Has anyone gotten CM running on the Z3 yet? Im planning on picking one up next week and if no one else has done it yet, Ill start porting CM over to it right away. Its quite similar to the Z2 hardware-wise, should Im hoping it should be pretty painless (famous last words).
Ill open a up a dedicated topic or a devDb project or whatever when the time comes.
I have a repo going here
One issue is that the codename for the device (Leo) is already taken by an old HTC device (htc_leo). We have to figure out a different naming scheme in order to avoid conflicts.
I imagine @jerpelea will be working on this straight away. I was with him this weekend at the XDADevcon14 and spoke to him. He has a Z3 so I expect a freexperia version soon enough.
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I imagine @jerpelea will be working on this straight away. I was with him this weekend at the XDADevcon14 and spoke to him. He has a Z3 so I expect a freexperia version soon enough.
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Would be awesome, though perhaps Ill be able to beat him to it and have it running by the time I get my Z3 on Tuesday. I have a feeling Alin has his hands full with all sorts of other efforts at Sony.
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Would be awesome, though perhaps Ill be able to beat him to it and have it running by the time I get my Z3 on Tuesday. I have a feeling Alin has his hands full with all sorts of other efforts at Sony.
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Yes, it will be good to get an early port, but I am sure he will do it as well for completeness and for the development.
I am getting my Z3 on Tuesday as well
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Yes, it will be good to get an early port, but I am sure he will do it as well for completeness and for the development.
I am getting my Z3 on Tuesday as well
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I hope you're right. To be honest, I kinda hoped for a Z3 device config release on Sony's Github page when the Z3 was released. Im hence not assuming that we will get anything for free here Luckily the Z2 and Z3 are really similar hardware wise so the porting effort shouldnt be that difficult.
Really? Cm on a z3. Total ruin a perfect device.
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Really? Cm on a z3. Total ruin a perfect device.
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Each their own. Many prefer a stock Android experience. The awesome thing about Android is that you can choose
To each their own is right but why waste the money. Buy a POS running 4.4 and throw CM on as long as the hardware is there.
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To each their own is right but why waste the money. Buy a POS running 4.4 and throw CM on as long as the hardware is there.
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Because the hardware in the Z3 is better than most other devices out there. I find it hard to believe that most people cash out for the Z3 due to it's wonderful Sony bloatware...
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Because the hardware in the Z3 is better than most other devices out there. I find it hard to believe that most people cash out for the Z3 due to it's wonderful Sony bloatware...
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I have to agree with you ... I love the Z3, it will be my next phone, however I'm a sucker for stock Android !!
Do you lose a lot of camera features if you use CM?
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Because the hardware in the Z3 is better than most other devices out there. I find it hard to believe that most people cash out for the Z3 due to it's wonderful Sony bloatware...
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As previously stated, to each their own. My personal choice is not to throw CM on a Z3 and lose camera and drm keys. Sony "bloatware" can simply be disabled.
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As previously stated, to each their own. My personal choice is not to throw CM on a Z3 and lose camera and drm keys. Sony "bloatware" can simply be disabled.
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Yeah it can be disabled but not removed. Also, by "throwing CM" on a Z3 you not only get the bleeding edge of Android but as a developer you get to directly contribute to the operating system running on your device. Thats pretty awesome.
You do loose the Sony Camera app as it requires the Sony Framework to function. However, I prefer living without the gimmicky features, but thats me.
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Whatever your thoughts, there are ways to express them without sounding like a douche. This was not one.
I have had a Nexus 4 and 5 and CM is fantastic. It's vanilla android but with more options and the small niggles fixed. Sony's framework is a mixed bag, some great apps and customisations but quite a lot of crap too. I can totally see why some people would want to get rid of that and run a nice clean vanilla instead. It certainly doesn't 'ruin' a device, just changes it.
ive never been a fan of Cyanogenmod, even when I had the Nexus 5 i never understood what the fuss was about it. All I encountered was bugs. Sure there's up to date stuff, but by putting CM on a Sony phone, most of the stuff that was made to go with the Z3 and sony's operating system will be useless. the money will be wasted IMO.
Kinda late to the discussion but:
wouldn't CM or any other custom ROM affect the battery life?
As far as I can tell the battery life of the z3 is so good because sony uses a mode in which only active parts of the display are constantly refreshed. This is a software feature, isn't it? So if I flash CM I would loose that feature.
