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Will we keep root on kitkat

With an update to kitkat happening in the near future I started to think that root may not be so easy. Our bootloader being locked down don't help matters. Right now Kingo is giving users problems and the only other option being vroot.
But what if neither of these work with kitkat?
I will not take an update until I confirm root is possible.
If there's any devs out there that can unlock this bad boy please don't give up.
So what's everyone else think?

I think that in the future people who want root will need to buy a developer's edition.
Frank
SGH-I717(AoCP6.4), SM-N900V/MI9(dlV), XDA Premium

Frank Westlake said:
I think that in the future people who want root will need to buy a developer's edition.
Frank
SGH-I717(AoCP6.4), SM-N900V/MI9(dlV), XDA Premium
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True but the unfortunate thing is Verizon and or Samsung don't make enough available.
Would be nice if they started to manufacture more dev units in the future.
Or Verizon can just unlock the bootloaders.

Harleydroid said:
True but the unfortunate thing is Verizon and or Samsung don't make enough available.
Would be nice if they started to manufacture more dev units in the future.
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I'm guessing that they will make more. There will, and may now be, some significant legal difference between the two. A lot of people want rooted phones so when bootloaders are no longer exploitable they will come up with a scheme to exploit those root-wanters.
Frank
SGH-I717(AoCP6.4), SM-N900V/MI9(dlV), XDA Premium

I heard a while ago that kitkat could break some root apps. I wonder if anyone is experiencing that?
I haven't heard anyone say anything about it so hopefully that's not a factor anymore.

Harleydroid said:
I heard a while ago that kitkat could break some root apps. I wonder if anyone is experiencing that?
I haven't heard anyone say anything about it so hopefully that's not a factor anymore.
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Look up Chainfire on Google+ he has a write up on root breakage with KitKat in his community. Lots of good stuff there.

Misterxtc said:
Look up Chainfire on Google+ he has a write up on root breakage with KitKat in his community. Lots of good stuff there.
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Yeah that's the source I heard it from a while back. I will have to check out his G+

not worth update
Harleydroid said:
Yeah that's the source I heard it from a while back. I will have to check out his G+
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i have KK on another phone(razr maxx) and no root problems. the difference btw jb and kk isn't worth any potential problems. kk is such a minor update i won't update the note3 until a root is out there and tested

Harleydroid said:
Yeah that's the source I heard it from a while back. I will have to check out his
Edut
Nermind i found him.
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Looks like kitkat could be soon. Probably still a month or more out but thought I'd share this.
http://www.elementalxdesigns.com/eclipse/showthread.php?t=8759
Samsung lays out which devices will get Android 4.4.2 KitKat

Anybody hear any news on kitkat for us Verizon guys?
I see Tmo guys have been able to root 4.4.2 with Chainfires CF Autoroot tool but it trips knox.
Wonder how this is going to be for us?
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipse Note 3??

Kingo might work.

XzxBATTxzX said:
Kingo might work.
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Kingo doesn't work for the Tmo guys.
But it's possible they might update it to work in the future I guess.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??

Harleydroid said:
Kingo doesn't work for the Tmo guys.
But it's possible they might update it to work in the future I guess.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??
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Thought we were talking about Verizon?

XzxBATTxzX said:
Thought we were talking about Verizon?
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Lol yes we are I was just saying that kingo didn't work for them but was before kitkat.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??

Everything I've read about how Kitkat screws up access to SD card makes me want to have no part of it. When I hear it is coming to vzw I plan to root and try to figure out how to stay stock mje and block updates. The only thing I really want fixed is the compass and since Nobody admits it's a problem I don't expect any update to fix it.
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recDNA said:
Everything I've read about how Kitkat screws up access to SD card makes me want to have no part of it. When I hear it is coming to vzw I plan to root and try to figure out how to stay stock mje and block updates. The only thing I really want fixed is the compass and since Nobody admits it's a problem I don't expect any update to fix it.
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Yes from what I have read guys are not happy with the kitkat update. Of course thats on the other carriers.
I guess we will just have to wait and see
?Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3?

,Kitkat is Kitkat. No way we'll have free access to our sd cards
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Harleydroid said:
Kingo doesn't work for the Tmo guys.
But it's possible they might update it to work in the future I guess.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??
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Tmobile guys don't need kingo to root since they have an unlocked bootloader. If it wasn't for t-mobile's poor network compared to verizon I'd switch in a heat beat.

sulla65 said:
Tmobile guys don't need kingo to root since they have an unlocked bootloader. If it wasn't for t-mobile's poor network compared to verizon I'd switch in a heat beat.
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They were having trouble rooting the kitkat build on tmo. My friend just picked up a tmo note 3 and the only way for him to root was to use chainfires CF autoroot but it trips knox. Which he didn't care.
?Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3?

