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I've never participated in a forum where experienced members refused to assist others. Even other xda forums seem more helpful than this Athena forum.
I bought an x7501 off ebay a few days ago, and I've been playing with it. It's performance is not consistent, and I'm wondering if it is defective.
It was sold as NIB (new in box) and it appeared to be unopened when I received it, but I can't be 100% certain that is the case.
Some simple operations are grossly slow. The problems are intermittent, the worse kind to trouble shoot. Recently, I tapped on the CommManager icon on the Today screen at it took 15 seconds to open CommManager.
When I first received the unit, I installed Google Maps and tried out the GPS. I was able to connect to GPS inside my house. This morning I couldn't connect in my car, and when I stopped the car, I tried to connect standing outside in the open. After about five minutes, it wouldn't connect, so I went inside my house, and after a few more minutes, it did connect. While I was waiting for it to connect, I got my Kaiser and opened Google Maps and connected to GPS withing a few seconds outside in the open.
I had installed Opera 9.5 beta and NetFront 3.5 as well as RealVGA and MvRTrueVGA, and after running into strange display artifacts and bugs in the beta browsers, I decided to clear everything out, and ran the Clear Storage utility in System Settings. I had done this once before when trouble shooting failed attempts to connect the Athena to my Belkin Pre-N WiFi router.
So, now, all that's installed other than the what came on the phone is Google Maps and NetFront 3.5.
The battery performance is also a bit strange to me. It seems to be discharging even when I have it connected to my computer using the USB cable. Nothing is open in the background, and I wasn't using it, but it showed 70% when I connected it, and thirty minutes later it showed 60%. Is that normal?
Is the ROM that shipped with the phone questionable?
Might I get better, more reliable, more consistent performance with one of the ROMs available here?
I'm not ready to give up, but I'm not encouraged at the moment, and I'm not sure what to do next.
May I suggest Dual PK 3.0. Try backing up all that you have now and flash it with Dual PK and let us know the update.
Regarding the battery drain issue, most computer USB ports and non-factory chargers don't give enough power to even maintain (let alone charge) if you have all the radios on. Especially the GPS radio which seems to need a lot of power - I can go all day with the cell and bluetooth radios on and still have 90% charge after 16 hours, with little cell or internet use. But if I turn on the GPS it will be discharged within a few hours.
Computer USB ports are usually limited to 500 milliamps, and some chargers are less, so the only good solution is to only use the factory charger if you have everything on. Turn down your screen brightness, too. I leave mine at 50% both on the battery and when plugged in, except in full sunlight.
As for the GPS reception, its very bad. I have a sirf/star mouse-style GPS unit which locks on within seconds in the middle of the 1st floor of my 2-story house, attached to my Palm or a computer. My X7501 usually won't lock on even when I'm near a window. I rarely have a problem outside or in my car, though. I'm one of many that have reported similar issues.
I usually don't see slowdown issues, but I sometimes do if the wifi or GPS radios are on. Try only running cell and bluetooth for a while and see if that helps. I also found that Opera would slow down more, and then more, and even more as the cache filled up, but that was after I changed it from the default "1000". I cleared my cache and changed it back to the default cache size and I've been fine since.
Hey TnT,
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I'm going to play with it some more. I'm planning on flashing a different ROM, as TT2 suggested.
Which ROM are you running?
Try PK dual black... but don't for get to Hard SPL...
Please don't install anythink on your Harddisk, just install on storage card... My athena run fastrer if i put seftware on SDcard... If install ti HD it will slower.. i've tried it
thanks cornelius, i'm in the process of gathering the info and parts to install a new ROM. I've downloaded the "AP Dual 3.0 ROM" - I think that's the same thing as the PK Dual Black. I've also downloaded the AthenaUnlocker.exe - I think that's the hard spl you mention.
I bought my phone unlocked - I gather that's SIM unlocked, and the AthenaUnlocker will CID unlock it, which is necessary before installing the new ROM.
I'm trying to confirm everything, so I don't brick the phone, but I'm the information is scattered all over the forum and wiki. I found two versions of AthenaUnlocker.exe, both version 1.0.0.0 with different time stamps. I tried to watch a video of unlocking, but there was no audio.
