TWRP is here!!!!!!!!! - TWRP Discussion Thread - Sprint - Sprint Galaxy Note 4 General

TWRP LINK:
> http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/266
> TMO Root & Recovery Guide UPDATED!
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About time the party started...now, what could I flash...hhhmmmmmm

Awesome. Don't have a laptop on me right now but as soon as i go home. I'm flashing it. Wohooo

It worked for me, i flashed the odin version.

Can i just dl the .img file and flash it via flashify !! Im gonna give it a shot.

Yaay

pantmunu said:
Yaay
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I am going to use your image (jpg) in the meantime... okay?

Pardon my ignorance but what's the best way to get twrp installed if I haven't rooted yet?
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TEKHD said:
I am going to use your image (jpg) in the meantime... okay?
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Sure thing. Thanks.
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Just a quick thingy ... If u are using astro file manager .. And try to loock for your backup file inside twrp .. It won't show you anything. Weird. Used stock file manager from Samsung and its there.

One more.

Installed twrp recovery via Odin. Works fine...How do I rename my nandroid? I'm unable to rename it through myfiles or from my pc.

Dave2582 said:
Installed twrp recovery via Odin. Works fine...How do I rename my nandroid? I'm unable to rename it through myfiles or from my pc.
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While in recovery click on the auto generate button before backing up .. It will prompt you to the right place for renaming your back up before backing up .

Nice gotta flash this when I get home.

i used the Odin method and now I have a recovery. Thanks to TeamWin.

Used Flashify with img file and installed fine, backup made!

M2Iceman said:
Used Flashify with img file and installed fine, backup made!
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You just opened flashify, recovery and downloaded file with flashing and installed recovery?
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imex99 said:
You just opened flashify, recovery and downloaded file with flashing and installed recovery?
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yup flashify FTW you can download and install right from the app

fatboypup said:
yup flashify FTW you can download and install right from the app
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Yes sir, got it working and backed up my phone.
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Flashed using ODIN with no issues.
Trips knox, no biggie.

Using twrp 2.8.0.1 all is fine except I cannot access the "swipe to unlock" after backup or restore complete. It also appears to lose ability to have touch screen working also when screen blanks. Advice appreciated.
I have to hold the power switch to turn off and turn on again.
Shalom john
Using gt-i9505 intl with GF rom, no other issues at all.

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S3 Now available in clockwork recovery

The S3 has been added to supported devices​
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anyone else having issues flashing CWM Touch from recovery? I can't get it to take even though it successfully completes.
contradude said:
anyone else having issues flashing CWM Touch from recovery? I can't get it to take even though it successfully completes.
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You downloaded the d2spr version from download.clockworkmod.com?
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:O i know two of those phones!
did the cwm on the connect and lucid
shabbypenguin said:
:O i know two of those phones!
did the cwm on the connect and lucid
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When are we gonna get an update on the prevail?
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Can't backup ROM, "sd marker not found"
Any ideas?
It said that to me when trying to use the app to backup but I did it manualy and it worked fine.
Any advantage/disadvantage of flashing the new CWM through ROM Manager, or manually through ODIN? Btw, do you flash this through ODIN or (old) CWM since this is a .img file?
Just so ppl know, you can find all CWM Recoveries here:
http://download.clockworkmod.com/recoveries/
Our device is d2spr
Towards the bottom you'll find the CWM Touch Recovery, I flashed the img using Mobile Odin and it's working fine
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fergie716 said:
Just so ppl know, you can find all CWM Recoveries here:
http://download.clockworkmod.com/recoveries/
Our device is d2spr
Towards the bottom you'll find the CWM Touch Recovery, I flashed the img using Mobile Odin and it's working fine
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Ah... flashed it through mobile ODIN... thanks for the tip, Fergie!
MinimalistChris said:
Ah... flashed it through mobile ODIN... thanks for the tip, Fergie!
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No problem!
Another tip, backups made with the older CWM recovery (the unofficial one, the one you probably flashed after rooting initially), those older backups may not be compatible with the newer, official versions. I'm using the latest CWM Touch 5.8.4.6 and it seems to backup system and data differently
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Can't seem to get the .img to flash when using mobile odin... I tried to click on Recovery then find the file, but it doesn't list the file, only the folders I have available. Am I doing something wrong?
klarthur said:
Can't seem to get the .img to flash when using mobile odin... I tried to click on Recovery then find the file, but it doesn't list the file, only the folders I have available. Am I doing something wrong?
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If you downloaded the CWM img file rename it to just "recovery.img" then put it on the root of your SD
Open up Mobile Odin, Select "Open File", then select your recovery.img (I put it on Internal Storage)
After you select your recovery.img, before you select Flash Firmware, it should list the recovery.img in the recovery slot
Then you should be all set. Select Flash Firmware and after it flashes you should automatically be rebooted into recovery (I suggest making a backup ASAP just to be safe)
Phew... Glad to see there is a fix... I thought I was losing my freaking mind when I tried backup of my rom....
EDIT: something is borked...not right ...frustrated user...mad.mad.mad :crying::crying::crying:
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Mobile Odin didn't help me much... could I install the touch recovery.img through adb? dd if=/sdcard/recovery.img of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p18 ?
wpjessie said:
Mobile Odin didn't help me much... could I install the touch recovery.img through adb? dd if=/sdcard/recovery.img of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p18 ?
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The mobile Odin way did not work for me. After I flashed the img file, rebooted and tried to do a backup using Clockwork mod, the phone rebooted and gave me the same errors as posted above! ???Help???
EDIT: Duplicated this same error/issue on my second GS3...so it is definitely CWM related...also..cannot "see" or view the backups on the phone via the Rom Manager app either..very frustrating...hope those smarter than me can fix...I am willing to assist in any way... thanks
I flashed the new touch cwm in the unofficial recovery and it works, but doesn't stick, reverts back to the old recovery after a reboot???
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This may be a dumb question but, couldn't we just install ROM Manager and flash the CWM recovery with it, like I used to do on my EVO 4G?
w8setter said:
I flashed the new touch cwm in the unofficial recovery and it works, but doesn't stick, reverts back to the old recovery after a reboot???
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the team epic guys has set us up with a recovery that would stick cause the first samsung ota automatically reverted to their own recovery instead of cwm. maybe this issue is related. it just keeps overwriting what you flashed thinking that it's a bad (Samsung) recovery. don't know for sure as i haven't tried it yet.
gtpdjw said:
It said that to me when trying to use the app to backup but I did it manualy and it worked fine.
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that defeats the purpose of this new, "supported" recovery as i would like the option to flash things and manage backups via rom manager.
jf11time said:
This may be a dumb question but, couldn't we just install ROM Manager and flash the CWM recovery with it, like I used to do on my EVO 4G?
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thats what i did.
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mine sticks, just rebooted 2 times, and after booting into recovery again still version 5.8.4.6 which is latest.
installed via rom manager
about to try touch

