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Optical lamination of LCD displays. What do you think?

I've noticed that the viewing angles and visibility in sunlight of Samsung's Super AMOLED+ displays are below average, contrary to the company's claims.
I know for a fact that reflections in any touchscreen display can be eliminated by bonding the glass to the LCD panel using a transparent resin. As there are less layers of reflective surface redirecting the light rays (from sunlight and the display itself), visibility can be increased dramatically.
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I disassembled an old Nokia X6 I had about a year ago and bonded the glass to the TFT LCD panel using high transparency superglue. When indoors it may seem to be about the same, but there is a big difference when outdoors. The Nokia X6 has surprisingly far better visibility in sunlight than the Samsung Galaxy S2.
When seen from nearly in-line with the glass, you can see quite a difference.
Some bonus photos from a while back when the screen wasn't cracked
Here's a video (it's in 1080p):
Imagine the possibilities if done to a Super AMOLED+ display like the Galaxy SII's.
Some questions:
Is there anyone here (on XDA) willing to do it?
Why hasn't Samsung already done so already?
Ah, back in the early days of SAMOLED displays with poor sunlight visibility...

Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.

It's not that hard
ben999_ said:
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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As of now, there aren't any signs of yellowing or glue becoming undone. In fact, the glass now survives a 1.5 meter drop. For the record, the glue only has bubbles around the side because I didn't seal the edges of the LCD panel.
Also, I did a bit of research. The iPhone 4 and 4S has already done this on a mass production scale, but with IPS displays. I don't think it would be much harder for Samsung to do as they manufacture their own displays anyway.
I'll post better pictures tomorrow.
ACTUALLY, as you can see in my last photo, barely any light is visible from the Galaxy SII's display at that angle. You may be able to see it on an AMOLED display but not on a mediocre contrast LCD display (I can't even see the Galaxy SII's display on my LCD monitor).

ben999_ said:
'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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Consider the fact that Superglue was invented for the purpose of gluing camera lenses together (in part, to eliminate reflections). The optical industry covered all of your concerns decades ago.

Pretty much, although they'd call it something else like bonding resin.
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What case are you using? It's awesome!!

nikidorian said:
What case are you using? It's awesome!!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22436462&postcount=24
It is called 'Sweet Armor GS2'. I also have an aluminium battery cover on it.
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But i think there are already solutions for it atleast Chinese have it. Dont u heared of antiglare screen gaurds? Which is not so transperent( its darker) but u will never notice its presence over the screen. Which is also not that much smooth.
It can improve reading in sunlight and also is fingerprint and scratch resistant. But is costlier than normal gaurds. Its about 20$ .
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ben999_ said:
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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If they use a colourless resin it stands a better chance of not yellowing and won't come undone. The biggest issue I see is bubbles. Resins are notorious for them as they are more syrup-like that glue. If the manage to get that thing on there though, they will never be able to get it off. Kiss the chance of replacing a digitizer goodbye.

I'd rather leave it to Samsung/hardware developers to find a solution. You're talking about a potentially dangerous, warranty voiding procedure to replace using your hand to cast a shadow.

vantt1 said:
As of now, there aren't any signs of yellowing or glue becoming undone. In fact, the glass now survives a 1.5 meter drop. For the record, the glue only has bubbles around the side because I didn't seal the edges of the LCD panel.
Also, I did a bit of research. The iPhone 4 and 4S has already done this on a mass production scale, but with IPS displays. I don't think it would be much harder for Samsung to do as they manufacture their own displays anyway.
I'll post better pictures tomorrow.
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The one thing about the iPhone 4 is that there is still a gap layer between teh digitizer and the lcd. I have replaced many iPhone 4 digitizers in my time. That being said, there is an air gap there which will cause diffraction. In order todo this problem, the resin needs to be appied to the digitizer so it will be combined to the LCD.

