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http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/software/phones/xperia-sp/
Latest & final version
Android 4.3 (Jelly Bean)
2014-02
In short:
Expected software support: 1~2 years
Real software support: 3 months (SP release - april 2013, AOSP 4.3 release - july 2013)
News about EOL of SP was for quite some time. software support was for more than a year.
&final version means that the update will not come in future?
northever said:
&final version means that the update will not come in future?
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yes. EOL - end of life, no more official software support.
le grande magnetto said:
yes. EOL - end of life, no more official software support.
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Thats sad, becouse I bought this phone few days ago
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Thats sad, becouse I bought this phone few days ago
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Don't worry. I am going to use this phone for years anyways. Maybe until this very beloved Xperia SP forum, turned into a very quiet place. At least there are many things left for us to use on our phones, like Custom ROMs being actively developed, and maybe if you want to get all nostalgic you can use some old kernel and old stock-based ROMs and something like that. As much as I am sad to see this device unable to get Sony's attention, at least we still have some people who still contribute to it, namely those developers who worked hard to create custom ROM for our XSP. One of them even managed to try to boot L (lollipop) for Xperia SP once the source code has been released. Above all, try to be happy
It would be great if someone could pinpoint me to where I could learn on how to port ROMs and such. Because I am really serious about using this phone for years, due to my current age status that obviously will require funds to buy a new phone.
TechnoSparks said:
Don't worry. I am going to use this phone for years anyways. Maybe until this very beloved Xperia SP forum, turned into a very quiet place. At least there are many things left for us to use on our phones, like Custom ROMs being actively developed, and maybe if you want to get all nostalgic you can use some old kernel and old stock-based ROMs and something like that. As much as I am sad to see this device unable to get Sony's attention, at least we still have some people who still contribute to it, namely those developers who worked hard to create custom ROM for our XSP. One of them even managed to try to boot L (lollipop) for Xperia SP once the source code has been released. Above all, try to be happy
It would be great if someone could pinpoint me to where I could learn on how to port ROMs and such. Because I am really serious about using this phone for years, due to my current age status that obviously will require funds to buy a new phone.
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Thank you for wide info, You give me hope with this post
I didnt root still this phone, SO i have many to learn...
Now im searching how to disable programs Like facebook with starts automaticaly when u stop or some other programs, I m thinking that they consumes battery while im not using them. Have you some advice? or have experience about it?
IM now on stock version 4.3 205 version and dont know wich update must I instal on rooted phone....
damn, I have so many questions.... xD
northever said:
Thank you for wide info, You give me hope with this post
I didnt root still this phone, SO i have many to learn...
Now im searching how to disable programs Like facebook with starts automaticaly when u stop or some other programs, I m thinking that they consumes battery while im not using them. Have you some advice? or have experience about it?
IM now on stock version 4.3 205 version and dont know wich update must I instal on rooted phone....
damn, I have so many questions.... xD
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You don't need to be too dependant to companies. They will abandon us sometime and somehow. That's why there are developers. Our phones will live as long as it could until no one really cares about it no more but lets just hope that never happens.
For the tool that you want, it is Greenify. It hibernates the app you selected to save both battery and RAM. Unbouncing some wakelocks is a good practise too. If you wish I will elaborate more on this.
There are a lot man. I mean it, there are a lot of them Let's get interesting.......... Serajr Blurred System UI Xposed Module. That thing will make your notification slider transparent and blurred!
Why ppl make threads like this?
there was a thread with all info and was closed after EOL was announced... close this old news pl0x
TechnoSparks
I used now greenfy, its good, it hibernate apps but I can hibernate facebook, and some other programs, maybe becouse that its sytem proceses, and not instaled ones... hm
Can u give me that wakerlock that hibarnate this damn facebook too xD
Thank for this Rom, I marked it, so I will try after I root my phone
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TechnoSparks
I used now greenfy, its good, it hibernate apps but I can hibernate facebook, and some other programs, maybe becouse that its sytem proceses, and not instaled ones... hm
Can u give me that wakerlock that hibarnate this damn facebook too xD
Thank for this Rom, I marked it, so I will try after I root my phone
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Actually you can benefit more from Greenify by purchasing its donation package. As you can see, Greenifying app disables GCM push (no more notifications) and doesn't really allow notification persistence. Experience with Greenify become greater of each level of "method". Greenify has 3 methods of hibernating, one for non-root, second for root, and third low-level system execution, through Xposed.
What is exposed?
Xposed is a great framework that runs within Android itself. The great functionality of this is modules (apps that serves purposes but runs on xposed framework) run without having processes thus saving your battery unlike persistent background processes
So combining the donation package with Xposed will yield extreme result but will still allow you to have push notifications come in, notifications that stay in the notification slider and many more great system level features.
If you are rooted, and don't want to buy a donation package, it is okay, but you'll require to move Facebook as a user app. From there you can finally hibernate it.
Wakelock "unbouncing" is not hibernating an app or something. You see, wakelock is an event where your device's CPU wakes up in the midst of deep sleep. Excessive wakelocks can cause battery draining issues. "Unbouncing" a wakelock and alarm is a good way to lessen the battery draining. "Unbounce" simply means altering the wakelock timer to any specific time that you've set. Use the application Unbounce to unbounce Google's battery draining wakelocks for free. If you want to unbounce some other safe wakelocks, you will require to purchase the donation.