[Q] Anyway to flash stock Recovery without PC

I prefer to keep my recovery as stock for security reasons but occasionally I'll be away from PC and want to flash something with a custom recovery, so I'll flash CWM using ROM manager or TWRP with goo, but to revert to stock recovery I'll have to wait until I'm back at my PC.
So is there a way to revert to stock recovery without the PC?
Thanks in advance
Put the stock recovery on your phone. You can flash it with cwm or terminal when you'd like.
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Put the stock recovery on your phone. You can flash it with cwm or terminal when you'd like.
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Can you elaborate please. I have the stock recovery.IMG on my phone but can't see any way to install non zip files with CWM.
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stuart0001 said:
Can you elaborate please. I have the stock recovery.IMG on my phone but can't see any way to install non zip files with CWM.
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If you have an .img file do it with the terminal emulator. Its been a while since I have done that (The G1 days) but assuming recovery.img is in the root of your sdcard, I believe the command is:
su
flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery.img
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El Daddy said:
If you have an .img file do it with the terminal emulator. Its been a while since I have done that (The G1 days) but assuming recovery.img is in the root of your sdcard, I believe the command is:
su
flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery.img
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Thanks for that. It all seems ok apart from the path to sdcard as it didn't find the img. Any ideas on what it should be?
stuart0001 said:
Thanks for that. It all seems ok apart from the path to sdcard as it didn't find the img. Any ideas on what it should be?
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Maybe /data/media/0/recovery.img
I don't thing flash_image works on a anything after GB.
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Maybe /data/media/0/recovery.img
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Thanks but still no joy
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I don't thing flash_image works on a anything after GB.
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You might be right. Any other method work?
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How did you install your recovery to your phone? If you used recovery revert disabler simply flash this file in cwm then reboot. Your device should automatically return to stock revocery.
http://www.mediafire.com/?19enww985e2gpnc
This is not my upload by the way. You can find more info on this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34202821&postcount=1
sMtt said:
How did you install your recovery to your phone? If you used recovery revert disabler simply flash this file in cwm then reboot. Your device should automatically return to stock revocery.
http://www.mediafire.com/?19enww985e2gpnc
This is not my upload by the way. You can find more info on this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34202821&postcount=1
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I used goo to install twrp.
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One option is to use dd, it can raw write your stock recovery img into recovery partition.
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Thanks but still no joy
You might be right. Any other method work?
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Just an untested guess but looking at a CWM flashable zip something along the lines of...
Code:
dd if=/data/media/0/recovery.img of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/recovery
I think I would try to make/find a CWM flasable for the stock recovery.img
3rdstring said:
Just an untested guess but looking at a CWM flashable zip something along the lines of...
Code:
dd if=/data/media/0/recovery.img of=/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/recovery
I think I would try to make/find a CWM flasable for the stock recovery.img
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I can't find a flash-able zip and unfortunately I have never created one. Unless there's anyone more knowledgeable than me that is willing to create one I'll have a go myself when I get some spare time. Could be an interesting learning exercise :laugh:
download the stock recovery from this thread and flash in cwm/twrp: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34455826
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Is this for any phone or just for nexus 4