showlyshah said:
But i think there are already solutions for it atleast Chinese have it. Dont u heared of antiglare screen gaurds? Which is not so transperent( its darker) but u will never notice its presence over the screen. Which is also not that much smooth.
It can improve reading in sunlight and also is fingerprint and scratch resistant. But is costlier than normal gaurds. Its about 20$ .
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I know of anti glare screen protectors. In fact, I know them too well. Their light diffusing properties make an otherwise sharp display look fuzzy. Pixels are no longer in line with each other but instead appear to look scattered. The thing with anti glare screen protectors is that they prevent external reflections from travelling in a straight line, thereby reducing glare.
My aim here is that I want to reduce the reflections altogether, not spread them out.
Also, I am curious as to how you can pay $20 for a single screen protector. I always buy them from eBay because you can get at least 30 for the price of $20.

Some better photos
ben999_ said:
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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Here are some better photos. Sorry for the shakiness though.
To make a good comparison, I have a screenshot of the Nokia X6 on the Galaxy SII. Both displays are at full brightness but my camera decided to take the light metering value from the Galaxy SII so the Nokia X6 looks dimmer.
This is the Nokia X6's display viewed from around 85 degrees from where 0 degrees is perpendicular to the display (if that made sense). Look for the red Opera icon.
And this is the Galaxy SII's display from around the same angle. Also look for the red Opera icon.

As others mentioned, what are you supposed to do if the digitizer fails? There's a reason the screen isn't actually bonded.

O rly?
MissionImprobable said:
As others mentioned, what are you supposed to do if the digitizer fails? There's a reason the screen isn't actually bonded.
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If the digitizer fails, you'll have to replace both the digitizer and the display panel.
It's not uncommon now; the Galaxy SII's display assembly is already a single piece, not separable into its individual parts without damaging the panel. The two parts were made to be a single assembly at the factory. Besides, they aren't expensive. The combined cost of a Nokia X6's digitizer and LCD doesn't exceed $50. If you want to replace a cracked Galaxy SII digitizer or faulty AMOLED panel, you'll have to buy the whole assembly anyway.
A genuine Samsung panel costs $180, but for reasons that shall remain unexplained, it is possible to buy third party Galaxy SII digitizers on the internet for around $10. I don't know how that's going to work. Maybe the stock digitizer and LCD panel can be separated into two separate pieces so if only the glass cracks you can replace the digitizer.
EDIT: I checked. The Galaxy SII's glass and the LCD panel are fused together using some glue which looks to be inseparable. This was supposedly meant to prevent dust from getting in. It's a reasonable excuse.

Oh yeah, as seen in the pictures I posted, the Nokia X6's digitizer is badly cracked but is still fully functional. I cracked the screen once before but to a much lesser extent, but the digitizer failed anyway.
As you can see, the display assemply can be separated.
It wasn't cracked that badly, but it didn't work.

Is there any easy way to spread out the super glue? This sounds like a great idea but superglue can be a huge PITA to work with, especially with something expensive.

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Is there any easy way to spread out the super glue? This sounds like a great idea but superglue can be a huge PITA to work with, especially with something expensive.
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I used around a full bottle of Aron Alpha Instant Glue (the Alpha Cyanoacrylate one) for the Nokia X6's screen, and it's quite alright as long as there isn't any dust on the glass or the LCD. If bubbles form as you're applying the glue, just pop them with a needle. The glue is quite runny, so when applied to the glass on a flat surface it should just spread out evenly.
Unfortunately, one thing that I didn't do was have a rectangular foam border for the LCD to sit on so that the glue doesn't escape from underneath the LCD panel form bubbles after the LCD is placed on top of the glass.
Since there is no direct contact of surfaces for the glue to actually bond (and you're using a full 2 grams of it), drying takes a lot longer. I recommend letting it dry for a full 24 hours before moving it.
This is the closest I could find to the one that I used.
Mine came in an orange plastic bottle which looks exactly like this

vantt1 said:
Oh yeah, as seen in the pictures I posted, the Nokia X6's digitizer is badly cracked but is still fully functional.
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Beware of using cracked screens without protecting your fingers with a screen protector (even packing tape works well in a pinch) You do NOT want to slice your fingertips with the ultra sharp edges on a cracked screen.