If you wish to install a custom ROM I have made a guide (that does not attract attention though sigh) for very starters like you. Just head over here.
Since previous thread about updates is locked, I would like to use this one to point out that Android 5.0 "Lollipop" is officially released and here's a compiled and officially confirmed (by the companies) list of the phones which will get the 5.0 update so far. You can check the specifications of the devices on the list and draw the conclusion yourselves as to why our Xperia SP didn't get at least KitKat-based firmware update and who or what is responsible. Thank you.
http://www.gsmarena.com/all_the_android_phones_getting_50_lollipop_update_so_far-news-9980.php
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Nexus 4
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Nexus 7 (2012)
Nexus 7 (2013)
Nexus 10
HTC One (M7)
HTC One (M8)
Samsung Galaxy S4
Moto G
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Spice Dream UNO
Karbonn Sparkle V
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Moto X
Moto X 2nd Gen.
Moto G
Moto G 4G LTE
Moto G 2nd Gen.
Moto E
Droid Ultra
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Xperia Z
Xperia ZL
Xperia ZR
Xperia Z1
Xperia Z1s
Xperia Z Ultra
Xperia Z1 Compact
Xperia Z2
Xperia Z2 Tablet
Xperia Z3
Xperia Z3v
Xperia Z3 Compact
Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact
HTC
One (M7)
One (M8)
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Let's be honest to ourselves here guys, out beloved Moto X Style was officially released in September which means this phone has now been out for at least 3 months and while all the effort that has since been put in this devices by key developers and people from day 1 up till now is very much appreciated and will continue to be appreciated, the development of this device compared to most flagships has been slow motion.
I am just trying to understand what the hell went wrong with this phone that made it end up with such super slow motion development, as when I originally bought the device I was thinking this phone would be at least in the top 20 most active phones on XDA development wise.
It had so much going for it, easy root, easy unlockable bootloader, a pretty much almost complete stock version of android, kernel sources released and motorolas good track record of updating their flagship phones in a timely manner and good hardware to accompany the great bloatware free stock software and a cheap price compared to some other flagships from other companies such as Samsung and Sony
With all this in mind I thought developers would flock to this device and we would have a massive development forum with loads of options between custom roms, mods, themes and other tweaks etc
But this is far from the case and I know the Nexus 6P being released probably had something to do with it, Still this should have been at least in top 20
At first I thought when Android 6.0 MM will be released development will increase then we needed the kernel sources as that was apparently not enough, then we had kernel sources but apart from 1 or 2 roms showing up being in alpha stages nothings changed too much.
This is such a disappointment to say the least.
If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
When i had the one plus one there were so many roms that was a brain storm... I prefer some and reliable roms than a plethora where you get confused!!!
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
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IMO you hit the nail on the head. I love this phone. I had the MXPE 2014 as well, was not a fan. Also owned the original, Loved it.
This MXPE has been great in imo, the lack of development has not been disappointing to me. The stock rom is really pretty good, there are minor tweaks that can be done but most can do these on their own.
I used to be a flash-aholic, but like @GretaLewd has stated...custom roms tend to break things. I'm more in favor of kernel development. But how many different kernels can you have? One way or another they'll be the same.
I also own a Nexus 6P, but my MXPE is my go to device.
I see users complaining about this phone constantly, I really don't think it matters what phone you put in the hands of those users...they would still find fault and complain.
Motorola and Lenovo did good by this device, I just hope they keep up with incrementals for a while.
Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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Good thread. Would love to hear more thoughts
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Ordered the device today. Hope slow development doesn't disappoint me on this device, as others have stated...
I have been using this device for 2 months now. I am happy with it an didn't face a single issue. I can do a little bit tweaking myself using Xposed.
So far the slow development doesn't bother me.
Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
chrisund123 said:
Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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That's a good way to approach Android phones I suppose but I believe
it's still nice to buy a phone that's great out of the box and good development wise, usually flagships tend to have good development and then the mid range and low end phones tend to get smaller developments but I guess there's an exception to everything.
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Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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I doubt that's the reason since 64 Bit has been the standard since Lollipop and pretty much all the flagships have a 64bit cpu since the beggining of 2015 but that doesn't stop other development forums from flourishing.
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
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Thank you for your break down on your thoughts of the subject and I must admit you've mention some very valid points here especially Point 1,2 and 5 but I think out of all of these its Point 1 and 2 that are the most significant, I suppose Motorola have a really small market share explains the lack of adoption between developers when comparing to some of the more prominent manufacturers such as samsung.
and The Android Stock OS has improved significantly within the past couple of years adding some new features that previously people had to root their phones to acomplish such as full app permission controls and backing up app data which google does for you now.
You need to follow development before buying a device these days. i.e. always wait at least 1-2 months. If you follow the development forums you would get an idea if developers are interested in said device or not. I for one, bought it right after I found out that AICP (CM12) rom was being developed. I was interested in running CM13 instead of other AOSP variations. And before I got the device the first (almost daily driver) builds were already uploaded.
Once cm is solid quite a few roms will pop up. Won't be long now.
Official MM has only been out for our phone for a little over a month. give it some time it may pick up. either way it's still an awesome phone out the box... and as stated above, once CM13 is stable im sure we'll see some of the other custom ROMs that are based off it.
