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Look at this (from 1:44 on):
It's a quadrant benchmark run on a android port on the HD2. Graphics are really bad, but in the end it has approximately the same score as the benchmarking score of the Galaxy with the original firmware. I mean what is in a score? If I look at the beginning of the movie, the UI is very slow and not as responsive as the Galaxy
(BTW i got 55.7 FPS with the neocore benchmark on JM2)
This is not to say that I don't have deep respect for what the HD2-android development team is doing. Really amazing job. I just can't wait to get my HD2 back from repair.
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Look at this (from 1:44 on):
It's a quadrant benchmark run on a android port on the HD2. Graphics are really bad, but in the end it has approximately the same score as the benchmarking score of the Galaxy with the original firmware. I mean what is in a score? If I look at the beginning of the movie, the UI is very slow and not as responsive as the Galaxy
(BTW i got 55.7 FPS with the neocore benchmark on JM2)
This is not to say that I don't have deep respect for what the HD2-android development team is doing. Really amazing job. I just can't wait to get my HD2 back from repair.
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Quadrant scores have been criticized for their non-descript breakdowns, at least on their free suite. Also, the fact that they chose the weighting of the scores, so should they chose 2D is equal to 3D weight, I don't know their formula (and for all I know, they give equal weighting to all or they give equal weighting to all test where the CPU has 12 tests and the 3D graphics has 4), but the fact that we, as users don't have access to their formula on their website is a bit unnerving.
Add to that the fact that many reviews and videos rely on it so heavily leaves users a bit misinformed. In reality, and thorough review should definitely run a custom test suite to give individual scores to:
CPU
Memory
I/O
2D graphics
3D graphics
That way users can compare what's important to them. The Galaxy S suffers from terrible I/O and the hacks that have given the fixes typically boost Galaxy scores to nearly double their rates, and it's majorly attributed to improving a bunk I/O score.
Totally agree. In addition, it would be really nice to know which benchmarked factors are responsible for which functions. For example it is really interesting to see how the hd2 performs before the user is running the tests. When the user is scrolling through the setting menu there is a very noticible lag. Given the fact that the total score is nearly the same as the scrore for the SGS, and thar the graphic score of the hd2 is bad in comparisson to the SGS, I would conclude that graphic performance is very important for the way the ui responds.
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Totally agree. In addition, it would be really nice to know which benchmarked factors are responsible for which functions. For example it is really interesting to see how the hd2 performs before the user is running the tests. When the user is scrolling through the setting menu there is a very noticible lag. Given the fact that the total score is nearly the same as the scrore for the SGS, and thar the graphic score of the hd2 is bad in comparisson to the SGS, I would conclude that graphic performance is very important for the way the ui responds.
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From what I can tell, the HD2 got a decent score 'cos it was running Froyo. When we get bumped up to an official froyo build with JIT fully optimized, We should be top of the pile.
don't forget, android isn't working 100% on the HD2.
I personally think it's pointless comparing to a not complete port.
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Quadrant scores have been criticized for their non-descript breakdowns, at least on their free suite. Also, the fact that they chose the weighting of the scores, so should they chose 2D is equal to 3D weight, I don't know their formula (and for all I know, they give equal weighting to all or they give equal weighting to all test where the CPU has 12 tests and the 3D graphics has 4), but the fact that we, as users don't have access to their formula on their website is a bit unnerving.
Add to that the fact that many reviews and videos rely on it so heavily leaves users a bit misinformed. In reality, and thorough review should definitely run a custom test suite to give individual scores to:
CPU
Memory
I/O
2D graphics
3D graphics
That way users can compare what's important to them. The Galaxy S suffers from terrible I/O and the hacks that have given the fixes typically boost Galaxy scores to nearly double their rates, and it's majorly attributed to improving a bunk I/O score.
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Even then though, it's possible to write a benchmark which wins constantly for any phone.
In regards to "terrible I/O", that might even be due to a bug in the FAT32 drivers. Yes you can benchmark it, but it wont mean much. The best way is to actually TEST the applications you need, rather than select a phone based on benchmarks. However, you are possibly best off looking at the component specs, because they ignore software bugs.