vantt1 said:
If the digitizer fails, you'll have to replace both the digitizer and the display panel.
It's not uncommon now; the Galaxy SII's display assembly is already a single piece, not separable into its individual parts without damaging the panel. The two parts were made to be a single assembly at the factory. Besides, they aren't expensive. The combined cost of a Nokia X6's digitizer and LCD doesn't exceed $50. If you want to replace a cracked Galaxy SII digitizer or faulty AMOLED panel, you'll have to buy the whole assembly anyway.
A genuine Samsung panel costs $180, but for reasons that shall remain unexplained, it is possible to buy third party Galaxy SII digitizers on the internet for around $10. I don't know how that's going to work. Maybe the stock digitizer and LCD panel can be separated into two separate pieces so if only the glass cracks you can replace the digitizer.
EDIT: I checked. The Galaxy SII's glass and the LCD panel are fused together using some glue which looks to be inseparable. This was supposedly meant to prevent dust from getting in. It's a reasonable excuse.
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I can say for a fact and from experience that these "combined" or "bonded" screens come apart. I am not sure what they use but I highly doubt it's super glue. And if they are sealed together, I am assuming it's just an edge seal or else it would do what you are saying right?

S-pen Scratches Screen?!

In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
The worst part about the screen is that the S-Pen actually scratches the screen, which is supposed to be protected by Gorilla Glass. You won't notice the scratches unless you look at the screen with the power off in sunlight, but it is still annoying. Those of you who are desperate enough to buy the Galaxy Note 10.1 may want to invest in a screen cover.
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Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails

Mine certainly does not have any scratches. At least not yet. I used it a lot so far (like writing a few full pages of notes), so I don't think it should normally be a problem.
Scratches might have happened because some particles between the pen and the screen, not the pen itself.

ugotproblemz said:
In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
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I just came to the forums looking for the same answer. I was planning on getting one of these tomorrow but now I want to wait until I hear from people who have them and are using them. Can anyone verify or dispute this claim that the stylus scratches the screen?

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised. Gorilla glass isn't invincible. It's meant to give some leeway for those who do treat they devices carefully. That said, reviewers like these need to keep in mind that there are many factors that can contribute scratches on screens. While Gorilla Glass certainly does not get scratched easily by kitchen knives and blades, it can get scratched by dust. You might think that's impossible, but dust is made up of a lot of different things. There might be a diamond particle in there, who knows? But if you get something that hard and rub it against the Gorilla Glass, it's going to scratch, no questions asked.
I don't think it's the S Pen that scratched their screen, but rather their own carelessness. So to answer you question, is it possible that the S Pen scratched it? Yeah. But likely? Nope.
I don't own a Galaxy Note 10.1 yet, but I just wanted to get this across before people start to freak out about how Gorilla Glass can be scratched.

Its physically impossible for the plastic nib to scratch glass. But like the other guy said, any particles in between the nib and the screen could cause a scratch. I've experienced this myself personally on my Note. Just make sure the screen and nib are clean, and if you're gonna be using the tablet in an environment where it could be subjected to dust particles or whatever, I'd highly recommend a screen protector. Oh, one other thing, what looks like scratches could just be the pen cutting through finger grease on the screen. There have been many times where I thought I got a bunch of little scratches on my screen, but then was relieved to find out that was not the case.
As a sidenote, what's with reviewers these days? It's like they're all doing every thing they can to discredit the Note and make sure it fails.
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Looks like a poor attempt of a review to slate Samsungs new tablet. I wouldn't even call it a review just a rant by someone who dislikes the device from the start. I would ignore it.

So far no scratches on my screen. I have been using it for about two weeks. I do plan on getting a screen protector just in case.
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Now 4 days continously working with S-Pan indoors and outdoors by the pool, even on the beach: no single scratch even when lookung with a magnifying glass.
Some types of grease/lotions make believe it´s a scratch and can be very sticky but can easily be wiped away with a wet cloth and a microsquirt of dishcleaner.
I bought the 10.1 as replacement for my old notebook and it will have a hard life with me

I have both the note 5.3 phone and the 10.1 and neither have scratches from the s pen. I don't have one regret about getting this I pad conqueror!