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2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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This is a great point, but I'd like to add that this is especially applicable to our MXPE. We're really close to stock as it is, so there's little motivation to go ROM to debloat like there is on Samsung, LG, and similar phones. On the flip side, we have a lot of really neat features (active display, approach, accelerator gestures, voice controls) that we would lose if we went ROM.
For me, these two points combine, leaving me with little motivation to ROM my phone, especially since I can could get most of the advantages of CyanogenMod with something like GravityBox, which will allow me to keep the Motorola features (I'm currently unrooted because of the warranty, but I'll be rooted in the future for sure) . Of course, these are my own personal opinions, but I suspect that they reflect at least some of the mindset of this community.
I agree with others, that custom roms are often more trouble than they're worth. The only reason to use them these days is if your device isn't going to be updated to the latest version of Android.
Ever since moto introduced 99% stock android + moto display, roms have been entirely unnecessary for me. I used to rom my phones to gain greater flexibility + customizability. Now that I have stock android + Xposed, I doubt I will ever flash another custom rom again.
I'm still waiting for custom super roms that will make this device best in the market. Why can we have a rom with 1080p display, tweak kernel with better control for heating issue for overall battery life and speed?
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The biggest issue is that developers don't support devices they don't own. With the launch of the nexus 6 (not the 6p) most developers got it and had no need to update to a y newer devices.
Also to the comment that all flag ships are 64 bit this is not the case. If you look the most popular devices as far as developers are concerned are non 64 bit.
Also as android matures you will see less and less roms. As it will be come harder. There are very few real development teams. Most are just kitchen sink roms. A base with tons of cherry picks and a new name. Nothing even worth looking at twice. But more developers are closing up the source of their projects because of these types of roms.
To be honest most users have no point in flashing roms. Only those that like the development side of it will continue to mod roms and flash things.
As title says.
i left my old Samsung S3 for a Sony Z3 mainly for the "promise" of more AOSP-like roms, because Sony thinks is "developer / community friendly".
Though my Z3 is rock stable with the latest official software, i find the lack of AOSP-CM love very disturbing: i really thought that "developer friendly" equals "more and better AOSP-CM for all".
that's not true.
Maybe because there are no people working on that device? (i konw that's close to a hobby, the whole AOSP-CM thing)
Maybe sony simply has better stock software (thus, no needs of further development)?
The only AOSP roms available at the moment are very buggy and looks like not actively developed; nonetheless that rom's thread is almost dead, with no evidence of active development.
The need of unlock the bootloader (and losing DRM, i have a backup), waste at least 45-60 minutes to setup a non-sony, bug filled rom is a nonsense.
I tried CyanogenMod (both standard and sabermod) and i only got to rollback to stock software, because of various and very annoying bugs (eg, auto-brightness, camera..).
the very last attempt ended with a screen damage (overheat) that forced me to a warranty-RMAconclusion (at least for me):
too complex and time-wasting to obtain root
lack of both quality/quantity of CM/AOSP roms (despite sony is "developer friendly")
lack of interest on this (Z3 D6603) device?
i'm not a developer... so i only speak for the (final) user side.
please tell me if i'm wrong.
Dont believe always all promises and its also the lag of people to have patients, far to find by some.
Agreed
I believe that they will be friendly after you unlock your phone's bootloader and void the precious warranty along with some of proprietary functions. It's like you have to sell your soul and a kidney to have that extra power (but you can get it back if you backed up your DRM keys thingy)
I am also understand that they have to protect their stuffs but let you have access to root and fastboot at the same time.
When I first unlocked the BL. The thing I missed a little bit is Bionz thingy but then I just gave up and bought a their mirrorless camera. Problem fixed but costs 4x price but enjoy manual mode and (most likely) actual G lenses!
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[*]lack of interest on this (Z3 D6603) device?
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It's rare to see a Sony's ads in my country like 3% compared to 70% of Samsung's. Some of my friends looked at my phone and they have no idea that Sony phones existed. I'm like OMG guys...
The phone is good. I have a black one. 3GB of RAM, insane battery life, 8MP 21MP camera with their (so called) G Lens, super stylish Omni-Balance design and frontal dual speakers.
I'm actually really love this phone.
Oh and I would like to see when the single SIM models shares the same rom with dual SIM models. I first bought a really good dual SIM model without a clue and then instantly traded with single SIM one because that time I really want to try Existenz ROM (no cellular function). LOL at myself.
Ps. I also have that goddamn slightly yellow-ish stuff on my navbar (so I can't use tinted navbar because it was the most annoying thing ever.) with two brighter-than-the-rest (idk if that is called bright pixel or what) area. Not a big deal though.
Ps.2 This thing is like a toaster when flashing-backing up-restoring in recovery.
Sorry for a long reply. This is just my thought without being sarcastic except the first line. X D
I guess most of what the OP said was kind of true. However as I moved from my pretty heavily modified Nexus 5 to the Z3, I've seen no interest in rooting the device or adding functionality because the Z3 is good enough IMO. The screen is just how I want it, unlike my N5's extremely warm/orange display and the battery is amazing compared to the N5. For me the work to get root isn't worth it anymore (plus I need mobile banking) ?
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There are a good 6 or 7 great roms for Xperia z3 without unlocking your bootloader. Like Pandemics, Wolfbreaks, niaboc79. Take a look at the threads. I'm stuck with a z3 where I cant unlock bootloader, which pisses me off, so I'm grateful to these devs that produce such great roms for our z3. These devs are also on the ball. They respond to your stupid questions and politely help you.
