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[Q] Why flash ROMs on the N3?

This is an honest question and I'm genuinely curious. Why is anyone flashing ROMs on this beast?
On all my previous devices I have flashed ROMs (usually AOKP) because of the added options/features, and/or to change things like icons/notification bar/notification window hacks/etc, etc... and also to speed up the device. But on this phone that's all possible on the bone stock ROM (with root of course). I've never seen this many settings and possibilities on a stock device, and for the first time since my very first smartphone I've had no desire to flash a ROM. As far as performance I really don't see how it could get much faster.
I've seen countless threads where people are just messing up their phones and I'm wondering how it's all worth it. Granted, if you know what you're doing it's very difficult to brick in the first place, but regardless, what are the benefits??
Just an honest question don't be too harsh.

siciliano777 said:
This is an honest question and I'm genuinely curious. Why is anyone flashing ROMs on this beast?
On all my previous devices I have flashed ROMs (usually AOKP) because of the added options/features, and/or to change things like icons/notification bar/notification window hacks/etc, etc... and also to speed up the device. But on this phone that's all possible on the bone stock ROM (with root of course). I've never seen this many settings and possibilities on a stock device, and for the first time since my very first smartphone I've had no desire to flash a ROM. As far as performance I really don't see how it could get much faster.
I've seen countless threads where people are just messing up their phones and I'm wondering how it's all worth it. Granted, if you know what you're doing it's very difficult to brick in the first place, but regardless, what are the benefits??
Just an honest question don't be too harsh.
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Xposed has made custom roms fairly unnecessary in general. Some people just like that stuff built in though.

akellar said:
Xposed has made custom roms fairly unnecessary in general. Some people just like that stuff built in though.
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Yeah I was thinking of Xposed in particular...it's incredible. I guess I could understand wanting those features baked in, but even then it's so incredibly easy to install and use xposed...I just don't get it. Aside from one single thing - finding a battery themer that works - I now have the phone looking and behaving exactly as I want it.

I flashed just to try them out. Personally Im still running a rooted/debloated/stock odexed MJ7 that is just modified using xposed framework and some modules. Stock has been the most reliable...fastest performing ROM for this phone IMO. I tried others and may still try new releases, but at this point...my setup works for me. Using GEL, and xposed framework, AOSP messaging, AOSP browser, hangouts with sms integration, Exdialer themed to look like kit kat...so I see no need to have a custom rom...I would end up doing the same mods that I have on my stock one....only difference is...no bugfree.
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I've been flashing ROMs since my incredible years ago. I just don't feel right running stock anymore. Even if its just mental and I know I could get most of that stuff from xposed, nothing like getting rid of all your crap and starting fresh with a new ROM haha.

Why no love for the shield tablet?

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Elaborate? I love mine!

If by love you mean acceptance by the unwashed masses then no.
If by love you mean custom roms up the wazoo then no.
If by love you mean some people here actually caress it to sleep, I'm sure there are some who do.

No roms!!!!! This is a great device, how come???
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Gotta remember the device is only a few months old.
I think a lot of rom developers may have been waiting for Lollipop. We may see an upswing in new roms being released now that the cat is out of the bag.
Whatever happens I hope we can get a rom with working wi-fi and all other functionality, and working Nvidia apps!

Ultimist said:
Gotta remember the device is only a few months old.
I think a lot of rom developers may have been waiting for Lollipop. We may see an upswing in new roms being released now that the cat is out of the bag.
Whatever happens I hope we can get a rom with working wi-fi and all other functionality, and working Nvidia apps!
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We will probably get some aosp goodness pretty soon but I highly doubt we will ever get dabbler and other proprietary Nvidia apps. Those apps are original creations from Nvidia and it wouldn't make much sense for them to release that code for anyone to download and modify. As much as I would like to have those apps on custom roms, it just won't happen.

markymark567 said:
We will probably get some aosp goodness pretty soon but I highly doubt we will ever get dabbler and other proprietary Nvidia apps. Those apps are original creations from Nvidia and it wouldn't make much sense for them to release that code for anyone to download and modify. As much as I would like to have those apps on custom roms, it just won't happen.
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Further on that, a lot of rom makers probably aren't bothering because most people with the Shield want access to the proprietary apps, I would not install a custom rom on this tablet because of GRID and what not.