I would appreciate any additional pointers in the process.
Thanks
Im running the factory ROM.
xdafile said:
thanks cornelius, i'm in the process of gathering the info and parts to install a new ROM. I've downloaded the "AP Dual 3.0 ROM" - I think that's the same thing as the PK Dual Black. I've also downloaded the AthenaUnlocker.exe - I think that's the hard spl you mention.
I bought my phone unlocked - I gather that's SIM unlocked, and the AthenaUnlocker will CID unlock it, which is necessary before installing the new ROM.
I'm trying to confirm everything, so I don't brick the phone, but I'm the information is scattered all over the forum and wiki. I found two versions of AthenaUnlocker.exe, both version 1.0.0.0 with different time stamps. I tried to watch a video of unlocking, but there was no audio.
I would appreciate any additional pointers in the process.
Thanks
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Just make sure you've got a fully charged battery before attempting to unlock or flash the ROM. If you have any particular question feel free to jump back in and post it. Oh and btw The PK Dual is what I was talking about in my last post...Sorry if it seemed a bit confusing.
I'm getting a error when I attempt to unlock my phone.
I ran version 3.12.3.3 of AthenaUnlocker.exe. The error is 202 connection.
the update utility cannot connect to your pda phone. please check that your usb cradle/cable is connected properly between the pc and your pda phone.
check the following:
1. the pda phone is connected to the usb cradle/cable.
2. the usb cradle/cable is connected to the pc.
I know the phone is connected. It is synchronized with ActiveSync 4.5, and it shows that it is connected.
Maybe I don't have the correct version of AthenaUpdater?
I've made progress with the AthenaUpdater.exe program.
I noticed that I had to take an action on the phone after I started the update process. I didn't notice that before, and there is nothing in the program that tells the user to check the phone.
Anyway, step one completed, and I completed step two.
Now, the phone won't turn on. I remember reading about a special key combination, and I'm wondering if I need to do that to get it to turn on and complete step three.
If I get through this successfull, I am going to update the wiki with a how-to for the next guy new to the Athena.
I found the key combination to get into the bootloader,
camera - power - reset
I continued with setp three of the AthenaUpdater, but I think because of the errors, the update did not work properly.
The phone will still not turn on.
I can get it to go into the bootloader, but I don't know what to do next.
I would really apreciate if someone who know what to do would post some helpful comments now.
Thanks
when I go into bootloader it displays
ATHE100
IPL-V2.02
ATHE100
SPL-v1.20.Olipro
At this point, can I install the AP Dual 3.0 ROM?
I installed AP Dual 3.0 with no problem.
However, GPS seems to be not working.
Do I need to run the AthenaUnlocker.exe again?
Does that mean I'll have to reinstall the AP Dual 3.0 ROM again?
Wish I could help you, but I've never updated my ROM. Maybe the version coming on the X7510 will entice me to try.
What error are you getting when you try to run Google Maps? If you get an immediate error, your ports aren't set right. If it spins its wheels for a while the ports are right but the fickle GPS is taking its time.
Tonight I'm going to try and straighten things out on my Athena.
I hope I don't have to spend hours at it again. It would be great if someone who know has experience with the unlocker and the AP Dual 3.0 ROM could spend a few minutes answer my questions so I won't have to spend a few hours sweating through the upgrade process. Last night I literally was as sweaty as if I had gone for a jog; I was surprised at how stressful the upgrade process was for me (I mean, it's only a few hundred dollars if I brick it, right?)
The state of my Athena now is: I probably botched the unlock process in step two, because my GPS is no longer working.
Can I just run the AthenaUnlocker again, or do I need to first flash back to the original x7510 HTC ROM?
After I run the unlocker again, do I need to flash the AP Dual 3.0 ROM again?
I'm also wondering why I ran into problems with the unlocker, and concerned that I'll just encounter the same problems again. I'm hoping that because I have the AP Dual 3.0 ROM installed, the unlocker will perform differently and without errors.
If anyone is reading this who knows the anwser to my questions, I'd really appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks
techntrek said:
What error are you getting when you try to run Google Maps? If you get an immediate error, your ports aren't set right. If it spins its wheels for a while the ports are right but the fickle GPS is taking its time.
