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SO is clear, screen aligment issue is a TyTN harware fault, as clearly stated from TyTN OFFICIAL WIKI
They say also DO NOT BUY TyTn with serial n. between 62xxx and 63(1-5 xxx)
SO my (AND THE MAJORITY OF YOURS) TyTN is a brick now, I can't sell (none would it if they check on HTC website) I can't swap (I had screen alignment problem after one month, because I am a good user, I am not used to overheat or strongly squeeze my phone, as they ask to do in the first period), should only be REPAIRED, but the serial wil be always the same, waiting long time to have it back (repaired also means a month waiting at least)
SO instead of saying "sorry guys, thank's to chose HTC, it was our fault, this is a new one" they said : "IS YOUR FAULT, YOU HAVE TO OVERHEAT AND SQUEEZE IT DURING THE FIRST WEEK, FOLKS"
We have only a solution in my mind, to send many e-mail to
[email protected] (HTC press room)
I am owner of a TyTN phone with serial number between HTC62xxx and HTC63(1-5)xxx. I am a normal user, not used to overheat and squeeze my phone during the first two weeks of ownership and now I have the screen alignment issue. You know it is YOUR fault, please swap my phone with a new one.
Please learn from INTEL lesson and avoid thi letter and the case explained to all newspaper, analists and so on http://www.mackido.com/History/History_PentBug.html
I want it swapped with a non-fault one even after the first 2 weeks
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Post this message everywere in the Pocket PC forum, hermes forum and we will avoid to have the most precious brik of our life!
This is the first page from HTCWIKI
( http://www.htcwiki.com/page/TyTN )
TyTN
TyTN Release Date: July 2006
(a.k.a. Hermes, Vodafone 1605, Orange SPV M3100)
IMPORTANT: 70% of HTC TyTN devices have screen alignment problem!!!
HTC WILL NOT REPLACE IT AFTER TWO WEEKS, YOU CAN ONLY GET IT REPAIRED. So push it hard and make it hot on your first week after buying it to see if the screen alginment problem appears on your device, otherwise the screen alignment problem will appear later and your device will not be replaced, only repaired as per HTC DOA.
If you are thinking of buying an HTC TyTN, make sure you get an HTC636 or higher serrial number. Avoid S/N HTC62XXX and HTC63[1-5]XXX
Please admin could the topic and the message become sticky for a while?
Having it sticky all TyTN old and new user will read and they may chose if they want:
Try to have if swapped or
accept to have it only repaired and they never could sell it at reasonable price (check TyTN HTC62xxx prices on e-bay)
Although the info is on the htcwiki page, the statement you are refering was added by user "xda-developers" who's login and password information can be found in bugmenot.com website, so it doesn't come from HTC itself but from someone upset with TyTN screen alignment problem and HTC repair / replacement policy
See the web page history:
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/TyTN/history
HTC TyTN Marketing strategy
POF, I answered also in the MoDaCo thread, I post this comment here just to inform also the XDA-DEV only users... If you are also on MoDaCo save time and jump over this message
I agree, HTCWIKI is UNOFFICIAL. :lol
I'm sorry my hairs are mostly white, may be my brain is gone... so I've been to THIS address http://www.europe.htc.com/support/support....?device=htctytn
Looks official, top 10 questions on TyTN: NOTHING about screen alignment; strange because was the MAIN question on HTC TyTN hardware on Internet.
Let me check on DISPLAY FAQ on HTC site, nothing.... but I find an OFFICIAL repair centre in NL, confirming the replacement policy, in XDA-DEVELOPERS HERMES forum... So there is an OFFICIAL position on TyTN clearly stating that screen aligment is an hardware problem!
I made a phone call, to HTC OFFICIAL centre , (this is the enquiry number I had 061500uk09284397) and the said EXACTLY WHAT UNOFFICIAL WIKI SAID (except the precentage) on xda-developers poll we have around 40%,of ALL HERMES having the screen alignment problem, and ALL means new one and people STILL not having...
The HTC centre the confirmed the 15 days replacement policy, and yes if you have the problems after the 16th day they will repair under warranty conditions. .
Is a WELL KNOWN HARDWARE BUG from HTC point of view, and they are playing the official/unofficial game
to avoid big problems to resellers (they still have to sell some of HTC62xxx with other names) slowly admitting the problem.
You were in this business when a "game" closer to this was played from Intel? They learned the marketing lesson, HTC is on the way on....
Italy is in the EU and when we pay 700€ for a phone we would like something 100% working not 70% or 30%. If you know and you sell... and don't replace you are STEALING MONEY TO CONSUMERS, this is all over in the world
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SO my (AND THE MAJORITY OF YOURS) TyTN is a brick now..... should only be REPAIRED, but the serial wil be always the same, waiting long time to have it back (repaired also means a month waiting at least)
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firstly: My TyTN has the alignment problem and is FAR from being a brick....the phone is still useable totally. With a repair this will be fixed...for free and under warranty...what the problem!?!?
secondly: HTC state they will get the repair done within a 5 day period so you will NOT be waiting a month for the handset to be returned
Lastly under manufacturers warranty you are entitled to get the problem recified for free if it is indeed a manufacturing problem, this does NOT entitle you to a replacement upgraded handset straight away...the manufacturer has the right to repair it to fully working condition. All this ranting and raving is totally unjust...if people TOLD HTC what the problems were instead of ranting on forums they would have a better idea of the magnitude of the problem!!!!!