I've had the Note 5.3 phone since December last year and the screen on it has not a single scratch on it, my 3 year old son likes to draw on the phone with the S Pen and as already mentioned still not a single scratch (knock on wood!).
If you are worried then get a screen protector, I have not yet decided if I will get one myself or if I will just settle with a case/flip case of some sort.
Here is a thread regarding screen protectors for the Note 10.1 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838473
What I in fact AM worried about is the rear facing camera lens on the Note 10.1, if the "design" is the same as on the Note 5.3 phone (which it seems to be based on pictures), the rear facing camera lens is actually a little bit elevated. So if the Note 10.1 is laying flat on it's back on a desk you better make sure there are no small sharp particles that can scratch the lens on the desk.
Attaches below is a picture where you can clearly see this.
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You may use a screen protector to be on the safe side.
Off-topic: is it easy to write in on this tablet, does it recognizes handwriting easily.
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You may use a screen protector to be on the safe side.
Off-topic: is it easy to write in on this tablet, does it recognizes handwriting easily.
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Check this thread for a video that demonstrates the handwriting - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1840997

Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.

Addendum: although the performance of the SGN10.1 in bright sunlight is very good an antireflective screen protector would be a good idea. On my SGS II and III and Note I have antireflective screen protectors installed.
The disadvantage of these antireflectives is a more blurry screen and loss of "sharpness" which is considerably strong esp. on my SGS III
The most difficult part will be to attach the protector which should be done in a dust free environment to prevent bubbles.
With this protector installed You will never ever have to worry about scratches by sand (beach, desert, sandy environment) or lava-ashes (Pacific fire ring countries, Italy). Nano- and micro-crystals of sand and/or other silica adhere nicely to the grease on the screen from Your fingers and thus might create scratches even on gentle cleaning with a soft cloth.

BarryH_GEG said:
Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
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Probably some are defective though - mine Asus Trasnformer has many scratches while I never had sand or silica near it. The worst scratch is probably from when it was lying on the table screen down - there was only sugar and some breadcrumbs there. I have also a lot of smaller scratches on the border (outside of screen mostly, but still on the glass). I suspect Gorilla Glass in this unit is a little defective. It's only a theory though. For comparison - I had eye glassess from normal glass for 10 years that I treated without any respect and they didn't have any scratches. Also no scratch on my phone which has to survive worse treatment than the tablet.

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Its physically impossible for the plastic nib to scratch glass. But like the other guy said, any particles in between the nib and the screen could cause a scratch. I've experienced this myself personally on my Note. Just make sure the screen and nib are clean, and if you're gonna be using the tablet in an environment where it could be subjected to dust particles or whatever, I'd highly recommend a screen protector. Oh, one other thing, what looks like scratches could just be the pen cutting through finger grease on the screen. There have been many times where I thought I got a bunch of little scratches on my screen, but then was relieved to find out that was not the case.
As a sidenote, what's with reviewers these days? It's like they're all doing every thing they can to discredit the Note and make sure it fails.
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I'm also surprised at the flurry of negative reviews and the tendency to describe the S Pen as a gimmick. At some point, I read that Steve Jobs had rejected the idea of a stylus being useful, on the grounds that people would prefer the simplicity of using a finger. The reasoning makes me think he was envisioning the stylus a la Palm circa 2006, which did little more than navigation. I wonder if reviewers are deferential to Jobs' opinion without examining his reasoning (if the account I encountered is in fact true) -- the Note S Pen offers a lot more utility than the old Palm styli ever did.
Otherwise, I suppose those reviewers must have different purposes in mind for a tablet. The Note 10.1 is my first tablet, as it's the first time I've considered any tablet to offer enough utility above my laptop and smartphone to be worth several hundred dollars.