Yes you will lose stamina mode if you flash CM
thank you for your reply, gregbradley
Your reply is about stamina mode, which is a great feature, but not what I was actually curious about.
what I meant is this:
The improved battery sipping is partly due to the Snapdragon 801 processor and a clever display technology that remembers what's on screen, saving the need to reload what you were just looking at every time you go back to it.
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source: digitalspy.co uk "sony-xperia-z3-review-the-best-android-device-around"
my Question is if this is a software or a hardware feature and if I would loose it due to CM
Stamina mode is a restriction for apps that run in background while the screen is turned off.
at least, that's what it says on the sony homepage:
With Battery STAMINA Mode turned on, the background activities of most applications are reduced when you turn off the screen.
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Starting one minute after the screen has been turned off, data traffic is automatically blocked and background activities are prevented from waking up the system. And then when you turn on the screen, the activities will resume again instantly. And as the IP address for your phone is kept, you will immediately have network access. This all makes it possible to bring you notifications when you need them and have time to look at the screen, and not while the phone is tucked away.
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source: developer sonymobile "how-sonys-battery-stamina-mode-works"
This awesome feature is easily accomplished with automation apps like tasker or automagic. So I wouldn't care if CM removes Stamina Mode.
edit: Because of my limited post-count on xda I am not allowed to post outside links in my posts so I had to obscure the sources. Sorry
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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
Peace
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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
JD
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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That's the USP for you.
For me, it's the hardware: thin, sleek, light. Dual-core. HDMI (or equivalent) +++ Unlockable boot-loader.
The hardware of the rival phones isn't as good and, quite a few manufacturers are in full lock-down mode these days.
Well, that was my thought exactly, that removing Touchwiz will remove all of the cool features and application support. To perhaps better serve your needs, it would be cooler to swap the launcher as suggested by many wise people here. This will give you a better UX while retaining the app support.
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
Well, since it is Android, you are more than welcome to do so. Although, more than the critical functionality, the features you are PAYING for are being stripped away. It would be better that you find a Rom that adds these features (motion sensing, etc.) while removing the "Crapware" from the device.
Even if the SGS doesn't have a fully functional cyanogenmod, it has lot's of ROM's that remove touchwiz and crapware.
And CM7 is closer than ever from being stable on SGS, and there's actually a MIUI beta. I would say that the SGS2 will have a good dev support and we'll have a lot of choices in ROM's.
If not, there's always launchers like ADW, launcherpro, Regina...
That should be the least of your worries.
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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Got u
Thank you and everyone else for ur input
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
i was wishing for the ability to use bt joypads to play me some emus but i guess its a no go then
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
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that's a good point
i hope samsung will release the drivers
I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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But then that would require some standardization. Or every phone maker will have to issue set of drivers that users will have to bake themselves into the rom before flashing the same.
I dont think phone industry is or will be ready for that any time soon.
And you are paying for everything that comes on phone whether you like it or not. Everything costs something and it comes out of your pocket (or Samsung on some parts for superiority claims ).
AOSP usually rolls out faster for HTC phones (most of which share same DNA inside ) or sister devices of Google devices as its much easier.
Expecting AOSP for something as heavily modified as Galaxy S range quickly is unrealistic.
If your beef is against just TWUI launcher, its relatively easy to roll back to stock android launcher by just defaulting to stock android home (easy to do from Manage Applications ).
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
Honestly the whole update thing is a mess anyway.
Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
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Well, to each his own. But that's what I like about Android - choice. There's something for everyone.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
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That's true. The only thing stock does in that respect is make updates a little easier.
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Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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You're right about the GB update, even though it was pulled again, but their track record is still pretty bad. Let's all hope it isn't just a fluke.
Bottom line is that most phone vendors care about selling new hardware, for them, updates are a mixed blessing. Too few and nobody will buy their current phones, too many and nobody will want to buy the new model.
I currently have a z2 which I love, but have a few issues with it. I am hoping someone that had a z2 can chime in and let me know if some things have been fixed on 4.4.4 For example, sometimes for no reason whatsoever my wifi wont connect, it wont even enable sometimes. I read that 4.4.4 fixes that. Since the z3 ships with 4.4.4 I was hoping that some of these problems have been solved. Calls on the z2 via speakphone are just plain impossible as well. The other caller hears nothing but echos, with or without noise supression on and trying all the different call settings. The earpiece is also pretty quiet, which can be frustrating in loud environments. I also find that web pages constantly have to reload with google chrome (which drives me insane!!!) and something I think should not be a problem with 3gb of ram. Also whats the deal with the auto brightness barely functioning on the z2? I wake up in the morning and am blinded by pure UV rays coming out of my phone screen, but when I go outside I cant see the screen. Auto brightness does not work well at all for me.