I have two Hermes, one with SA problem, the other is fine.
My first hermes arrived on August 1st, the SA problem started on September 15th. I notified HTC on September 17th using the support form in htc europe website where I clearly stated when I got my device and when the SA issue started.
I got the usual "canned" reply, telling me that my unit was going to be REPLACED if it was a TyTN and I have all the accessories and original box (which I do). I was given the contact details of Teleservice Spain to have my device replaced.
I contacted them, and they only offered a repair under warranty. I replied to HTC and the answer I was given was this:
"This seems strange as the agreement was to exchange faulty devices, as per the conditions of my previous email.
Please contact them again , and send them a copy of my last email.
If they refuse to help, please ask them to phone or email us to discuss this."
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Teleservice spain refused to contact HTC, so I contacted HTC again and finally I was given the contact details of Cirma in France to swap my unit. When I said my device arrived on August 1st they refused to replace it and they only offered a repair under warranty.
I contacted HTC again, and I am still waiting for the answer. Obviously I prefere a replacement unit than having my unit repaired, and that's what they initially offered, in the first canned email I received there was no mention to the "2 week DOA policy", that's why I am still fighting to have my device replaced.
I am not going to call them anymore, so if they don't answer by the end of this week I am going to fill an European Consumer Complaint Form to start a legal dispute against HTC.
If anyone is in the same or similar situation have a look at this website where you will find the forms in PDF format and the address of your nearest ECC-Net centre: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/index_en.htm
In Italy is even worst:
I called HTC: after admitting the Hardware fault, they said one month of life is too much and my phone will be only REPAIRED, then they gave me me the HTC assistance number in Italy.
It is a 199 number, you pay just for call, a half minute fee, none can call them from office, because all office are sat up to avoid those calls, but you can call only during OFFICE OURS.
So I called from mobile phone, 4 Euro's just to understand that they could only gave me a second telephone number of a centre in my city were to bring the phone to be sent to the service. " A centre in Rome, please", "I have so many", "have something in my area code?" "tell me the first two numbers of your home phone" and so on, just to know the phone number of a centre were they collect and send the phones to a "generic" phone repair centre called "Teleca Telephone Service" http://www.telecatelephoneservice.it the 199 number I was calling!
I called the centre in Rome Timing? at least 15 days, courtesy phone? None, sorry
No answer about policies, they barely kows HTC!
Thank's for your complain form indication
mrvanx said:
secondly: HTC state they will get the repair done within a 5 day period so you will NOT be waiting a month for the handset to be returned
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I wouldn't hold my breath....My first TyTN broke down (SA problem) within 24 hours. The reseller asked me to contact HTC....HTC asked me to contact Qtek....and so on. Finaly Qtek wanted to repair it. I asked how long it would take and they stated it would take 10 business days for repair without the "transport" times. There are already users who waited 4 whole weeks before they got their unit back.
OTH it's perhaps more wise to let it repair. A lot of resellers are still selling "old" devices. The chance your exchanged unit is also a faulty one is pretty big. A repaired one definitely doesn't have the problems.
I couldn't fix the freeze after standby mode problem and the screen allignment so I decided to send it back to htc europe repair centre. Did anyone of you send it back for repair or replacement to htc europe and if yes how many days did it take to receive the device again? And my second question is: did they fix the problems of your device? Take this thread like a poll thing for angry and disappointed tytn users
We have MANY threads of disappointed users about HTC service.
If you are one of these, as I told to someone else, say it LOUD on Internet, in any group, in any on line news, the only thing that a big company understand is the voice of SHAREHOLDERS, we are simply some poor STAKEHOLDERS, but if we make a LOUD noise the may be SHAREHOLDERS will hear us and this ridicolous service will change.
If you are not familiar with stock and marketing language you can search the STAKEHOLDER history...
I bought my TYTN on Internet, I,ve no problem to send it everywere in Europe, using UPS but I want it swapped, even REPAIRED, but in few days, and with a first class customer service.
we have a service here ... (chose the worst county for services, we are below!)
HTC... can you hear our stakes?
@takis999 I sent my TyTN for repair to HTC-UK (in milton keynes England) and the contract i signed and sent with the handset states:
1. ESTIMATED TURNOVER PERIOD
We estimate that we will normally be able to complete orders and return the units to most mainland addresses in the UK within 5 working days from receipt of the unit. Where the repair requires parts to be specially ordered or delivery to remote areas of the UK, or to other countries, this may take longer. One of our Customer Service representatives will contact you in such cases. HTC EU will endeavour to complete all orders within 5 working days from clearance of payment or warranty authorisation.