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Error message???
TechNTrek,
Thanks again for pitching in to offer me help.
Good new for me; The GPS started working. Earlier this morning, I decided to try it again outside, giveing it more time, and it connected. It had been bringing up a message screen telling me about connection problems.
I just tried to bring up the can't connect message screen by attempting to connect while inside my house, but the darn thing connected with 7 active satellites, and I can't reproduce the problem now to give you a detailed error description.
So, even thought I got a bunch of error messages during my unlocking process, the unlocking seems to have worked, and it left my Athena in working condition.
Some final notes relating to how I started this thread: now that I have AP Dual 3.0 ROM installed, the device seems to be performing better in all the problem areas I first mentioned.
I tested charging the battery by connecting to my computer's USB port, and, although it is charging slowly, at least it's not discharging while connected.
I think that experience discharging while connected might have been because Opera 9.33 beta was open to a page the was running something - just speculation.
I think it's also possible that I misinterpreted what I saw; it might not have been discharging while connected; instead, it might have been a delay in updating the display of the state of the battery; when I looked at the battery when I first connected to the USB, it showed 70%, but in reality it might have only been 60% charged, and the display had just not updated; then, when I disconnected it, the display had updated to the correct 60%.
Also, I haven't noticed any of the extremely slow performance when open apps or running apps. I did notice that my old Kaiser is a lot snappier than the Athena before I updated the ROM. I'm going to keep an eye on it, and do some more Kaiser/Athena performance comparisons.
I think the Athena may be slower than the Kaiser because of the video driver issue. The Athena has four times as many pixels to render, and the CPU has to do the rendering since the driver that would take advantage of the ATI video processor is absent. Hopefully, that will be fixed soon, as mentioned at HTCClassAction.org. http://www.htcclassaction.org/
I am going to start a new thread on a couple of questions I have. In the original HTC ROM, there was a network program from HTC, and I used it to connect to shares on my LAN over WiFi, and I want to find a replacement for it. There may even be a network program in the Dual 3.0 ROM, but I haven't found it yet.
Also, I love MS Voice Command 1.6 (a version made available in the Kaiser forum - not a more recent 1.6 version for sale by MS.) It works for me on my Wizard and on my Kaiser, but on my Athena, I can't start Voice Command using my Bluetooth headset.
I've searched both of these issues in the forums, but haven't found answers yet. Again, if anyone knows, please help.
Now, I'm going to explore the 3.0 ROM!
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TechNTrek,
Thanks again for pitching in to offer me help.
Good new for me; The GPS started working. Earlier this morning, I decided to try it again outside, giveing it more time, and it connected. It had been bringing up a message screen telling me about connection problems.
I just tried to bring up the can't connect message screen by attempting to connect while inside my house, but the darn thing connected with 7 active satellites, and I can't reproduce the problem now to give you a detailed error description.
So, even thought I got a bunch of error messages during my unlocking process, the unlocking seems to have worked, and it left my Athena in working condition.
Some final notes relating to how I started this thread: now that I have AP Dual 3.0 ROM installed, the device seems to be performing better in all the problem areas I first mentioned.
I tested charging the battery by connecting to my computer's USB port, and, although it is charging slowly, at least it's not discharging while connected.
I think that experience discharging while connected might have been because Opera 9.33 beta was open to a page the was running something - just speculation.
I think it's also possible that I misinterpreted what I saw; it might not have been discharging while connected; instead, it might have been a delay in updating the display of the state of the battery; when I looked at the battery when I first connected to the USB, it showed 70%, but in reality it might have only been 60% charged, and the display had just not updated; then, when I disconnected it, the display had updated to the correct 60%.
Also, I haven't noticed any of the extremely slow performance when open apps or running apps. I did notice that my old Kaiser is a lot snappier than the Athena before I updated the ROM. I'm going to keep an eye on it, and do some more Kaiser/Athena performance comparisons.