The last nail in the coffin for me is that I only have 16gb of storage and am already maxed out. I have a few big games that hog memory, but all of my media is on my external sd card. Does the z3 have the ability to store apps on the sd card?
I am hoping some of these issues are resolved, otherwise I will have to jump to the nexus, which I am not so sure about. I love my sony phone.
We all dont still have the update yet on our Z2 with 4.4.4 so we cannot said if something is fixed like the small issues, we can know that if we have and running on 4.4.4 !
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There's a 4.4.4 leak in the dev section and I was hoping someone grabbed the z3 already.
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There's a 4.4.4 leak in the dev section and I was hoping someone grabbed the z3 already.
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We saw that already !
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1. alot of these big anoying problems has been resolved by sony in 4.4.4 simply because people complained about them
2. 4.4.4 Isnt even out yet
3. if you think nexus is better for you then go for it, patience is needed sometimes and often with Xperias concidering 2014 has been the roughest year for Sony, losing 2.1 bln and also a huge loss in fans/customers after Z2 release
problems are here and sony is fixing them
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3. if you think nexus is better for you then go for it, patience is needed sometimes and often with Xperias concidering 2014 has been the roughest year for Sony, losing 2.1 bln and also a huge loss in fans/customers after Z2 release
problems are here and sony is fixing them
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3. doesn't matter, we got Jerpelea now Sony just needs to get their sh** together on the hardware side and we may look into a bright future!
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2014 has been the roughest year for Sony, losing 2.1 bln and also a huge loss in fans/customers after Z2 release
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Indeed 2014 is a rough year for Sony at the moment but Sony get back asap and that for real hard !! ^^
I will and stay a true supporter to Sony for sure
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3. doesn't matter, we got Jerpelea now Sony just needs to get their sh** together on the hardware side and we may look into a bright future!
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well lets hope he sees all our problems in XDA and relays back to the development teams of the stock rom
which seems to be the case
Pandemic said:
Indeed 2014 is a rough year for Sony at the moment but Sony get back asap and that for real hard !! ^^
I will and stay a true supporter to Sony for sure
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Nokia 3310>Nokia N95>Xperia S>Xperia Z2
all my phones ever
never going to any other brand sony is great because our XDA developers are kind and sony continues fighting some how
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sony is great because our XDA developers are kind ......
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Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
Some ROM cookers even quit XDA and went to other boards because the harassment became to big, everyone was accusing others of stealing their tweaks and insulting others till mods banned all
Those were the days!
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Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
Some ROM cookers even quit XDA and went to other boards because the harassment became to big, everyone was accusing others of stealing their tweaks and insulting others till mods banned all
Those were the days!
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hmm guess i am being ignorant
there are some people here in XDA being EXTREMLY RUDE!
and some people stealing of course..
i instinctivly ignore bad things for some reason... just had to take a look around without my glasses on.
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Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
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@Haldi4803
Hmm the good old Xperia X10i days some years ago, then you should know me also, i was working with my brother @Wolfbreak on his rom to fix some stuff with succes and still working and talking with him sometimes,
He is the member that i know as the longest here and then brother @serajr came also 4 almost 5 years ago ^^
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well lets hope he sees all our problems in XDA and relays back to the development teams of the stock rom
which seems to be the case
Nokia 3310>Nokia N95>Xperia S>Xperia Z2
all my phones ever
never going to any other brand sony is great because our XDA developers are kind and sony continues fighting some how
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Well that hope is true and XDA is a great for us Stock Rom modders ^^
Well i never use another brand this are my previous device of Sony (Ericsson)
K500i > K700i >K750i > K800i > K810i > S500i > W580i > W850i
Then came Android:
Xperia: X10i > Neo V > P > Z and now Z2
Sony is always fighting back as we know and smash the other brands into the ground.
Sony is just the best in my eyes !
Sent From My Personal MW Revolution On My Xperia Z2
Using .314 and don't have any issues. No WiFi disconnect, earpiece speakers sounds excellent, great camera. My next phone will definitely be another Sony.