I do wish that all sony phones were bootloader unlockable, but I guess the carrier plays some part too.
And then there is their concept MM combined with DRM restore, root, xposed and Gravitybox
And now that a root has been found for mm, both Ub and lb, there will be lots more development for the Z3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3337357
smala said:
As title says.
i left my old Samsung S3 for a Sony Z3 mainly for the "promise" of more AOSP-like roms, because Sony thinks is "developer / community friendly".
Though my Z3 is rock stable with the latest official software, i find the lack of AOSP-CM love very disturbing: i really thought that "developer friendly" equals "more and better AOSP-CM for all".
that's not true.
Maybe because there are no people working on that device? (i konw that's close to a hobby, the whole AOSP-CM thing)
Maybe sony simply has better stock software (thus, no needs of further development)?
The only AOSP roms available at the moment are very buggy and looks like not actively developed; nonetheless that rom's thread is almost dead, with no evidence of active development.
The need of unlock the bootloader (and losing DRM, i have a backup), waste at least 45-60 minutes to setup a non-sony, bug filled rom is a nonsense.
I tried CyanogenMod (both standard and sabermod) and i only got to rollback to stock software, because of various and very annoying bugs (eg, auto-brightness, camera..).
the very last attempt ended with a screen damage (overheat) that forced me to a warranty-RMAconclusion (at least for me):
too complex and time-wasting to obtain root
lack of both quality/quantity of CM/AOSP roms (despite sony is "developer friendly")
lack of interest on this (Z3 D6603) device?
i'm not a developer... so i only speak for the (final) user side.
please tell me if i'm wrong.
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go check out the other sections they suck the Sony forum is one of the best for sure.
smala said:
As title says.
i left my old Samsung S3 for a Sony Z3 mainly for the "promise" of more AOSP-like roms, because Sony thinks is "developer / community friendly".
Though my Z3 is rock stable with the latest official software, i find the lack of AOSP-CM love very disturbing: i really thought that "developer friendly" equals "more and better AOSP-CM for all".
that's not true.
Maybe because there are no people working on that device? (i konw that's close to a hobby, the whole AOSP-CM thing)
Maybe sony simply has better stock software (thus, no needs of further development)?
The only AOSP roms available at the moment are very buggy and looks like not actively developed; nonetheless that rom's thread is almost dead, with no evidence of active development.
The need of unlock the bootloader (and losing DRM, i have a backup), waste at least 45-60 minutes to setup a non-sony, bug filled rom is a nonsense.
I tried CyanogenMod (both standard and sabermod) and i only got to rollback to stock software, because of various and very annoying bugs (eg, auto-brightness, camera..).
the very last attempt ended with a screen damage (overheat) that forced me to a warranty-RMAconclusion (at least for me):
too complex and time-wasting to obtain root
lack of both quality/quantity of CM/AOSP roms (despite sony is "developer friendly")
lack of interest on this (Z3 D6603) device?
i'm not a developer... so i only speak for the (final) user side.
please tell me if i'm wrong.
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There simply aren't alot of developers left developing on the z3. It is an aging device and most dev's move onto newer phones rather quickly. There are lots of good rom options for the z3 to keep you occupied. But if you were looking for more active development, I think you should have bought a z5 or held out for a zx.
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I came across several Devices like Samsung S2/3/4/5, Note 2/3/4, Sony Xperia S/Z/1/2/3, LG G2/4x, Nexus 4/7 and some more I think but the variety of Development is really one of the smallest here in Z3.
Actually I'm stuck at the Z3(no money) and got used to it but, except the Battery, it isn't that Killer I expected from it.
Well no, I don't need a Tissue
Downloaded the Slim Stock Sony from here, actually it is Version 5 with some really nice new Features (Launcher/Icons..) + Xposed + Gravity Box and I am happy.
Back in the the Samsung S2 days, many people were complaining about Samsungs politic about their Exynos Chips and Developers had hard times with it but now, just have a look at S3/S3 LTE Forums, always up-to-date.
I don't understand why there is no official Cyanogenmod 13 for the Z3, even the CM 12.1 is just nightly but unfortunately I lost touch to all this back in the S4 Active days so I have to wait for what will come.
On the other side, the Z3 is a stabile daily Device with no bigger Problems so it could be worse. And Android 6 is coming, sooner or later
BTW, my wife's Z5 (Telekom Germany) didn't get MM, yet.
Greetings,
Thomas
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I came across several Devices like Samsung S2/3/4/5, Note 2/3/4, Sony Xperia S/Z/1/2/3, LG G2/4x, Nexus 4/7 and some more I think but the variety of Development is really one of the smallest here in Z3.
Actually I'm stuck at the Z3(no money) and got used to it but, except the Battery, it isn't that Killer I expected from it.
Well no, I don't need a Tissue
Downloaded the Slim Stock Sony from here, actually it is Version 5 with some really nice new Features (Launcher/Icons..) + Xposed + Gravity Box and I am happy.
Back in the the Samsung S2 days, many people were complaining about Samsungs politic about their Exynos Chips and Developers had hard times with it but now, just have a look at S3/S3 LTE Forums, always up-to-date.
I don't understand why there is no official Cyanogenmod 13 for the Z3, even the CM 12.1 is just nightly but unfortunately I lost touch to all this back in the S4 Active days so I have to wait for what will come.
