alright i literally rooted my phone 1 hour ago and as much of an idiot i am i proceeded to delete supposingly useless system apps, inclusing internet ,basically everything that said knox, s health and story album..
well that didnt go so well, google playstore stopped working and internet in general in the phone isnt connecting correctly, i tried to reset factory settings and wipe the chache but that didnt really do anything, do i really have to flash a stock rom again, can i even flash a stock rom now that my phone is rooted...?
i looked everywhere for the apks for s4 system apps and i couldnt find them, please help this poor little s4, he shouldn't suffer because of my mistakes...
F_julius said:
alright i literally rooted my phone 1 hour ago and as much of an idiot i am i proceeded to delete supposingly useless system apps, inclusing internet ,basically everything that said knox, s health and story album..
well that didnt go so well, google playstore stopped working and internet in general in the phone isnt connecting correctly, i tried to reset factory settings and wipe the chache but that didnt really do anything, do i really have to flash a stock rom again, can i even flash a stock rom now that my phone is rooted...?
i looked everywhere for the apks for s4 system apps and i couldnt find them, please help this poor little s4, he shouldn't suffer because of my mistakes...
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Hi ,
welcome to the wonderful world of flashing...
Easy way out would be after you backup everything important in your phone ( pics , music , contacts , video....) to flash and stock rom again ( same you had) with Odin and start all over again....
Option 2 but i would trip knox bit would be flash a custom recovery and flash a custom rom....
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Hi ,
welcome to the wonderful world of flashing...
Easy way out would be after you backup everything important in your phone ( pics , music , contacts , video....) to flash and stock rom again ( same you had) with Odin and start all over again....
Option 2 but i would trip knox bit would be flash a custom recovery and flash a custom rom....
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thank you for the quick replay!
while you're here is it possible to send the apps from another phone to mine, my roommates' got an unrooted note 3 with kitkat 4.2.2 just like my s4, is there any way to simply send an apk of those apps to my phone or is flashing the only way...?
because my cable is really horrible and to flash i have to walk a couple of miles to my friends house to use his cable and its REALLY HOT outside
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thank you for the quick replay!
while you're here is it possible to send the apps from another phone to mine, my roommates' got an unrooted note 3 with kitkat 4.2.2 just like my s4, is there any way to simply send an apk of those apps to my phone or is flashing the only way...?
because my cable is really horrible and to flash i have to walk a couple of miles to my friends house to use his cable and its REALLY HOT outside
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Hi ,
they are supposed to be compatible but i would not know for sure , if you are going to try that..... first back up all important thing , just in case you get into a bootloop and have to reflash......
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Hi ,
they are supposed to be compatible but i would not know for sure , if you are going to try that..... first back up all important thing , just in case you get into a bootloop and have to reflash......
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alright ill not risk it ill just re flash the rom, luckily i still have it saved on my hard-drive
so for anyone who might read this in the future who've done the same stupid mistake i have done ill just leave this here
wish iv'e seen your signature sooner...
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alright ill not risk it ill just re flash the rom, luckily i still have it saved on my hard-drive
so for anyone who might read this in the future who've done the same stupid mistake i have done ill just leave this here
wish iv'e seen your signature sooner...
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We all been there....
Easiest way out is reflashing and start all over ......you can try reinstalling from your friend also but you may get into a bootloop and you would have to reinstall firmware again.....
another option would be to download a custom rom for you phone and extract from the zip the missing apps and re install them in you rom again ( with the right permissions usually rw r r) that would possible save you re installing every thing .
Advice get an app like galaxysim unlock
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spocky.galaxsimunlock&hl=en
Make an EFS backup and save it in a safe place....( all your imei info is there) sometimes flashing gets unfriendly
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HELP Recovery doesn't load (is installed) & when it boots up a S.Screen-Loop appairs
Hey
Wow, having a hard time now without my new galaxy s4.
Can't get access the recovery mode anymore and when it boots up, a screen of death appairs in a very strange way.
It seems that a script, can't load properly, because I deactivated something, that's why it allways resets itself after it's finished to display the loading samsung screen again. I can go into the system for 1-5 seconds only, then the loading screen appairs again - all the time.