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don't forget, android isn't working 100% on the HD2.
I personally think it's pointless comparing to a not complete port.
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But the topic is about "what's in a score". Maybe one can generally say that is pointless to compare devices this way. I think that such benchmark scores are only (a bit) relevant at the two poles of the benchmark score spectrum. Everything in between can be neglected due to the uninformed way sub-scores are evaluated.
You got 55.7 FPS on Neocore as the sgs has vertical sync enabled, the refresh rate on the sgs'es screen is 56 fps and thus you can only go up to 56 fps as the v-sync is on. This proves that the sgs is indeed a much more powerful device that is actually being held back. If you can disable the v-sync then you can get a higher fps score
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But the topic is about "what's in a score". Maybe one can generally say that is pointless to compare devices this way. I think that such benchmark scores are only (a bit) relevant at the two poles of the benchmark score spectrum. Everything in between can be neglected due to the uninformed way sub-scores are evaluated.
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I just read in a post that the Galaxy S gets a 0 on the 2D score:
"JIT isn't fully enabled in the current froyo versions, and quadrant, frankly, is bull**** (for exmple, 2d acceleration gets the same weight in the final result as 3D. Due to the fact that the SGS doesn't have a dedicated 2D accelerator, quadrant doesn't try to use the cpu- it just gives a round zero in that part)"
I can't confirm this, but that definitely seems like a terrible set-up, seeing as how I'm pretty sure I have games run in 2D, so to say that it can't do it just seems wrong regardless of if the SGS has a dedicated 2D accelerator or not (so if you aren't testing the way it performs in real-world, why are you testing?)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=737787&page=3
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You got 55.7 FPS on Neocore as the sgs has vertical sync enabled, the refresh rate on the sgs'es screen is 56 fps and thus you can only go up to 56 fps as the v-sync is on. This proves that the sgs is indeed a much more powerful device that is actually being held back. If you can disable the v-sync then you can get a higher fps score
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It isn't really being held back - the screen can't display more than 56 fps as you say, and it wouldn't really be visible even if it could. Disabling v-sync isn't really that important, we need a benchmark that can actually use the advanced features in the SGS GPU (Neocore just pushes a fairly small amount of polygons with no real extras.) Using current 3D benchmarks to benchmark the SGS is like using quake 1 to benchmark the brand new ATI/nVidia cards.
The benchmark is what is at fault here, not the device
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It isn't really being held back - the screen can't display more than 56 fps as you say, and it wouldn't really be visible even if it could. Disabling v-sync isn't really that important, we need a benchmark that can actually use the advanced features in the SGS GPU (Neocore just pushes a fairly small amount of polygons with no real extras.) Using current 3D benchmarks to benchmark the SGS is like using quake 1 to benchmark the brand new ATI/nVidia cards.
The benchmark is what is at fault here, not the device
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I don't want to speak for the other poster, and I agree with your premise, however, it isn't actually solving the issue at hand. Better FPS wouldn't be noticed, however, it would give a better score and, more importantly, indicate it's potential. So, getting 56FPS isn't doing the phone any justice within the score, which is what reviews are using, giving it an artificially low score, and putting it more in line with units that can't compete on higher end games. So, when a site like anand pushes 150FPS on a game, I know that means that their rig is entirely too powerful for the game in question, but it still means something when you compare it to the lower end graphics card that only gets 90...then when they run Crisis you see these results play out more with differences that we can notice with the eye.
I think the HD2 gets that score because, as I can see in the video, the CPU tests run faster compared to my SGS, probably because of Froyo, and I know, from the time I had the Diamond and the HD2, that the internal memory and RAM are very fast. Sadly SGS has a slow internal memory, atleast when used by the phone`s software, when copying from PC is faster than my class 6 microSD. Luckily, we have mimocan`s fix. Hope this will be fixed in future FW`s.
NexusHD2 with-FRG83D V1.7 with hastarin r8.5.1 On my HD2 got 1920 in quadrant,31.5 on neocore, and 37 on linmark.