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Bearing in mind that applies to the UK im not sure how other countries fair with that but seems they do endeavour to fix my handset and send it back to me within a 5 working day period which is great! A guy on another forum (Masseur on Esato.com) also sent his for repair and it was sent back within 5 day...and hes not from the UK!!!! The guy i spoke to at the service centre was VERY VERY helpfull and he informed me that HTC knew about the SA problem and will fix ANY TyTNs (NOT orange,voda or tmobile handsets though...they get sorted out by voda/orange etc...because thats who the contract is with). If the TyTN is less than 14 days old then a replacment will be done, otherwise a repair but im cool with that...standard stuff really
If you wish to wait i can tell you how long my repair took from sending (yesterday 12/10/06) to arrival back here (unknown??)??
@sergiopi Can you add to your profile your Network and Country as that would help???
profile added, thanks for suggesting.... I am in Italy, in Rome (every roads brings to..., except HTC's ), I've seen were you are from.. so you know STAKEHOLDERS meaning
Also MY contact from HTC was very helpfull, but she wasn't involved in repair. She gaves only a 199 number (special and expensive numbers), then from this number I had a second number, in Rome, just to know that they collect and send the phones to the first number, but they are not HTC, they don't know even that is a company involved in phone business, more or les 15-20 days, no courtesy service.
INDECENTE in italian
Some service is available in Russia.
It is more oriented for cases with "device does not boot", "damaged bootloader", "stuck at bootloader", "flash with wrong image file", etc.
However, it does not cover parts replacement.
In terms of timing, it takes 1-2 work days for fixing a problem, additionally DHL, EMS or what shipping carrier would you prefer, to organise shipping between your country and Russia.
You need to describe your situation first, before shipping device, by mail or by phone, to make sure you will not send a device which was crashed or droped in a ocean.
We have to admit also that local HTC service centers are not satisfactory, and sometimes even refuse to accept xda, although on warranty.
rgds.,
iStrium
Keep in mind that by contracts HTC is not allowed to perform direct service/repair on HTC products sold via the big service providers. Another reason for us to welcome HTC´s decision to push its own brand and open sales and service centres everywhere they have a market. XDA is a O2 brand, and at least in Germany O2 replaces faulty HTC phones within a few days.
HTC is directly in the market, but NOT in the SERVICE market .
They just sell directly, not SUPPORT directly. they want more revenues , not be prepared to have CUSTOMERS!
Well done HTC! I understand isn't in the DNA of the company, but Steve, Bill, are you sure you want this?
It is very clear, for sure it is not co-business to keep service centers for HTC. But to have number of local contracts with service companies. To authorize their service centers, train staff, provide some equipment and technology enabling them to perform reasonable "customer care". What I was saying, I guess, is that it is not the case in Russia. Athorised HTC service centers in Moscow is a joke, they have no clue how to run business properly.
Additionally, HTC does not give them a lot of "knowledge". They know how to perform basic tests, no more. As the result, no surprise, there are un-authorised service centers, and they do pretty good. They have good equipment and what is more important knowledge. Otherwise, I think, they would not survive.
I am saying this because went thru the repair cycle and saw how it works (meaning did not work). Globally, pretty sure, it depends on country and location. On a reality HTC does not care much about customers. They jumped on a market, but not ready for all aspects, especially service. And finally, to be honest, non of such companies are interested to spend much money to provide good customer service, it is very little profit of it.
So, we have to take care about ourselves.
rgds,
iStrium
After my 8-months-old HD2 screen went unresponsive (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752181) I started going through what I would describe a true ordeal.
A mixture of disorganization and pretty dumb policy setting and even dumber interpretation which would make for an excellent comedy script.
Last night I received from HTC a request for feedback on my Customer Service experience. Here follows my reply to HTC, and I thought I would share it with you.
The story is far from over yet, so I'll keep you posted on the developments.
Also, please feel free to share your stories with HTC Support. Please include the good ones (just in case anyone has any ).
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I am travelling with my family in the South of Italy (1,000 km from home) and on August 9th the touch screen of my HD2 went totally unresponsive. I called your support hotline and there started an ordeal which is far from being over.
1. First of all I found out that HTC techical facilities in Italy were closed for two weeks until Aug 23rd. It is totally unacceptable to have no warranty assistance for two weeks on top-of-the-line devices. My HD2 is a business tool and I needed it fixed fast. Your Customer Service told me that if I did not want to wait for the Italian "August Siesta" to end, I had to send it AT MY OWN EXPENSE to the HTC labs in the UK and pay for the shipping back to Italy as well. I checked courier rates and decided that to wait two weeks.
2. Then on Aug 23rd I called back to know which pickup point would actually be open in my area. After 4 days I am still waiting your Customer Svc to call me back to let me know. I had to find out myself.
