hoping the 3gb ram is good enough for me to just use it as a media tablet, won't be a whole lot of multi-tasking. :fingers-crossed:
I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.
My Pro showed up Monday, and I do like the projector. It may end up my most-used feature, though the screen is also gorgeous. I hang the thing over my bed and project on the opposite wall, which gives at least a 55" image, less sharp but easier on the eyes at night than a backlit LCD. Zen Pinball is my go-to game on a tablet, and it plays great - the stand comes in handy. I wouldn't try to play any detailed games with the projector, but old-school emulators would probably be great, and again, the 2HD display is excellent.
There have been bugs:
I had a one-off sound glitch with the pinball game, getting really distorted sound, but going into Dolby Atmos and switching to game mode fixed it.
"Request failed" toasts kept popping up last night while I was watching Hulu. No clue what they were, but they didn't interrupt playback.
So far I've had no luck pairing the tablet with my phone over bluetooth. They see each other, but give "wrong pin" errors, despite showing the same pin. Both connect fine to my headphones and speaker.
FYI, there are more credible reports showing up on Amazon that a software update has corrected the Plus' A/V sync and "flickering" issues.
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I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.
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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.
I just bought the plus, I haven't had any audio sync issues thus far and am pretty happy with the overall build quality and performance thus far.
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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.
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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.
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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.
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It opens after a fresh install, I can get to the login/create account screen. But after login it just crashes and crashes when I startup as well.