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@Haldi4803
Hmm the good old Xperia X10i days some years ago, then you should know me also, i was working with my brother @Wolfbreak on his rom to fix some stuff with succes and still working and talking with him sometimes,
He is the member that i know as the longest here and then brother @serajr came also 4 almost 5 years ago ^^
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@Pandemic
My names memory is somewhat bad.
But I do remember The Wolfbreaks ROMs. He's still alive ? xD greetings to him. And my thanks to you guys for creating such awesome ROMs.
P.S
When everyone is doing it
T68i>S700i>W580>C905>X10i>Z>Z2 xD
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Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
Some ROM cookers even quit XDA and went to other boards because the harassment became to big, everyone was accusing others of stealing their tweaks and insulting others till mods banned all
Those were the days!
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I think what you meant to say was "those were the dark days "
As for 2014 being a bad one for Sony, well it's hardly surprising when a company makes idiotic choices, they pay a penalty for it. Releasing a new flashship phone every six months was bound to create the sort of confusion that would a) scare some potential customers away
b) piss the hell out of existing customers
c)devalue the brand to the point where it becomes painful purchasing their devices
Sony is an old school company struggling to fully embrace the new world order. Look what's happened to the other old schoolers Nokia, Blackberry, Sony Ericsson. They all failed as commercial entities. Sony bought out Ericsson and we hoped that would usher in a new dawn and philosophy. Things at first seemed promising but they've reverted back to type.
It won't be long at this rate when Sony ends up selling it's mobile division to the Chinese lol! It's failing and something drastic needs to happen. The z4 is looking now like a very important device. Make or break indeed! They really can't afford any screw ups there.
Don't get me wrong they've done Ok at times. The Z was very successful because of the novelty of waterproofing.
The Z2 was top notch but was delayed and by the time it became widely available, rumours of the z3 totally killed off its chances.
In between these two good releases, we had the underwhelming Z1 and the pointless Z3.
"One step forward and two steps backwards " should be written on the tomb stone of Sony mobile if it doesn't survive.
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Sony clearly stated that they are not suffering because of their flagship range. They devalued their low-mid range portfolio by writing off goodwill. It has ZERO relation to the Z series.
It seems the 6 months cycle does work. They've been doing it since 2011 and never had to devalue their flagship range.
a) First time I heard that 6 months cycle "scares" customers. Maybe you solely?
b) As above
c) I don't know whether you're basing this on your perspective or overall customer's. Normal human don't feel pain when buying phones with a 6 months cycle:
-It's a just a phone
-No one changes phone half-yearly
And I don't find Sony selling its mobile division to Chinese companies funny.
Again it's based on your personal perception that the Z1 was underwhelming and Z3 was pointless.
Z2 was targeted at Z users and the Z3 was for Z.
If you do not like Sony, instead of waiting the board space of your rants, go get the Galaxy smartphone. I'm sure the fingerprint sensor is revolutionary and excites you!
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I think what you meant to say was "those were the dark days "
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They were dark, but also great!
The first 60hz hack for the Screen! Or all the attempts on multi touch and 32m color.
And all those brand new 2.2 roms without camera... fully working 1080p fotos xD
But i agree with the 6Month cycle problem.
If i ask around a lot of people have a Iphone6 or a Galaxy S5 because it is something. Everyone knows its good... its a status symbol.
If you have a 6 Months cycle your phone is old! Even if you just bought it. Even if the technical details arent much different.
Btw, hasnt sony mobile written red numbers for a few years now?
But i agree with the 6Month cycle problem.
If i ask around a lot of people have a Iphone6 or a Galaxy S5 because it is something. Everyone knows its good... its a status symbol.
If you have a 6 Months cycle your phone is old! Even if you just bought it. Even if the technical details arent much different.
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They actually posted a small profit last year but that was because of the original Z's sales riding high on the waterproof wave! Remember the 5 million units sold in 60 days.
Unfortunately it was a momentum they squandered soon after with the z1. The z2 had a chance of matching and even beating that but delays scuppered its progress.
I'm hopefully they'll have something worthwhile with the z4. Let's just hope they release it early like they did with the Z and not cripple it with rumours following shortly after of another flagship in September.
Sony's running out of time to keep making idiotic mistakes. It's a philosophical thing. There are just some people there at Sony convinced that they can break through doing what they're doing now. I'm sure there'll also be some voices calling for a change in direction. Let's hope those voices get heard. No company can sustain losses indefinitely.