whoamanwtf said:
Further on that, a lot of rom makers probably aren't bothering because most people with the Shield want access to the proprietary apps, I would not install a custom rom on this tablet because of GRID and what not.
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Yeah I agree this is probably part of it. The few Roms that have come out have tons of people posting asking for Nvidia apps. I could be biased here but generally people didn't seem very interested/great full for the work some developers have done for this tablet. Personally, I don't use dabbler, and I don't use an Nvidia controller I just use a nyko, so I very much appreciate the customs Roms available for the shield. Also I'm pretty sure they got grid working, FYI. The shield tablet simply does not appeal to the crack flashing and hacking consumer base, as such very few developers will purchase the tablet. Really the only thing this tablet has going for it it terms of android development is that it is nearly aosp. If we really want to see some movement we should find a developer who is willing and able and start a donation fund to buy said developer a shield tablet. If we could get a solid build of CM12 I think many other roms could be built from it.

For me its not really a custom ROM that I would prefer was in development, it would be more of a custom kernal, over clock, undervolt, processor profiles, different schedulers, I/O hacks, graphics settings, hotplugs etc Think synapse for shield tablet. But suppose we would probably need kernal source to make a great custom kernal. I do use kernal tweaker. Although, scheduler changes min processor clock doesn't stick (gets over ridden by settings)

Totally agree
whoamanwtf said:
Further on that, a lot of rom makers probably aren't bothering because most people with the Shield want access to the proprietary apps, I would not install a custom rom on this tablet because of GRID and what not.
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I agree with you and previous comments on nvidia original apps and features, seriously no bloatware on this device. I wouldn't want to change rom but would love to customise. I was rooted via towel root but not after the update, I don't have issues with unlocking the bootloader but since I won't be flashing rom's don't see why I should. Plus have not seen a way to completely return to stock if anything happens no warranty. I would love to getting exposed installer up and running and have gravity box working (even though that was for kiktkat). But guess I will have to wait.
To bad it's being parked since I might have to unlock the bootloader if nothing comes up and wipe this bad boy clean.
(don't really know of how to do a back up without custom recovery)

On the Nvidia apps issue, couldn't they be backed up to external SD before installing a custom rom, and then restored afterwards? Don't know enough about how Android works to know if such a thing is possible.
I do use the Shield controller and so I would at least like that to be functional. The only reason I'd want a custom rom is all the additional features, optimizations, and tweaks that come along with a good custom rom.

A pre-rooted stock based ROM with tweaks, perhaps an aroma installer with a menu of choices, also an optimized kernel would be great. This tablet is nearly perfect as it is, but some small fixes would make it really perfect. Sadly, I'm no developer...

Ultimist said:
On the Nvidia apps issue, couldn't they be backed up to external SD before installing a custom rom, and then restored afterwards? Don't know enough about how Android works to know if such a thing is possible.
I do use the Shield controller and so I would at least like that to be functional. The only reason I'd want a custom rom is all the additional features, optimizations, and tweaks that come along with a good custom rom.
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Xposed Installer, you can basically tweak anything if your rooted, gives you all the options in most custom rom's like Liquid Smooth, Mahdi Rom, Viper Rom and way more options than CM11, but you have to download certain types of files so a custom rom would be more efficient and a one stop for everything. But its a great solution to keep all of what nvidia has to offer.
I just want to re-root without unlocking bootloader. Or if there is a way to s-off so I can "Lock" the bootloader and not "relock" then I can take the normal way to root.
And regarding your suggestion I dont think that is possible since they are not apps that you can download all the files if you extract them they wont work. You can try to save them from your nvidia and download to your phone, see if that works. But I dont think it will.

I use xposed on some of my other devices but unfortunately xposed doesn't work with ART so if you upgrade to lollipop you're SOL on those awesome tweaks for the time being.
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That's uncool [emoji33] [emoji17]
But yea guess will have to wait and see what I can do because I really Dont want to change ROM's at the moment, guess I will have to stay stock for a while.

I'm Sticking to Stock, Why Don't You?