I allready installed everything and it worked fine, with wanamlite rom and phil'z cwm.
But I did some security finetuning, removing (mostly freezing, but then uninstalling) lots of the bloat and spying system apps... thats why it happened. I know what I was doing, but not exactly (new apk's, new JB). Trial and Error. Allready got the results I wanted, but it wasn't finished and I messed up something.
This is fkn crazy about Android 4, coming from 2.3 - the new smartphones send ALL YOUR PRIVATE DATA EVERYWHERE (google,samsung and LOT's of other companies) in stock and even in all the roms, by default. Even Snapshots and Voice-Recordings in backround. Just go to the Options/Security/Certificated Authorities... or check the triggers with autostarts or just use a taskmanager.... 99,99% of the people aren't even aware of this.
However, I before I go crazy about all this I want to say, that I want to use the phone and all the priviledges and functions of course, but without all the spy****, that is also reducing my batterie like hell. It's not about, that the accu isn't strong enough, but it is used all the time by many different things
Ok now, what can I do ? I have a working cwm backup, but I can't access the recovery anymore!
I have access to the download mode.
I allready tried a different rom (this one) flashed with odin, after it finishes, it loads to recoveryAUTOmode, but after that, the same problem persists.
this one=this version:
Model: GT-I9505 (4.2.2)
PDA: XXUBMH1
PHONE: XXUBMH1
CSC: OXXBMH1 (29 codes) (NOTE: KIES will NOT recognize this FW due to CSC mismatch..)
Kernel: 3.4.0-1081224 (05.08)
Build Date: 05.08.2013
Changelist: 1081224
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because I wanted to use the same version as wanamlite and I don't want 4.3 yet, because of app-compatibility and some more... it's just getting worse, (android 4.4 is reallly ****ed up with wlan-on all the time..rumors..)
My Question to the developers here is exactly does Recovery need to work properly ?? (systemfiles,apk's,scripts)
Why the Samsung-Screen-Bootloop appairs and what script triggers it ?
Tried with ADB-GUI - but it doesn't seem to connect - but testing is needed, didn't try everything yet
this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2237530
You know, I don't have nothing to hide, but I want to have my privacy and freedom anyway - I just want to have a clean, secure Phone as possible and I disable and uninstall everything I don't need and will never use all the bloat ****, also I don't want to send ALL my data to google, samsung and all the other companys and CA's.
If I where a developer I would probably bring out a great,clean and secure rom for everyone, however that isn't wanted by google and the big companys and the nwo agenda.
However, it seem's that allmost no one (developers and users) cares about security and privacy at all.
You can only be secure, if you root your phone and modify alot of settings, triggers and remove lot's of apps (apk's) and use several apps to do so. It normally cost's you hours to get everything in place and more hours to figure out all this stuff... but a very advanced good script, could do all the modifications in seconds. Whatever, that **** is to big for me now, I will get over it... will you get over it ? I would like to join this big elite group, if I could, because they have everything (allmost. Also I don't want to sell my soul... what a dillema
Now seriously please - I really need some help by a pro
Hope you can help me.
I think there is a good solution, it lies in downloadmode and flashing the right thing or using adb the right way.
Ok that's it. thanks for reading.
I wish you a good day and all the best.
cya
ps: my signature is over 2 years old.
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Hey
Wow, having a hard time now without my new galaxy s4.
Can't get access the recovery mode anymore and when it boots up, a screen of death appairs in a very strange way.
It seems that a script, can't load properly, because I deactivated something, that's why it allways resets itself after it's finished to display the loading samsung screen again. I can go into the system for 1-5 seconds only, then the loading screen appairs again - all the time.
I allready installed everything and it worked fine, with wanamlite rom and phil'z cwm.
But I did some security finetuning, removing (mostly freezing, but then uninstalling) lots of the bloat and spying system apps... thats why it happened. I know what I was doing, but not exactly (new apk's, new JB). Trial and Error. Allready got the results I wanted, but it wasn't finished and I messed up something.