I'm already at the end of my tether and unless I see official word from Sony confirming that the 6 month cycle is no more, I'll be going with the s6 next year. No htc for me, they're just another idiotic company that think metal is the answer to all the world's ills lol.
Having said that, the new oppo with its very slim profile looks delicious but I think I'll pass on that.
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Again it's based on your personal perception that the Z1 was underwhelming and Z3 was pointless.
Z2 was targeted at Z users and the Z3 was for Z.
If you do not like Sony, instead of waiting the board space of your rants, go get the Galaxy smartphone. I'm sure the fingerprint sensor is revolutionary and excites you!
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You must be living under a rock. The Internet is littered with frustration at the 6 month cycle. Be that websites, YouTube, Google plus etc. Again and again you'll find frustration with this policy.
Even Sony execs keep getting challenged every time they do interviews. It's reported that one of them said recently that it was unsustainable.
Not devaluing the brand? Won't even bother answering that.
Yes mine was a rant but it was more logical than the fanboy nonsense you just spouted!
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Your post lack depth. Again, Sony clearly stated that their flagship did not affect their earnings. As simple as that. Either I trust Sony's internal performance auditors or trust you? lol.
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Your post lack depth. Again, Sony clearly stated that their flagship did not affect their earnings. As simple as that. Either I trust Sony's internal performance auditors or trust you? lol.
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/10/30/sony-replaces-head-of-mobile-division/
Don't care who you trust. The original Z was the last successful flashship from Sony. They're just trying to blame their failings on the mid range segment to avoid damaging the rep of their flashships.
The problem is ubiquitous! The iPhone 6 sold more in a weekend than the z3 will sell in its entire lifespan! In fact make that two life times!
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Lol trying assert unverified fact from an unreliable person. It's ok, it's normal, go get an iPhone and stop terrorising The Z2 forumz
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With Sony's awesome commitment to having buildable AOSP ROMs for many of their phones hosted on Github, you would think that the ROM community would be abuzz with development. Why is it that there are only a few AOSP choices?
I would love a Google Play Edition-style ROM for the Z3C. Anyone else?
yes me too really don't know why.. only thing I can think is that there are just a few devs having this phone.. many goes for samsung crap!! :crying:
Probably because unlocking the bootloader kills some of the enhancements that make it such a good phone. To be successful, third party ROMs need to offer clear benefits without hobbling features.
Also, Sony's ROMs are clean (like Motorola's). So Sony users aren't trying to escape a bulky overlay like TouchWiz or HTC's Sense.
xd1936 said:
With Sony's awesome commitment to having buildable AOSP ROMs for many of their phones hosted on Github, you would think that the ROM community would be abuzz with development. Why is it that there are only a few AOSP choices?
I would love a Google Play Edition-style ROM for the Z3C. Anyone else?
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My suspicion is that, because people often want to work on the latest thing, we missed the boat because of how long it took to root without losing DRM keys.
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Probably because unlocking the bootloader kills some of the enhancements that make it such a good phone.
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What enhancements? lol
I would pick a GPE over Sony's any day. I'm still blaming google for making the N6 too damn big
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Probably because unlocking the bootloader kills some of the enhancements that make it such a good phone. To be successful, third party ROMs need to offer clear benefits without hobbling features.
Also, Sony's ROMs are clean (like Motorola's). So Sony users aren't trying to escape a bulky overlay like TouchWiz or HTC's Sense.
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How clean is "clean"? I'm looking for a replacement for my 2013 Moto X, and this is one of the phones that piqued my interest.
I had two 2013 Moto X phones. The Z3 Compact is exactly the device I always wanted the Moto X to be. And then some.
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we missed the boat because of how long it took to root without losing DRM keys.
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Totally agree with you.
At the beginning there were many devs which couldn't unlock because of warranty risks. :crying:
I guess this is the only reason, as the device is really fantastic.
Yes, now we are a good number and keep growing... but, actually, we are almost good users, nothing more...
WE NEED MORE DEVELOPERS
...and if there wasn't a reward for root, nothing would have happened so far. That's the sad truth...
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I had two 2013 Moto X phones. The Z3 Compact is exactly the device I always wanted the Moto X to be. And then some.