I have been using my Nexus 6 ever since I abandoned Apple. I owned every iPhone from the 3GS to the 6. I picked up my 64GB Cloud White from Amazon when they were $250 and haven't looked back since. I've always been a big techy and can't believe I stayed on boring IOS so long.
That said, when I first got my Nexus 6 of course I started trying out some custom ROMs. Pure Nexus ended up being my favorite. I just liked being able to mod my status and nav bar really. It was fun trying out ROMs, Kernels, etc. It was all new to me.
Now, I've come to the point where it just doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Android to IOS regardless. The damn App drawer is enough to make me never go back. I like stock Android the way it is. I also like using and having the ability to use Android Pay. So I roll stock. I take my OTAs and Security updates as they come and call it a day.
So, why do you prefer custom ROMs / Kernels and having ROOT to stock Android? Like, what are your deal breakers that pull you from stock to rooted / custom ROMs and Kernels?
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Thank you all for your responses. I was in no way trying to down people for modding out their own property, I was actually looking to see why some people feel root / roms are required. I just read through all of the responses and I seen quite a few that I didn't even know about or think of. Interesting.

Techbyte said:
I have been using my Nexus 6 ever since I abandoned Apple. I owned every iPhone from the 3GS to the 6. I picked up my 64GB Cloud White from Amazon when they were $250 and haven't looked back since. I've always been a big techy and can't believe I stayed on boring IOS so long.
That said, when I first got my Nexus 6 of course I started trying out some custom ROMs. Pure Nexus ended up being my favorite. I just liked being able to mod my status and nav bar really. It was fun trying out ROMs, Kernels, etc. It was all new to me.
Now, I've come to the point where it just doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Android to IOS regardless. The damn App drawer is enough to make me never go back. I like stock Android the way it is. I also like using and having the ability to use Android Pay. So I roll stock. I take my OTAs and Security updates as they come and call it a day.
So, why do you prefer custom ROMs / Kernels and having ROOT to stock Android? Like, what are your deal breakers that pull you from stock to rooted / custom ROMs and Kernels?
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Mostly due to the locked down nature. You have to remember where you are. This site was made by and for developers that take what they are given and want to make it better. You will find that most people here dont run stock software on anything. Be it their router, PC, PS4, X1 or anything else they can get their hands on.
Personally Android pay is not big for most of us. It is unsecure and not really handy when you have to carry your wallet anyway.
In the end it is all about choice. Many of my homescreen set ups require root to run.
The biggest thing for me is to theme it. Android stock just looks too ugly for me to even think about using.

Techbyte said:
... from stock to rooted / custom ROMs and Kernels?
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Layers and blacked out apps of the TBO-team.
For better readability and battery life I prefer a black/dark background.
Without root this configuration is not possible.
A child knows that a white background on devices with an amoled display causes battery drain. Apparently Google does not know that .

For the same reason you rooted and rom'd in the first place: customizations.
I'm quite picky on how everything is laid out and stock android doesn't give me most options that current roms like pure nexus offers while still having amazing performance.
Simple things like rearranging the quick drawer wasn't even available on stock until marshmallow came out while custom roms could do it way before then.
Dpi settings and xposed modules are enough for me to root.

roms/kernels, and so on.. not really important to me. sure, they are nice to have, but not a necessity. the only thing thats necessary to me is root. not because of what 98% of you are thinking, but for what root actually is, to have access to all the administrative rights. stock or custom rom, as long as i am #1 in deciding the fate of my device.

simms22 said:
.....to have access to all the administrative rights. stock or custom rom, as long as i am #1 in deciding the fate of my device.
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I like that. The principal. But the majority accepts the fact of paying a lot of money for a device with reduced functionality.

NLBeev said:
I like that. The principal. But the majority accepts the fact of paying a lot of money for a device with reduced functionality.
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the majority also do whatever their neighbor(or friend, family member, and so on..) does, just because. im not in the majority, nor do i ever want to be.. :angel:

simms22 said:
the majority also do whatever their neighbor(or friend, family member, and so on..) does, just because. im not in the majority, nor do i ever want to be.. :angel:
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ill drink to that!:good::good:

At this point the biggest reason for root for me now, is app backups. Google has gotten a better, but being able to back up my apps and data for easy restore is a must. Sat what you will about Apple, but since day 1 you could plug your iPhone into iTunes and make a complete backup of it.

but who was xposed? almost unlimited customizations, need root but you can do it over a stock base
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I use stock ROMs, but custom kernels for access to kcal color control especially. I read a lot on my nexus including at night, and I like being able to control light color (which relates to eye strain and can affect sleep) with precision. Reading apps have gotten better about offering at least some blue light-free reading modes, but back when they didn't, I got accustomed to having complete control and it's too late for me to settle for Amazon's presets or anyone else's, I can achieve the same color experience no matter what app I use (incl browsers, news readers etc). Second, I prefer the LED for notifications. Third, I like undervolting. Fourth, titanium backup for multiple reasons, but if an app update ever breaks something, I don't have to sweat it, I can roll that back to a working version no trouble.