Can Note 3 still be rooted?

Is it still possible to root Verizon Galaxy Note 3? I am no longer able to root my Verizon Note 2 because of 4.4.2. And I am thinking of getting a new phone because of it.
I like the large size. I watch a lot of videos. I like the S pen but could live without it.
I heard that Note 4 will be out soon. Does anyone know if there will be a root for that? Probably not out yet, but I thought I would ask
Thanks
Michael

ms2sf said:
Is it still possible to root Verizon Galaxy Note 3? I am no longer able to root my Verizon Note 2 because of 4.4.2. And I am thinking of getting a new phone because of it.
I like the large size. I watch a lot of videos. I like the S pen but could live without it.
I heard that Note 4 will be out soon. Does anyone know if there will be a root for that? Probably not out yet, but I thought I would ask
Thanks
Michael
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It's rootable with TowelRoot. You should be able to root your Note 2 with TowelRoot as well. https://towelroot.com/

SirBindy said:
It's rootable with TowelRoot. You should be able to root your Note 2 with TowelRoot as well. https://towelroot.com/
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Thanks! Will let you know WHEN it works

ms2sf said:
Thanks! Will let you know WHEN it works
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Sir Bindy,
Do you know if https://towelroot.com/ is safe? I received "tr.apk is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous".
Thanks for your continued support
Michael

ms2sf said:
Sir Bindy,
Do you know if https://towelroot.com/ is safe? I received "tr.apk is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous".
Thanks for your continued support
Michael
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It is safe. I just used it on a replacement Note 3 that I got and didn't have any issues. Most apk's you download will prompt that warning based on certain security settings in your browser.

DaPoets said:
It is safe. I just used it on a replacement Note 3 that I got and didn't have any issues. Most apk's you download will prompt that warning based on certain security settings in your browser.
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Good to know, Thanks. I can't wait to try it.

SirBindy said:
It's rootable with TowelRoot. You should be able to root your Note 2 with TowelRoot as well. https://towelroot.com/
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Are there any roms you would recommend? Jasmine sounds great, but what is possible with a 4.4.2 note 3? Root but is that all?
I'm coming from a locked bootloader S3, never got to experience the joy of having custom Roms...

waterbottels said:
Are there any roms you would recommend? Jasmine sounds great, but what is possible with a 4.4.2 note 3? Root but is that all?
I'm coming from a locked bootloader S3, never got to experience the joy of having custom Roms...
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I love JasmineROM v1.9. But, I also really like ObjectiveROM v1.1.

SirBindy said:
I love JasmineROM v1.9. But, I also really like ObjectiveROM v1.1.
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pros and cons to either?
I'm a college student so i really want the tethering, as well as the spen features. also stability is a big one as well.

Possible new MobileOdin Support?

Anyone think our Locked phones could have a chance of utilizing this new app from ChainFire?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/paid-software/flashfire-t3075433

Stupifier said:
Anyone think our Locked phones could have a chance of utilizing this new app from ChainFire?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/paid-software/flashfire-t3075433
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There's little info on what it works on (locked bootloader etc), so why don't you ask Chainfire ?

ldeveraux said:
There's little info on what it works on (locked bootloader etc), so why don't you ask Chainfire ?
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I don't even think ChainFire knows. Would be really cool if it does work on our Phone though! Would finally remove need for a PC.

Stupifier said:
I don't even think ChainFire knows. Would be really cool if it does work on our Phone though! Would finally remove need for a PC.
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So instead of asking the source, you started this thread? why?

ldeveraux said:
So instead of asking the source, you started this thread? why?
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Because his thread is gonna get flooded with posts now that his app has made big news! Furthermore, his thread is about ALL devices. This thread is specific to OUR device. Why you being grumpy and hasslin' me?

Stupifier said:
Because his thread is gonna get flooded with posts now that his app has made big news! Furthermore, his thread is about ALL devices. This thread is specific to OUR device. Why you being grumpy and hasslin' me?
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Haha! I'm not trying to hassle you! I just know that no one knows better than Chainfire about his own app, plus he responds to everyone. This thread would be just conjecture...

ldeveraux said:
There's little info on what it works on (locked bootloader etc), so why don't you ask Chainfire ?
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I have tested FlashFire on my locked bootloader I337 S4 and my G900T and it works. Still testing but it appears this will be our safestrap replacement.
I will update my update and keeproot thread once testing is complete.

