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4.3 or 4.4 ?

Anyone hear any news about when we can expect 4.3 or 4.4 ?

ipguy said:
Anyone hear any news about when we can expect 4.3 or 4.4 ?
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Im curious about this too. Im thinking of picking up this bad boy tomorrow. I just returned a Galaxy Note 3 (too big!)

Why does it even matter ? What can't you do with your phone while running 4.2.2 ?

Cst79 said:
Why does it even matter ? What can't you do with your phone while running 4.2.2 ?
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There are tons of improvement, bug fix, and optimization in 4.3. With current 4.2.2 G2 is already a beast, cant wait how the performance with 4.3 or even 4.4

Cst79 said:
Why does it even matter ? What can't you do with your phone while running 4.2.2 ?
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Read up about TRIM

ipguy said:
Read up about TRIM
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Does this phone really need TRIM? I had 2 devices that really "needed" it.
One of them having the I/O etc issues and etc. Htc One X and Nexus 7. It did not make any difference .
No matter what I do, the Nexus 7 even with the TRIM running, btw read up on the conditions when it will fire away, is incredibly laggy. (And yes everything was tried, factory images, custom roms, custom kernels, setups) Will go for exchange
I would say TRIM is a bit overrated.
4.3 might not be for everyone to look for.
However rumors around 4.4 seem to be nice. I would have nothing against to skip the 4.3 and go directly to 4.4.
If they really cut down on the hungry resources and it will run on lesser devices, newer ones will literally fly

ipguy said:
Anyone hear any news about when we can expect 4.3 or 4.4 ?
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guessing, november
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/514505/20131017/android-4-kitkat-update-8-htc-lg.htm#.Ul_VadJDs1c

serialtoon said:
Im curious about this too. Im thinking of picking up this bad boy tomorrow. I just returned a Galaxy Note 3 (too big!)
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lol..yes that damn phone is huge....
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PAGOT said:
Does this phone really need TRIM? I had 2 devices that really "needed" it.
One of them having the I/O etc issues and etc. Htc One X and Nexus 7. It did not make any difference .
No matter what I do, the Nexus 7 even with the TRIM running, btw read up on the conditions when it will fire away, is incredibly laggy. (And yes everything was tried, factory images, custom roms, custom kernels, setups) Will go for exchange
I would say TRIM is a bit overrated.
4.3 might not be for everyone to look for.
However rumors around 4.4 seem to be nice. I would have nothing against to skip the 4.3 and go directly to 4.4.
If they really cut down on the hungry resources and it will run on lesser devices, newer ones will literally fly
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I def know that the LG G2/Moto X does not need trim.....

ipguy said:
Anyone hear any news about when we can expect 4.3 or 4.4 ?
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Wait till N5 launches with 4.4, then it will only be a matter of time till its port to the G2.

ipguy said:
Read up about TRIM
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I understand about TRIM but if LG were to ask you that you can only have 1 ROM...4.3 or 4.4 what would you choose?
You can get 4.3 with TRIM or you can get 4.4 with TRIM + other features.
I want LG to skip 4.3 and focus on 4.4 because I want the new features + TRIM. In another 1-2 weeks, 4.3 will be nothing but history when 4.4 will be announced by Google. Everyone will want 4.4 and as much as you trust LG in thinking they will provide a software update for both 4.3 and 4.4, that is very unlikely. The process for a carrier and OEM to release an Android update is a long process and if LG were to go through this process, I want the latest and greatest Android update. 4.3 is very minor and other than TRIM support, I don't really care about the rest of the features.

4.3 Is awful. I kept 4.2.2 on my nexus devices due to the suck that is 4.3. I couldn't care less about an upgrade right now.

PAGOT said:
No matter what I do, the Nexus 7 even with the TRIM running, btw read up on the conditions when it will fire away, is incredibly laggy. (And yes everything was tried, factory images, custom roms, custom kernels, setups) Will go for exchange
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You actually had a laggy Nexus 7?
My Nexus 7 is buttery smooth with PAC 3.99 (Android 4.3).

dmbardal said:
You actually had a laggy Nexus 7?
My Nexus 7 is buttery smooth with PAC 3.99 (Android 4.3).
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I still do....
PA, CM, stock, factory resets, all kernels. And all the tools. Nothing helps... And I even have the best variant...
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Honestly, G2 on 4.2.2 is a damn good phone. I say get it, use it and prepare for Nexus 5 Roms to be available shortly. Trust me, you'll be happy you did.