3. So, after waiting 2 weeks for the Italian Siesta, I drive 60 km and deliver my malfunctioning HD2 to the pickup point in Matera. The people there were kind and helpful, but informed me that HTC policy would force me to come and pick up the repaired phone there. I explained that I was on the road and that in about 10 days I would be going back to Milan which is 1,000 km. away. They were sympathetic and we called together HTC Customer support so see if we could arrange things so that I could pick up the repaired phone in Milan (which, by the way, is where the HTC repair facility is). I could not believe my ears when HTC support told me that I had no choice: either wait ten more days and deliver the phone to a pickup point in Milan or arrange for the pickup point in Matera to ship it back to me in Milan - at my own expense, of course.
Sounds like a joke - but it is unfortunately true. In the end I was so disgusted that I wanted to smash the damn phone with a hammer. But since is Company property, I followed the least painful route and agreed for the shipping back to Milan.
4. Ten minutes later, I walked into an electronics store and bought a brand new Nokia E72. I should have listened to my IT manager and never got an HTC in the first place. What he kept saying was "They make great hardware but have the worst support of the universe".
I really hate to admit he was right.
HI Guys
1st
I used to had HTC Blackstone.After 1st warranty service I've received Blackstone with new touch panel and screen!!!But with death pixels more than 3!!!So it went back to Miltone Keynes service centre.After 2weeks+ I was happy owner of serviced Black100.
2nd
My HD2 is going to Miltone Keynes again after 1st warranty service.
Just day after I've received my phone
Again death pixel on screen,screen is not align in housing.
HOUSING is kind of secondhand!!! it is obviously not my!!! It has scratches on different places.
Maybe missing kapton around speaker.<--light is coming up from grid.Cool
Looks like serviced somewhere far far east you know that Communist country?!!!
For now I hate Miltone Keynes service centre.
They are trying us a stupid costumers?!!?
Lied on service explanation in both cases!!
Waisting my time!!!, their money and our green planet
Only who is profiting is UPS delivery company.
S..t happens after 1y7m on HTC I was without Phone for 1m2weeks+
PS:sorry for my funny Engl......
Yes they are shockingly bad.
My blackstone had newton rings so as I'm near them I dropped it in.
They wanted to charge me nearly £200 to repair something which in other countries they cover under warranty.
Thing is, they hadn't sent me a link to the tracking page so I only found out when I called up after 2 weeks for an update. Had I left it much longer they would have disposed of my phone without telling me.
I arranged with the call centre to be able to go in and pick my phone up but they hadn't told the repair centre so they were baffled with my arrival.
I then took the phone back to the store I bought it from for them to try and get a warranty repair, they got the phone back with a report of "no dead pixels found" when the fault report sent with the phone didn't mention dead pixels. The store offered to try again but having been without my phone for a month I wasn't keen, so they put it through as an insurance claim and I got a new phone the next morning.
UF
Uf
I feel sorry for all UK HTC underwarranty c....
Looks like it's a group of poor paid people.
Or they just traying cheat on us.
By the way It's not real HTC they are just ''official service''
Hope HTC will change it soon!!!
SO say no to Miltone Keynes service centre or be realy careful.....
One good thing about it being in the UK is UK consumer laws are pretty decent.
Merely mentioning trading standards when I was in reception got them to change their tune and go get me my phone.
Had I a spare phone I could have reported them to trading standards for not fixing newton rings under warranty when I could provide evidence that in other countries they were allowing them as warranty faults.
I hope UK law will be behind us if what New Scientist said recently is true. Apparently, touch screens have a limited life because of the manufacturing process and rare earth metals used. They said most last just 18 months but that luckily, most users upgrade before then. My screen is already losing accuracy making text input difficult. After spending £500 I expect my phone to be working for alot more than 18 months.
that sux for y'all. Can y'all not have insurance that covers this for you. In the USA I pay for the insurance through t-mobile. When my hd2 kept overheating, I bricked it on purpose (just to make sure they didn't try and say there was nothing wrong), called t-mobile, told them it wouldn't turn on. They overnighted me a phone. Didn't cost me anything except the monthly insurance fee.
DrATty said:
I hope UK law will be behind us if what New Scientist said recently is true. Apparently, touch screens have a limited life because of the manufacturing process and rare earth metals used. They said most last just 18 months but that luckily, most users upgrade before then. My screen is already losing accuracy making text input difficult. After spending £500 I expect my phone to be working for alot more than 18 months.
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can understand how a screen might wear out if you dont use a screen protector, with one however it should last for a very long time... unless i dont understand the tech
just about warranty
this is not a tread about screen lifetime.
I just disagree withy way how guys in UK --> Miltones Keynes working.
Isurence if fine but it can't fix errors done by service centre.
Im not sure if my insurence is covering 1 second repair.
I don't know what the problem is. I had the crazy screen sensitivity issue, agged lines, random key presses.