The lag might be because you are using launcher pro, I use launcher pro and sometimes it makes the the lock lag on my phone but it doesn't happen when I use the default lock also if you have alot of Widgets on your screen it will cause lag also
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Look at this (from 1:44 on):
It's a quadrant benchmark run on a android port on the HD2. Graphics are really bad, but in the end it has approximately the same score as the benchmarking score of the Galaxy with the original firmware. I mean what is in a score? If I look at the beginning of the movie, the UI is very slow and not as responsive as the Galaxy
(BTW i got 55.7 FPS with the neocore benchmark on JM2)
This is not to say that I don't have deep respect for what the HD2-android development team is doing. Really amazing job. I just can't wait to get my HD2 back from repair.
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same galaxy s scores 6000+ in quadrant with custem roms
The HD 2 is a better fit for quadrent then the sgs as quadrent was made for the snapdragon processor which the hd2 has and the sgs does not. Comparing apples to orenges in an apple juice contest doesn't really prove much. Use real life feel. If you care about the scores a rom can be made to get you over 3000 quad score but is laggy as hell. Don't believe me? Look at my sig
interesting... I was using quadrant to see how a stock xxjvo and gingerreal compared. Surely that would indicate a real speed difference and not just be some kind of "hack" ?
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The HD 2 is a better fit for quadrent then the sgs as quadrent was made for the snapdragon processor which the hd2 has and the sgs does not.
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That's right.
HD2 uses two android OS :
- Cyanogenmod, that is faster than our samsung os..
- Nexus one's port to HD2, greatly optimized by google...
It's really fast. I upgraded my father's HD2 last month, replacing windows in the NAND with CM7. It really makes a big change, the phone is like brand new ^^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012556
Quadrant is pretty flawed. And I say that being someone who had a phone (before modifications) that was mid-range in Quadrant (Galaxy S), and having a phone that's right top of the heap (Galaxy S II)
I cannot understand why everyone is saying that hummingbird processor is better than snapdragon and that's why I started this thread.
I own an HD2 (snapdragon) and SGS (hummingbird).
I've run linpack and quadrant in both phones and here are the results showing that snapdragon is 4 to 5 times faster.
Hummingbird: linpack 13,864 quadrant CPU 1456
Snapdragon: linpack 63,122 quadrant CPU 4122
I'm only talking for the CPU cause if you go to 3D I'll agree that hummingbird is better (but I don't care about 3D cause I don't use my device for games)
Both phones have android 2,2 installed and I have voodoo lagfix installed in SGS
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I cannot understand why everyone is saying that hummingbird processor is better than snapdragon and that's why I started this thread.
I own an HD2 (snapdragon) and SGS (hummingbird).
I've run linpack and quadrant in both phones and here are the results showing that snapdragon is 4 to 5 times faster.
Hummingbird: linpack 13,864 quadrant CPU 1456
Snapdragon: linpack 63,122 quadrant CPU 4122
I'm only talking for the CPU cause if you go to 3D I'll agree that hummingbird is better (but I don't care about 3D cause I don't use my device for games)
Both phones have android 2,2 installed and I have voodoo lagfix installed in SGS
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After looking into it for a while, I was focusing on what makes the Nexus One so much better than the other phones. On the chip level, I didn’t see it. Then it dawned on me to look at what Google had to say on the matter. Well, it was there in black and white. In their 20 May 2010 Developer’s Blog entry (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/android-22-and-developers-goodies.html) they say that people could see a 2-5x speed increase. I think it is pointed out in an entry later in the blog dealing with NDK, which I initially missed: “ARM Advanced SIMD (a.k.a. NEON) instruction support The NEON instruction set extension can be used to perform scalar computations on integers and floating points. However, it is an optional CPU feature and will not be supported by all Android ARMv7-A based devices. The NDK includes a tiny library named “cpufeatures” that can be used by native code to test at runtime the features supported by the device’s target CPU.”
So, I guess this means that NEON is the difference. If your phone’s CPU has it and it’s enabled for JIT, you can expect higher Linpack numbers.