PAGOT said:
I still do....
PA, CM, stock, factory resets, all kernels. And all the tools. Nothing helps... And I even have the best variant...
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The new 2013 model ?
I'm still on the "old" 2012 model.
You should return it if you ask me.

dmbardal said:
The new 2013 model ?
I'm still on the "old" 2012 model.
You should return it if you ask me.
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the old model... I do not know that the new models had this problem...
anyways be happy you do not have that lag. there are like gazillion theories why it happens... boiling down to ****ty hw ... Once the SD gets full on extensive use the perfomance starts degrading, more and more quickly till the point factory resets wont do nothing...
Anyway enough OT Back to this phone.
You all guys think it that the Nexus 5 will be based on this.
Well I do not wanna pop your bubble.
But as mentioned earlier I had Nexus 7 old one with Tegra 3. And the Htc One X basically same device.
Thinking that we will have as well clones from Nexus 7. Did not happen and I actually do not know if anything or anything that matters came from the Nexus 7 to Htc One X despite being the same Chipset and etc.
Well could have been caused also cuz of Nvidia locking down their sources. But I think Snapdragon is also sometimes not so nice.
Anyways, saying that there will be for sure ports and etc. Till we really do not have the specs black on white, you wont know for sure.
Also there are already differences that might be crucial. So who knows how good the ports will be anyways.
Still knowing all this I ordered it. I would love nothing more then AOSP with Xposed and lets say Gravity Box + Greenify to make me happy

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You all guys think it that the Nexus 5 will be based on this.
Well I do not wanna pop your bubble.
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The FCC filing for what we think is the nexus 5 was based on the g2. A recertification or something IIRC. Other than the rumor of there maybe being multiple nexus phones coming out it seems like a lock that the n5 is g2 based.

Geekybiker said:
The FCC filing for what we think is the nexus 5 was based on the g2. A recertification or something IIRC. Other than the rumor of there maybe being multiple nexus phones coming out it seems like a lock that the n5 is g2 based.
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Not the point I was making though. I just meant that there might be differences that will make a 1:1 port not possible and we will have to forget about some stock features of the G2.
Getting of track there . 4.4 I do not remember google teasing so much with it ... or Nestle...

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Not the point I was making though. I just meant that there might be differences that will make a 1:1 port not possible and we will have to forget about some stock features of the G2.
Getting of track there . 4.4 I do not remember google teasing so much with it ... or Nestle...
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Sure, but I'd expect AOSP roms to show up shortly afterwards. LG based stock one.. who cares. However it would be smart if LG did leverage their development work on the n5 to be the first out with 4.4 on a non-nexus device.

I really don't want to hurt feelings, but seeing past neither 4.3 nor 4.4 coming anytime soon.
Lg will highly updates it's phones once if it suits & that is also about year late. Than forget updates through lg.

VZW 4.4.1: When do you think we'll see it?

So as the interwebz suggest, 4.4.1 is right around the corner for the Nexus 5/GPE devices. Considering the fact that the VZW variant of the Moto X was on the bleeding edge of the Kit Kat OTA and got it before even the Nexus 4, do you think this is a trend that will continue? I'm interested to see what bug fixes there are and if the promised camera improvements will be aimed specifically at the Nexus 5, or perhaps broader improvements to the software. What do you guys think?

I don't think 4.4.1 will aim other devices. It will include fixes for Nexus 5 only IMO.

I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?

natezire71 said:
I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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Then you buy a developer's edition.

natezire71 said:
I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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This is one big reason I went for the Dev Edition... I'm too much of a tinkerer to fret over such unknowns. I mean it always comes eventually, but with Dev Editions you get instant gratification! Just need to flash stock recovery, accept the OTA, reflash custom recovery, re-root. BAM, done.

natezire71 said:
I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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I've been using an Android phone since 2.1.
By my quick count on Wikipedia, there have been 27 versions (including minor updates) of Android since 2.1.
I'm not aware of any Android version that was discovered to be unrootable.
I suspect you don't have to be too worried...

icon123 said:
Then you buy a developer's edition.
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Buy me one? I don't have that kind of money.
Furthermore, I have a Motomaker custom. I don't want to lose that.