I think the Athena may be slower than the Kaiser because of the video driver issue. The Athena has four times as many pixels to render, and the CPU has to do the rendering since the driver that would take advantage of the ATI video processor is absent. Hopefully, that will be fixed soon, as mentioned at HTCClassAction.org. http://www.htcclassaction.org/
I am going to start a new thread on a couple of questions I have. In the original HTC ROM, there was a network program from HTC, and I used it to connect to shares on my LAN over WiFi, and I want to find a replacement for it. There may even be a network program in the Dual 3.0 ROM, but I haven't found it yet.
Also, I love MS Voice Command 1.6 (a version made available in the Kaiser forum - not a more recent 1.6 version for sale by MS.) It works for me on my Wizard and on my Kaiser, but on my Athena, I can't start Voice Command using my Bluetooth headset.
I've searched both of these issues in the forums, but haven't found answers yet. Again, if anyone knows, please help.
Now, I'm going to explore the 3.0 ROM!
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To get MS 1.6 to work try this:
Delete the paird BT headset, then do a reset on the phone then re-pair with the BT headset. Make sure the headset is not set to (stereo) mode and that should work. I had the same issue with the Jabra BT8010. After doing the above steps the push button activation innitiated voice command.
Thanks TootTalk2000,
That worked. I have the Jabro BT8010 too.
Have you figured out how to get the BT to work hands free and stereo too?
xdafile said:
Thanks TootTalk2000,
That worked. I have the Jabro BT8010 too.
Have you figured out how to get the BT to work hands free and stereo too?
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Yeah, when you set it to stereo however, all the audio gets routed to the BT headset (I personally don't like that, especially when using my GPS) and in order for you to use voice command then you have to take stereo/mono button which is the button closest to the mic on the bottom of the BT, then hit the answer button and you will hear VC prompting for your command. The draw back to this also is that everytime you want to use VC you will have to repeat these steps because the BT defaults back to stereo after you're don't with a voice call.
hi everyone
i get a bluescreen of death when trying to use adb push or pull, i can use adb shell and that works fine, i can execute some commands, but then when i try to us LS or adb push or adb pull i get the BSOD, has anyone got any ideas?
What stop code do you get? I'm thinking a driver problem.
winblows has always sucked at looking after itself
it could be buggy drivers, it could be buggy hardware
try switching the cable round, i.e. if its plugged in at the front use a port at the back,
rofl, someone else go this, too? i thought it was just my girlfriends wanna-be step-dad looking at pr0n all night and installing every virus you could imagine.
dunno, bro. i'm generally good at fixing things like that but i've been swamped every time i try something. i know its not drivers or the port. yet it happens to me every time.
of course, her computer is a piece of junk compared to what you get now.
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rofl, someone else go this, too? i thought it was just my girlfriends wanna-be step-dad looking at pr0n all night and installing every virus you could imagine.
dunno, bro. i'm generally good at fixing things like that but i've been swamped every time i try something. i know its not drivers or the port. yet it happens to me every time.
of course, her computer is a piece of junk compared to what you get now.
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I've never been sigged before!
Solution:
Delete windonkeys.
It'll never bluescreen again.
(note: I suggest that a good use of the hardware after deleting windonkeys is to install Linux, although even totally blank, it's far far better than having windonkeys on it.)
staunty said:
I've never been sigged before!
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i seriously rofled for a looong time after reading that.
lbcoder said:
Solution:
Delete windonkeys.
It'll never bluescreen again.
(note: I suggest that a good use of the hardware after deleting windonkeys is to install Linux, although even totally blank, it's far far better than having windonkeys on it.)
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i like windows. just because of the convenience. i know i sound like a nub, and im sure its not hard, but i've never learned to use linux. and with how busy i stay, basically all day every day, i like the little sleep i get and cant really afford to cut anymore time out of it to learn. and this only happens on a pretty ****ty computer. i never have problems with my personal desktop.
r3s-rt said:
i like windows. just because of the convenience. i know i sound like a nub, and im sure its not hard, but i've never learned to use linux. and with how busy i stay, basically all day every day, i like the little sleep i get and cant really afford to cut anymore time out of it to learn. and this only happens on a pretty ****ty computer. i never have problems with my personal desktop.