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That's encouraging! Thanks for the thoughts. As a big fan of the Google Play Edition devices, I was hesitant to go for a phone with Sony's customization. Glad to hear they're not too intrusive.
not too intrusive, actually i even like the UI, but still dozens of bloat/useless stuff.. btw you can debloat it so not a big deal
For me I would love to see slimroms kitkat for our device, I would sacrifice DRM for that. But saying that I would be happy if someone could integrate notification bar brightness control and proper dark UI theme
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How clean is "clean"? I'm looking for a replacement for my 2013 Moto X, and this is one of the phones that piqued my interest.
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I have several devices including the 2013 Moto X and the Z3C. The Moto X is very close to stock Google Android. The Z3C does not have a heavy skin on it but it does have a lot of bloatware, although you can disable some of it. I put a third party launcher (Nova) on the Z3C because I don't like the left pane slide out window Sony uses, and I like a few other Nova features. Frankly, if the Moto X had the battery life of the Z3C I would prefer using the Moto X. I think it just feels better when holding it. However, the Z3C looks good and runs well (better specs than the Moto too) so it is a good choice too. It just does not feel very secure when handling it due to the glass back.
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I have several devices including the 2013 Moto X and the Z3C. The Moto X is very close to stock Google Android. The Z3C does not have a heavy skin on it but it does have a lot of bloatware, although you can disable some of it. I put a third party launcher (Nova) on the Z3C because I don't like the left pane slide out window Sony uses, and I like a few other Nova features. Frankly, if the Moto X had the battery life of the Z3C I would prefer using the Moto X. I think it just feels better when holding it. However, the Z3C looks good and runs well (better specs than the Moto too) so it is a good choice too. It just does not feel very secure when handling it due to the glass back.
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Lots of good thoughts, thanks for the insight.
People's phone
There is no escaping the "people's phone".
Gal*xy and iph*ne will always have more development. They have good products, but has hard as other company try, there is no escaping the imitation game.
i used galaxy s2 before. even there's no sourcecode of crappy exynos processors there are a lot of custom roms working flawlesly for galaxy series. sony gives us every code that developers need but there's no custom rom for us, by the way cm is working with a lot of bugs.. hope we will see more custom rom for our z3c..
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Totally agree with you.
At the beginning there were many devs which couldn't unlock because of warranty risks. :crying:
I guess this is the only reason, as the device is really fantastic.
Yes, now we are a good number and keep growing... but, actually, we are almost good users, nothing more...
WE NEED MORE DEVELOPERS
...and if there wasn't a reward for root, nothing would have happened so far. That's the sad truth...
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Well continuing with the idea that devs need financial motivation, cus I know I do for most things in life haha. My previous phone was the lg g2, and I recall at least one Dev was donated a phone so he could work on making Roms for it.
Would it be unreasonable to perhaps try the same thing here? Same theory as the root bounty and all that.
I know, I know. No questions in General. But the question is meant to start a discussion/hopefully start a collective of people willing to solve a GENERAL problem (see what I did there? )
Anyway, bad puns aside, on to the point: why are we not? No company likes negative press or even the thought of negative press. We don't like not having AOSP/Vanilla Android ROMs on this beast of a device (not to mention **** battery life, kind of sad theme options in a restricted environment). They need to do is release proper documentation for the Exynos 7 SoC. We're here BECAUSE open-source.
So it brings me back to the question: Why have we not even TRIED to twist Samsung's arm in this respect? The research I've done shows the last time anyone even attempted this was waaaay back in 2012. Seemed like SOME headway was made, but seems like it all just fell off the face of the Earth. This issue transcends the G920/5x models, as Samsung has made it pretty obvious that Exynos will be the SoC of choice going forward. Meaning this sets a precedent where the future of the most popular line of Android devices does not support developing anything but TouchWiz, which stunts the open-source nature of the OS it is built upon, and really invalidates the POINT of buying an Android phone instead of an iPhone. You want to give us TouchWiz, great! They've made amazing improvements to this UI and I'm sure they'll continue polishing it. Again, it's an Android. That's an offering most people will love. We shouldn't be forced to use it.
So. To wrap this up, I will be reaching out to Samsung personally and attempting to source this documentation. I have NO idea what I am doing. It would help immensely if the community would jump into this and help out. The more of us reach out, the louder our voice will be. If they refuse to cooperate, we attack on Twitter, Facebook, etc.
tl;dr - I want AOSP on my Samsung phone. This one and future ones. I know you do too. Let's do something about it.