kbluhm said:
This one reason I went for the Dev Edition... I'm too much of a tinkerer to fret over such unknowns. I mean it always comes eventually, but with Dev Editions you get instant gratification!
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I beat you by about 5 sec. But really, that's what this game has come to. If you want easy root and possibly romming, then dev editions are going to be the only way to go. Right now, I think moto is making that easier for us to do.

binary visions said:
I've been using an Android phone since 2.1.
By my quick count on Wikipedia, there have been 27 versions (including minor updates) of Android since 2.1.
I'm not aware of any Android version that was discovered to be unrootable.
I suspect you don't have to be too worried...
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I suspect you need to do more reading. Check up on what security features KitKat brought to our MotoXs.
Edit: I'm not so much worried about If you can root it, I'm worried about having it published. Jcase only rooted 4.4 because we were able to downgrade the bootloader. If that wasn't possible, I still don't think there would be root for the MotoX (non-dev).

natezire71 said:
Buy me one? I don't have that kind of money.
Furthermore, I have a Motomaker custom. I don't want to lose that.
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You simply sell your subsidized phone and buy a dev edition. Can't help you about the moto maker though.

natezire71 said:
I suspect you need to do more reading. Check up on what security features KitKat brought to our MotoXs.
Edit: I'm not so much worried about If you can root it, I'm worried about having it published. Jcase only rooted 4.4 because we were able to downgrade the bootloader. If that wasn't possible, I still don't think there would be root for the MotoX (non-dev).
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I suspect I've read plenty about KitKat. I know about the security features.
Jcase rooted 4.4 using the downgrade because an existing vulnerability was available. He explicitly stated that there was another vulnerability available and he just wasn't going to develop for it/reveal it. Vulnerabilities are always discovered.
What, you think Apple hasn't been trying to quash rooting for years now?
I'm just saying, I've been in IT for a long time. Exploits are discovered, workarounds are created. Root access is gained and life moves on.

binary visions said:
I suspect I've read plenty about KitKat. I know about the security features.
Jcase rooted 4.4 using the downgrade because an existing vulnerability was available. He explicitly stated that there was another vulnerability available and he just wasn't going to develop for it/reveal it. Vulnerabilities are always discovered.
What, you think Apple hasn't been trying to quash rooting for years now?
I'm just saying, I've been in IT for a long time. Exploits are discovered, workarounds are created. Root access is gained and life moves on.
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Of course, but what if it's never published? I'm not worried about the actual exploits. There will always be exploits. I'm only concerned with an awesome dev to publish it. Who else is working on the MotoX? So far, it seems like Hashcode and Jcase. If Jcase decides not to publish... Then what?

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Of course, but what if it's never published? I'm not worried about the actual exploits. There will always be exploits. I'm only concerned with an awesome dev to publish it. Who else is working on the MotoX? So far, it seems like Hashcode and Jcase. If Jcase decides not to publish... Then what?
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Well, there are never guarantees, of course... but given that virtually every version of Android on every phone attains root eventually, I'm just going to have some faith!

I think people may be putting too much faith in what devs can do based on what has been done.
4.4 has the potential to change things big time. dm-verity combined with a locked bootloader is going to be a beast to crack. Once a device ships from the factory with it enabled and a locked bootloader, I would not be expecting root on it anytime soon. Then you will have people asking why don't we just crack the key like they were when the GS3 came out. (answer: you will never ever crack the key. --Math)
As for using the idea that Apple has tried and never got it to stick, I'd say they haven't tried this hard.
Just as a sidenote, I don't think the SELinux and dm-verity additions in android are either bad or targeted at the modders out there. These are excellent steps in securing the OS, and shows that Google is serious about making devices trustworthy. The work they did on dm-verity is just great stuff. This is good for people who don't care about modifying their device and those who only buy devices with unlocked bootloaders, but not so good for people who have a locked bootloader, and are on either ATT or VZW, both of whom really don't want you to modify your device.
TL;DR - Buy a device with an unlocked bootloader, don't count on anything, past success is not indicative of future success.

I hope 4.4.1 brings an even better ART this time.