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SWITCH!!! You'll suddenly realize just how absolutely INCONVENIENT windonkeys actually IS. The constant reboots that take forever, the viruses, the endless driver search every time you need to reinstall, bad web rendering, lack of good quality free software, lack of a useful text terminal.... etc. Nightmare. Really funny, I take a look at the new versions just to see what kind of glittery nonsense it has... total uselessness, like an 8 year old girl playing with glitter being selected to manage a 50 person team in researching new communications technologies -- she isn't going to be effective (not that there's anything wrong with 8 year old girls playing with glitter, just doesn't have a practical use)..
This is not a troll posting. I swear...
I've had the AT&T flavored Nexus One since the day it was announced and I just can't suffer with it anymore. I'm running stock FRF91 with an unlocked bootloader. The only reason I unlocked the bootloader was so I could root and uninstall the apps that drained my battery or sucked resources that I never used - Twitter, Amazon-MP3, Genie-Widget, etc.
Pre-Froyo, it seemed pretty stable but the OS was very immature. Some things were just not well thought out. Activesync for example.
Post-Froyo: Turn on GPS, reboot. Talk on the phone for a long period of time, reboot. Charge the phone, reboot. Use Bluetooth, reboot. GPS is 100% useless now as after just a few minutes of use, the phone gets hot and reboots the phone. Hell, leave the phone in the sun in your car and it gets hot and reboots. Froyo offers some new features but some areas of the OS are still neglected and way behind where they should be. Can't move emails to a folder? Seriously? Can't undelete an email you accidentally deleted? That's just stupid. And there are a few other things that Windows Mobile had right for the last 10 years.
Yesterday alone, my phone rebooted several dozen times because I was trying to find a location with GPS and I was completely turned around with no idea where I was. I finally had to power off the phone, leave it off, and go ask someone at a gas station for directions. The phone reboots as soon as it gets hot and it appears everything makes the phone get hot.
Rip on Windows Mobile all you want, but I never once had a Windows Mobile device reboot on me and not do what it normally does. I'll throw CM6 on my N1 when it becomes final to see if things get better and I'll thrown on Gingerbread when that finally drops, but unless one of those solves the constant reboot issue, I'm done with Android. I've kept up with the Google forums and many, many, many people have the same issues I have so my N1 is obviously not an isolated case.
There are a lot of things I do like about Android so I'm not bashing Android. I like Android enough that if my phone didn't reboot constantly it'd be my primary platform moving forward.
/rant
-Mc
I've had my N1 since the day after they were released and it has never rebooted spontaneously. Your phone is a lemon.
Try calling HTC?
vzontini said:
I've had my N1 since the day after they were released and it has never rebooted spontaneously. Your phone is a lemon.
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I agree, the only time my phone gets hot is when I leave it in my landscaping truck while I'm mowing, but I think any phone would have problems when it's 112 degrees outside and probably 140 in the truck.
Sounds like a bad phone. The only time my N1 rebooted was when I had an experimental rom on it.
Sounds like something is just borked, I use my phone all day it only reboots because I want to go into recovery.
Are yur using custom recovery? Wipe the cache and dalvik-cache.
Same as the above poster, mine never rebooted spontaneously even when hitting over 40C degrees. Only does so when I'm running some cutting-edge alpha kernels/ROMs, and then very rarely.
I was thinking it was specific to my device as well. I then googled "Nexus One overheating" and was overwhelmed by the number of people with the same issue. I also own over a dozen HTC devices, I've had ZERO problems with any of them. I've wiped my cache quite a few times. I've even wiped the phone and started fresh.
I've googled every specific issue I have had and found many others complaining about the same thing. Overheating/locking up the device when charging overnight - check. Rebooting/overheating when using GPS - check.
Lately, I've been uninstalling anything that runs in the background that isn't an essential part of the OS. Makes no difference. When I first got my N1, I used the GPS and Car Home app to drive an 8 hour trip. Not a single problem. The very first time I tried to use Car Home after going to Froyo it rebooted after just a few minutes and it's been that way since. I found MANY posts that confirmed this on Google's forums.
Personally, I think my device is fine. I suppose it's always possible that an app is causing the reboots. For example, the Weather Channel app is always running and that's not the most beautifully coded app I've ever seen...