Yes...a possible end to Safestrap and ODIN with PC madness....

muniz_ri said:
I have tested FlashFire on my locked bootloader I337 S4 and my G900T and it works. Still testing but it appears this will be our safestrap replacement.
I will update my update and keeproot thread once testing is complete.
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Considering SS hasn't been updated for months, this is good news

ldeveraux said:
Considering SS hasn't been updated for months, this is good news
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Very exciting, and given 5.0 is now widespread and the lack of a recovery solution supporting 5.0 on locked BL devices, I will quickly adopt it into the my threads. Suspect others will also.

muniz_ri said:
Very exciting, and given 5.0 is now widespread and the lack of a recovery solution supporting 5.0 on locked BL devices, I will quickly adopt it into the my threads. Suspect others will also.
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I just did a full backup and flashed a ROM with no issues so far.

Rapunzl said:
I just did a full backup and flashed a ROM with no issues so far.
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Most excellent. So does this mean we have a replacement for SafeStrap or ODIN? Or BOTH!?

it allow to flash g900f rom in g900v with locked bootloader? I need to change rom language

LEENO said:
it allow to flash g900f rom in g900v with locked bootloader? I need to change rom language
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It allows you to flash ROMS without safestrap. Only stock ROMS will work with 900v, due to the locked bootloader.

Rapunzl said:
It allows you to flash ROMS without safestrap. Only stock ROMS will work with 900v, due to the locked bootloader.
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Only touchwiz based ROMs?

ldeveraux said:
Only touchwiz based ROMs?
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Your question is a little ambiguous.
1. FlashFire works for more than just TouchWiz
2. The Non-Developer Verizon S5 has a locked bootloader....as such, only TouchWiz ROMs (some people might say TouchWiz = Stock...but that is misleading) will work on the device.

Stupifier said:
Your question is a little ambiguous.
1. FlashFire works for more than just TouchWiz
2. The Non-Developer Verizon S5 has a locked bootloader....as such, only TouchWiz ROMs (some people might say TouchWiz = Stock...but that is misleading) will work on the device.
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It wasn't a question; it was a correction with a question mark to soften the blow.

ldeveraux said:
It wasn't a question; it was a correction with a question mark to soften the blow.
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look at the keyboard cowboy over here

damagi123 said:
look at the keyboard cowboy over here
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Or maybe THAT was to cover up my mistake, we'll never know!

Did Verizon finally win and block root?

I am little shocked to see nothing has come out yet on root for OE1. What are your guys thoughts? Is there any hope us on OE1 will ever get root back?

XNO said:
I am little shocked to see nothing has come out yet on root for OE1. What are your guys thoughts? Is there any hope the us on OE1 will ever get root back?
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It's actually not Verizon, mostly. It's Samsung. I've seen the security on the Galaxy series grow since my GSIII.
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kfres39389 said:
It's actually not Verizon, mostly. It's Samsung. I've seen the security on the Galaxy series grow since my GSIII.
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No, it's Verizon...they blocked HTC from root and access to the HTC unlock option. There are no issues rooting T-Mobile or Sprint S5s.
And no one should ever say never. Exploits just appear...like Towel Root, Kingo Root and KingRoot in the past...no one is aware of their creation...they just show up and work. So one never never knows (seewhatIdidthere) :silly:

KennyG123 said:
No, it's Verizon...they blocked HTC from root and access to the HTC unlock option. There are no issues rooting T-Mobile or Sprint S5s.
And no one should ever say never. Exploits just appear...like Towel Root, Kingo Root and KingRoot in the past...no one is aware of their creation...they just show up and work. So one never never knows (seewhatIdidthere) :silly:
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...but we can assume no one is working on rooting specifically the Verizon S5 with OE1 firmware.

Hmm, that's interesting. Thanks for the update. I used to be a serial flasher, but haven't quite kept up with the S5. Checking only now and then if any progress has been made on the latest update because I want to root because I miss some of those functions.
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XNO said:
I am little shocked to see nothing has come out yet on root for OE1. What are your guys thoughts? Is there any hope us on OE1 will ever get root back?
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ldeveraux said:
...but we can assume no one is working on rooting specifically the Verizon S5 with OE1 firmware.
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It is more that it is not a rushed thing, most people have a rooted version of OE1 that uses OD5 bootloader. So fewer people are without root. It is just a way to directly root OE1 that is not available yet.
kfres39389 said:
Hmm, that's interesting. Thanks for the update. I used to be a serial flasher, but haven't quite kept up with the S5. Checking only now and then if any progress has been made on the latest update because I want to root because I miss some of those functions.
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If you had not taken the OTA update or otherwise installed stock OE1 then you could have gotten a version of rooted OE1. It may be a while before people find anything to directly root OE1 or later, just because there are fewer people who need that, so not as much effort is being put into it.