On the other side, the Z3 is a stabile daily Device with no bigger Problems so it could be worse. And Android 6 is coming, sooner or later
BTW, my wife's Z5 (Telekom Germany) didn't get MM, yet.
Greetings,
Thomas
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No official CM due to, mainly, the camera bug.
They can't release a snapshot version with such a big issue.
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I agree. This is why I personally will try out Samsung. Specifically the Galaxy S7 Edge. I always see Samsung devices getting a lot of attention from 3rd party developers. They always get fully working custom roms and such. I've been stuck to Sony for a really long time (ever since the Xperia X10 Mini Pro) and I'm tired to see all the devices I use to be quickly abandoned. The lack of development is seriously pissing me off (I'm not blaming anyone).
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I agree. This is why I personally will try out Samsung. Specifically the Galaxy S7 Edge. I always see Samsung devices getting a lot of attention from 3rd party developers. They always get fully working custom roms and such. I've been stuck to Sony for a really long time (ever since the Xperia X10 Mini Pro) and I'm tired to see all the devices I use to be quickly abandoned. The lack of development is seriously pissing me off (I'm not blaming anyone).
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The only thing why I really HATE Sony is that Bootloader Unlocking thing. I've got a Nexus 4 - unlocking the BL was super-easy and I'm using a custom rom till now.
Next phone was a Moto G - there was a bug which prevented me from unlocking (and rooting) it. But I posted on Motorola's forums and somebody from them helped me and gave me a testing bootloader - also unlocked and custom ROM till now.
But on Z3 I risk loosing DRM keys, good camera, video recording (!?) and YouTube playback - a REAL dealbreaker!
The "missing" development is not such a big thing for me, as the stock ROM is a really good base to work with - so far, I didn't miss that part at all.
But what I miss because of the locked bootloader is to have a recovery in recovery partition which is (more or less) guaranteed to work even when phone is totally messed up. Without unlocking, just to restore a twrp backup, I need to flash stock, root it, install XZDR and restore it - which takes at least 30minutes.
But for daily use, also with root, I'm satisfied with my Z3 with Stock + XZDR + SoundMod + Xposed.
Hello dear developers,
I think some of you know, that the XZ3 is in the Android preview program for Nougat. https://developer.sony.com/develop/smartphones-and-tablets/android-n-developer-preview/
As far as I can see in wikipedia the hardware of Z1 and Z3 are very similar. The Z3 is the last of the Z series with very similar hardware.
Because there are so many Xperia devices, the community of developers is very thinned out. There is not even one MarshMallow release which is running without problems until now and Google is already short before releasing Nougat.
Sadlly I am no developer on my own. I already fail at creating the necessary Linux environment. But there are many great developers and skilled people here on the forum. Wouldn't it be a great idea that you bundle your skills, skip the MM release and create the maybe last ROM update for our beloved XZ1? A release of stock based N.
It is just an idea, but it would be great if some of you would capture the idea :fingers-crossed:
wrong forum, xperia z1 won't have a stable MM ROM........................
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Hello dear developers,
I think some of you know, that the XZ3 is in the Android preview program for Nougat. https://developer.sony.com/develop/smartphones-and-tablets/android-n-developer-preview/
As far as I can see in wikipedia the hardware of Z1 and Z3 are very similar. The Z3 is the last of the Z series with very similar hardware.
Because there are so many Xperia devices, the community of developers is very thinned out. There is not even one MarshMallow release which is running without problems until now and Google is already short before releasing Nougat.
Sadlly I am no developer on my own. I already fail at creating the necessary Linux environment. But there are many great developers and skilled people here on the forum. Wouldn't it be a great idea that you bundle your skills, jump over the MM release and create the maybe last ROM update for our beloved XZ1? A release of N.
It is just an idea, but it would be great if some of you would capture the idea :fingers-crossed:
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None of Xperias will have stable custom roms above LP 5.1.1, because everyone has switched to AOSP trees. Sony blobs are protected by DRM, so, they won't work with camera wrappers and Sony's blobs for AOSP have always and will continue to be crap. Sony doesn't want you to have custom roms. So, think of developer friendlier manufacturers. This crap about Sony being friendly to open source is just that. Their open source developers are just PR people. Sony AOSP has never had a stable rom: not for JB, not for Kitkat and not for LP...
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None of Xperias will have stable custom roms above LP 5.1.1, because everyone has switched to AOSP trees. Sony blobs are protected by DRM, so, they won't work with camera wrappers and Sony's blobs for AOSP have always and will continue to be crap. Sony doesn't want you to have custom roms. So, think of developer friendlier manufacturers. This crap about Sony being friendly to open source is just that. Their open source developers are just PR people. Sony AOSP has never had a stable rom: not for JB, not for Kitkat and not for LP...
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I've wondered for a long time now: you talk crap about Sony's software, complain about their blobs being 'crap', and claim Sony isn't friendly to OSS, yet you continue to develop and deploy custom ROMs for the Z1. If it's such a hurdle to develop, why not move to a developer friendly platform/device like the Nexus 6P? I appreciate your work for the Z1, but I think you're beating the dead horse at this point.
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I've wondered for a long time now: you talk crap about Sony's software, complain about their blobs being 'crap', and claim Sony isn't friendly to OSS, yet you continue to develop and deploy custom ROMs for the Z1. If it's such a hurdle to develop, why not move to a developer friendly platform/device like the Nexus 6P? I appreciate your work, but I think you're beating the dead horse at this point.