Had the phone 9 months, called them, tried the latest ROM, same problem, sent it back, 2 weeks later it reappeared working perfectly, no problems, no scratches.
I coudn't be happier with their service.
DrATty said:
I hope UK law will be behind us if what New Scientist said recently is true. Apparently, touch screens have a limited life because of the manufacturing process and rare earth metals used. They said most last just 18 months but that luckily, most users upgrade before then. My screen is already losing accuracy making text input difficult. After spending £500 I expect my phone to be working for alot more than 18 months.
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The great thing about the consumer rights acts is you are entitled to a reasonable length of use out of a product, so even if it comes with just a 1 month warranty and it fails after 3 months, if you can argue that it was resonably expected to last that long then the law is on your side and you're entitled to repair/replacement.
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that sux for y'all. Can y'all not have insurance that covers this for you. In the USA I pay for the insurance through t-mobile. When my hd2 kept overheating, I bricked it on purpose (just to make sure they didn't try and say there was nothing wrong), called t-mobile, told them it wouldn't turn on. They overnighted me a phone. Didn't cost me anything except the monthly insurance fee.
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Insurance is for damage/loss, not breakdowns. Breakdowns should be covered by warranty/consumer protection laws, after all, if you're sold a shoddy item, why should it cost you to bring it up to the quality item you paid for in the first place?
Of course if something isn't covered by the warranty there's nothing stopping someone damaging their phone and claiming on insurance for a replacement.
Generally we have lower premiums and an excess to pay in the event of a claim, although you could find a policy with no excess but higher premiums.
Well
my HD2 is again on the way to service centre.
Let's wait for it!
I was just havig look all around my HD2 Looks like they found some used one in better contidion.Replace the sticker with IMEI an SN.-->Maybe they've put even my HW in to it.because IMEI and SN is still same----->second hand housing, screen with death pixels, sreen was't align in housing and few small s..ts.
I'll report next week hopefuly...
I'm in ...
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had nothing but problems with them,weeks without my phone, then they tried to charge me!!!!!useless twats!
OrionCarl said:
had nothing but problems with them,weeks without my phone, then they tried to charge me!!!!!useless twats!
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under the warranty?
What was explanation of service?
Never more HTC Service centre
HI everbody
So After 2nd comes 3th.
Yes my HD2 is going 1again and 2again and 3again to HTC qualified<----))) service centre Milton Keynes.in 1 month
'''''''''divece is with lines,ghost,death pixels,not responding,problem with signal,bat only for 1 day>1 pcall 15mins drain bat aprox 25%.....used to be ok before even after 2nd service.'''''''
ALL because I've had problem with Screen before first service.SH.T!!!!!
I Have no ideat want they do and for who they are working!!!!
Looks like to charge HTC TW-> more work = more money
Pleas IF you Have same Problem-s contact BBC watch dog.
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HI everbody
So After 2nd comes 3th.
Yes my HD2 is going 1again and 2again and 3again to HTC qualified<----))) service centre Milton Keynes.in 1 month
'''''''''divece is with lines,ghost,death pixels,not responding,problem with signal,bat only for 1 day>1 pcall 15mins drain bat aprox 25%.....used to be ok before even after 2nd service.'''''''
ALL because I've had problem with Screen before first service.SH.T!!!!!
I Have no ideat want they do and for who they are working!!!!
Looks like to charge HTC TW-> more work = more money
Pleas IF you Have same Problem-s contact BBC watch dog.
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Personally, I would e-mail HTC both UK headquarters and their Taiwan headquarters and explain how their repair service is unacceptable and is affecting their brand image as a producer of quality phones.
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Personally, I would e-mail HTC both UK headquarters and their Taiwan headquarters and explain how their repair service is unacceptable and is affecting their brand image as a producer of quality phones.
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Good Idea but have you got Email adr... to HTC Headquarters??
Hi..
Just let you know my experiences of HTC & my HD2
Had a problem with the USB charging socket, it was loose/broken - the phone would no longer charge. Contacted T-Mobile UK and they asked me to send it via one of their shops for repair, which I duly did. It went to SBE in Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer) who found water ingress (??) and therefore claimed the damage was OOW. So I contact SBE who agreed their report was wrong and that the damage was in fact caused by crushing or dropping (??) & was still OOW, they then returned the phone to the shop still broken.
So I emailed T-Mobs customer service and they suggested that if I was not happy (as if I would be) I should get a second opinion from HTC UK themselves and provided a phone number. I contacted them and they arranged for the phone to be collected. In the meantime I searched the web and found a few people having issues similar to mine with the USB port so I collected as much evidence as I could and printed and packed it in with the phone before they collected it, along with a letter explaining that I, and many others, did not accept that the phone was 'Fit for purpose'...
2 weeks after they picked it up, a replacement arrives on my doorstep!!!, same serial number, different IMEI and definitely a different phone. During the time that they had it they never contacted me to say what they were doing and the online repair tracker just indicated that they had received my phone.