Kaliaila said:
It is more that it is not a rushed thing, most people have a rooted version of OE1 that uses OD5 bootloader. So fewer people are without root. It is just a way to directly root OE1 that is not available yet.
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yeah, thanks, I already knew that. There's still most likely no way to root stock OE1 in the future. :good:

KennyG123 said:
No, it's Verizon...they blocked HTC from root and access to the HTC unlock option. There are no issues rooting T-Mobile or Sprint S5s.
And no one should ever say never. Exploits just appear...like Towel Root, Kingo Root and KingRoot in the past...no one is aware of their creation...they just show up and work. So one never never knows (seewhatIdidthere) :silly:
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I just upgraded to the S5 from Verizon. Will I be able to root? Will it do an automatic update when I turn it on?

So there is no way to root of you did update on your s5 for verizon?

It will come....we just gotta wait it out, or do it ourselves.
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jtguldner said:
I just upgraded to the S5 from Verizon. Will I be able to root? Will it do an automatic update when I turn it on?
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Got my new s5 2 weeks ago... it came with it already installed.

Replacement phone has 5.0 - how can I root it?

My old phone had some hardware issues and because it was still under warranty, Verizon replaced it. However, it has lollipop, not kitkat. How do I root this beast?

brucejg said:
My old phone had some hardware issues and because it was still under warranty, Verizon replaced it. However, it has lollipop, not kitkat. How do I root this beast?
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It depends on the version of
lollipop your on
If you are on any version after BOD5 pretty sure you will not be able to root or downgrade to kit Kat to gain root
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sean19661 said:
It depends on the version of
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If you are on any version after BOD5 pretty sure you will not be able to root or downgrade to kit Kat to gain root
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How do I determine if I'm on BOD5 or greater?

brucejg said:
How do I determine if I'm on BOD5 or greater?
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No offense man, if you can't figure that out, you shouldn't try to root your phone. It'll go poorly then you'll have 64844890 more questions. Just read up on the stickies...

ldeveraux said:
No offense man, if you can't figure that out, you shouldn't try to root your phone. It'll go poorly then you'll have 64844890 more questions. Just read up on the stickies...
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Look bubba, I rooted my phone a year ago when I got it (and the previous 3 phones I owned) and that's the last time I did it. I don't do this every day so I don't know where every little "thing" is or how to do it in my sleep.
Thanks for not being any help...

Go to About Phone and look at the build number. The last 4 character is what you're looking for.

brucejg said:
Look bubba, I rooted my phone a year ago when I got it (and the previous 3 phones I owned) and that's the last time I did it. I don't do this every day so I don't know where every little "thing" is or how to do it in my sleep.
Thanks for not being any help...
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Yeah it's been the same method to find your build for every android phone since ever. But you can't find it all of a sudden, after rooting 3 other phones. OK good luck with all of that then.

ldeveraux said:
Yeah it's been the same method to find your build for every android phone since ever. But you can't find it all of a sudden, after rooting 3 other phones. OK good luck with all of that then.
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In the time it took you to write these emails, you could have just told me. But you would rather be an asshole. That's fine, the world is full of 'em.

brucejg said:
In the time it took you to write these emails, you could have just told me. But you would rather be an asshole. That's fine, the world is full of 'em.
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Sorry

brucejg said:
How do I determine if I'm on BOD5 or greater?
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Ok check your build number in about phone and if you have BOE1 or BOG5 then you are out of luck. No root available for them, anything else is root-able.

buhohitr said:
Ok check your build number in about phone and if you have BOE1 or BOG5 then you are out of luck. No root available for them, anything else is root-able.
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Finally got to checking this (busy week) and I see that I have BOG5. So, is this a temporary thing as in it hasn't been cracked yet, or is this more along the lines of the Galaxy Note and can't be cracked?
Thanks for your help and thanks to berfles too.

brucejg said:
Finally got to checking this (busy week) and I see that I have BOG5. So, is this a temporary thing as in it hasn't been cracked yet, or is this more along the lines of the Galaxy Note and can't be cracked?
Thanks for your help and thanks to berfles too.
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Currenty it can't be cracked how ever, there is light at the end of the tunnel:
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/

buhohitr said:
Currenty it can't be cracked how ever, there is light at the end of the tunnel:
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
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Thanks again; I'll be checking back regularly and hopefully we'll get there soon.

is it not possible to odin and downgrade OG5 to NCG?

jaggyjagz said:
is it not possible to odin and downgrade OG5 to NCG?
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Nope, sorry, OE1 and OG5 you can't downgrade because of the locked bootloader. But there is a good news that they may found away to unlock bootloader on Verizon G5, we just have to wait and see if they will in fact release the exploit.

buhohitr said:
Currenty it can't be cracked how ever, there is light at the end of the tunnel:
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like its coming anytime soon.

Just in case you don't know yet. You can now root the vz s5 on all versions
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