Jobs was simply a ........ POSER
Maybe he did not even ever work with a Compaq iPac which was an excellent device at it's time (BTW: the Compaq was also "flat with rounded corners" and had an "i" in front of the "Pac" )
He developed devices to the philosophy: take the best hardware developed by other brilliant companies, design the OS as simple as possible (spares a hell of money), check if three year old children get along with the device ( knowing that 90% of the people are too lazy to invest some brains), make Chinese workers assemble the devices for nothing, force consumers to stay in the Apple world, sell it for a hell of money, make a religion of "Apple", and finally go on a Djihad against all companies that make Apple devices possible firsthand.
Like RedBull his only merit was to be an excellent merchandiser.
BTW: EXACTLY THE STYLUS WAS THE REASON FOR ME TO BUY THIS PIECE OF DIGITAL ART

BarryH_GEG said:
Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
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I can't post links yet, but Google smudgeguard. It is a very useful glove that was created for artist which is a perfect accessory for the note. At $16 it is a good investment IMO. Granted dollar store gloves with the fingers cut would work but these actually look nice and are designed to prevent smudging.

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I can't post links yet, but Google smudgeguard. It is a very useful glove that was created for artist which is a perfect accessory for the note. At $16 it is a good investment IMO. Granted dollar store gloves with the fingers cut would work but these actually look nice and are designed to prevent smudging.
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When I wear my smudge guard the Note still registers touches so you're better off with a thicker glove.
I remember seeing one a few months ago aimed toward the iPad crowd. I can't remember the name at the moment though. I'll post back if I remember or find it.
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ugotproblemz said:
In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
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We had the same report about the ThinkPad Tablet and I never found it to be true. I've had mine nearly a year, used the pen extensively, and zero scratches with zero screen protector. YMMV If your pen nib is rough then you'll have a problem.

Are you using a case on your Xperia Z3?

Case or no case?

Never been for the case. I would always opt for a 9H tempered glass. I've bought both the front and back Nilkin 9H tempered glass and it's been working pretty well for these two months. I recently dropped my z3 on the floor. No damage but the tempered glass did crack. If you don't mind taking away from the beauty of the phone, I would definitely recommend a case. I bought the Ringke clear case at first but it just made the phone look bulkier.

I have a Ringke, but like to use my phone bare, also have front/back glass protectors.
However in corner impacts the glass protectors will be useless as one person already found out, though he did it on purpose to show off .

I have a tempered glass 9H screen protector on the front and when I don't use the phone it lives in a slip case with a pull tab. When I do use it it takes all of a second or two to get it out and it's naked in my hands. I can't stand an ugly case that wraps around a phone. Why would anybody obscure the beautiful design of an item with a case? It makes no sense... Although like I say my compromise is a slip case.
My phone is in absolute mint condition with not a single fine scratch on the back yet so I reckon my system works pretty well for me.
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No case here either. I just use a lanyard ring. It helps with holding/using the phone with 1 hand. Will probably get some cheap screen protector though because the phone is so slippery.
The phone design is too sexy, why cover it up?

Just a belt case when at work

I don't use a case, but I didn't vote because I don't think it's tough enough. I just don't like cases, they add bulk and ruin the design.
I do use a lanyard/strap though because the entire phone is slippery. I put a Xtremeguard back protector to make it less slippery, but the sides are still slippery as hell. I'm really considering using Plasti Dip on the sides.

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Jokes aside, I agree with Shilent. No case or front screen protectors for me--it ruins the design and full experience of the phone. The only thing I would add is a protective sticker on the back so it doesn't slide on the table.

I voted no case, but don't think it would survive a drop....
Lol, Hanime.
Case really does ruin the phone, I only use the Ringke outside, that too occasionaly. After seeing Gorilla Glass 4 adverts by Corning showing 2x increase in impact resistance, espescially rough surfaces. I wish it had released in time for this phone.