Add blocking is important to me.
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Pie controls, adjustable screen dpi, adjust screen colors and vibration strength, skip songs with volume button, titanium backup, custom recovery. I'm sure there are more but those are the ones I can think of right now. I just like tweaking the device to make it a more effective tool.
I use a light stock rom and lean kernel which is close to stock as well. Just gotta have root and xposed.
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Let me answer with another question. Do you expect people, especially in a place like XDA, to be content with locked down device?

I have my own hobby project, to make my own custom rom, so that's why I'm not stock, but the only thing I really need is to have root.
All the changes I made were mostly to put my stamp on it, to make it mine, but I've also fixed some stupid things like you can only invoke the Clock application from the status bar if there's a scheduled alarm, instead of tapping any clock or date fields.
Also I brought back the old Electron beam screen off animation, because that was cool. Now I can choose between None, Electron Beam, and the new Color fade. And allowed the dismiss all button, of course.

I don't for the same reason I use Arch I want what I want and no more.

I recently rooted again, primarily because I missed the flexibility that comes with rooting. Deleting apps that you never use. Clear themes. Ad Blocking. If my credit union had Android Pay, I would probably still be stock unrooted.
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Tethering without blowing up my data... I am looking at you Verizon. Gotta give the man a finger. Root coz I can.
Plus ads. If they come up with a way to filter the ads and allow tethering without forcing me to pay extra I would I would gladly stay stock.
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Katt50 said:
I recently rooted again, primarily because I missed the flexibility that comes with rooting. Deleting apps that you never use. Clear themes. Ad Blocking. If my credit union had Android Pay, I would probably still be stock unrooted.
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I'm on dp3 and rooted with su2.74. I was able to load cards in android pay and it passed that safety net app. I'm going to try and make a purchase tomorrow. If it works, hooray for DP3.
I used Android pay on rooted N. I hope they leave that feature available with root in the final release.

I'm currently running stock N preview 3 but when I was running rooted it was mainly to access the notification led.
Sadly I have a few streaming apps that refuse to work while rooted and I got tired of fighting them.

I'm running a custom ROM, Why Don't You?

I have been using my Nexus 6 ever since I abandoned Apple. I owned every iPhone from the 3GS to the 6. I picked up my 64GB Cloud White from Amazon when they were $250 and haven't looked back since. I've always been a big techy and can't believe I stayed on boring IOS so long.
That said, when I first got my Nexus 6 of course I stuck to the stock ROM. MRA58K ended up being my favorite. I just liked having the Marshmallow update before everyone else. It was fun trying out the latest features in Android. It was all new to me.
Now, I've come to the point where I like the features in custom ROMs over stock. I prefer Android to IOS regardless. The damn App drawer is enough to make me never go back. Stock Android is good, but the things that can be achieved with root and/or custom ROMs is so much better. I don't necessarily need to use Android Pay, but it can be achieved with systemless root on stock and some custom ROMs anyway. So I run a custom ROM. I know how to use fastboot and TWRP so I can either flash a new ROM or fastboot flash stuff and call it a day.
So, why do you prefer stock ROMs / Kernels and not having ROOT to custom ROMs? Like, what are your deal breakers that pull you from root / custom ROMs and Kernels to stock Android?