Since I've had the phone, which is faultless, I have had 2 calls and 1 email from HTC asking me to complete a customer satisfaction form!!!
So - I think HTC UK, are, with a bit of persuasion perhaps, ... Brilliant!.. However, T-Mob won't be getting my business again...
Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer) = HTC service centrum
HTC_HD2_NEW said:
Hi..
Just let you know my experiences of HTC & my HD2
Had a problem with the USB charging socket, it was loose/broken - the phone would no longer charge. Contacted T-Mobile UK and they asked me to send it via one of their shops for repair, which I duly did. It went to SBE in Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer) who found water ingress (??) and therefore claimed the damage was OOW. So I contact SBE who agreed their report was wrong and that the damage was in fact caused by crushing or dropping (??) & was still OOW, they then returned the phone to the shop still broken.
So I emailed T-Mobs customer service and they suggested that if I was not happy (as if I would be) I should get a second opinion from HTC UK themselves and provided a phone number. I contacted them and they arranged for the phone to be collected. In the meantime I searched the web and found a few people having issues similar to mine with the USB port so I collected as much evidence as I could and printed and packed it in with the phone before they collected it, along with a letter explaining that I, and many others, did not accept that the phone was 'Fit for purpose'...
2 weeks after they picked it up, a replacement arrives on my doorstep!!!, same serial number, different IMEI and definitely a different phone. During the time that they had it they never contacted me to say what they were doing and the online repair tracker just indicated that they had received my phone.
Since I've had the phone, which is faultless, I have had 2 calls and 1 email from HTC asking me to complete a customer satisfaction form!!!
So - I think HTC UK, are, with a bit of persuasion perhaps, ... Brilliant!.. However, T-Mob won't be getting my business again...
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Problem is still in guys>>>>> Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer)---->IT's HTC official service centree as well!!!!
Im sure all HTC from any NetProvider must be fix in Milton Keynes anyway.
Hmm..
I did ask the question when I spoke to HTC and the guy on the phone assured me that they were not SBE, even though both addresses were in Milton Keynes..
To be fair, the addresses I had were different as was the paperwork!
Hi All,
for anyone thinking of purchasing one of these device I think you may wish to consider the following. I have been waiting for HTC repair to fix a manufacturers defect since 10th July. They now appear to have lost my phone. As follows:
- 10th July - reported a crack around the device. HTC advised that they would need to escalate the issue on ow to handle the case.
- 7th August - (1 month after reporting the problem) HTC made arrangement to pick up the device for repair.
- 16th August - received my HTC One. The cracks were still present + the glass was not fitted correctly.
- 20th August - send off for second repair
Today it becomes apparent that HTC have lost my device. They say it was repaired, and sent to UPS, who do not acknowledge receipt of it.
Unfortunately HTC are now going to investigate. I have requested a replacement handset many times from them, but they insist they get three attempts at the repair. Given previous experience this is likely to take weeks. Again I requested a replacement device today, but no. They insist the suffering must continue until HTC, putting itself first at the expense of its customers, has executed it processes and procedures.
I have been a HTC fan since the htc desire. I am very sad to say that I would not recommend the HTC One, because they are poorly manufactured, as per my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2408050
In addition to this, I will never buy a HTC device again because of the appalling service. Even if my HTC One turns up tomorrow, and it is perfect, I will be returning it to ee. This is purely because I have learnt that you cannot rely on HTC to repair their device in a reasonable way.
I can only hope that some one from HTC reads this, and decides to investigate, because they dont like the poor publicity. I doubt it though. My experience is that they are expert in saying sorry for poor service, but its only talk.
One last point, which I think others may benefit from. The effort that I have had to go through with HTC to get as far as I have is huge. A truly high maintenance experience.
Buy a HTC device at your peril!!!
UPDATE
This matter is now closed (well almost) with HTC as far as I am concerned. I had to shout very loud to get noticed, and it took much time, effort and persistence. As you can read in the remainder of this thread, my HTC experience, this time, was far from good.
However, when I was heard, they listened very carefully, and are acting. HTC have convinced me that they genuinely do care about every single customer experience, and they do read threads such as this, and are prepared to act. They are prepared to change anything and everything to improve.
I have worked with global telecoms businesses for most of my working life (30+ years) all over the world, and I can honestly say that I have never experienced such genuine commitment to improve and resolve issues.
I don't suppose that everything will be transformed overnight, but I know that they have real commitment and desire to excel. Its obvious, they have to. Look at their competitors.
I have but one remaining item of business with regards this experience, and its not with HTC, but my network. I had to do the legwork that they should have done on my behalf. Hopefully I wont have to author another thread etc to resolve this matter.
Now I love HTC again.
HTC - Heres to change, Im sure you will be champions of it. Samsung watch out. You may be huge but YOU are up against a formidable competitor.
zaphodbeeb said:
Even if my HTC One turns up tomorrow, and it is perfect, I will be returning it to ee.
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That's what you should have done in the first place; let EE deal with the hassle.