Seems like this update is pretty specific to the Nexus 5 as a camera fix. Not sure the Moto X will even see it.
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Seems like this update is pretty specific to the Nexus 5 as a camera fix. Not sure the Moto X will even see it.
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Won't really know until the 4.4.1 source is published. Could be a lot of other stuff on the back-end that was updated/fixed that wouldn't really show up in a major changelog.

Nexus 4 received the update today too so it isn't nexus 5 specific.

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Won't really know until the 4.4.1 source is published. Could be a lot of other stuff on the back-end that was updated/fixed that wouldn't really show up in a major changelog.
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Very true
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Not only the N4 but the Nexus 7 LTE. SO... probably more going on than just camera

Note 8 will be update to kitkat 4.4 by samsung

sammobile mentioned to that in the link http://www.sammobile.com/2014/02/06...7-0-note-8-0-and-others-to-get-kitkat-update/

Ohh gooood...I hope so...
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i hope so too

i remember reading that so called "document" when SAMSUNG was MARKETING for Galaxy Gear
but since then they have gone really quiet on that topic.
looking at my signature one could tell my love for sammy but the lack of support by Samsung towards their tab range
it wont be long before that love is lost completely:crying::crying:

panjaby said:
i remember reading that so called "document" when SAMSUNG was MARKETING for Galaxy Gear
but since then they have gone really quiet on that topic.
looking at my signature one could tell my love for sammy but the lack of support by Samsung towards their tab range
it wont be long before that love is lost completely:crying::crying:
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you're right ex: sam:galaxy note 10.1it will never be updated to 4.4.2 although it's a strong tab and now i turned to z1 from s4

OK that article is a great news! BUT the question is When....we haven't even received 4.3 yet!!!!

I would bet that the only way any of us are gonna see 4.4.2 is when it comes on the new Galaxy Note Pro 8.4 if that ever comes! They just announced the 8" Tab Pro but no word on the new 8" note.

titotito1983 said:
OK that article is a great news! BUT the question is When....we haven't even received 4.3 yet!!!!
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i think sam will jump to kitkat update but i don't know when i hope it will be as soon as possible

No rule says they need to update to 5.3 first. The HTC One skipped 4.2.x and went straight from 4.1 to 4.3. Well, some of them anyway.
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messi2050 said:
i think sam will jump to kitkat update but i don't know when i hope it will be as soon as possible
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titotito1983 said:
OK that article is a great news! BUT the question is When....we haven't even received 4.3 yet!!!!
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i hope you are right and they release it soon
but i strongly believe that article was a marketing strategy and samsung has got no such intentions because gear is old news now the models that were going to get the 4.3+ have already got it.
hope we dont get betrayed again.

panjaby said:
i hope you are right and they release it soon
but i strongly believe that article was a marketing strategy and samsung has got no such intentions because gear is old news now the models that were going to get the 4.3+ have already got it.
hope we dont get betrayed again.
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all we can do is to wait and see what will happen

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all we can do is to wait and see what will happen
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Yes, I believe they will eventually release KitKat for N5100/N5110 but not till July. And probably 4.5 will came until they release 4.4.

whitemolecule said:
Yes, I believe they will eventually release KitKat for N5100/N5110 but not till July. And probably 4.5 will came until they release 4.4.
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No. It actually going to be happen relatively sooner. As very good indication, Samsung will debut new Samsung S5 at MWC 2014, and possible annouce KitKat 4.4 updates for not-to-older devices as well. This is the only chance that Note 8 will get KitKat 4.4, remember that there's 18 months of software support for Android smartphones (Google’s 18 month mark), if it won't get 4.4 this time, it will never going to see 4.4 (officially at least)

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No. It actually going to be happen relatively sooner. As very good indication, Samsung will debut new Samsung S5 at MWC 2014, and possible annouce KitKat 4.4 updates for not-to-older devices as well. This is the only chance that Note 8 will get KitKat 4.4, remember that there's 18 months of software support for Android smartphones (Google’s 18 month mark), if it won't get 4.4 this time, it will never going to see 4.4 (officially at least)
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yes i think it will happen in april

I hope happens soon! but to be honest we dont even have 4.3.....do you think they will skip it and go straight for 4.4?

Well until all my 400 apps are updated to properly run 4.4, I'd rather wait it out. Nothing like app bugs on an android device. Doesn't any of you notice how much apps are being updated. Gosh, since X-mas there has been one update after another for compatibility issues with 4.4, or bugs because of backwards compatibility after the 4.4 fix. Common Google! Get your act together or MS will kicky your lilly white bahookie!