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http://www.greenecomputing.com/2010...ack-scores-so-mucher-higher-than-on-my-phone/
Now stop making topics like this.
the difference you notice is software related
If you want a real test, run a hd video on both phones, or a psx emulator and see if the nexus one is 5x faster... it is the same if not slower then the sgs
Well, SGS got hardware h264 decoding acceleration. Also, maybe you forget, but:
he Hummingbird comes with 32KB each of data and instruction caches, an L2 cache, the size of which can be customized, and an ARM® NEON™ multi-media extension.
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SAMSUNG and Intrinsity Jointly Develop the World's Fastest ARM® Cortex™-A8 Processor Based Mobile Core in 45 Nanometer Low Power Process
Advanced SIMD (NEON)
The Advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON technology, is a combined 64- and 128-bit single instruction multiple data (SIMD) instruction set that provides standardized acceleration for media and signal processing applications. NEON can execute MP3 audio decoding on CPUs running at 10 MHz and can run the GSM AMR (Adaptive Multi-Rate) speech codec at no more than 13 MHz. It features a comprehensive instruction set, separate register files and independent execution hardware. NEON supports 8-, 16-, 32- and 64-bit integer and single-precision (32-bit) floating-point data and operates in SIMD operations for handling audio and video processing as well as graphics and gaming processing. In NEON, the SIMD supports up to 16 operations at the same time. The NEON hardware shares the same floating-point registers as used in VFP.
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source: wiki
This means Hummingbirds are equipped with NEON. Why its not so effective/used in Quadrant/Linpack? My guess they (these benchmarks) are not compiled/optimised for Hummingbirds, just for Snapdragons.
I came from owning an iPhone and playing lots of games on it. I bought the SGS purely for the gaming performance of the Hummingbird processor.
Having seen the difference in game quality between the HTC Desire and the SGS, I know I made the right decision. Benchmarks don't mean anything.
As long as the device can run apps, games, multimedia smoothly, I dont care much about those benchmarkers, maybe they were designed and/or optimized for snapdragon prior to hummingbird.
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i bet you anything he actually doesn't have a sgs...lol
jealousy maybe just a troll, ignore
In terms of overall smoothness (everything, not just games) the SGS is vastly superior to any other android phone I've seen (Desire included).
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Really? You have to go all out and use the word "everything" when the phone can get major lockups?
"most things" sounds like a more reasonable and believable choice of words...
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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man. if you are not happy, then i think you should sell it. no one here will give you a satisfying answer that warm your heart. look for desire hd or something.
to answer ur questions. i get a 2100+ on quadrant. using voodoo fix and oclf on my eclaire. lag free and smooth as butter.
but either way, these test scores mean nothing. they were not designed for samusng hardware. it was designed based on htc and the snapdragon processor.
even people who use neocore for gpu are wrong. if you wana test the gpu performance, use nenamark1. the sgs gives u 49+ fps while the desire HD struggle to give u 35. while if you use neocore. the sgs gives u 56 while desire hd 58
my point is most of those software were designed with htc hardware in mind. so you cant really compare them.
just test your device for your self. apply whatever best roms you find here. if it doesnt lag and smooth for you. then ^^^^ everyone else.
the display alone is worth keepin the sgs for me. sure people might like i phone 4 display more. but nothing in my eyes come close to the contrast and colors of the super amoled. watching a movie or playing a game is a joy in this device.
hell yesterday evening a local htc store had a demo of desire hd. and the guy was nice enough to me play with it for like 1 hour.
device as a hardware look. its friggin sexy as hell. screen ? beauitful large 4.3 screen. quality colors compared to sgs ? fail. a lil slow and laggy " i am sure its because of the firmware. once roms are out, it will be faster "
i was thinking to change to desire hd honestly. but i wake away from the store kissing my sgs.
i love the desire hf look and feel. but as of now its not as smooth as my sgs. and the screen isnt as vibrant.
Psx emulator does not use the gpu...yet
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Psx emulator does not use the gpu...yet
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this. i played king of fighters on my hd2 and it was laggy as hell
smooth as butter on my galaxy s
to be honest. the day psx4droid use gpu. galaxy owners are in heaven.
Its unlikely it ever will though, even modern pc emulators barely use the gpu, only for anti aliasing
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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Why in hell woul you want to incodea video using a smartPHONE...?