If we get AOSP we'll loose great camera preformance and some unique Samsung apps (for example I love s planner, it's the cleanest calendar I've ever used), without great camera and some unique features actually nexus devices look better in terms of price, SD support.
That's my opinion why people stick with touchwiz and want to improve it rather than going straight for AOSP.
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They finally need to resolve the ram management on this device.. otherwise touchwiz is fine after debloating it a bit....
And the OS must be optimised.. I don't feel the awesome specs of this device are being making use of..
I used aosp on my S4 but kept on going back to touchwiz because of the Camera and other few things.
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Why not go buy something else instead of starting a negative rant thread? That's the best way to get Samsung's attention. They aren't forcing you to buy their stuff.
It's a matter of preference. Some people, myself included, like touchwiz. Keep in mind, no one is forcing you to buy samsung or any brand for that matter. Respectfully, if you want aosp, you have the choice of buying nexus or gpe's.
I don't really get why people are complaining about the ram issue. The way I multitask is I turn the app into a bubble then open my primary app. It works flawlessly on my side.
On my previous phones, I have tried every sort of AOSP ROM ranging from CM to PA to whatever experimental stuff that came out that day. There was a time where I was running a different ROM every day.
My phones were always unstable, things were not working, crashing all the time. Most of the original features that came with the phone were not working. I finally got tired of it. Since I got this S6, I haven't even rooted it. I'm just running stock and I'm loving it. Everything just works.
Sure the RAM thing is a minor annoyance but nothing major. Apps launch almost instantly anyway. I wouldn't go back to AOSP even if it was possible. I love a using a phone that works 100%.
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I don't really get why people are complaining about the ram issue. The way I multitask is I turn the app into a bubble then open my primary app. It works flawlessly on my side.
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how do you do that?
Umm, you swipe from the top most of the app(left or right) down and it will shrink down the app. From there, you can then choose the minimize button so that it turns into a bubble. This will only work for portrait only app.
Wellwhack me with a rusty crowbar didn't know you could do that cheers jhayzt ?
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Wellwhack me with a rusty crowbar didn't know you could do that cheers jhayzt ��
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0.0 You have to be kidding me right? I mean, its been there since day one. Its one of my favorite feature that only came with the Note 4 and I'm glad that Samsung brought it to the S6.
Seriously didn't know about it itwill make life much easier, thanks again
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Seriously didn't know about it itwill make life much easier, thanks again
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:highfive: Multitasking problem solved.
Yes indeed happy days
Im not a developer myself but I suppose they are going to release some information about exynos 7420 http://howchip.com/ExSOM-7420-eMM.php
Didn't expect to get any replies LOL.
Everyone telling me to get a different phone or to just not buy Samsung to "teach em a lesson," yeah. Samsung doesnt care about $1000 lol.
To me it's about the principle of android vs what Samsung has turned it all into. But I mean to each their own, I just bought the phone for the amazing screen and the way it looks. I planned to install CM from the getgo. I suppose it's on me for not doing my research in regards to ROMs for the phone in the first place.
That howchip link...seriously? They're actually going to do this? HUZZAH!
Huh do you think AOSP roms gonna improve your phone battery life...
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Huh do you think AOSP roms gonna improve your phone battery life...
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I've always had poor battery performance on AOSP ROMs in comparison to TW based ROMs.
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Im not a developer myself but I suppose they are going to release some information about exynos 7420 http://howchip.com/ExSOM-7420-eMM.php
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I think that's not enough
Saw this and thought I'd share.
http://www.mobipicker.com/xperia-z5-z4-z3-z2-m5-c5-android-marshmallow
Looks like we'll have to wait a bit longer.
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Eugh, I hope they make it worthwhile
Oh yeah!, again. Sony needs to let the rest of brands to update their phones first, so they again will be on last place updating.
Maybe not a trusted source.
Oh my god, what are they even doing so long? Their system is nearly as clear as stock, why it takes them so long to release it? And "no bugs" is not an excuse, some devices now have Marshmallowa and it's not bugged, so it really starts to annoy me...
If it's true, it will probably be my first and my last Sony phone.
-Can't unlock the bootloader without losing key features
-Slower to roll out updates than Samsung... Yeah Samsung!
All they seem to update lately = their bloatware and apps nobody cares about.