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I hope happens soon! but to be honest we dont even have 4.3.....do you think they will skip it and go straight for 4.4?
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Yes I believe they will, consider that there's not a lot of difference between 4.3 and 4.4, so it makes sense for Samsung to skip 4.3 for Note 8 and go straight to 4.4
of course, all these are guessing games, we never know for sure..

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I hope happens soon! but to be honest we dont even have 4.3.....do you think they will skip it and go straight for 4.4?
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yes i think that will happen

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Well until all my 400 apps are updated to properly run 4.4, I'd rather wait it out. Nothing like app bugs on an android device. Doesn't any of you notice how much apps are being updated. Gosh, since X-mas there has been one update after another for compatibility issues with 4.4, or bugs because of backwards compatibility after the 4.4 fix. Common Google! Get your act together or MS will kicky your lilly white bahookie!
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I've run several 4.4 ROMs on this device and have had zero app compatibility issues.
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It seems that you guys don't have much experience with samsung. I feel, from what I have seen from them over a few years that my prediction is....no kitkat 4.4 for the note 8 ever!

[Confirmed] Verizon Nexus 6 on March 12th with 5.1 - 5.1 for us too?

So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
Update: Its been confirmed that the Nexus 6 will drop on Verizon tomorrow and with 5.1 Lollipop. No word on a locked down BL though.
Google's Nexus 6 will finally reach Verizon on March 12th http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/11/google-nexus-6-for-verizon/ via Engadget Android
While the Nexus 6 has been confirmed to have 5.1, no word has been given about the DT being upgraded to 5.1 or any other version of Lollipop as of yet.

So according to what?

Sorry forgot to attach the link - OP updated

I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.

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I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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5.1 is already out for limited devices. We may get 5.1 after all said and done

True, we most likely get 5.1, I just don't think this update. Most likely the next update, which should be faster once we are on lollipop.

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So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.

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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...

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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.

sinclac said:
Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...

Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.

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Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Nothing in the works eh? So there have been NO updates then?
Oh and its been 4 months, but what's rounding it up by another two gonna hurt? It makes it more dramatic.
Everyone wants Lollipop, but doesn't care that it is less stable than Kitkat. Lollipop is just another ICS repeat. ICS didn't start becoming truly stable until 4.1, which Google for some reason deserved a name change. It took forever for devices to update to ICS, and by the time some did, Jellybean was out. Lollipop is a full point release, and major Android overhaul. This is not a 4.0 -> 4.1 -> 4.3 -> 4.4 transition. This is a 4.4 -> 5.0 transition and major parts of Adroid have been reworked. It isn't just a theme. It hasn't been a smooth launch. Verizon is strict with their testing, and we all know that. They are not going to let an OS less stable than its predecessor pass testing on one of their flagship devices. Despite what you want to believe, the Turbo is their specific flagship and they will want it to be the most stable.
Hey, I want Lollipop too. However, Im willing to take the instability with it. Verizon apparently is not after seeing how it fared on the X. The truth has always been out there, no matter how much people want to ignore it: If you want the ultimate network and stability, you got Verizon. If you want bleeding edge software on your devices, you go elsewhere.
So to be frank, anyone who bought the Turbo expecting blazing fast updates should blame their own misconceptions.

You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.

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You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.

adrynalyne said:
Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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By far most reliable for me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept of XLTE or how it ties in with VoLTE but since the DT had it's second VoLTE update I haven't dropped one call and with XLTE I'm on LTE 97% even underground here in Chicago. And I make a lot of calls everyday. We all want updates as soon as possible but as long as what we have works then I can wait.

Gundabolu SC said:
Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
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Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it

Jweimn said:
Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.

Chicken/Egg

sinclac said:
Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows

Jweimn said:
No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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Agreed, Verizon always seems to be the last to update.