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That's what you should have done in the first place; let EE deal with the hassle.
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Hi Yes you are correct, however I was advised by ee in store to return it to HTC as they would be doing that, rather than repair it themselves because it was due to physical manufacture defect.
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Hi Yes you are correct, however I was advised by ee in store to return it to HTC as they would be doing that, rather than repair it themselves because it was due to physical manufacture defect.
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And therein lies the problem. You should've insisted that EE handled the repair because they were the original retailer, and therefore it is their statutory duty to make good on the repair and/or replace. I would still go back to EE and claim that since it has been nearly two months since you reported the initial fault, and that you have now been without a phone for 3 weeks, they should replace your device because it is unable to be repaired in a satisfactory time scale and that this is a breach of your statutory rights. Don't take no for an answer, and throw section 48B of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in their faces.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54/section/48B
Regards,
Dave
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And therein lies the problem. You should've insisted that EE handled the repair because they were the original retailer, and therefore it is their statutory duty to make good on the repair and/or replace. I would still go back to EE and claim that since it has been nearly two months since you reported the initial fault, and that you have now been without a phone for 3 weeks, they should replace your device because it is unable to be repaired in a satisfactory time scale and that this is a breach of your statutory rights. Don't take no for an answer, and throw section 48B of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in their faces.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54/section/48B
Regards,
Dave
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thank you. Very useful.
HTC have now re located my device, after a call from ee to them. I will now receive a perfectly repaired device back from htc next Tuesday (hopefully) else I'll be going around the houses yet again. If all is OK on Tuesday it will be 69 calendar days since I first reported the problem to HTC. Customer service excellence eh...
I would say that basically every phone company's warranty service is pretty garbage.
Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes it just sucks.
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3rd HTC repair attempt, but they want me to pay
Hi,
Had some new info from htc today. They lost my phone last week and have now decided that they want to charge me for another repair?!? This is without me even having the phone returned to me after the last repair attempt (2nd repair attempt, again under under warranty).
I can only assume that they caused yet more damage with their 2nd repair attempt, and they want me to pay for it.
I spoke to EE this morning who have raised this as an issue with OFCOM now. The last commitment from HTC (to both me and EE) was that they would return the repaired phone to me for 3/9/13. This was on Friday. I also tweeted HTC over the weekend and they committed to escalating the case (again).
I also want to say thanks to EE for their help in this matter, escalating it to OFCOM themselves.
Nearly
zaphodbeeb said:
Hi,
Had some new info from htc today. They lost my phone last week and have now decided that they want to charge me for another repair?!? This is without me even having the phone returned to me after the last repair attempt (2nd repair attempt, again under under warranty).
I can only assume that they caused yet more damage with their 2nd repair attempt, and they want me to pay for it.
I spoke to EE this morning who have raised this as an issue with OFCOM now. The last commitment from HTC (to both me and EE) was that they would return the repaired phone to me for 3/9/13. This was on Friday. I also tweeted HTC over the weekend and they committed to escalating the case (again).
I also want to say thanks to EE for their help in this matter, escalating it to OFCOM themselves.
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A minor update. HTC tweeted me again after another day on the phone with ee, htc uk, and htc tweeters, As follows:
- HTC uk have now decided (with ee's help again) not to charge me and have advised that my repair is complete and MAY be with me today, despite using UPS standard. UPS have not received the device yet so I will not be receiving the device today as promised under this courier arrangement. I am now exactly where I was 1 week ago with HTC.
I was tweeted again by htc to ask what my ticket number is, so I provided this (as I did on Saturday when they requested it). I tweeted them to 121 courier it to me today.
HTC UK customer service have agreed to email me in the morning to update me on the UPS standard delivery and have refused to courier it to me by any other method because no managers are available to arrange this. Maybe , just maybe, today will be the day my HTC One is returned without defect. I also tweeted that I want a written letter of apology, compensation and a fault free htc one today.
EE have been absolutely brilliant today and have really given me excellent support. thank you Gareth and team for your support.
HTC customer service sucks donkey balls
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Don't tell me.... said manufacturing defect is the much lauded gap in the "gapless" technology phone?
Seriously if the phone was less than 28 days old, I would of returned it to EE for a replacement on the spot, although I wouldn't of bothered as every phone in the world has issues, as they aren't Rolls Royce or Rolex's.
I didnt bother for a month after receiving but the crack got worse. The real problem is not the crack. The crack is caused by the front of the device not being squarely attached to the rear, which causes an over/underhang at the top/bottom. I recommend you check yours and return if you can feel this with your fingernail, else yours may crack also. Also check to see if the glass is fitted evenly (see pics). I think this is also caused by the poor front/back fitting as it stops the glass from fitting correctly. If you have your phone on contract I agree (with hindsight) that you should return to your network provider for repair. Going to HTC (UK) has been a disaster. My network (EE) have been brilliant "motivating" HTC to repair the device. Any how the phone is now repaired and, supposedly, on its way to me. I have but one remaining item of business with HTC (UK) which is delivery. They promised to get it to me today, but are using ups standard which wont deliver that result. Yesterday I asked them to escalate this issue and make arrangement for a person to person delivery today. Still waiting for feedback from my escalation, but yesterday they advised that no-one in HTC (UK) has the authority to do this!! I think this actually means they cant be bothered, even after taking 70 days to fix a problem. Hopeless.