This is fkn crazy about Android 4, coming from 2.3 - the new smartphones send ALL YOUR PRIVATE DATA EVERYWHERE (google,samsung and LOT's of other companies) in stock and even in all the roms, by default. Even Snapshots and Voice-Recordings in backround. Just go to the Options/Security/Certificated Authorities... or check the triggers with autostarts or just use a taskmanager.... 99,99% of the people aren't even aware of this.
However, I before I go crazy about all this I want to say, that I want to use the phone and all the priviledges and functions of course, but without all the spy****, that is also reducing my batterie like hell. It's not about, that the accu isn't strong enough, but it is used all the time by many different things
Ok now, what can I do ? I have a working cwm backup, but I can't access the recovery anymore!
I have access to the download mode.
I allready tried a different rom (this one) flashed with odin, after it finishes, it loads to recoveryAUTOmode, but after that, the same problem persists.
this one=this version:
because I wanted to use the same version as wanamlite and I don't want 4.3 yet, because of app-compatibility and some more... it's just getting worse, (android 4.4 is reallly ****ed up with wlan-on all the time..rumors..)
My Question to the developers here is exactly does Recovery need to work properly ?? (systemfiles,apk's,scripts)
Why the Samsung-Screen-Bootloop appairs and what script triggers it ?
Tried with ADB-GUI - but it doesn't seem to connect - but testing is needed, didn't try everything yet
this tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2237530
You know, I don't have nothing to hide, but I want to have my privacy and freedom anyway - I just want to have a clean, secure Phone as possible and I disable and uninstall everything I don't need and will never use all the bloat ****, also I don't want to send ALL my data to google, samsung and all the other companys and CA's.
If I where a developer I would probably bring out a great,clean and secure rom for everyone, however that isn't wanted by google and the big companys and the nwo agenda.
However, it seem's that allmost no one (developers and users) cares about security and privacy at all.
You can only be secure, if you root your phone and modify alot of settings, triggers and remove lot's of apps (apk's) and use several apps to do so. It normally cost's you hours to get everything in place and more hours to figure out all this stuff... but a very advanced good script, could do all the modifications in seconds. Whatever, that **** is to big for me now, I will get over it... will you get over it ? I would like to join this big elite group, if I could, because they have everything (allmost. Also I don't want to sell my soul... what a dillema
Now seriously please - I really need some help by a pro
Hope you can help me.
I think there is a good solution, it lies in downloadmode and flashing the right thing or using adb the right way.
Ok that's it. thanks for reading.
I wish you a good day and all the best.
cya
ps: my signature is over 2 years old.
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Did you just smash your keyboard typing all this? I hope not.. because its quite irritating to see someone oosting such things on a updating guide. You can pm me if u want help. But since u asked here.
Here you go.
Download adonis.pit from my second post
Flash it in odin as pit.
Flash a stock 4.2.2 firmware package
Install whatever recovery you want.
And you are done.
You can go back to recovery.
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Degrated Shadow said:
Did you just smash your keyboard typing all this? I hope not.. because its quite irritating to see someone oosting such things on a updating guide. You can pm me if u want help. But since u asked here.
Here you go.
Download adonis.pit from my second post
Flash it in odin as pit.
Flash a stock 4.2.2 firmware package
Install whatever recovery you want.
And you are done.
You can go back to recovery.
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that sounds really useful. I will try it now. big thanks! However I have a 9505... is the pit really needed? I have a backup of it, when i flashed the recovery the first time... with heimdall.
ps: I smashed it a little bit... with such things in mind, you can go crazy about... or just ignore your private life and give it to google, samsung & more
I would really like to see the bigdata databases from millions of people profiled in a neat profile... with everything in it. Just use a search tool like everything and find instantly a person with the attributes you seek. Clever Controlfreaks
Ok f*ck that.. lets get a life and just fix the problem
Still the same thing...
I need to clean everything, except my data, like photos and my cwm backup. and to install a clean system.
How can I do this with only download modus avaiable?