Any suggestions, keep 'em coming. I'm not thrilled with Windows Mobile 7 yet.
Here's my installed apps (I love that program BTW). If you see anything as a possible suspect, let me know:
Adobe Flash Player 10.1 (v10.1.92.8)
andLess (v1.2.3)
Android Agenda Widget (v1.3.5)
AT&T myWireless Mobile (v6.0)
Audalyzer (v1.14)
Barcode Scanner (v3.4)
BlueRSS (v3.0.4)
Chrome to Phone (v2.0.0)
eBay (v1.1.2.3)
eBuddy (v1.8.1)
Ethereal Dialpad (v2.5.2)
FCC Test (v1.0.7)
Flashlight (v2)
FREEdi Video Download Helper (v1.3.1)
FrostWire (v0.3.7)
Google Translate (v1.1.1)
GPS Status (v3.2)
gStrings (v1.0.5)
HistoryEraser (v2.1.1)
HTC_IME mod (vv.27)
JScreenFix (v2.0)
Keyboard Calibration (v2.10)
Linda Manager (v1.5.12)
Listen (v1.1.3)
Log Collector (v1.1.0)
Music Junk (v3.0.4)
My Battery Status (v2.0.8)
MyAppsList (v1.4 BETA)
Network Info II (v0.3.4)
Note Pad (v1)
OSMonitor (v1.1.6)
Pandora (v1.3)
Penguin (v1.2.0)
RealCalc (v1.4.1)
Scanner Radio (v1.9.2)
Secrets (v1.9.2)
Shazam (v2.0.2-B70005)
Shopper (v1.12)
Solo Lite (v1.25)
Terminal Emulator (v1.0.12)
Tetronimo (v1.5.1)
The Weather Channel (v2.3.17)
Titanium Backup (v3.4.2)
Trapster (v1.6.3)
Tricorder (v5.11)
TTS Service Extended (v2.0)
Universal Androot (v1.5.3)
Voice Recorder (v2.0.7)
Wifi Analyzer (v2.4.8)
WiimoteController (v0.3b)
XDA (v1.2.1)
Device Summary
Device: HTC Nexus One
Android Version: 2.2
Build: FRF91
List Generated By: MyAppsList (market://search?q=com.boots.MyAppsList)
By the sound of it, it's not an app. The phone should be able to take a good amount of heat and not reboot - the only time I got it to reboot was under direct sunlight in a car, it was probably hitting 50 degrees Celsius. If yours reboots every time you do anything - it's time to nandroid, take out the battery and clean the battery contacts really well (on the battery and the phone, using alcohol), flash a bone stock FRF91 or something really close to it, try to repeat the things that made it reboot (shouldn't be very difficult), and if the reboots continue - then I'm sorry, but you have a lemon. And if they don't - change to your favorite ROM and start incrementally installing stuff in small packs, until your testing shows reboots again. Defining anything other than Google account (like Exchange account) is also considered "installing something".
E-Mail quirks are taken care of by E-Mail clients. Exchange server push might be draining the hell out of your battery and heating your phone, check the relevant thread. I really hope you find the problem in SW, but it doesn't look very much like it.
P.S. There are so many ways to get a WinMo phone stuck (my wife has one, I regularly practice using the reset button when doing something with the system) it's not even funny.
thanks for the tips. I'll give them a shot. I read in a couple different threads that HTC has been sending replacement batteries to those with overheating issues. I have a hard time believing it's the battery but what do I know?
One thing I forgot to add about WinMo, I soft reset my device every morning on the way to work. Just a habit I got into with Windows.
-Mc
Yeah sounds like you got a faulty device. If the above suggestions don't work, call HTC and they should do a swap for you
went to the Google "Device Troubleshooter" support page: http://google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=185837
Step 1: What are you having an issue with?
selected: A hardware problem I'm having with the Nexus One
Step 2: A hardware problem i’m having with the Nexus One
selected: My device overheats
Then it said this:
It is normal for your phone to get warm after an extended period of continual usage, such as a long phone conversation. If your phone becomes so warm that you cannot hold it comfortably, please try removing the battery and waiting until the phone cools off before replacing it.