Seriously, I'm disappointed. Should have purchased a Nexus 6P like I wanted to...
6 months to update Android? Seriously Sony? Half a year to update your almost stock ROM? Are you fuc**** kidding me? Hobbyist XDA developers do a better job than you
Actually no, they don't. In majority of cases when Sony rolls out new ROM it's patched and optimized more than systems rushed to devices by other companies. And please, do tell how many phone already have a decently working Marshmallow?
Not to mention the "everything works, besides camera, calls and also random reboots" ROMs from community. Post-release - yeah, they do magic with Sony's ROMs delivering top functionality, but homecooked systems before official release mostly suck.
I do however agree that their DRM policy sucks. Whole none of the features lost are "key" ones for me, tying photo algorithms to bootloader is terrible.
it's my third Sony phone and it probably will be my last... camera on Z5 is not good as promised, power button is awful and now the update....
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If it's true, it will probably be my first and my last Sony phone.
-Can't unlock the bootloader without losing key features
-Slower to roll out updates than Samsung... Yeah Samsung!
All they seem to update lately = their bloatware and apps nobody cares about.
Seriously, I'm disappointed. Should have purchased a Nexus 6P like I wanted to...
6 months to update Android? Seriously Sony? Half a year to update your almost stock ROM? Are you fuc**** kidding me? Hobbyist XDA developers do a better job than you
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Phazonclash said:
If it's true, it will probably be my first and my last Sony phone.
-Can't unlock the bootloader without losing key features
-Slower to roll out updates than Samsung... Yeah Samsung!
All they seem to update lately = their bloatware and apps nobody cares about.
Seriously, I'm disappointed. Should have purchased a Nexus 6P like I wanted to...
6 months to update Android? Seriously Sony? Half a year to update your almost stock ROM? Are you fuc**** kidding me? Hobbyist XDA developers do a better job than you
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Same here, my 1st Sony phone and definitely will be the last
http://www.justaboutphones.com/sony-xperia-z5-z5-compact-z5-premium-z3-marshmallow-6-0-update/ maybe sooner
Reading some of the posts I'm gonna post my little rant here.
About the fingerprint sensor. When it works, it works very well. Often times it doesn't work for me. I have to add my finger multiple times to the prints list. Hopefully Qualcomm's new tech let's it work even with sweaty fingers. Maybe they should move the sensor to the back and have it the size of iPhone home button. And of course the DRM key thing. Should go back to drawing board with unlocking bootloader
This is blogspam. There's no proof or source at all. Somebody close this thread. Besides, 6.0 was just finalized and being uploaded. Expect it in less than a week, aka LATE JANUARY
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Saw this and thought I'd share.
http://www.mobipicker.com/xperia-z5-z4-z3-z2-m5-c5-android-marshmallow
Looks like we'll have to wait a bit longer.
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We can assume what model is Xperia 2 Tablet. It can be Xperia Z2 Tablet. But what model is M4? I don't remember M4 is presented at all.
Z3+ is mobile phone from Z4 family but it is placed in Z3 family.
This source or article is unreliable.
Are z5 phones still on Lollipop OS? I think soon they will update it to marshmallow.
Falenone said:
Reading some of the posts I'm gonna post my little rant here.
About the fingerprint sensor. When it works, it works very well. Often times it doesn't work for me. I have to add my finger multiple times to the prints list. Hopefully Qualcomm's new tech let's it work even with sweaty fingers. Maybe they should move the sensor to the back and have it the size of iPhone home button. And of course the DRM key thing. Should go back to drawing board with unlocking bootloader
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The sensor has to be accurate, better to be on the side of caution when you are talking about security, than to potentially let slip other fingerprints. Which is why I taught it 5 finger prints, each from different angles based on how I hold or use my phone in landscape and portrait mode. Also I know the thumb print in particular only registers in one spot of my thumb, so if fails wipe finger or thumb on teeshirt, shorts, rag, and it usually works second time.
Apple users are facing the same sort of issues with fingerprint scanner, as well as all other mobile devices.
This is my third Sony (Z1, Z2 and now Z5)
I was reading all posts guys and i have to say that about my Z5:
-About the update: always is the same **** with Sony when have to lunch a new complete version.
- Battery life: is worst than Z2.
- Camera: The quality of the photos it's not a big deal.
When a i had my Z2 i was thinking buy the Nexus 6P but finally i selected the Z5... Very big error.