It's like trying to fit your family and grocery in a sport car... not made for this bro!
stop trying to find reason to "not like" the SGS, if you don't like it, sell it and be done...
Snapdragon/Hummingbird scores in glbenchmark (nexus one/galaxy s):
integer: 20661/27624
float: 11173/7968
I guess glbenchmark uses native C code (hopefully with armv7 optimization), so the JIT compiler has no effect. From the scores it seems that the floating point unit in Snapdragon is faster - but most of the time it is not used (except video & games).
Anyway, a benchmark to measure the same algorithm in both native & java code with scalar & vector instructions would be great...
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Why in hell woul you want to incodea video using a smartPHONE...?
It's like trying to fit your family and grocery in a sport car... not made for this bro!
stop trying to find reason to "not like" the SGS, if you don't like it, sell it and be done...
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he's not whining, well, not in the first place and i don't see any harm on that i think he's trying to UNDERSTAND reasons behind numbers and daily use with help of other people, so am i. if i had to sell phones for every problem i encounter i will problaby be without (smart)phone at this time
i don't care about benchmarks, but if you think that sgs is smoother than hd2 xda optimized (with wm 6.5 or android 2.2) you obviously never owned an hd2 i'm not talking about games, like johcos says galaxy s performance is not questionable. but android is not all about game. anyway, i don't think hardware is the problem here, sure sgs is superior in many aspects, we know that, regardless benchmarks (even if it seems here that only benchmarks where sgs win are trustworthy, others are not good, not optimized, not realistic, meaningless for real life performance etc.). with a little help from samsung and this community sgs will soon outperform (in real usage) all snapdragon phones. i hope
...when average men talk about the high tech w/o knowledge, boo
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man. if you are not happy, then i think you should sell it. no one here will give you a satisfying answer that warm your heart. look for desire hd or something.
to answer ur questions. i get a 2100+ on quadrant. using voodoo fix and oclf on my eclaire. lag free and smooth as butter.
but either way, these test scores mean nothing. they were not designed for samusng hardware. it was designed based on htc and the snapdragon processor.
even people who use neocore for gpu are wrong. if you wana test the gpu performance, use nenamark1. the sgs gives u 49+ fps while the desire HD struggle to give u 35. while if you use neocore. the sgs gives u 56 while desire hd 58
my point is most of those software were designed with htc hardware in mind. so you cant really compare them.
just test your device for your self. apply whatever best roms you find here. if it doesnt lag and smooth for you. then ^^^^ everyone else.
the display alone is worth keepin the sgs for me. sure people might like i phone 4 display more. but nothing in my eyes come close to the contrast and colors of the super amoled. watching a movie or playing a game is a joy in this device.
hell yesterday evening a local htc store had a demo of desire hd. and the guy was nice enough to me play with it for like 1 hour.
device as a hardware look. its friggin sexy as hell. screen ? beauitful large 4.3 screen. quality colors compared to sgs ? fail. a lil slow and laggy " i am sure its because of the firmware. once roms are out, it will be faster "
i was thinking to change to desire hd honestly. but i wake away from the store kissing my sgs.
i love the desire hf look and feel. but as of now its not as smooth as my sgs. and the screen isnt as vibrant.
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Honestly couldn't agree anymore, even with all the problems the SGS has. The screen+hardware combination is just too overwhelming for me to swap the phone for something else.
Now that's better mm? What do you think
http://www.inspiredgeek.com/2011/03...4210-vs-tegra-2-which-version-will-be-better/
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...xy-s2-featuring-samsung-exynos-4210-revealed/
Feel free to comment, interpret and discuss. This is the latest I could find.
Links to benchmark of a tablet using same CPU/GPU and same clock frequency
as SGS2. Exynos seems capable to do much better than in the benchmarks you included.
It could be a indication that the SGS2 SW is pretty old.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12361281&postcount=377
The tablet benchmark is pretty impressive. Even with its higher resolution, it beats tegra. Hopefully the performance will reflect on the Galaxy S 2.
Impressive benchmark. I didn't know about GPU Exynos is good.
But battery draining is less maybe!