Dopamin3 said:
I have been using my Nexus 6 ever since I abandoned Apple. I owned every iPhone from the 3GS to the 6. I picked up my 64GB Cloud White from Amazon when they were $250 and haven't looked back since. I've always been a big techy and can't believe I stayed on boring IOS so long.
That said, when I first got my Nexus 6 of course I stuck to the stock ROM. MRA58K ended up being my favorite. I just liked having the Marshmallow update before everyone else. It was fun trying out the latest features in Android. It was all new to me.
Now, I've come to the point where I like the features in custom ROMs over stock. I prefer Android to IOS regardless. The damn App drawer is enough to make me never go back. Stock Android is good, but the things that can be achieved with root and/or custom ROMs is so much better. I don't necessarily need to use Android Pay, but it can be achieved with systemless root on stock and some custom ROMs anyway. So I run a custom ROM. I know how to use fastboot and TWRP so I can either flash a new ROM or fastboot flash stuff and call it a day.
So, why do you prefer stock ROMs / Kernels and not having ROOT to custom ROMs? Like, what are your deal breakers that pull you from root / custom ROMs and Kernels to stock Android?
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I used to root my phone for two reason. 1) I liked stock android over the other skins that LG, Samsung, and the like put on their phones, and 2) I liked to run custom kernels to squeeze every last bit of performance out of my single core phones. Fast forward to 2015. I have a Nexus 6, so I have stock Android out of the box with all the benefits that come with a Nexus phone. Also with modern hardware, a custom kernel really doesn't offer enough of a performance increase for me to warrant adding root and all the things that come with flashing a custom ROM. I used to love to tinker, but now at the end of the day, I just want my phone to work, and stock Android on my Nexus phone does all I want it to do.

as always, with Android, its all about choice.
and, even though stock Android blows away anything on the IBone, the reality is that at least 80% of the users on XDA are using custom roms, or at least rooted.
If you want to stay stock, good for you; if you want to stay stock and rooted, that's even better.
But if you dont know why most folks want to root, then you might be frequenting the wrong web forum..
Dont kid yourself; the VAST MAJORITY of members on XDA come here for custom roms, custom hacks, custom anything and everything..

I already have the Federal Government telling me what is good for me and what will make me happy, I'd rather not have Google do the same with a stock ROM.

I've ran many custom roms, but I'm not on my Nexus 6. I like the stock rom. I'm happy with just root and custom recovery on my stock setup. Device runs great and I get great battery life. I can use the root apps I want and that's enough for me.

Here is a much more important question:
I don't post repeated things in separate threads to keep the forum clean. Why don't you?
Here is your original post on the present thread:
Dopamin3 said:
I have been using my Nexus 6 ever since I abandoned Apple. I owned every iPhone from the 3GS to the 6. I picked up my 64GB Cloud White from Amazon when they were $250 and haven't looked back since. I've always been a big techy and can't believe I stayed on boring IOS so long.
That said, when I first got my Nexus 6 of course I stuck to the stock ROM. MRA58K ended up being my favorite. I just liked having the Marshmallow update before everyone else. It was fun trying out the latest features in Android. It was all new to me.
Now, I've come to the point where I like the features in custom ROMs over stock. I prefer Android to IOS regardless. The damn App drawer is enough to make me never go back. Stock Android is good, but the things that can be achieved with root and/or custom ROMs is so much better. I don't necessarily need to use Android Pay, but it can be achieved with systemless root on stock and some custom ROMs anyway. So I run a custom ROM. I know how to use fastboot and TWRP so I can either flash a new ROM or fastboot flash stuff and call it a day.
So, why do you prefer stock ROMs / Kernels and not having ROOT to custom ROMs? Like, what are your deal breakers that pull you from root / custom ROMs and Kernels to stock Android?
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And here is a substantially identical thread at http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/im-sticking-to-stock-dont-t3383517
Techbyte said:
I have been using my Nexus 6 ever since I abandoned Apple. I owned every iPhone from the 3GS to the 6. I picked up my 64GB Cloud White from Amazon when they were $250 and haven't looked back since. I've always been a big techy and can't believe I stayed on boring IOS so long.
That said, when I first got my Nexus 6 of course I started trying out some custom ROMs. Pure Nexus ended up being my favorite. I just liked being able to mod my status and nav bar really. It was fun trying out ROMs, Kernels, etc. It was all new to me.
Now, I've come to the point where it just doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Android to IOS regardless. The damn App drawer is enough to make me never go back. I like stock Android the way it is. I also like using and having the ability to use Android Pay. So I roll stock. I take my OTAs and Security updates as they come and call it a day.
So, why do you prefer custom ROMs / Kernels and having ROOT to stock Android? Like, what are your deal breakers that pull you from stock to rooted / custom ROMs and Kernels?
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Thank you all for your responses. I was in no way trying to down people for modding out their own property, I was actually looking to see why some people feel root / roms are required. I just read through all of the responses and I seen quite a few that I didn't even know about or think of. Interesting.
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Am I missing something or is this some kind of joke?