So, the other day, as samsung was pushing more bloat to my phone, I decided I had had enough Redit told me I could just delete most things from root, I did so by following the instructions from a google search of how-to-root-and-flash-cwm-recovery-on-sprint-galaxy-s4-on-android-4-3-tutorial (except, of course, the back up part)
then, without paying attention to the list of removable apps, I took out Samsung hub, And then the problems start. The phone still works: Except every second or so, i get told that the hub has stopped. The phone isn't bricked, but it is basically worthless with the message popping up constantly.
According to my settings, everything is still stock (L720VPUFNAE) Although I think just rooting it was enough to pop the Knox bubble. I'm not working on getting that rom to try to re-flash back to stock (I thought i had did this over night, but it seems like i had slightly different roms when I was doing this early in the morning)
I also tried installing the Samsung Hub apk, but I get an error stating that X app wasn't installed. I have not been able to find a source for this app while googling.
I've tried finding a custom rom to use, but most of the ones I THINK are good/will work, don't install via odin, and for some reason when I try to boot into recovery, it just sits indefinitely @ the samsung galaxy screen.
Am I just stressed and frustrated, or am I truly hosed?
Edit: I'm currently working through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307531 as my next attempt
Edit: for some reason Philz recovery isn't ever entering a recovery mode for me, it just sides @ the samsung screen forever
Akuthia said:
blablabla I deleted something what I shouldn't and now my phone is faulty, but I do not want/can reflash using Odin and CWM :crying::crying::crying:
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You still can install Mobile Odin from google Play, copy ROM to SD card and try to flash it in that way...
spamtrash said:
You still can install Mobile Odin from google Play, copy ROM to SD card and try to flash it in that way...
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I get it, i deserve the sarcasm, I broke rule 1 of upgrades. (one of) the problems I'm having though is finding the right file to flash to. Just looking for a little bit of advice as to what files I need to get back to " Normal" I know I should be able to flash to another rom, why when I use Philz Recovery it doesn't do what it's supposed to, is beyond me right now. Odin mobile requires the PDA file, correct? That seems fine to getting back to stock, but most of the custom roms I've found or are at least interested in are just files that are installed via recovery...which for some reason I don't have access too, right?
Akuthia said:
That seems fine to getting back to stock, but most of the custom roms I've found or are at least interested in are just files that are installed via recovery...which for some reason I don't have access too, right?
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Correct. If I'd be you, I'd go to sammobile.com, and I'd start from full stock flash. It shall restore recovery. It it would work - you'd be OK to go with custom.
spamtrash said:
Correct. If I'd be you, I'd go to sammobile.com, and I'd start from full stock flash. It shall restore recovery. It it would work - you'd be OK to go with custom.
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Ok, Sammobile has been efforting for about an hour. Has an hour to go. I also got CWM and am going to see if I can flash a rom with it. Transfer of those files is taking a while as well.
Akuthia said:
Ok, Sammobile has been efforting for about an hour. Has an hour to go. I also got CWM and am going to see if I can flash a rom with it. Transfer of those files is taking a while as well.
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Got back to stock. Text messages gave me a fright for a bit was sending me a message they were undeliverable via another code text # one of those 4 or 5 digit things)
Akuthia said:
Got back to stock. Text messages gave me a fright for a bit was sending me a message they were undeliverable via another code text # one of those 4 or 5 digit things)
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Good. Now, a small lesson for the future, if I can:
if you want to remove something, DO NOT delete software, use Titanium Backup and freeze apk first instead.
This will give you opportunity to check if you have frozen something important. :good:
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Good. Now, a small lesson for the future, if I can:
if you want to remove something, DO NOT delete software, use Titanium Backup and freeze apk first instead.
This will give you opportunity to check if you have frozen something important. :good:
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Thats the thing, i HAD made a backup in titanium of all my system apps, just so i could roll it back, but for some reason, it wasn't listed when the fan got hi by you know what.
Akuthia said:
Thats the thing, i HAD made a backup in titanium of all my system apps, just so i could roll it back, but for some reason, it wasn't listed when the fan got hi by you know what.
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I DID not mentioned BACKUP.
I mentioned FREEZING.
Backup is another copy, which you may, or may not install.