If your phone overheats to the point of shutting itself off repeatedly, there may be a hardware defect with your phone's battery. Please visit our warranty information page.
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So I called support (open 7 days a week - nice) and they are shipping out a new battery tomorrow and if that doesn't work, I'll send it in for repair. Didn't want to replace it because it was engraved.
I really hope this fixes it. I do like Android and I love the community work. iOS blows and Windows Mobile 7 just doesn't have me wanting one.
I'll update this thread when the new battery arrives and if necessary, after the repair work...
I used to have the same problem, but i don't think it was rom specific for me. I had a black case on my phone and my car mount was a black universal one mounted on my windshield. I would use GPS nav and play music at the same time and sometimes make phone calls and it would reboot pretty frequently. Through SetCPU i noticed that the temp was somewhere between 45-50degrees C. only way i was able to use my phone was to remove the battery and stick it in my AC vent along with the phone itself.
So since then i got myself a AC mounted carmount and no longer use my case and its been fine ever since. When ever it gets hot in my car i usually have AC on and the phoen gets cooled by it also. Average temp was around 15-18degrees C while i was using GPS/Music/Calls.
lulz, sounds like your phone had a hardware issue if it was rebooting all the time like that.
I have had my phone on for literally weeks at a time with out a reboot. Android is rock solid stable.
Way to not get your issue fixed and go back to a dead mobile OS that was never developed properly in the first place. Good luck with that champ.
My phone could stab me in the balls all day long and I still wouldn't revert to the current winmo.
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This is not a troll posting. I swear...
I've had the AT&T flavored Nexus One since the day it was announced and I just can't suffer with it anymore. I'm running stock FRF91 with an unlocked bootloader. The only reason I unlocked the bootloader was so I could root and uninstall the apps that drained my battery or sucked resources that I never used - Twitter, Amazon-MP3, Genie-Widget, etc.
Pre-Froyo, it seemed pretty stable but the OS was very immature. Some things were just not well thought out. Activesync for example.
Post-Froyo: Turn on GPS, reboot. Talk on the phone for a long period of time, reboot. Charge the phone, reboot. Use Bluetooth, reboot. GPS is 100% useless now as after just a few minutes of use, the phone gets hot and reboots the phone. Hell, leave the phone in the sun in your car and it gets hot and reboots. Froyo offers some new features but some areas of the OS are still neglected and way behind where they should be. Can't move emails to a folder? Seriously? Can't undelete an email you accidentally deleted? That's just stupid. And there are a few other things that Windows Mobile had right for the last 10 years.
Yesterday alone, my phone rebooted several dozen times because I was trying to find a location with GPS and I was completely turned around with no idea where I was. I finally had to power off the phone, leave it off, and go ask someone at a gas station for directions. The phone reboots as soon as it gets hot and it appears everything makes the phone get hot.
Rip on Windows Mobile all you want, but I never once had a Windows Mobile device reboot on me and not do what it normally does. I'll throw CM6 on my N1 when it becomes final to see if things get better and I'll thrown on Gingerbread when that finally drops, but unless one of those solves the constant reboot issue, I'm done with Android. I've kept up with the Google forums and many, many, many people have the same issues I have so my N1 is obviously not an isolated case.
There are a lot of things I do like about Android so I'm not bashing Android. I like Android enough that if my phone didn't reboot constantly it'd be my primary platform moving forward.
/rant
-Mc
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Your phone is defective. I've NEVER experienced a spontaneous reboot.
uansari1 said:
Your phone is defective. I've NEVER experienced a spontaneous reboot.
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Same here** (only when I played with different kernels )
GldRush98 said:
Way to not get your issue fixed and go back to a dead mobile OS that was never developed properly in the first place. Good luck with that champ.
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you're not much of a reader, are you?
JCopernicus said:
My phone could stab me in the balls all day long and I still wouldn't revert to the current winmo.
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Fact: Windows Mobile still does several things much better than Android. And those things are important to me on my primary device.