I'm cooking my own, as for how much it is custom, that's another question. Since it's a hobby project for me, and since I code for a living, and have family and kids, I don't even touch the code every weekend.

najoor said:
Here is a much more important question:
I don't post repeated things in separate threads to keep the forum clean. Why don't you?
Here is your original post on the present thread:
And here is a substantially identical thread at http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/im-sticking-to-stock-dont-t3383517
Am I missing something or is this some kind of joke?
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I smell a "Spambot"

najoor said:
Here is a much more important question:
I don't post repeated things in separate threads to keep the forum clean. Why don't you?
Here is your original post on the present thread:
And here is a substantially identical thread at http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/im-sticking-to-stock-dont-t3383517
Am I missing something or is this some kind of joke?
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LMAO! Dopamin3 is most definitely not me, but I see where his choice of thread title and having the Nexus 6 made you think that. Purely coincidental I assure you. I have one account and this is it.
EDIT: Wait, wtf? I posted before I read the thread. He straight up copy and pasted one of my posts. Just added a little to it. Oh Wow. No wonder.... Still not me though.

Techbyte said:
LMAO! Dopamin3 is most definitely not me, but I see where his choice of thread title and having the Nexus 6 made you think that. Purely coincidental I assure you. I have one account and this is it.
EDIT: Wait, wtf? I posted before I read the thread. He straight up copy and pasted one of my posts. Just added a little to it. Oh Wow. No wonder.... Still not me though.
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Uh... right.
Why would anybody do that, especially for something as pointless as THIS?

doitright said:
Uh... right.
Why would anybody do that, especially for something as pointless as THIS?
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No idea. Maybe he seen my post and was in a similar situation. First time jumping from iPhone, picked up the Nexus 6 on that Amazon sale. I am sure they sold thousands of them. I could care less to be honest. I just responded because that is not me.

It's been said by others above, but the fact is that the monthly security updates and getting the latest Android (well, maybe not the final release of N, but still), there just isn't as much reason for a custom ROM for me. I use Helium Backup, which works pretty well without root, and backup/restore was one of the few reasons I would root previously.
I have it OEM unlocked, custom recovery, but no root. Things seem to "just work", and I can't be bothered with the idiosyncrasies of running a custom ROM especially on a Nexus phone.

Custom roms since joining XDA, it's what I enjoy and I would miss the "high" otherwise!

Any hope in development?

In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?

RileyIssKing said:
In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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I purchased this phone coming from an Iphone 6Plus, thinking I could definitely obtain root on the most sold android phone still in use. Nope. Pretty disappointing as I think it may be the best phone ever made.

RileyIssKing said:
In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, development, Imo, is dead. There isn't stable root, no rom development outside of slightly modded stuff to change your status bar and the most recent breakthrough was substratum... Which wasn't even meant for this phone but rather the s8 but it still works. Now I use and love substratum but I really want an aosp/pixel rom and stable root and Xposed but I don't think that any of this is coming ever. I could be wrong. But I'm tired of buying locked down Samsung devices because of this. This seems more like a rant but it's more of a psa to developers who wanna help the hopeless. Ya know?
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I didn't do enough research before buying S7. Coming from Nexus 6p this is really foreign to me. I saw s7 had root but didn't look into the 2 different processors, all the different carriers (it doesn't matter on Nexus devices.)
Far as Development goes...its probably not going to happen unless someone finds a way to unlock the bootloader. Next best thing might be Safe Strap but afaik there's nothing in the works.
For now I'm making the best of it. I'm having a decent experience with the Eng kernel. Currently looking into the nonrooted Rom. My hope is I'll be able to make some changes (like installing viper) then switching to the stock boot.img and trying to make those changes stick. Supposedly it's possible but I'm still trying to get some guidance. Experimenting with this phone sucks because the process for root is pretty long then setting everything up THEN it might not work so back to square one.

Especially once done with purchase plan or contract (should you have one) and out of warranty. After that point, it's mine to do with as I please! (I know, should be able to do it whenever, but I'm playing by their rules for a minute.) So it's already BS for those who bought first few months and have paid off.
Personally, what is driving me crazy is battery drain. I'm running about 144k on AnTuTu, so no major complaints with performance, but plugging it in more than once a day sucks. Power drain when I'm not doing anything: sucks. I know it's all this useless crapware running in the background, even tho I killed some with Package Disabler Pro. Just addressing that would improve my mood. If AT&T is trying to ensure we'll all look very carefully at unlocked phones next time, they are doing a bang-up job.