FREEZE is that all files are present, but the application is not listed in system.
ive had my note 3 for awhile and have avoided rooting or modding it in any way for quite sometime, but i rooted the stock firmware i believe it was 4.4.2???? im not 100% with towelroot and i was able to install safestrap thats where my success ended I didnt make any backups for whatever dumb reason and also it has been quite sometime since modding any phones, now my phone wont boot into any rom ive tried i have tried two so far and i cant get the factory one back, half the time i cant install roms and the rest of the time they work but they wont boot ive tried creating rom slots but those dont work, read somewhere they arent supported in 4.4.2 ???? and when i tried overwriting the factory it still didnt work, now my phone wont boot into anything anymore and im not quite sure what i did wrong and if there is any way to fix it, i would have like to install knoxraid on this phone since it supposedely fixes the gps issues lots of people have when i try to install that particular rom i get a successful message but then when i wipe cache/dalvik it work and then i hit reboot nothing happens, all i get is a black screen oh and its says that safestrap is disabled
can anyone help i could really use some help here
ecuadorche said:
ive had my note 3 for awhile and have avoided rooting or modding it in any way for quite sometime, but i rooted the stock firmware i believe it was 4.4.2???? im not 100% with towelroot and i was able to install safestrap thats where my success ended I didnt make any backups for whatever dumb reason and also it has been quite sometime since modding any phones, now my phone wont boot into any rom ive tried i have tried two so far and i cant get the factory one back, half the time i cant install roms and the rest of the time they work but they wont boot ive tried creating rom slots but those dont work, read somewhere they arent supported in 4.4.2 ???? and when i tried overwriting the factory it still didnt work, now my phone wont boot into anything anymore and im not quite sure what i did wrong and if there is any way to fix it, i would have like to install knoxraid on this phone since it supposedely fixes the gps issues lots of people have when i try to install that particular rom i get a successful message but then when i wipe cache/dalvik it work and then i hit reboot nothing happens, all i get is a black screen oh and its says that safestrap is disabled
can anyone help i could really use some help here
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May I know which variant on Note3 you are using.
and what's the OS version? 4.3? or 4.4.2 or 4.4.4
what's your region (CSC).??
I would suggest you to go into download mode and download appropriate stock firmware from SamMobile or from Samsung Updates (Link for N9005) and flash Stock ROM using ODIN.
Thanks.
Hi there,
I am fairly new in android and ask for some guidance.
After over 1.5 years of getting irritated by bloatware on my galaxy S4 GT-I9500 I started to look for how to root phone and got rid off plenty of bloatware.
Huge relief. I mean, why the hell do I need tripadvisor, help, health, googlesettings, speech and tens of other completely useless apps (for me). If I need something I want to install it by myself and don't want it to be forced onto phone which I paid from my pocket.
Now, when I last time hard reset my phone, it "kindly" upgraded all the nonsense bloatware too. Grrrrr
I looked on the forums to flash raw android stock, but there is so much info out there, that I get lost.
Could you suggest, where/how should I start. So, I want completely raw android OS, without any bloatware (if possible), on my galaxy S4 GT-I9500.
Thanks
Phone2GO said:
Hi there,
I am fairly new in android and ask for some guidance.
After over 1.5 years of getting irritated by bloatware on my galaxy S4 GT-I9500 I started to look for how to root phone and got rid off plenty of bloatware.
Huge relief. I mean, why the hell do I need tripadvisor, help, health, googlesettings, speech and tens of other completely useless apps (for me). If I need something I want to install it by myself and don't want it to be forced onto phone which I paid from my pocket.
Now, when I last time hard reset my phone, it "kindly" upgraded all the nonsense bloatware too. Grrrrr
I looked on the forums to flash raw android stock, but there is so much info out there, that I get lost.
Could you suggest, where/how should I start. So, I want completely raw android OS, without any bloatware (if possible), on my galaxy S4 GT-I9500.
Thanks
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Hi mate
There are some custom roms very close to stock where you can choose what bloatware to install for example Omega rom ...not sure if is that what you meant....
Ok, this is probably what I am looking for, thanks.