[Q] Trapped in Android Sstem Recoery 3e

Ive trapped in android system recovery 3e
I cant put URL but you can see it in google
HELP
What is exactly happening? (explain in detail)
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You cant get out of the recovery? Hold volume up a few seconds and you should get a menu.
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Exactly.......
Thibaultvw said:
You cant get out of the recovery? Hold volume up a few seconds and you should get a menu.
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I haven't got SO
And I only can acces to Factory Mode and Android System Recovery Mode 3e. I haven't got CWS to install my rom stock
Android System Recovery just have this options (This is a Internet image)
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There isn't nothing more to explain
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I haven't got SO
And I only can acces to Factory Mode and Android System Recovery Mode 3e. I haven't got CWS to install my rom stock
Android System Recovery just have this options (This is a Internet image)
There isn't nothing more to explain
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Tell us what you did to get it this way.
Also, wipe data and cache and try to restart.(I think this won't help but try anyway)
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I don't get your problem at the moment, please explain what's not working/what you want to do and what you did
By the way why do you post an image of a samsung galaxy in cwm when you are asking in the nexus 4 forums?
Please help us to understand what you want
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I'm stuck
Sorry my English level
I had root access on my terminal when I try to install an app from :/ system / app to install a systema app, then the action reboot my android and my android don't start again but the problem is that I don't install CWM
I just can access to the android recovery mode
That recovery allows me to:
-apply update from ADB
-apply update from sdcard
-apply update from cache
-wipe data and factory reset
-wipe cache
- "do backup"
- "restore backup"
That I want is install my rom that I've got it in a microsd, and to do that I need know way to install rom without acces to the android SO and without CWM
I appreciate the help. Thank You
If your bootloader is already unlocked just flash cwm (there should be a guide on how to do that) and then flash the rom
Or you simply reflash the stock rom
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Can you explain me how Can I flash CWM in details?
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danielrg44 said:
Can you explain me how Can I flash CWM in details?
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Download the recovery img from their site, and use "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img" while the phone is in the boot loader. If that's not detailed enough, there are plenty of guides stickied that have step by step instructions on how to do this.
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Sorry I am noob with android, what is bootloader? what do I have to do to access to bootloader? If I get access to bootloader what I have to do?
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danielrg44 said:
Sorry I am noob with android, what is bootloader? what do I have to do to access to bootloader? If I get access to bootloader what I have to do?
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Hold volume down + power. That is the bootloader. I would advise that you read this. It will teach you all the basics, and has detailed instructions on how to flash a custom recovery (cwm).
Trapped? 0.o
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I think my phone died