One good reason not to take the Android 6.0 (M) OTA

Two Words: Root Access. It seems it may be harder to root Android M than we might have thought (Though we all expected this). So as a warning to those on 5.1 (whether you took the 5.1 OTA or waited for the 5.1 rooted img) and here is why:
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-at-marshmallow-root-verity-complications/
Given that a BL unlocked has not come out for the Droid Turbo on 4.4.4 or 5.1, this would possibly only make it harder to do so. I would suggest prolonging the OTA for as long as possible.
This is only a suggestion, however obviously you all are free to do as you please with your devices. Just wanted to give a fair warning. Though in this article it states that root might not be possible w/o BL unlock so moforoot might not even work because we can not modify our boot images.............yet (we hope). Again decision rest on your individual shoulders but I just thought, since Android M has been confirmed ( here ) for our devices, that we should at least be informed how this is going to affect our devices in the future (regarding root access and the probability of BL unlock mainly, of course). So it might not be wise to take the 6.0 update......at least not yet.
Let me know what you guys think.

We don't even have m yet....
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Yeah, we do. It's in my notifications now to update. Just wanna see what happens

Cjzi5i5 said:
Yeah, we do. It's in my notifications now to update. Just wanna see what happens
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That's not M. [emoji23]

Wynnded said:
That's not M. [emoji23]
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Lol don't crush his dreams.
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It's my understanding that what you posted may not really be that relevant.
For example, we can't root 5.1 for the Turbo. Unless of course you were already rooted on 4.4.4. Maybe rooting 6.0 is easier/possible if you're already rooted on 5.1. I've seen this same thing on other devices I've owned. If you take an update too early you can lock yourself out while people running the lower version have more options.

Flowah said:
It's my understanding that what you posted may not really be that relevant.
For example, we can't root 5.1 for the Turbo. Unless of course you were already rooted on 4.4.4. Maybe rooting 6.0 is easier/possible if you're already rooted on 5.1. I've seen this same thing on other devices I've owned. If you take an update too early you can lock yourself out while people running the lower version have more options.
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It clearly states that to root 6.0 that changes have to be made to the boot image which turbo users 4.4.4 or otherwise can't do. You're taking offensive to a warning post, not one meant to say it's impossible (provided BL unlock becomes available for the Droid Turbo). This is all based on Motorola's confirmation of the Droid Turbo getting 6.0 and how it could affect our devices future ability to obtain root.

Cjzi5i5 said:
Yeah, we do. It's in my notifications now to update. Just wanna see what happens
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dont worry dude.. if we get lucky we will see M by next September.

I took the 5.1 update. I'm comfortable with the fact that I'll never get root. The moment 6.0 is available, I'll update that too... knowing full well that root will never happen. Don't tell folks not to update. That's your opinion. You want to keep root, that's up to you. For those of us that it is too late, we don't care. And we'll openly take that 6.0 update... if and when it comes.

irish_711 said:
I took the 5.1 update. I'm comfortable with the fact that I'll never get root. The moment 6.0 is available, I'll update that too... knowing full well that root will never happen. Don't tell folks not to update. That's your opinion. You want to keep root, that's up to you. For those of us that it is too late, we don't care. And we'll openly take that 6.0 update... if and when it comes.
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I, much like you, took the OTA update and don't have root and would like to have it once again if possible. However I did state numerous times that this is an opinion, my opinion, and everyone is free to do as they please with their devices.

While I had root and an unlocked bootloader on my S3, I found that the need rarely arose for me to even have to elevate privileges. I mainly rooted and unlocked because while I loved its hardware specs, I *hate* TouchWiz. I specifically got this phone because it had a relatively vanilla version of Android on it, it has fairly decent specs, it's nowhere as large as the Nexus 6, and the store I was at, didn't have any X's in stock. I was more than aware that us getting an unlocked bootloader, much less root was pretty unlikely, and I was actually pretty comfortable with it, surprisingly enough.
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I read the article in the OP, and I don't think we have much to worry about. It seems like verity relies pretty heavily on SELinux being set to enforcing, and we already have to set it to permissive in order to get our mofo'd roms to work properly. Does this reduce the security of our devices? Of course it does, but if you really cared about device security, you wouldn't be trying to get root access to your device in the first place. When there is an epidemic of peoples' identities/accounts/money/etc. being stolen via remote attacks, that's when I'll start to care about things like that. Even Stagefright, which is extremely well-documented and unpatched on most Android phones in circulation, doesn't have a single example of a real-world attack being executed using it (as far as I know).
Root access allows me to use things like Cerberus to help combat the much more probable event of someone with physical access to my phone getting into it, so when it comes to security, I'll take less security-by-design and more security that I can choose to implement.