Mine is naked now. My cruzerlite case lasted 3 days.
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Jokes aside, I agree with Shilent. No case or front screen protectors for me--it ruins the design and full experience of the phone. The only thing I would add is a protective sticker on the back so it doesn't slide on the table.
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You should consider a tempered glass screen protector if you hate stickers. It's incomparable to the old idea of a plastic film protector.
It's 100% invisible and makes the screen look unbelievably beautiful while offering great protection if u should drop it.
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Johann_London said:
You should consider a tempered glass screen protector if you hate stickers. It's incomparable to the old idea of a plastic film protector.
It's 100% invisible and makes the screen look unbelievably beautiful while offering great protection if u should drop it.
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How does something invisible make something look beautiful?
It won't add much protection to dropping your phone either, especially if it lands on the side of the device.

Carrying it naked absolutely out of the question for me.
I sell my phones every 2 months. Resale value is paramount, so I wont risk a small scratch or dent.
Yes the phone's design is sexy. However IMHO, using casemate tough case somehow adds to its beauty while adding more grip to it.

i'm using case right now, but a super thin 0.33mm clear TPU one . just for that extra safety feel

No case, because I know what the phone looks like, and I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks it looks like, and I want some protection against both drops and scratching from being in a pocket/general wear and tear over the 2 or 3 years I'm going to have it.

No case here! Just using a glass protector on the front and naked on the back because I couldn't find any.
I just hate the fact that my glass protector has cut outs for the sensors, doesn't fully cover around the speakers and has a cut out for the NOTIFICATION LIGHT. Seriously, wtf

Ok, now I just have a glass screen protector on the back and nothing on the front. I've been getting some scratches on back, so I need something on it.
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How does something invisible make something look beautiful?
It won't add much protection to dropping your phone either, especially if it lands on the side of the device.
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God what a stupid reply. Firstly, because it's just another layer of glass it's pretty much invisible - but because it's glossy and of a high quality it compliments the resolution of the screen and makes it look really good.
Just look up some videos on YouTube where they are reviewed or something.
Also it protects the screen against drops - in almost every drop the screen protector shatters leaving the screen in mint condition. There are even a few videos where they are hit with a hammer and it's the screen protector that shatters, not the screen.
Erica Griffin did the same test. But for now, look at this:
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Johann_London said:
God what a stupid reply. Firstly, because it's just another layer of glass it's pretty much invisible - but because it's glossy and of a high quality it compliments the resolution of the screen and makes it look really good.
Just look up some videos on YouTube where they are reviewed or something.
Also it protects the screen against drops - in almost every drop the screen protector shatters leaving the screen in mint condition. There are even a few videos where they are hit with a hammer and it's the screen protector that shatters, not the screen.
Erica Griffin did the same test. But for now, look at this:
Tempered glass screen protector drop test #2 (off…: http://youtu.be/Ld8ISx4IL8Q
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I'm sorry, I was unware the glass on the front of our screen wasn't glossy and of high quality to begin with. Silly me.
I'm going to go buy a glass screen protector now so I can have beautiful display now.
Never did I say the glass screen protectors were nice, I use them myself.
If you read my post carefully I specifically said it's not going to protect it from a side impact, which it's not.
I swear, people get more retarded everyday.

dedei said:
No case here! Just using a glass protector on the front and naked on the back because I couldn't find any.
I just hate the fact that my glass protector has cut outs for the sensors, doesn't fully cover around the speakers and has a cut out for the NOTIFICATION LIGHT. Seriously, wtf
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I have an Ultimate Shield glass protector and it has only three cut outs... The two speakers (onbiously) and the sensor just to the left of the Sony logo. Everything else including camera and notification light works through the protector. This one is 9H hardness. Which one do you have then?
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Screen scratches within only 2 weeks

I have owned the phone for 2 weeks and have some really horrible scratches on the screen already. I really don't feel the screen should scratch this easily as I have never experienced this with a phone before.
The phone has been in a case since day 1 that elevates it if placed face down. Additionally I have not dropped the phone at all. The phone always goes straight to my pocket by itself facing my leg. I checked for dirt in my pockets and there is none that I can ever feel. I really don't understand how this is happening. The scratches are extremely noticeable in direct light and do not resemble microscratches, but thick scratches. I feel as if this glass is defective or something with how quickly and seemingly easily it has scratched.
Is there anything I can do to exchange the phone, buff the scratches, or get rid of them?