I get what you're saying though. Despite a few issues, Android is dominating everything in it's wake. But instead of Android spending so much time with new flashy features, they should focus their attention getting the basics right first. Their contact and email handling B L O W S. How about proper email folder handling and a basic undelete function...
I agree with the rest. To be honest, I didn't get my Nexus new, it has had two users before me. It came with Cyanogen Mod, and to be honest I find it gives better battery life and performance compared to the stock OS. If I were you I'd try it out once you get the Nexus back.
I use ROM manager to download and install ROMs, give it a try.
so a month after upgrading to windows 8 50% of the time when I try to open an app from the start screen it will open, not load, crash and kick me back to the regular desktop and the taskbar will be a solid color and then all of the items will come back. I think all of explorer is crashing and its getting on my nerves.
Also, my computer has started to lock up forcing a forced shutdown, but what's extra weird about this is when I boot back up it boots up faster than normal and everything is still loaded on my computer.
So I've decided the only thing I can do now is to clean refresh so I guess my question is which option of refreshing should I choose? I know the full one creates a windows.old file to recover the stuff I need but I was wondering if it'd be safe to use the keep my files option or if I shouldn't even risk it? Or if anyone knows of a fix (probably not going to happen)?
It sounds like your so-called "forced shutdowns" are actually putting the computer in sleep mode.
Make sure your system is fully up to date. There have been some performance, stability, and reliability updates for Win8 already. You don't need Metro to run Windows Update.
It's fine to try Refresh first, and if that doesn't fix things, go for a Reset. Generally, Refresh would work fine.
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so a month after upgrading to windows 8 50% of the time when I try to open an app from the start screen it will open, not load, crash and kick me back to the regular desktop and the taskbar will be a solid color and then all of the items will come back. I think all of explorer is crashing and its getting on my nerves.
Also, my computer has started to lock up forcing a forced shutdown, but what's extra weird about this is when I boot back up it boots up faster than normal and everything is still loaded on my computer.
So I've decided the only thing I can do now is to clean refresh so I guess my question is which option of refreshing should I choose? I know the full one creates a windows.old file to recover the stuff I need but I was wondering if it'd be safe to use the keep my files option or if I shouldn't even risk it? Or if anyone knows of a fix (probably not going to happen)?
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I had something like this, and a refresh didn't do it. I had to reset the laptop. I haven't put much on the laptop, so I deleted all files.
I attempted refresh, but after afterwards I couldn't access the internet from within the metro apps. It seemed to start with the most recent auto update, but after the reset I did the updates and everything is fine. What happened was that I was unable to run any metro apps at all. I could get to the desktop, but the metro side would be unavailable until I saw the taskbar flash a solid color. Then I could briefly go to the metro side, for about 10 seconds.
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I'm getting this on one of my computers, interestingly it also has hdcp issues, im writing this up as a potential graphics issue, there are reports to back this up but nothing confirmed, if it is todo with graphics its not related to a single driver version, its almost completely random, this might suggest there is some conflict with driver, gpu, and whatever windows has built in for copy protection
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thanks for the replies guys. it's definitely a weird problem as its only gotten progressively worse (stopped these last two days, no problems...don't know what happened haha) but I've got all my updated drivers from the sony website minus the BIOS cuz that slowed the hell out of my computer running windows 7 so I'm just avoiding sony drivers as much as possible
so turns out problem not gone. jinxed it, updated some things that weren't updated but something wont update correctly and idk why but I've got a final tomorrow so I'll figure it out another time
So as the title may imply, I have a TN7 that I have barely had for a few months. I can't get into fast boot (developer settings were never applied) and I can't find any other methods with a walk through.
I tried loading several drivers that I thought would allow me to initiate fast boot, but it would seem that the driver loads the window suggested drivers. All the drivers files it references are in windows sys32 folders when all the other drivers are in different folders.
I even turned off the "let windows automatically find drivers for you". However, every time I plug my device in the darn thing finds the windows supplied drivers.
Kids made an email they can't remember nor do they know the password for the tablet.
I am amateur tech savvy at best. i.e. I can write a few scripts and I have enough drive/work ethic to google something until I understand it.
That being said, I haven't found a method to get into my TN7. Kids have locked me out for good until I find a way to reset it to factory defaults.