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These benchmarks are not new at all, they are here for weeks, get up...
LG Optimus Speed kicks SGS2's Ass?
Check this out!
http://translate.google.com/transla...est-lg-optimus-speed-schneller-als-galaxy-s2/
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Check this out!
http://translate.google.com/transla...est-lg-optimus-speed-schneller-als-galaxy-s2/
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Nice to see a tuned LG getting hi bench.
Real question is, what will the SGS2 get when it;s tuned.
Or what will the 2 devices straight out the box score (as most consumers will use it that way).
These benchmarks are for the e-penis , what counts how fast it feels , how it feels in the hand , how the ui is , how the sound is , how the camera is and what it can run smoothly and countless other things.
Still a good result for the sgs2 though , big quadrant scores and all stock. We all how Quadrant can drastically change with lil changes.
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Check this out!
http://translate.google.com/transla...est-lg-optimus-speed-schneller-als-galaxy-s2/
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It looks like it s not even an O2X ! I bet it s a Nexus S looking at the top bar, an overclocked Nexus S
Btw everyone know that quadrant is flawed
and every other Tablet for good measure... so much for an additional $100
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-101-Review-Android-31-Tablet/?page=4
To be fair, they did mention the fact that the Galaxy Tab is running HC 3.0
Real World Performance is What Really Matters But This is Still Surprising. Asus just needs to fix typing and browser lags and all is gravy for me. Oh Also Samsung 10.1 Doesn't have 3.1 yet so that might boost its quadrant scores.
HorsexD said:
Real World Performance is What Really Matters But This is Still Surprising. Asus just needs to fix typing and browser lags and all is gravy for me. Oh Also Samsung 10.1 Doesn't have 3.1 yet so that might boost its quadrant scores.
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Pretty sure the 10.1 is now shipping with (or being upgraded to) 3.1
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/internet-tablets/samsung-galaxy-tab-10.1-review/12086.html
Nice results for the G-Tablet. Not bad for a $250 tablet.
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To be fair, they did mention the fact that the Galaxy Tab is running HC 3.0
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That's not fair to mention at all, since TF101 ALL benchmarks went down not up after 3.1 update.
I hope someone can figure out why it's getting such poor performance results. What makes this really odd is that most reviews site its snappy performance when web browsing and its ability to play back 1080p movies very well.
nothing odd about it - simulated benchmarks are useless because they can never properly simulate real world usage or properly simulate the differences in hardware and software on the devices being benchmarked.
For instance 1080p video playback has absolutely nothing todo with the instructions being simulated in benchmarks like these, videoplayback are handled by a hardware codec and the abilities of this codec has nothing todo with the rest of the cpu, or weather the cpu are 600mhz or 1.2ghz, single core or dual core etc.
Quadrant scores etc. tells nothing about how optimized the software on the device is - like how smooth the device feels in normal operations. Example, the same device will score the same quadrant score no matter which launcher is used, and no matter how smooth or how laggy this launcher operates when swiping homescreens. It will score the same result no matter how laggy a device may feel because of wrong memory management configuration and so on, it will score the same result no matter if the device has 512mb or 1gb ram, despite the device with 1gb will feel smoother in operations because it can store more open applications in ram. Etc. etc.
Quadrant score shows nothing except how good a device can run Quadrant, and this may differ depending on how Quadrant are optimised for the specific chipset/cpu.
It wont show anything else, it wont show how good the device can run specific games because this depends on the individual game and how this is optimised for the specific cpu/gpu, it wont show how smooth the device feels in general operation handling the gui or different applications because this depends on so many other things which cant be simulated, it wont show how good it can handle different video because this also depends on other things which cant be simulated.
Quadrant scores and other test scores like it are good for only one thing
They are tools for "big boys" that needs to compare "**** sizes"
- but since you cant go around showing pictures of your ****, you can allways show a screenshot of a quadrant score and go "mines bigger than yours"
spawndk said:
Quadrant scores and other test scores like it are good for only one thing
They are tools for "big boys" that needs to compare "**** sizes"
- but since you cant go around showing pictures of your ****, you can allways show a screenshot of a quadrant score and go "mines bigger than yours"
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Great description of Quadrant. There's a t-shirt in there somewhere
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spawndk said:
nothing odd about it - simulated benchmarks are useless because they can never properly simulate real world usage or properly simulate the differences in hardware and software on the devices being benchmarked.