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LP 5.1 is pretty good. It is better than stock. Today I replaced the rear camera module (the old one stopped focusing) and camera is superb. No bugs in LP.
I may move to Nexus, but the phone I buy has to be metal or glass, plus Z1 has enough life ahead of it. I don't care about M or N. From my point of view, Google changes SDK, so that prior features won't work, and in exchange gives us a few different icons and slightly different interface.
Security updates are coming and lp will be supported for a long while. Normal users don't care about versions either. They want a stable device and they get it in LP...
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I may move to Nexus, but the phone I buy has to be metal or glass, plus Z1 has enough life ahead of it.
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The OnePlus 3 is the next best developer-friendly platform after the Nexus devices. Warranty doesn't go bad if you root or unlock bootloader. It even got CM 13 before launch! It also happens to have a metal back, 16MP shooter with OIS, and everybody's favorite 'Dark Mode'. I don't mean to advertise, but for $399, I'd say that's a great bargain. Don't get me wrong, the Z1 still works beautifully when all is OK, but it's really starting to show it's age: your device's rear camera module stopped focusing until you replaced it, several user's battery in the Z1 (not just on XDA) is going bad, and my Z1's touch digitizer has issues on tap (probably from abuse, but people reported self-cracking screens with their touchscreens completely broken). Not too many people want to go through the trouble of sending it in (to China?!) or fixing it themselves.
I don't care about M or N. From my point of view, Google changes SDK, so that prior features won't work, and in exchange gives us a few different icons and slightly different interface.
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Um, what? According to many tech sources, that's the highlight issue with Android: fragmentation. If you wanted to know Android's biggest problem, this is it. In fact, people (including some casuals) blast Android because of this. Maybe you don't care about Android versions, but if you stick with LP or an older platform, you're contributing to the problem.
Security updates are coming and lp will be supported for a long while. They want a stable device and they get it in LP...
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As you can probably tell, I've already switched to a different device: a OnePlus 3. Oxygen OS 3.1.3 (6.0.1 Marshmallow), from experience, is quite stable and is developed by the team behind Paranoid Android. Sure, LP's code is more stable because it's been out longer and has more revisions, but it really depends of how you interpret the term (because I've experienced no crashes or FCs so far on MM). I'm fine if you continue holding the torch for Z1's AOSP/CM ROM community and keep LP more secure/stable for them, but I find it a bit redundant as most users have already moved away from this device and transitioned to MM (and even N DP4).
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The OnePlus 3 is the next best developer-friendly platform after the Nexus devices. Warranty doesn't go bad if you root or unlock bootloader. It even got CM 13 before launch! It also happens to have a metal back, 16MP shooter with OIS, and everybody's favorite 'Dark Mode'. I don't mean to advertise, but for $399, I'd say that's a great bargain. Don't get me wrong, the Z1 still works beautifully when all is OK, but it's really starting to show it's age: your device's rear camera module stopped focusing until you replaced it, several user's battery in the Z1 (not just on XDA) is going bad, and my Z1's touch digitizer has issues on tap (probably from abuse, but people reported self-cracking screens with their touchscreens completely broken). Not too many people want to go through the trouble of sending it in (to China?!) or fixing it themselves.
Um, what? According to many tech sources, that's the highlight issue with Android: fragmentation. If you wanted to know Android's biggest problem, this is it. In fact, people (including some casuals) blast Android because of this. Maybe you don't care about Android versions, but if you stick with LP or an older platform, you're contributing to the problem.
As you can probably tell, I've already switched to a different device: a OnePlus 3. Oxygen OS 3.1.3 (6.0.1 Marshmallow), from experience, is quite stable and is developed by the team behind Paranoid Android. Sure, LP's code is more stable because it's been out longer and has more revisions, but it really depends of how you interpret the term (because I've experienced no crashes or FCs so far on MM). I'm fine if you continue holding the torch for Z1's AOSP/CM ROM community and keep LP more secure/stable for them, but I find it a bit redundant as most users have already moved away from this device and transitioned to MM (and even N DP4).
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Fragmentation has nothing to do with Android versions. Neither Android version has done anything to reduce fragmentation as compared to the previous one. It is the fact that there are hundreds of different devices with varieties of hardware. However, different hardware does not create fragmentation. Unlike Apple, Windows and Linux work on many devices. The problem for Android is that manufacturers don't want to provide hardware addresses (to make open source drivers) or blobs to work with hardware. The question is: why manufacturers provide the necessary info for Windows and Linux, but refuse the same with Android and mobile devices. And I am yet to hear an answer to this...
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None of Xperias will have stable custom roms above LP 5.1.1, because everyone has switched to AOSP trees. Sony blobs are protected by DRM, so, they won't work with camera wrappers and Sony's blobs for AOSP have always and will continue to be crap. Sony doesn't want you to have custom roms. So, think of developer friendlier manufacturers. This crap about Sony being friendly to open source is just that. Their open source developers are just PR people. Sony AOSP has never had a stable rom: not for JB, not for Kitkat and not for LP...
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Actually, they have been doing a lot of work and are very friendly about AOSP. MM already has a working camera if you use 1.2.2 kernel. The only issue there is zoom focus and application restarts when switching between front and back camera, but apart from that everything works well. Sony is being very developer friendly and you can't take that away from them.