Here are some photos of the scratches, granted the camera doesnt really capture it as well.
https://imgur.com/gallery/OtuAt

Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.

Tristan1302 said:
Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.
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It was not on the phone when opening the box and no it has not shown any signs of sand on it. Just scratches appearing.

The scratches cannot appears like that, something has scratched your phone, I have it for 1 month and there is ont a single scratch on the screen, it's really strange...

2 weeks, as new.
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You're not alone. I found several lower left side. Frustrating to say the least!
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I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.
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That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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theprfct10 said:
That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.
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Thanks!
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MarkerBeanXDA said:
Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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I´ve never had a scratch with iphones before, for years, obviously not counting when my iphone 5s fell to the floor

It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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BarryH_GEG said:
It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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Dude he's just making a comparison that's all.
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New and Updated - OTAO Glass Screen Protector Works Great!

]I purchased this glass screen protector back when the S9 Plus was originally released and it worked great. I loved it. BUT, I had some issues with Dropped Calls on my S9 Plus and had to return the phone. I just received the replacement phone and I had no trouble making the decision to getting the OTAO glass screen protector again.
I was very surprised and pleased to discover that they had made some additional improvements to what already was an awesome glass screen protector. From what I understand, they added additional adhesvive around the edges. NO this is not a full screen adhesive, but I found that It really doesn't need full screen adhesive to be effective. I have installed this screen protector and use a case (Ringke Fushion) and it works GREAT.
No loss in touch responsiveness - no issues at all - They do inlcude a plastic guide that helps to facilitate proper installation and I have found that the plastic guides really do help to insure the screen protector is placed properly - perfectly centered on the screen.
So I give my highest reccomendations for the OTAO Glass Screen Protector - NEW AND IMPROVED.
https://www.amazon.com/Protector-OTAO-Tempered-Installation-Friendly/dp/B07BSFLLKY/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Pictures? Full adhesive or just the edges?
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And a link?
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This is an edge adhesive protector, not full adhesive.

Can you post some pictures & link to the product ?

rajhot said:
Can you post some pictures & link to the product ?
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I got the sane one. Ill post some tomorrow

crzycrkr said:
Pictures? Full adhesive or just the edges?
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I don't have pictures yet - but will get some taken when my wife gets home (or maybe tomorow) the link is: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079JV6ZYF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It has adhesive on the edges only - but it holds very well - No lift at all from the case I am using and the case rides up pretty high on the corners and the edges and doesn't cause any issues at all. The glass seems to be full coverage from what I can tell. It is a very good screen protector..

How is touch sensitivity with this protector? Do you need to increased touch sensitivity in the settings to use it well?

Found this one on amazon... https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07B...l+adhesive&dpPl=1&dpID=41RhK1whyLL&ref=plSrch

If it's not full adhesive don't waste your money. Honestly people, I wasted so much money trying to find one for the S7 EDGE two years ago.
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trenzterra said:
How is touch sensitivity with this protector? Do you need to increased touch sensitivity in the settings to use it well?
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Touch sensitivity is great and no, I did not change the touch sensitivity frm whatever the default settings were. It is now day three - I have the S9 Plus in a Case (RIngke Crystal Fusion) and I have had ZERO problems with the OTAO Glass Screen Protector.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with glass screen protectors that don't offer full adhesives on the glass. The manufacturers like OTAO have learned to put the right amount of adhesive around the edges (there is more now than that they used to put on them a long time ago) and with the plastic GUIDE they provide to help you install the glass properly, there are considerably less issues than way back when curved screens were first out.
the key to glass screen protectors working on curved screens is proper placement. The screen protector has to be exactly centered on the screen. if it is too far to one side or another (even by only a little) that is when you have issues with the case pushing up on the screen or poor responsiveness when typing or whatever.
PLACEMENT - it is absolutely critical. That's why having the plastic guide included with the OTAO (and other similar glass screen protectors) helps to insure a good installation and quality protection that is really affordable.