For instance 1080p video playback has absolutely nothing todo with the instructions being simulated in benchmarks like these, videoplayback are handled by a hardware codec and the abilities of this codec has nothing todo with the rest of the cpu, or weather the cpu are 600mhz or 1.2ghz, single core or dual core etc.
Quadrant scores etc. tells nothing about how optimized the software on the device is - like how smooth the device feels in normal operations. Example, the same device will score the same quadrant score no matter which launcher is used, and no matter how smooth or how laggy this launcher operates when swiping homescreens. It will score the same result no matter how laggy a device may feel because of wrong memory management configuration and so on, it will score the same result no matter if the device has 512mb or 1gb ram, despite the device with 1gb will feel smoother in operations because it can store more open applications in ram. Etc. etc.
Quadrant score shows nothing except how good a device can run Quadrant, and this may differ depending on how Quadrant are optimised for the specific chipset/cpu.
It wont show anything else, it wont show how good the device can run specific games because this depends on the individual game and how this is optimised for the specific cpu/gpu, it wont show how smooth the device feels in general operation handling the gui or different applications because this depends on so many other things which cant be simulated, it wont show how good it can handle different video because this also depends on other things which cant be simulated.
Quadrant scores and other test scores like it are good for only one thing
They are tools for "big boys" that needs to compare "**** sizes"
- but since you cant go around showing pictures of your ****, you can allways show a screenshot of a quadrant score and go "mines bigger than yours"
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Quadrant Envy?
Honestly the benchmarks results are the more relevant part of that review. Obviously that review was either paid for or the writer is devout samsung fanboy. I'm not going to to defend the benchmarks(which do have value), however to write a review where the reviewed device loses is almost every category and then summarize that the benchamrks you yourself chose to run are meaningless and that the reviewed device is obviously superior to the other devices is amazing. Rings of many ipad reviews.
Hello everyone! I used to play in my old LG 2 Mini games like Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider 2. The game in some places, more open areas had a few frames drops. That was only with full details settings. In the middle details this no longer happened, run at full speed. I bought the Moto G4 Plus, thought it would have a better performance, but it turned out to be worse than a 2014 device (in my country) with 1GB of Ram and a Quad-Core processor. I really can not understand ... It is only my device or does anyone else have this problem?
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ZeDaimaoh said:
Hello everyone! I used to play in my old LG 2 Mini games like Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb Raider 2. The game in some places, more open areas had a few frames drops. That was only with full details settings. In the middle details this no longer happened, run at full speed. I bought the Moto G4 Plus, thought it would have a better performance, but it turned out to be worse than a 2014 device (in my country) with 1GB of Ram and a Quad-Core processor. I really can not understand ... It is only my device or does anyone else have this problem?
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Have a look at here for benchmarks https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/rom-benchmarks-t3575807 You can play heavy games for sure, some people do it,but you can compare the specs of your phone with others and see that the cpu isn't that suitable then others. It's not a high end device. Keep this in mind!
Yes, I know it's not a hi-end device and is not the best for gaming, but ... a 2014 device with a lower hardware could do better ... anyway I did a benchmark on AnTuTu v6. 2.7 and my score was 43620 running on LineageOS 14.1-20170918, stock kernel. I really do not take seriously benchmark results, I'd rather use it to prove it. This one goes to my mother, I'm going to change my smartphone, going back to LG .... Thanks!
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ZeDaimaoh said:
Yes, I know it's not a hi-end device and is not the best for gaming, but ... a 2014 device with a lower hardware could do better ... anyway I did a benchmark on AnTuTu v6. 2.7 and my score was 43620 running on LineageOS 14.1-20170918, stock kernel. I really do not take seriously benchmark results, I'd rather use it to prove it. This one goes to my mother, I'm going to change my smartphone, going back to LG .... Thanks!
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Before buying a smartphone for a specific purpose(gaming) consider to ask here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179