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Actually, they have been doing a lot of work and are very friendly about AOSP. MM already has a working camera if you use 1.2.2 kernel. The only issue there is zoom focus and application restarts when switching between front and back camera, but apart from that everything works well. Sony is being very developer friendly and you can't take that away from them.
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Would you have any test build that could be tried out? I'd love to test it out...
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Actually, they have been doing a lot of work and are very friendly about AOSP. MM already has a working camera if you use 1.2.2 kernel. The only issue there is zoom focus and application restarts when switching between front and back camera, but apart from that everything works well. Sony is being very developer friendly and you can't take that away from them.
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Doing "a lot of work" and having stable releases, which they have never had on any android version, are 2 different things. Aren't they? Camera aside, how about random reboots, blank screen issues, failure to wake up, battery drain, slow charging, overheating: what more do you need? And by the way, you think camera focus is the only issue? I bet a lot of users would disagree.
We are almost in August. Last year this time LP 5.1.1 was pretty stable. No chance for MM and N is already here...
Edit: My opinions about MM and Sony shouldn't be taken as criticism of Sony open source developers (who work their butts off) or any other devs (myself included) who contribute to the code, but rather Sony Corporation itself. Sony doesn't want you to have custom roms.
If I am to blame community developers, then it would be for abandoning stable releases like LP 5.1.1 in favor of undercooked new ones like MM. That's double stupidity, because in addition to starting from ZERO, they are following (instead of leading) teenage users who would rather have a slightly changed "cool" user interface, as opposed to a rock solid stable release...
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Doing "a lot of work" and having stable releases, which they have never had on any android version, are 2 different things. Aren't they? Camera aside, how about random reboots, blank screen issues, failure to wake up, battery drain, slow charging, overheating: what more do you need? And by the way, you think camera focus is the only issue? I bet a lot of users would disagree.
We are almost in August. Last year this time LP 5.1.1 was pretty stable. No chance for MM and N is already here...
Edit: My opinions about MM and Sony shouldn't be taken as criticism of Sony open source developers (who work their butts off) or any other devs (myself included) who contribute to the code, but rather Sony Corporation itself. Sony doesn't want you to have custom roms.
If I am to blame community developers, then it would be for abandoning stable releases like LP 5.1.1 in favor of undercooked new ones like MM. That's double stupidity, because in addition to starting from ZERO, they are following (instead of leading) teenage users who would rather have a slightly changed "cool" user interface, as opposed to a rock solid stable release...
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but, like you said, lollipop are stable, why still develop for it?
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but, like you said, lollipop are stable, why still develop for it?
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Because stable and maintained are different things. Stable becomes outdated if not further developed. For example, all abandoned LPs are now outdated and shouldn't be used...
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Because stable and maintained are different things. Stable becomes outdated if not further developed. For example, all abandoned LPs are now outdated and shouldn't be used...
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Then why xperia M is really awesome, they have a official cm13 nightly still updte every day, n now they're will building for awaken the Nougat, already tested n booted with Alpha release now,
it all by they devs is superior or factor xperia M devices are supported?
Will realy glad if Honami can like them..
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Then why xperia M is really awesome, they have a official cm13 nightly still updte every day, n now they're will building for awaken the Nougat, already tested n booted with Alpha release now,
it all by they devs is superior or factor xperia M devices are supported?
Will realy glad if Honami can like them..
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Because they are probably using 3.4 kernel together with older camera blobs. In case of honami, they have decided to move to 3.10 kernel and the newer good blobs are drm protected. And they are waiting for Sony aosp to improve 3.10 blobs, which should happen in the next 50-100 years. Because of this, CM is not working on honami. That's why there is not even one nightly MM for Z1. And since other "big" guys can only cut and paste from CM, there is nothing for Z1.
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Because they are probably using 3.4 kernel together with older camera blobs. In case of honami, they have decided to move to 3.10 kernel and the newer good blobs are drm protected. And they are waiting for Sony aosp to improve 3.10 blobs, which should happen in the next 50-100 years. Because of this, CM is not working on honami. That's why there is not even one nightly MM for Z1. And since other "big" guys can only cut and paste from CM, there is nothing for Z1.
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Sorry for this one sir,
This screenshoot i take from xda fecebook via someone of member z1 indonesia FB group, but i dont OP like u so i not understanding it, pls help for read that post at this link...
http://developer.sonymobile.com/build-aosp-nougat-7-0/
EDIT: looks like z1 never to be the Nougat :crying:
from here: http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-...g-aosp-7-0-nougat-for-its-xperia-smartphones/
looki looki!!!!
http://uploaded.net/f/ikvebh
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looki looki!!!!
http://uploaded.net/f/ikvebh
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U have try that rom?
No tested!!!
Sent from my Xperia Z1 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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No tested!!!
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Haha . Even i cant download that .
Spent 2 hours for downloading this.
Mirror: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5NqkvihftQXSDI5Vl9Na2h6ak0
I will be creating a repository of root methods and guides, recoveries, roms and stock files. This will be a one stop shop for all your developer needs.
So far the only development. Is by Janjan, providing root, and a twrp recovery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xa1-ultra/development/g3221-built-sources-t3622886
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I will be creating a repository of root methods and guides, recoveries, roms and stock files. This will be a one stop shop for all your developer needs.