I am downloading omega room for S4. I have a follow up Q though. When I read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40243586&postcount=4 guidance to flash this ROM, it just says:
Installation Instructions:
1. Backup your device (nadroid backup, titanium backup, efs backup ... etc)
2. Copy rom to your device
3. Boot to recovery and flash Omega
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What is boot to recovery, what program should I use for this? Need some details how to do this. :
I am trying to boot Omega and everything goes completely wrong
when I get this --Install /sdcard ...
I get following
footer is wrong
signature verification is wrong
Any suggestion
You dont know how to boot in recovery...and trying to boot in Omega???? How you did that ? Are you rooted,custom recovery, flasht Omega ???
I think you better read,read and read about it,unlless you want to hard brick your device.
if anyone has a custom recovery for this phone please send me a download link i need it badly. This phone is a samsung galaxy on5 Sm-s550TL simple mobile.
Heyabhay1127 said:
if anyone has a custom recovery for this phone please send me a download link i need it badly. This phone is a samsung galaxy on5 Sm-s550TL simple mobile.
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how can i get this for you ? i have the same phone .
rein013 said:
how can i get this for you ? i have the same phone .
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If you have a custom recovery already installed, can you please give me the download link for the one you used?
thanks
Heyabhay1127 said:
If you have a custom recovery already installed, can you please give me the download link for the one you used?
thanks
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Dude so I was scared to install TWRP backup because it wasn't for this exact phone carrier and I saw a lot of people were screwing up their phones doing the process so do you know of a process which I could get TWRP on this phone whileist not screwing it up like everyone else ?
Phone is brand new and I would have backed up and and installed debloated rom already but again with everyone having issues im kind of hesitant .
So I'm probably going to do it anyway ( my phone is my phone damn-it! ) but I need to read more throughout the forums and see exactly what's causing these issues because I do not want to brick mine and any insight you have as to what happened to yours during the process could be beneficial .
I already tried
rob.e.rein said:
Dude so I was scared to install TWRP backup because it wasn't for this exact phone carrier and I saw a lot of people were screwing up their phones doing the process so do you know of a process which I could get TWRP on this phone whileist not screwing it up like everyone else ?
Phone is brand new and I would have backed up and and installed debloated rom already but again with everyone having issues im kind of hesitant .
So I'm probably going to do it anyway ( my phone is my phone damn-it! ) but I need to read more throughout the forums and see exactly what's causing these issues because I do not want to brick mine and any insight you have as to what happened to yours during the process could be beneficial .
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For samsung devices, the only method to flash a recovery seems to be odin. I did not find a recovery for my variant
I ended up returning the phone anyway since there is no recovery, its best you do the same. It was a good phone for $30 though. I ended up getting super desperate, and i tried to flash all the recoveries available for this phone, none of them worked. It did not brick my phone however. If you still want to give it a try you can. If it does brick you should be able to restore using power, vol UP and home. Just wait a bit and an android recovery comes up where you can reset to factory. Im not entirely sure about this process. Best of luck to you!
Heyabhay1127 said:
For samsung devices, the only method to flash a recovery seems to be odin. I did not find a recovery for my variant
I ended up returning the phone anyway since there is no recovery, its best you do the same. It was a good phone for $30 though. I ended up getting super desperate, and i tried to flash all the recoveries available for this phone, none of them worked. It did not brick my phone however. If you still want to give it a try you can. If it does brick you should be able to restore using power, vol UP and home. Just wait a bit and an android recovery comes up where you can reset to factory. Im not entirely sure about this process. Best of luck to you!
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yeah i tried and failed as well . all i want is to be able to use the memory card as storage for apps and whatnot so that i don't run out of 8gb of space after installing only a few programs . what a shame because the phone is not too bad but by samsung removing this feature that's built into the android ecosystem , what a bunch of dicks .
much luck back to you my friend .
Same crap just happened to me sobi flashed a stock firmware thru Odin. Now whwnbi power I n the phonebir foes thru a factory binary loading screen and then all this factory crap. Anyvone know how to get it back to normal?
rein013 said:
how can i get this for you ? i have the same phone .
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Me too! No cup. Help