Guys I bought the same screen protector. Here's some photos in the Poetic Revolution case. I'll add my thoughts. The screen protector is very nice. The tray guard made it pretty easy to install. Its not a full adhesive protector so the glue is around the sides. Make sure when installing you press hard around all the black edges to make it seal better. Its a dot matrix protector but the dots aren't easily seen so it must be a newer type. Make sure to turn up the screen sensitivity for screen protectors in the settings and it makes it like its not even there. The edges really smooth right over the sides. The one I had on my pixel 2 xl didn't do this and had sharper edges and made dust stick to them. This one is so much better. It also fits perfectly inside the Poetic Revolution case with the built-in protector popped out.
Photos Link: https://imgur.com/a/eQjJR
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The ESR I have is nice, but the glue strip can be seen on the sides. Although it is "clear", you can still see it and touch sensitivity sucks even with the enhanced option on. I will return it and try another one.

dayloon said:
This is an edge adhesive protector, not full adhesive.
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Hola
IMHO all edge based adhesive glass protectors are a waste of your valuable money. Stick with TPU wet / dry film or maybe Whitestone Dome LOCA based tempered glass protectors.

QAM said:
Hola
IMHO all edge based adhesive glass protectors are a waste of your valuable money. Stick with TPU wet / dry film or maybe Whitestone Dome LOCA based tempered glass protectors.
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You are entitled to your opinion - frankly I have found that many edge only screen protectors work really well. It's all about getting it installed properly - I don't see glue on the edges of the one I am using - and don't get dust there either. I haven't changed settings at all and touch sensitivity and responsiveness is great. Absolutely no complaints.
(now I have tried some edge only protectors that sucked - they click when you type on the keyboard or wouldn't let you type the letters on the far left or right) but when the manufacturers started including guides for installation and increased the glue around the edges, the quality of many of them ended up getting much better.

Geekser said:
I installed a Glass Screen Protector from OTAO as soon as my S9 Plus arrived today and I have to say I am extremely impressed with the fit and quality of this glass screen protector.
It is the XLAMBO version - extra thick glass that essentially makes it much harder to crack when you drop your phone. Installation was very easy with the included plastic guide and I lose absolutely no responsiveness at all - the screen works as well as it did before I installed the Otao Glass Screen protector.
I also installed a case with this Screen Protector and there is zero interference from the case at all, it doesn't raise the glass up at the corners or sides like some other glass screen protectors have had problems with. and the price was very reasonable - under $12 bucks. Of course they include a full warranty so you don't have to worry if the glass does crack while protecting your phone.
The glass screen protector comes down very close to the sides of the phone, giving you full coverage - with a case on, it seems and feels like there is no space at all, all the way around the phone, top, bottom, sides and corners.
I am using the RINGKE Clear Fusion Case but I am confident it will work a bunch of other cases as well
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I cannot find the XLAMBO version of OTAO on amazon at all. Where did you buy it at?

Amazon. I am not sure if it is a special type or if they are all the same. If you ask them on Amazon I am sure they can help you. Good luck

Chris_c81 said:
If it's not full adhesive don't waste your money. Honestly people, I wasted so much money trying to find one for the S7 EDGE two years ago.
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Lol, I bought a 3x pack from a generic Chinese ebay seller for about 2 bucks and they worked perfectly. No bubbles, no scratches, adhered to edges perfectly, and 0 touch sensitivity issues.

000Nick said:
Lol, I bought a 3x pack from a generic Chinese ebay seller for about 2 bucks and they worked perfectly. No bubbles, no scratches, adhered to edges perfectly, and 0 touch sensitivity issues.
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How's the adhesive? all the ones I tried, it BARELY hangs on. Can you see if it is easy to lift up? Link us to yours.