So far the only development. Is by Janjan, providing root, and a twrp recovery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xa1-ultra/development/g3221-built-sources-t3622886
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considering all development for this device, from the only dev that ever worked on it, has stopped. I regret buying this device. I thought for sure Sony would have better action than this. I had a note 2 before this, and they were still developing for that phone when I stopped using it 2 months Ago. I think im going to try to sell it. it's really pathetic. but it is what it is
Sent from my Xperia XA1 Ultra using XDA Labs
I am in the process of moving but once that is done I will be working on porting a few roms so that we have some choices. Don't give up yet. I have faith in the community
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I am in the process of moving but once that is done I will be working on porting a few roms so that we have some choices. Don't give up yet. I have faith in the community
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I just bought this coming from a Nexus 6P and was surprised that nothing had really been done with it it seems to be a good phone, just some of the stock options suck lol. I saw your thread for root and custom recovery and am going to try it I'm the next couple days.
You said you are going to be porting some Roms over, any ideas which you will be attempting? If you are taking requests I wouldn't mind Pure Nexus.. It's pretty kickass from a well known dev.. Or maybe even crdroid (lineage based)? Thanks for your work so far and keep at it.. Like I said, pretty good phone, just no development much yet.
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I just bought this coming from a Nexus 6P and was surprised that nothing had really been done with it it seems to be a good phone, just some of the stock options suck lol. I saw your thread for root and custom recovery and am going to try it I'm the next couple days.
You said you are going to be porting some Roms over, any ideas which you will be attempting? If you are taking requests I wouldn't mind Pure Nexus.. It's pretty kickass from a well known dev.. Or maybe even crdroid (lineage based)? Thanks for your work so far and keep at it.. Like I said, pretty good phone, just no development much yet.
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The option for root and recovery is done by JanJan who has stopped working on this device. Please give him a thanks and your credit. Mid level phones have a habit of taking a few months to really get development going. But this phone should have plenty in the coming months!
I'd like to jump in for kernel and recovery development, but the problem is I don't have experience and I have to setup a dedicated Linux machine from one of unused laptop. Also, I have to work like everybody. I have four Xperia (Z Ultra, XA Ultra, XA1 Ultra, and L1). I just need other developers to help me get started.
Note: I only have US version except Z Ultra (C6833).
Hii
Just to give my opinion too on this topic
I did the mistake.. Usually I do my own research by google-ing all the reviews
Then I read some opinions, then i look also on you tube and then the most important
I do look at xda forum to see the support of the device
And i saw all that...but than I saw the forum is not like I am used to..its like dead .. not
just there are no one posting things..but the custom rom support is not there...
Well, I said to me also... ok its a 6 inch.. not everybody likes phablets..
Like, 5 inch is more popular.. maybe that is the reson there are no development..
And then I said..ok announced in Feb/March but just got to the market about May..
So..new device..should be some development..
Unfortunally I got one with bootloader unlock NO status..
And now I can not even get root..
But still... It was weird to have such an phone on XDA with dead forum all at all
Did a bit more research last few day after I got the device
As It looks like all the X series from the Sony Xperia... has no support..
Like there are 7 or 8 devices from the X series and the only one is the X Performance Model wich has like 4 to 5 custom roms
and a few stock modified kernels..
All the other phones do not have anything..
Or let me say the best example the XA Ultra also 6 inch from last year 2016 Model
Has not evan 1 thread or commend under xda forum for custom roms or kernels or what ever..like
more then one year and what?? Nothing..
So I do not hope we will have anything...not to get fooled its a new devices it will be in time and
we will need to wait ... bla bla bla.. nothing will happen
The best thing is to fool yourself with different launchers so that after some of use of the phone
You get sort of a feeling you did flash something..and get the feeling you changed the phone
Thats all...
Would point to NOVA laungher..and some others wich have much settings to modify the looks and
the way it works...
I really to not think anything will happen.. ever
i bought the regular xa1 thinking that there'd be insane development going on for it. looking back, i shouldn't have unlocked bootloader, and looked at getting different phone. if i try to take it back to the store now even though it's under 1 year warranty, they'll just say, "oh we can't replace it, we got to send it off to sony" in which case they won't do anything as sony will see that the bootloader is unlocked
Not to say custom ROMs aren't great and all, I too was here for the good stuff, but people complaining and taking phones back is a bit dramatic.
The stock ROM is great. It doesn't really need a custom ROM. It's a perfectly reasonable phone by itself.
A custom ROM makes sense in phones such as Samsung, Huawei and Xiaomi, where they botch everything to make it "unique", but Sony phones tread the line carefully to keep it pure as possible whilst adding actual useful features.
If you're picking up phones just to hack them, maybe you should try to start your own development on them. Get the toolchains, bring up a Linux system and get creative. Then you can be the hero of your own story.
What is the best way to return to fully stock? Relock the bootloader and flash the latest firmware? Might sell mine too and get an Essential PH-1.
So since this is my first Sony device and may be my last for a few reasons question I want to return everything to stock, and I use the method that was provided it won't relock bootloader right? I have to manually relock it like any other device? I just wanna return to stock so I can try and see what it take to get a Oreo rom once the update comes through.
Actually maybe do some research when this phone first came out with had start of support. We have twrp and custom kernel. There's a search button. Try it out.
I know that this thread seems to be dead but I was wondering if someone could share the sound file for plugging in the charging cord