Hello xda,
I got à big problem. Let me start from the beginning. I was using latest pacman rom nightly. In the forum they said hat I need to install color fixed zip to install so I can use Franco kernel. After that this happened
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. So I tripped a bit. I did factory reset and I restored to an old bad backup where my keyboard was broken, but it worked aigain. Then I resetted aigain and updated to latest rom. Then keyboard still broken and other stuff, so I thought if I format system files and reinstall rom it will work, but then it went wrong I also deleted my rom by accident and now when I boot it's stuck on google screen and in cwm it says when I want to reboot: root acces is missing, click yes - root device (/system/xbin/su). Has my phone died?? Other ways I have big problem. Could anyone please help me? Thanks in advance guys.
Your options:
1. Boot into cwm, use adb to push a ROM to the phone, then flash it.
2. Flash the factory images.
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Chromium_ said:
Your options:
1. Boot into cwm, use adb to push a ROM to the phone, then flash it.
2. Flash the factory images.
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Could you be more specefic please. I'm still a noob. Where can I use adb? And If I flash rom isn't it the same as factory images?
ion_elgreco said:
Could you be more specefic please. I'm still a noob. Where can I use adb? And If I flash rom isn't it the same as factory images?
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1.
-Setup adb: http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-set-up-android-adb-and-fastboot-on-windows-tutorial/
-Then download a ROM and out it on your desktop. Rename it to ROM.zip
-Put the phone into cwm, and open a command prompt
-Type "adb devices" to see if the phone is recognized. Then type "cd Desktop", and finally "adb push ROM.zip /sdcard/"
-Wait till its done, then on your phone browse to the ROM and flash it.
2. To flash factory images: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010312
Flashing the factory images is more thorough than simply flashing a ROM. You will lose pretty Mich everything including your custom recovery, so your phone will be like it was when in came out of the factory.
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1.
-Setup adb: http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-set-up-android-adb-and-fastboot-on-windows-tutorial/
-Then download a ROM and out it on your desktop. Rename it to ROM.zip
-Put the phone into cwm, and open a command prompt
-Type "adb devices" to see if the phone is recognized. Then type "cd Desktop", and finally "adb push ROM.zip /sdcard/"
-Wait till its done, then on your phone browse to the ROM and flash it.
2. To flash factory images: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010312
Flashing the factory images is more thorough than simply flashing a ROM. You will lose pretty Mich everything including your custom recovery, so your phone will be like it was when in came out of the factory.
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Is it necesseray to flash factory images? And I will keep root if I do it? cause you say will be like it was when it came out of the factory,
ion_elgreco said:
Is it necesseray to flash factory images? And I will keep root if I do it? cause you say will be like it was when it came out of the factory,
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No you wont keep root. Only flash factory images if my first suggestion doesnt work.
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No you wont keep root. Only flash factory images if my first suggestion doesnt work.
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Ok thank you very much. I downloaded the sdk tool, but it looks different then in the tutorial...
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Ok thank you very much. I downloaded the sdk tool, but it looks different then in the tutorial...
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
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In platform tools I have adb.exe and fastbook.exe, but how do I setup i dont quite understand it. I have used before to root an other tool, isn't it easier to use that.
ion_elgreco said:
In platform tools I have adb.exe and fastbook.exe, but how do I setup i dont quite understand it. I have used before to root an other tool, isn't it easier to use that.
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No I forbid you from using a toolkit
Just follow the guide. I think that you are now on step 3.
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No I forbid you from using a toolkit
Just follow the guide. I think that you are now on step 3.
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How can I enable usb debugging when I can't get in to android?
ion_elgreco said:
How can I enable usb debugging when I can't get in to android?
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You dont need to. Adb works while the phone is in cwm.
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You dont need to. Adb works while the phone is in cwm.
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In cwm still says adb not recognized.....
ion_elgreco said:
In cwm still says adb not recognized.....
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Install drivers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1992345
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Install drivers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1992345
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I have installed the drivers. Never mind I used nexus 4 toolkit v2.0 and pushed file to sdcard and installed rom.zip! And its working, thank god, otherways my mother would have killed me hehe

Can't install recovery.

I've rooted my phone, then followed all the steps in the recovery installing guide, but then I get this message and nothing happens:
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I don't know what to do. I'm trying to install CWM.
MaorSwan said:
I've rooted my phone, then followed all the steps in the recovery installing guide, but then I get this message and nothing happens:
I don't know what to do. I'm trying to install CWM.
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Use Flashify
It just makes it so easy.
scottdanpor said:
Use Flashify
It just makes it so easy.
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Downloaded it, now what?
MaorSwan said:
Downloaded it, now what?
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I'm not sure which guide you're using, I installed TWRP with it. But all you need is your recovery.zip file. Choose Recovery Image, then "Choose a file" and flash your recovery zip file. You can try "Download CWM" but it might not find one for the LS980 (depends which version you have).
scottdanpor said:
I'm not sure which guide you're using, I installed TWRP with it. But all you need is your recovery.zip file. Choose Recovery Image, then "Choose a file" and flash your recovery zip file. You can try "Download CWM" but it might not find one for the LS980 (depends which version you have).
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Can you give me a link to the newest TWRP so I'd install it?
MaorSwan said:
Can you give me a link to the newest TWRP so I'd install it?
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Which version of LG G2 do you have?
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Which version of LG G2 do you have?
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D802
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D802
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Ah ok, I had a look through the thread and it looks like your best bet is to use the auto method, and if that doesn't work, you'll have to go manual. You can use flashify to update after you get the recovery on the first time.
I used this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2469995 , also on D802
and after that, i updatet via twrp to the latest verion, but i can't find the link right now.
Does flashify automatically install loki to bypass the locked boot leader? Does it work on the VS980?
Try Freegee from playstore. Very easy to use. I have d802 and used that one.
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mrm43 said:
Try Freegee from playstore. Very easy to use. I have d802 and used that one.
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second that , used Freegee to install twrp
just install the app and choose what kind of recovery you want , it will download and install , then press menu and reboot to recovery to test it
couldn't be easier
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second that , used Freegee to install twrp
just install the app and choose what kind of recovery you want , it will download and install , then press menu and reboot to recovery to test it
couldn't be easier
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Does this take care of Loki and the locked boot loader as well, or do you have to do that separately?
mattlach said:
Does this take care of Loki and the locked boot loader as well, or do you have to do that separately?
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not sure to be honest , i just bought the phone 3 days ago
but it helped me install the recovery and i installed a new rom without a problem
and yes there is an option update zip in loki or something like that , do you know what is it ?

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