I tweeted HTC yesterday and they are looking into my case. They also said they would do this on Saturday however with no apparent results or updates from them. More lip service I think. Still I'll do the silly HTC repair dance for as long as it takes, and cause as much pain and shame as is necessary to do it.
Sorry, but I had the same issue on my One. It didn't get worse or bother me at all. You could of just lived with it and not got so OCD and about.
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Sean88 said:
Sorry, but I had the same issue on my One. It didn't get worse or bother me at all. You could of just lived with it and not got so OCD and about.
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Look at the pics. If u think thats acceptable then fine, but I am not you. The device was in the process of falling to bits. In my case it did get worse as you can see. You may think that Im OCD, but the law states that the device should be free from defect, and I am thankful of it. Thank you for the valuable contribution to this thread.
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Don't tell me.... said manufacturing defect is the much lauded gap in the "gapless" technology phone?
Seriously if the phone was less than 28 days old, I would of returned it to EE for a replacement on the spot, although I wouldn't of bothered as every phone in the world has issues, as they aren't Rolls Royce or Rolex's.
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The gapless tech does not cover the speaker area. This has been said many times, even HTC has said it in one of their blogs.
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Oh dear, oh dear
Hi,
got the phone back today, and the gap is back but is now full of a glue. This was actually fixed after the first repair but its back. There is also additional damage in the form of a chunk out of the corner, and an additional gap at the side of the device. The glass problem is yet to be fixed as is the over/underhang, and theres lots of excess glue around the device.
Lucky I got before and after photos at repair cycle. Repair not accepted. No more HTC repairs for me I think.
I made much noise on twitter, and now have a publicly made personal commitment from a HTC senior exec to help with the matter (Twitter is marvelous in these circumstances). I await his response. I am somewhat relieved at this as it does show, at least at the top, that they do care.
So there's good, and there's bad in this update, so unfortunately its still a thumbs down from me. as my problem is still not resolved 71 days after I first reported it.
I offered my professional services to help transform HTC but have not heard anything back yet.
The helpful EE guy I was talking to has disappeared off the face of the planet also until Saturday apparently also. BBC;s watchdog have had a sniff so this could be the start of my TV career, if HTC dont want to hire me.
I also updated HTC and advised that I will only discuss this with the senior exec who offered his services from this point on.
P.S Apologies for the poor pics. I had to use my old phones camera.
Whereas this story is very poor I have to say HTC's UK repairs center were great when it came to me sending in my old Desire and Sensation for repair. 3 day turnaround and both sorted without bother. It does seem like this is a bad experience, though, and one that would just make me claim on my insurance to get a new handset as opposed to getting one repaired
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Whereas this story is very poor I have to say HTC's UK repairs center were great when it came to me sending in my old Desire and Sensation for repair. 3 day turnaround and both sorted without bother. It does seem like this is a bad experience, though, and one that would just make me claim on my insurance to get a new handset as opposed to getting one repaired
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My device is under warranty. This is the result of three warranty repairs, lots of escalation, costs (time spent, days off waiting for the device to be returned) and grief. How would I make a claim on insurance, its in warranty. Believe me,if I thought my insurance company would fix my ongoing problem I would have claimed. I HAVE authored a thread previously stating what an excellent level of service I received from HTC UK repair, when I had a problem with my HTC desire.
I will give credit where credit is due, and complain when it is due. I want to write nice things about HTC, but in this case I cannot unfortunately.
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My device is under warranty. This is the result of three warranty repairs, lots of escalation, costs (time spent, days off waiting for the device to be returned) and grief. How would I make a claim on insurance, its in warranty. Believe me,if I thought my insurance company would fix my ongoing problem I would have claimed. I HAVE authored a thread previously stating what an excellent level of service I received from HTC UK repair, when I had a problem with my HTC desire.
I will give credit where credit is due, and complain when it is due. I want to write nice things about HTC, but in this case I cannot unfortunately.
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Oh, I know what you're saying. I'm just saying if I'd had this much agro I would've just got the phone back unrepaired and claim on my insurance and just a brand new handset...sucks that this has happened to you
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Oh, I know what you're saying. I'm just saying if I'd had this much agro I would've just got the phone back unrepaired and claim on my insurance and just a brand new handset...sucks that this has happened to you
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But would your experience figure in your next purchase? HTC have made contact and I am confident they are taking this matter seriously. Hopefully be seeing improvements and lots of positive reviews like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432718
soon. I wont give this a thumbs up just yet, but I am more confident so fingers crossed :fingers-crossed: