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This is my first post on xda, but don´t underestimate me because of that. In fact, I´ve been following all the GS2 sections and read ALL the tutorials since i got my phone a couple of months ago. Never needed to open an account here to do all the customizations on my phone; This should tell a lot about the completeness of this forum (i.e. SEARCH, there´s a 95% chance that your question is already answered in some thread).
In fact i´m baffled by the amount of people that appears to be unhappy with their phones, doing lots of changes in kernels, roms, themes, etc., looking to improve performance, battery life, fanciness or only for the sake of change. In my experience, you won´t get a "life changing" improvement in GS2 only by a software change. As official firmwares get more and more advanced, their performance delta in contrast with custom firmware gets smaller. The only two areas where the gap is still big lies on eye candy and usability. Moreover, with Ice Cream Sandwich knocking at the door, there´s no additional functionality coming from newer Gingerbread firmware versions.
The customization I have done involves kernel and rom, and prioritize stability and energy comsumption over up to date firmware (as i said in the last paragraph, ICS is not ready yet and latter gingerbread versions doesn´t bring anything new). With that, I could achieve a battery life of 3+ days with average use; For demonstration, i´ve just checked my phone and it shows 2 days and 15 hours with 60% charge. Naturally I am not a heavy user, and the phone is deep sleeping on average 80% of the time, but here on the forum is generally assumed that a drain of 1%/hour is very good mark, so i guess this combo provides excellent battery life (0,6%/hour). I can testify it´s rock solid as well - I´ve been using it for almost a month without any FCs or reboots. And this scheme doesn´t involve underclocking at all, so don´t worry about performance.
Unfortunately (at least for the "spooners") this guide won´t have any images, just links to the respective threads - I´m assuming you do want to learn and read to get your information. The main purpose of this guide is to point a safe/fast/easy way of doing all the stuff, avoiding the need to read all the tutorials and choose the best route among many roads that lead to the same place in the end. The target reader is the complete beginner, who has a desire to learn and unlock his phone in a safe way. Naturally i am not responsible if you blow up your phone or something like that while following this guide; I´ve followed this and it works on my phone, that´s all i can say. I will describe here exactly what i did, step by step, since i opened that damned box
So without further ado, this is it:
1) Getting root
1.1) Install the samsung drivers and software (KIES) on your computer ( http://www.samsung.com/ae/support/d...d_mdl_name=GT-I9100/M16&srchword=Galaxy+S+II# )
1.2) Download the zergrush exploit (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321582). If needed (and you will), read the zergrush guide on the respective thread. Warning: There´s a chance that your phone firmware is already patched, so this exploit won´t work.
1.2.1) IF AND ONLY IF zergush doesn´t work on your phone, you will have to use Odin to flash CF-Root (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399). Read the thread.
2) Backup
2.0) Although you can do all the flashing with Odin, i must assume i´m a lazy person, so i bought Mobile Odin from Android Market. It simplifies A LOT the process of flashing things on the GS2, and as a bonus it doesn´t change the rom counter on the phone! (Read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899)
2.1) It´s an excellent idea to download CF-Root kernel for your kernel version and flash it (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399 - read the thread to know how to find your kernel version), then enter clockworkmod recovery and do a backup of your internal card (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118693).
2.2) After getting root, install Titanium Backup (from android store) and backup everything you need on the phone. Backup the efs folder as well (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308546).
2.3) Store all backups you made in a safe place (that means away from your phone). Pray to the Android gods with faith, and you will never have to use them.
3) Customization
3.1) Download firmware version KK2 (http://www.multiupload.com/PBBE9HBXTS). Flash it, then enter CWM and clean cache and Dalvik. After that, you will lose root, all your customizations and all installed software. PS: Here in Brazil the last firmware version is 2.3.4, so this version still brings many improvements. If you already have a newer version on your phone, keep it.
3.2) Download CF-Root kernel for KK2 (see step 2.1). Flash it on your phone to get root back.
3.3) Install Titanium Backup again and use the backup you did on step 2.2 to get all your software back, including Mobile Odin if you bought it.
3.4) Download Ninphetamine kernel version 2.1.3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179814) and flash it.
3.5) Install voltage control (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829731) and use it to do the following settings:
* General - don´t change anything
* Voltages : 200 mhz / 850 mv ; 500 mhz / 850 mv ; 800 mhz / 950 mv ; 1000 mhz / 1050 mv ; 1200 mhz / 1150 mv
3.6) Download Bloat Freezer from android market and use it to freeze all stuff you don´t want. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069924)
And it´s done. You can continue from where i stopped, installing jkay mod for eye candy and more functionality (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1154278), trying a custom firmware like Cyanogen, changing your kernel or doing God knows what. If you read all the stuff i´ve linked, i´m sure you can go on with your own legs from now on. The phone is yours to mess with!
You root with Zergush then you root with CF root then you flash firmware and wipe CF root then CF root again
Why not flash KK2 then cwm and root .
Or even just flash CWM root and do a nandroid backup then flash KK2 .
jje
Well, i just reproduced step by step what i did to customize my phone from the moment i opened the box. I was really afraid of changing the internal ROM counter, and was afraid as well of using odin, so i opted to use zergrush and buy mobile odin, and i still think that is the easiest and most secure way for the complete noob to customize his phone.
You are part right, because the KK2 firmware will not change the rom counter, but you must use odin to flash it. Mobile odin is easier, but if the reader is okay with using odin, in fact he will pass over many steps of the guide.
And when you say "You root with Zergush then you root with CF root", that´s not true. In fact, i recommend using zergrush and ONLY if it doesnt work you should use CF-Root instead.
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This is my first post on xda, but don´t underestimate me because of that.
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I'll try and give you the benefit of the doubt then.
b_sal said:
The customization I have done involves kernel and rom, and prioritize stability and energy comsumption over up to date firmware (as i said in the last paragraph, ICS is not ready yet and latter gingerbread versions doesn´t bring anything new). With that, I could achieve a battery life of 3+ days with average use
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Damn, I shouldn't have bothered.
Your post is written in such a way that it might fool an idiot into thinking you know what you're talking about, but it's pretty clear you don't. Let's see some of the things I took issue with in your post.
There's no such thing as "average use".
You recommend an old ROM.
Your "tutorial" involves several unnecessary, repeated steps (root, then flash a rooted kernel, then flash another rooted kernel ad infinitum?)
Your customisations are nothing more than undervolting which is specific to your device and some rather vague freeze stuff you don't want statement.
You finish the post by saying you can flash a different, AOSP based ROM, after all of the spam before it, negating everything.
Overall, good job.
JJEgan said:
You root with Zergush then you root with CF root then you flash firmware and wipe CF root then CF root again
Why not flash KK2 then cwm and root .
Or even just flash CWM root and do a nandroid backup then flash KK2 .
jje
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His kinda defying the point of his root method.
Ignoring the repetitions, the post's still very useful. I'm on a 2.3.4 ROM as well and the OP's right about the minimal delta improvements of gingerbread updates.
Okay, i think you are not getting the objectives of the post:
1) it reproduces exactly what a noob (me) did to unlock his phone.
2) I never said i know every single way of rooting the phone, and didn´t made this post to prove anything.
3) it´s not exactly meant for the senior members, or at least, the senior members should filter from the post only the info they judge is valid for them.
4) it´s very clear in the post that i´m prioritizing stability and battery life over firmware versions. So i guess you bashed before reading the part i say that.
5) i really did that in the good intention of helping newbies to find their way, reading the links i "spammed" on the guide. But I may be hurting more than helping, who knows? If so, sorry, i´ll get back to reading, i don´t really mind writing guides at all.
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Okay, i think you are not getting the objectives of the post:
1) it reproduces exactly what a noob (me) did to unlock his phone.
2) I never said i know every single way of rooting the phone, and didn´t made this post to prove anything.
3) it´s not exactly meant for the senior members, or at least, the senior members should filter from the post only the info they judge is valid for them.
4) it´s very clear in the post that i´m prioritizing stability and battery life over firmware versions. So i guess you bashed before reading the part i say that.
5) i really did that in the good intention of helping newbies to find their way, reading the links i "spammed" on the guide. But I may be hurting more than helping, who knows? If so, sorry, i´ll get back to reading, i don´t really mind writing guides at all.
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my friend by all means you have put all your information nicely organized and nicely put. you do have good intentions and please carry on doing what you are doing. but you need to re-evaluate what you have written because you might get people getting confused by what you are guiding them through. and plus they are already stickies regarding guides and the threads in development that helps people on how to root phones.
Give you one example you say to people the guide on how to zergrush exploit. and then you ask them do download a cf-root for something else. can not go through the whole thread. but you are asking people to re root twice with two different methods. hence why people above are pointing out to you...anyway good luck and hope you get the feedback you are looking for from this thread
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my friend by all means you have put all your information nicely organized and nicely put. you do have good intentions and please carry on doing what you are doing. but you need to re-evaluate what you have written because you might get people getting confused by what you are guiding them through. and plus they are already stickies regarding guides and the threads in development that helps people on how to root phones.
Give you one example you say to people the guide on how to zergrush exploit. and then you ask them do download a cf-root for something else. can not go through the whole thread. but you are asking people to re root twice with two different methods. hence why people above are pointing out to you...anyway good luck and hope you get the feedback you are looking for from this thread
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I guess that´s a good feedback on the post. I know there is a lot of guides on xda, and that´s a lot of information. Because of that, i had to read lots of tutorials, filter many of them saying mostly the same things, and assembling all the parts together in the end. So i thought of writing something that would unify all that, to make easier to the beginner and to avoid people having to read all the guides, like i had to do. I don´t feel the urge to do something perfect on my first post, but i fully acknowledge the need to edit the post and add more information about discarding some steps and adding alternative ways to get to the result. But in the end, i´m sure someone who follows it will as it is now won´t have any problems and will get the battery life i´m telling.
Download Ninphetamine kernel
your joking right, no doubt it was a good kernel at the time but it's old hat now technology advances everyday and there are far better kernels on here now that will offer much better battery life,etc,etc
I'm not knocking your post but most on here would know all of this already, noobs will just keep posting duplicate questions regardless of how many times they have already been answered previously.
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Let's see some of the things I took issue with in your post.
There's no such thing as "average use".
You recommend an old ROM.
Your "tutorial" involves several unnecessary, repeated steps (root, then flash a rooted kernel, then flash another rooted kernel ad infinitum?)
Your customisations are nothing more than undervolting which is specific to your device and some rather vague freeze stuff you don't want statement.
You finish the post by saying you can flash a different, AOSP based ROM, after all of the spam before it, negating everything.
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I think the post can be improved, so i´m taking your suggestions as well:
1) Okay, i think that expression can be changed.
2) I haven´t found any evidence of KK5 and latter improving battery life, that´s why i recommend KK2.
3) Like i said before, I was worried about the rom counter issue, and didn´t know i was going to flash an official firmware. I guess that if you want to install a custom firmware without incrementing the counter you must do what i did. If that´s not true, please let me know and i will change that.
4) Many people are using this same voltages on the forums without issues, and i just told what settings i use. Many beginners have this curiosity about what settings "everybody" is using.
5) In the end everybody is free to do whatever they want. If they read all the links and felt confidence about doing anything else, then the guide´s job is done in the same way.
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Download Ninphetamine kernel
your joking right, no doubt it was a good kernel at the time but it's old hat now technology advances everyday and there are far better kernels on here now that will offer much better battery life,etc,etc
I'm not knocking your post but most on here would know all of this already, noobs will just keep posting duplicate questions regardless of how many times they have already been answered previously.
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You may call me an heretic or whatever, but i really don´t see the point of, say, Siyah kernel launching a new version every couple days. I´m using Ninphetamine and it does everything my phone can do. A mobile phone is not (yet) the same thing as a desktop computer, so it doesnt need kernels updated that fast. I ask in all my noobiness : What the newer kernels can do that this kernel can´t?
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4) Many people are using this same voltages on the forums without issues, and i just told what settings i use. Many beginners have this curiosity about what settings "everybody" is using.
5) In the end everybody is free to do whatever they want. If they read all the links and felt confidence about doing anything else, then the guide´s job is done in the same way.
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I think you're still missing the point a bit. The name of your thread is "want your GS2 as close as possible to stock with PHENOMENAL battery life? READ THIS!"
The thread doesn't really address anything relating to battery life (such as wakelocks, misbehaving applications, screen brightness, signal strength). Voltage modifications which work for you may not work for someone else and the battery savings are negligible. You also don't mention the risks involved.
Then, since you've pulled me up on me taking issue with you saying to flash CM7, I'll repeat. Your thread title is "want your GS2 as close as possible to stock with PHENOMENAL battery life? READ THIS!" CM7 is about as far from stock as you can get. Also, telling people to flash a custom kernel (Ninphetamine) and saying it's "as close as possible to stock" is pretty absurd.
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Download Ninphetamine kernel
your joking right, no doubt it was a good kernel at the time but it's old hat now technology advances everyday and there are far better kernels on here now that will offer much better battery life,etc,etc
I'm not knocking your post but most on here would know all of this already, noobs will just keep posting duplicate questions regardless of how many times they have already been answered previously.
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One of the best kernels of all time. If it's not broken why fix it.
O/T I think we miss Harce. Post 5 was awesome most newb posts are post 5 material.
Look at VillainRom, see what base it is using, and why it's also a popular rom.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
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I think you're still missing the point a bit. The name of your thread is "want your GS2 as close as possible to stock with PHENOMENAL battery life? READ THIS!"
The thread doesn't really address anything relating to battery life (such as wakelocks, misbehaving applications, screen brightness, signal strength). Voltage modifications which work for you may not work for someone else and the battery savings are negligible. You also don't mention the risks involved.
Then, since you've pulled me up on me taking issue with you saying to flash CM7, I'll repeat. Your thread title is "want your GS2 as close as possible to stock with PHENOMENAL battery life? READ THIS!" CM7 is about as far from stock as you can get. Also, telling people to flash a custom kernel (Ninphetamine) and saying it's "as close as possible to stock" is pretty absurd.
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Since you´ve commented only about items 4 and 5, should i assume that you have nothing to say about items 1-3? I´m looking forward to read your opinion about that too.
You are damn right about item 4. For the sake of completeness i should warn about the risks of messing with voltages and the other topics you mentioned. You may not believe, but i really don´t see this thing as "my post" anymore. I guess we could improve on it and make it good , even if just for a person or two.
About item 5, i must disagree a little. Well, i say "as close as possible to stock" and not "stock". If i don´t change anything, so it´s stock, right? What you would define as "close to stock" then?
And the guide ended before the CM part - What I recommend is installing the KK2 firmware + ninphetamine + voltage settings, nothing else. I only left open the possibility of any customizations the reader wants to do, i´m not saying CM7 or jkay installation is a "must do".
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Since you´ve commented only about items 4 and 5, should i assume that you have nothing to say about items 1-3? I´m looking forward to read your opinion about that too.
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1) Okay, i think that expression can be changed.
2) I haven´t found any evidence of KK5 and latter improving battery life, that´s why i recommend KK2.
3) Like i said before, I was worried about the rom counter issue, and didn´t know i was going to flash an official firmware. I guess that if you want to install a custom firmware without incrementing the counter you must do what i did. If that´s not true, please let me know and i will change that.
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I can't really respond to 1). 2) I still disagree with, there's no reason to stick to an old version, especially one which is not supported by the latest version of the JKay mod (which you later recommend). Therefore, in my opinion it makes more sense to recommend XWKL1. 3). The process to get what you wanted was zergrush followed by flashing Ninphetamine (with mobile Odin/other app to avoid counter increase). None of the other kernel flashing was necessary.
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About item 5, i must disagree a little. Well, i say "as close as possible to stock" and not "stock". If i don´t change anything, so it´s stock, right? What you would define as "close to stock" then?
And i the guide ended before that. I only left open the possibility of any customizations the reader wants to do, i´m not saying CM7 or jkay installation is a "must do".
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Flashing any custom kernel, especially one which describes itself as "Now with 100% less Samsungyness" in the thread title is deviating a lot from stock. I would define "close to stock" in that regard as CF-Root.
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You may call me an heretic or whatever, but i really don´t see the point of, say, Siyah kernel launching a new version every couple days. I´m using Ninphetamine and it does everything my phone can do. A mobile phone is not (yet) the same thing as a desktop computer, so it doesnt need kernels updated that fast. I ask in all my noobiness : What the newer kernels can do that this kernel can´t?
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I tend to agree with you which is why i don't bother with Siyah anymore i just stick to Speedmod which is pretty much proven as having the best battery life out of all the current kernels available.
What the newer kernels can do that this kernel can´t?
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Well Siyah at this stage of development probably has many more features, Speedmod offers the best battery life which is good for me
Hello all,
I just ordered a new Note 10.1 from Costco.com (32 gig) and from reading reviews and such I was thrown into the world of rooting. For my job, we were given iPhones so I've really only had an iPhone and am used to the iOS. Not a fan. Have always wanted to try Android but have never been thrown into it.
Are there any good guides out there to help me better understand rooting, etc.? I understand that you have to unlock it, then flash a custom ROM. What happens when the newer version of that ROM comes out? Do you lose all of your Data? Can any mod be installed on any ROM? I just don't have a good understanding of how or what to do. Granted, I don't even have the tablet yet, however, I don't want to be completely lost when I get it. I do like the idea of rooting, given that you can install powerful apps that are only offered to rooted tablets.
This is my first post here and am hoping for some helpful responses of maybe some threads that I should read to help me understand things better.
Also, where do you find custom ROMS? Is there a certain section you have to go? Or are all the custom ROMS under the ANDROID DEVELOPMENT forum?
Thanks for the help.
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
wd4oay said:
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
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What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
midas69 said:
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
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That's good to know. Thank you.
jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
I read in sammobile that samsung will launch Note 8.0, it is true?
What do you think?
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deeselcyde said:
That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
optimus43 said:
I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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There's more reasons to root other than just flashing custom ROMs. As a matter of fact, you really don't even have to root to install a custom ROM, you just need a custom recovery installed.
Personally I'm fine with the stock ROM on this tablet even though I run custom ROMs on my phones. I did have a custom ROM installed for a few weeks that was little more than the stock ROM with a few tweaks. It didn't lose any functionality with regards to multi-screen or pen. But some of the other more customized ROMs do lose functionality.
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
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That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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no, it leaves the firmware as is and it simply gives you root access, i.e. administrative control over just about all processes that the tablet is capable of. It also allows you to flash custom ROMS. that method, along with the exynos exploit method ( not possible on 4.1.2), leave you as close to stock as possible . and leaves the official recovery. Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I am wrong, but so long as you don't flash a custom ROM, I believe you can still update through OTA. I know you can through KIES. If you do go with a custom ROM, I'm pretty sure you lose all the touch wiz goodies, like multi screen as another noted above. and likely would have to use ODIN or mobile ODIN to update.
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What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
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Custom apps such as multi window manager. Custom roms if you wish. Overclock cpu with tegrak on stock rooted, it does sometimes come in handy to be safely overclocked. personally this tablet is so good off the shelf you dont NEED a custom rom but that overclock is good. Ability to access and change root files such as dolphin preference in order to make it work with flash player. More reliable backups of apps and data with titanium backup. There are a plethera of reasons for rooting a tablet. But do be cautious.
Don't forget you need root for AdAway. You also need root if you want to play around (very dangerous) with the build.prop file to try to install programs that the Play Store says aren't compatible.
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The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
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The 3d cube things I think your talking about are scroll effects, like cube, sphere or card stack. You dont need to be rooted for these, you can just download a launcher (nova, apex, adw) from the play store and change the effects in there.
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just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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One more question about that link. So once I follow the instructions provided in the link to root my Note 10.1, will I still have the custom ROM? And, will I be able to auto update from Samsung or whoever whenever a new version of the Android ROM comes out? I don't necessarily care about having someones custom ROM, I just want the benefits of using the GAPPS that I wouldn't be able to use if I wasn't rooted.
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Hi, sorry to sound like a noob, but I have read so much and am trying to keep up with what works now but didn't work when some of the old posts I read were posted, and just some general questions to clear things up. My s4 comes tomorrow and I want to be clear I have this down, seems like a much bigger pain than my S3 at least upfront.
So lets assume it comes with mf3 out of the box. I assume it will, is this still the issue? Safestrap is what I do, there still isn't an unlocked bootloader?
So assuming it is mf3 this is what I gather I need to do. I will root by doing the thing with terminal and a micro sd. This still works? It's still as easy as the guide I found says it is? Just have the files on root of micro sd and run the command in terminal?
Ok, so after I root I install the safestrap apk (turn on all sources of course first) and then install it or hit install recovery or whatever it says. Then boot and when I see the splash screen hit the recovery option.
At this point is the most confusion. There is a lot of talk in older posts about creating ram slots and not over writing stock rom. However some more recent posts I read mention over writing stock rom with a custom rom. So what do I do here. Assuming I create a few rom slots can I essential dual boot between roms? Can I have a google play edition and a TW edition just a reboot away?
After I do whatever with a rom then flash the kernal from the safestrap post.
Then reboot into said rom.
Then that's it? Going forward I can overwrite a rom slot with whatever custom rom I want?
Is there any limitations to roms or anything?
Lastely, is there any progress in unlocking the bootloader to just put a custom recovery on and have it be like other devices, or with safestrap has everyone just given up on that?
Thanks.
You need to read this from the beginning of the page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428254
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You need to read this from the beginning of the page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428254
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That doesn't really answer anything and in fact just seems to add to my issues.
"Also, at this time, only TW based ROMs will work with SS. CM, AOSP, AOKP, MIUI, etc will not work. "
is stated. However there are million other posts about people saying they are on CM or other AOSP roms.
It seems so much has changed over the past few months and sifting through all these posts and figuring what still applies now and what's old information seems impossible.
Plus I saw no post with actual discussion about overwriting stock rom. Just following along the safestrap thread all of a sudden people were saying don't do it, then all of a sudden people are doing it.
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That doesn't really answer anything and in fact just seems to add to my issues.
"Also, at this time, only TW based ROMs will work with SS. CM, AOSP, AOKP, MIUI, etc will not work. "
is stated. However there are million other posts about people saying they are on CM or other AOSP roms.
It seems so much has changed over the past few months and sifting through all these posts and figuring what still applies now and what's old information seems impossible.
Plus I saw no post with actual discussion about overwriting stock rom. Just following along the safestrap thread all of a sudden people were saying don't do it, then all of a sudden people are doing it.
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Okay let me clear this up for you. A guy that worked at best buy got the mf3 tar files from the Samsung smart that they use at best buy to fix peoples phones. So with the newer posts saying do it, is because you have the tar files to Odin back to stock in case anything happens. So older posts we weren't able to do that because we didn't have the tar files.
Now there are 4.2.2 Google edition roms that are based on tw but has the aosp feel to it you can have as one slot, than you can have a tw in another slot and flash back and fourth, which you can have up to 3 or 4 Roms slots as long as you have the storage for it you can make it. It use to be that you could only make 1,2, or 3 gig ROM slots for safestrap but I think you can partition more gigs now.
The people that are saying that they're on cm, aosp Roms are people who have the MDL firmware which there was an exploit for the boot loader, once mf3 hit Samsung and att locked that exploit up and its been so locked down people are getting rid of their s4's.
If your phone comes with mf3 first thing to do is not to set up WiFi yet and don't take an update. Root the device via the SD card method or kingo root method, than get safestrap installed and flash whatever ROM two based ROM for 4.2.2 you want. Hope that clears up some things
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Okay let me clear this up for you. A guy that worked at best buy got the mf3 tar files from the Samsung smart that they use at best buy to fix peoples phones. So with the newer posts saying do it, is because you have the tar files to Odin back to stock in case anything happens. So older posts we weren't able to do that because we didn't have the tar files.
Now there are 4.2.2 Google edition roms that are based on tw but has the aosp feel to it you can have as one slot, than you can have a tw in another slot and flash back and fourth, which you can have up to 3 or 4 Roms slots as long as you have the storage for it you can make it. It use to be that you could only make 1,2, or 3 gig ROM slots for safestrap but I think you can partition more gigs now.
The people that are saying that they're on cm, aosp Roms are people who have the MDL firmware which there was an exploit for the boot loader, once mf3 hit Samsung and att locked that exploit up and its been so locked down people are getting rid of their s4's.
If your phone comes with mf3 first thing to do is not to set up WiFi yet and don't take an update. Root the device via the SD card method or kingo root method, than get safestrap installed and flash whatever ROM two based ROM for 4.2.2 you want. Hope that clears up some things
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Ok, thanks for clearing that app. So when browsing ROMS I just have to make sure I get a TW based one, or even within touchwiz is there specific ROMS for mf3?
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Ok, thanks for clearing that app. So when browsing ROMS I just have to make sure I get a TW based one, or even within touchwiz is there specific ROMS for mf3?
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If you would have bothered to read the thread that was linked for you (that you claimed didn't help you) you would have seen a list of ROMs in the OP.
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If you would have bothered to read the thread that was linked for you (that you claimed didn't help you) you would have seen a list of ROMs in the OP.
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I see the list, does it say "these are the only working roms" - no.
It also says TW roms work, so do roms beyond those listed work. Or rather even if not confirmed "should" they work?
And lastly, the reason I made the original post in the first place, how current is that info. There is conflicting info all over the place, and so many posts like the one linked don't date updates and changes consistently.
If that was the definitive list 3 months ago, but more are widely accepted as working since then, I have no way of no way of knowing that.
There is no single post that has properly dated updated information all in one place. I appreciate there are people that have been doing this and keeping up with this stuff for a while now, but as a new s4 owner, this mf3 stuff is not only different, but all the proper info is spread out all over the place and not dated.
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I see the list, does it say "these are the only working roms" - no.
It also says TW roms work, so do roms beyond those listed work. Or rather even if not confirmed "should" they work?
And lastly, the reason I made the original post in the first place, how current is that info. There is conflicting info all over the place, and so many posts like the one linked don't date updates and changes consistently.
If that was the definitive list 3 months ago, but more are widely accepted as working since then, I have no way of no way of knowing that.
There is no single post that has properly dated updated information all in one place. I appreciate there are people that have been doing this and keeping up with this stuff for a while now, but as a new s4 owner, this mf3 stuff is not only different, but all the proper info is spread out all over the place and not dated.
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That is why you need to take time to learn and read. It sounds as if you are wanting someone else to do all of the research for you. If the information is spread out to you, than it is to others also. Search, read, and learn...that is the only way to get the information you need. I'm really not sure what else you are looking for? If you are looking for someone to tell you exactly what ROMs (out of every ROM available) will work 100% in your situation you are, that person doesn't exist. So like I asked, what is it you are looking for? Maybe if you clarify your request you can get more help, but remember, not that you will do this, but don't ask for anything that you should be able to do yourself.
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That is why you need to take time to learn and read. It sounds as if you are wanting someone else to do all of the research for you. If the information is spread out to you, than it is to others also. Search, read, and learn...that is the only way to get the information you need. I'm really not sure what else you are looking for? If you are looking for someone to tell you exactly what ROMs (out of every ROM available) will work 100% in your situation you are, that person doesn't exist. So like I asked, what is it you are looking for? Maybe if you clarify your request you can get more help, but remember, not that you will do this, but don't ask for anything that you should be able to do yourself.
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"It also says TW roms work, so do roms beyond those listed work. Or rather even if not confirmed "should" they work?"
That's what I'm looking for.
Can I in theory flash any TW ROM without risk of bricking, or am I actually limited to those confirmed. And follow up, how up to date is the confirmed list?
I can see all the information, I can do all the research, the problem is none of the information is dated, I read something about not overwriting stock rom slot, then I read something about doing it, and when nothing is dated for edits just the date of the original post shown, I don't know which piece of information is relevant and which piece to ignore.
If that list was dated and it was dated recently, I wouldn't have asked, I would have trusted it as an up to date list. But what if that list is 2 months old and there other roms now that are more relevant.
failedjedi said:
"It also says TW roms work, so do roms beyond those listed work. Or rather even if not confirmed "should" they work?"
That's what I'm looking for.
Can I in theory flash any TW ROM without risk of bricking, or am I actually limited to those confirmed. And follow up, how up to date is the confirmed list?
I can see all the information, I can do all the research, the problem is none of the information is dated, I read something about not overwriting stock rom slot, then I read something about doing it, and when nothing is dated for edits just the date of the original post shown, I don't know which piece of information is relevant and which piece to ignore.
If that list was dated and it was dated recently, I wouldn't have asked, I would have trusted it as an up to date list. But what if that list is 2 months old and there other roms now that are more relevant.
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This is probably the best answer you are going to get (though others might be able to help you). The thread states to only use 4.22 TW ROMs. That means, that in theory, any 4.22 TW based ROM should work. However, if the ROM isn't specifically listed in that thread, it is your own risk to try it. There is always risk. No one can guarantee anything even if it somehow worked for them them. So if you try a ROM that is not in the list, you are taking a risk. There is no other way to put it. If you want to know about a specific ROM not on the list, and it meets the requirements, you will need to search the ROMs development thread to see if it is mentioned as working with SafeStrap and if it hasn't been mentioned, then ask in that specific thread. The information in the SafeStrap thread's OP is generally current but it is also important to read the entire thread to see what has changed from early on. It doesn't matter what anyone else claims to be running or doing, if it says to do or not do something in the OP, then listen to it. It you choose to do something different than what the OP states, it is your risk. Good luck.
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This is probably the best answer you are going to get (though others might be able to help you). The thread states to only use 4.22 TW ROMs. That means, that in theory, any 4.22 TW based ROM should work. However, if the ROM isn't specifically listed in that thread, it is your own risk to try it. There is always risk. No one can guarantee anything even if it somehow worked for them them. So if you try a ROM that is not in the list, you are taking a risk. There is no other way to put it. If you want to know about a specific ROM not on the list, and it meets the requirements, you will need to search the ROMs development thread to see if it is mentioned as working with SafeStrap and if it hasn't been mentioned, then ask in that specific thread. The information in the SafeStrap thread's OP is generally current but it is also important to read the entire thread to see what has changed from early on. It doesn't matter what anyone else claims to be running or doing, if it says to do or not do something in the OP, then listen to it. It you choose to do something different than what the OP states, it is your risk. Good luck.
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"it is also important to read the entire thread to see what has changed from early on"
"It doesn't matter what anyone else claims to be running or doing, if it says to do or not do something in the OP, then listen to it."
This is my issue with the snarky comments here. You have been helpful, but all over there are snarky comments all with similar statements.
Make sure you read it, but don't trust what you read, make sure you spend 4 hours reading a 100+ page forum before you ask a simple question, I have seen simple yes/no questions answered with paragraph responses bashing OP for not reading.
Now in my case the 3 main posts that people should read to do this, if they were dated I would have been fine.
Again, not anyone here specifically for the most part, but XDA in general is full of this superiority attitude.
failedjedi said:
"it is also important to read the entire thread to see what has changed from early on"
"It doesn't matter what anyone else claims to be running or doing, if it says to do or not do something in the OP, then listen to it."
This is my issue with the snarky comments here. You have been helpful, but all over there are snarky comments all with similar statements.
Make sure you read it, but don't trust what you read, make sure you spend 4 hours reading a 100+ page forum before you ask a simple question, I have seen simple yes/no questions answered with paragraph responses bashing OP for not reading.
Now in my case the 3 main posts that people should read to do this, if they were dated I would have been fine.
Again, not anyone here specifically for the most part, but XDA in general is full of this superiority attitude.
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It's not a "superiority" attitude as you put it, it is the RULES. You are expected to read as much as you need to to learn. If that means 1 day or 100 days, it's up to you. This is a development forum and not a "tutorial site. People are very helpful if you at least try to help yourself first. I told you, there is no "easy" answer for what you ask. You HAVE to try the ROMs for yourself if you want to risk it. Expecting someone else to do it so they can run back and give you the answer after they took the risk is a "superiority" attitude. I also told you,DO WHAT THE OP STATES! Anything else is your risk. Why is that hard to understand? Anything you try that is not stated in the OP is untried, unproven, and risky. It's that simple.
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It's not a "superiority" attitude as you put it, it is the RULES. You are expected to read as much as you need to to learn. If that means 1 day or 100 days, it's up to you. This is a development forum and not a "tutorial site. People are very helpful if you at least try to help yourself first. I told you, there is no "easy" answer for what you ask. You HAVE to try the ROMs for yourself if you want to risk it. Expecting someone else to do it so they can run back and give you the answer after they took the risk is a "superiority" attitude. I also told you,DO WHAT THE OP STATES! Anything else is your risk. Why is that hard to understand? Anything you try that is not stated in the OP is untried, unproven, and risky. It's that simple.
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I asked for clarification on conflicting information.
It's not hard to understand do what OP says. It's the fact that in 2 sentences you said both to read EVERYTHING for information, then insist on only getting viable information from OP, which is it?
I tried to only follow OP but saw conflicting info so asked for clarification, then get told to read everything. Then get told don't trust what I read only follow what OP says. When there are 3 different "must read" posts, by 3 different authors and they are conflicting what the f*** is anyone supposed to do.
You are the one that makes seem like I'm asking to be guided through baby steps. I didn't. I asked if all TW roms should in theory work, a simple yes, or as you finally did say in theory they should, would have sufficed. Just a simple clarification, instead you are the one putting more work into the issue. That could have ended it right there, instead you keep posting more contradictory statements.
I read, I figured out all the steps I needed to take, some stuff was worded odd, or had conflicting info and I just wanted clarification on what was still relevant. God forbid someone have to say yes or no to a few questions to save others the time of reading hundreds of pages stuff that is out of date.
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Hey guys!
Im a noob when it comes to installing ROMs and crap like that into phones (never done it), so even after looking at alot of threads about lollipop on s4 im wondering. Is it worth the time and effort i need to go through to get it because im running an unlocked version so i cant get updates from at&t. Chances of bricking? Oh and i was wondering do i need a sd card to do all of this? Can i do this from my phones internal storage?
Many thanks in advance.
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Hey guys!
Im a noob when it comes to installing ROMs and crap like that into phones (never done it), so even after looking at alot of threads about lollipop on s4 im wondering. Is it worth the time and effort i need to go through to get it because im running an unlocked version so i cant get updates from at&t. Chances of bricking? Oh and i was wondering do i need a sd card to do all of this? Can i do this from my phones internal storage?
Many thanks in advance.
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What system version are you currently on? Check your baseband in the About section of your settings. Depending on which it is, the process is different, but you can do it from internal storage either way.
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What system version are you currently on? Check your baseband in the About section of your settings. Depending on which it is, the process is different, but you can do it from internal storage either way.
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Im on 4.4.2 1337UCUFNB1 atm and rooted using towelroot.
Still, is lollipop worth the effort to update from this?
If yes how do i go on about doing it so the chances of bricking are low? (I just got the phone and paranoid )
The tutorials ive seen gave some terminology im not up to par with it :/
Thank you for the help!
Is anyone there willing to help?
Pliz.
TheJuli said:
Im on 4.4.2 1337UCUFNB1 atm and rooted using towelroot.
Still, is lollipop worth the effort to update from this?
If yes how do i go on about doing it so the chances of bricking are low? (I just got the phone and paranoid )
The tutorials ive seen gave some terminology im not up to par with it :/
Thank you for the help!
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It's mostly personal preference, but if you're already rooted then it's not very difficult to do. If you want to just use stock Lollipop with root it's as simple as install Safestrap, flash the OC4 ROM, and flash the kernel. I can get you links for that if you want. If you want a custom ROM, you'll have to also flash the SuperSU Beta file and the correct modules for either the OC3 or OC4 kernel, which isn't difficult. I can get you links if you want to go ahead with either of those, if you want a custom ROM though you'll have to pick one out yourself.
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It's mostly personal preference, but if you're already rooted then it's not very difficult to do. If you want to just use stock Lollipop with root it's as simple as install Safestrap, flash the OC4 ROM, and flash the kernel. I can get you links for that if you want. If you want a custom ROM, you'll have to also flash the SuperSU Beta file and the correct modules for either the OC3 or OC4 kernel, which isn't difficult. I can get you links if you want to go ahead with either of those, if you want a custom ROM though you'll have to pick one out yourself.
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The stock lollipop please or just any lollipop that won't give me trouble like camera or bluetooth not working! So how do i do all what you mentioned there? Thanks a ton btw!
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It's mostly personal preference, but if you're already rooted then it's not very difficult to do. If you want to just use stock Lollipop with root it's as simple as install Safestrap, flash the OC4 ROM, and flash the kernel. I can get you links for that if you want. If you want a custom ROM, you'll have to also flash the SuperSU Beta file and the correct modules for either the OC3 or OC4 kernel, which isn't difficult. I can get you links if you want to go ahead with either of those, if you want a custom ROM though you'll have to pick one out yourself.
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I ran into this => http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-update-to-i337oc3-5-0-1-keeproot-t3075814
Will it do the job for me? Seems easier than what you described - But i still dont get step number 7. How do i do that Odin's PDA/AP thing?
If you dont wanna be bothered with what i just asked, continue with your own method, if its safer.
Sooo, umm anyone else there in the community, knows how to do this and walk me through?
Pliz.
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I ran into this => http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-update-to-i337oc3-5-0-1-keeproot-t3075814
Will it do the job for me? Seems easier than what you described - But i still dont get step number 7. How do i do that Odin's PDA/AP thing?
If you dont wanna be bothered with what i just asked, continue with your own method, if its safer.
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TheJuli said:
Sooo, umm anyone else there in the community, knows how to do this and walk me through?
Pliz.
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muniz_ri's thread that you linked is the preferred method for someone in your situation to accomplish what you want to do. The instructions are all there. Read through the instructions several times until it makes sense to you. If there is something you don't understand, ask specific questions. It is better (for you) if we don't hold your hand and walk you through everything, because you will learn more if you do it yourself.
Regarding: "Is it worth it?"
It's personal preference. I find the ui improvements in 5.0.1 not great...they are minor or in some cases they seem like down grades.
But I do find the phone noticeably snappier and faster in most tasks. I've had no glitches or fc in the week since I upgraded (I think most of the people complaining about problems about 5.0.1 took the ota without doing a reset) And you'll have the latest security updates also.
If you do upgrade, you have choice of odexed stock or deodexed stock. I'd recommend deodexed if you think you might want to use xposed in the future.
Installed it
In my experience 5.0.1, with its huge constant 1GB Ram usage (without apps or bloatware running and grenify too), was pretty meh. The design of things looks good and all but i personaly think that kitkat did it better RAM wise (Constantly on 500MB), and for that reason, I switched back. I did not experince any snappier or faster performance but i would say it was the same. All in all, if you want flashy and a good looking android phone without loss of performance, but only 800MB free RAM, go for it.
The only thing i learnt from all of this was, how android stuff actually works. So much searching of things lead me to learning more and more. Never had i ever used odin or flashed any firmware. This whole proccess went with some fright within me, but as long as you follow the steps correctly, there is nothing you should be afraid of.
The ROMs seem to have bugs so I intend to just use a custom kernel and remove bloat apps. Maybe when I find a ROM updated enough so there aren't any bugs, then I will shift to it.
Also, the updating process for ROMs in general seems very time consuming and frustrating. Plus you have to backup everything before an update to the ROM. This is why I wish to just stay with the stock, until I find something that is less time consuming.
Also - Is there a guide/FAQ for the whole root/rom/kernel/bootloader thing for noobs? If so can you please link it to me?
Thank you.
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The ROMs seem to have bugs so I intend to just use a custom kernel and remove bloat apps. Maybe when I find a ROM updated enough so there aren't any bugs, then I will shift to it.
Also, the updating process for ROMs in general seems very time consuming and frustrating. Plus you have to backup everything before an update to the ROM. This is why I wish to just stay with the stock, until I find something that is less time consuming.
Also - Is there a guide/FAQ for the whole root/rom/kernel/bootloader thing for noobs? If so can you please link it to me?
Thank you.
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Well, I'll try to clarify some things here. I'm using the Lineage OS Unofficial ROM for this phone. I can't speak for all the other ROMs, but Lineage has been very stable, supports the fingerprint gestures, and if all goes well then we'll see official Lineage OS builds before long. Same thing happened happens with my Moto G3. As for bloat, Lineage doesn't really come with any besides their forked AOSP apps, some of which are replaced by the official Google versions depending on which Open GApps version you choose.
As for updating, Lineage is still unofficial so that means manual flashing, but honestly you can stay on a build for quite some time, there's not a lot of major changes from one nightly to another. Also you can dirty flash updates meaning you don't need to wipe everything, just flash the updates and clear the cache as TWRP suggests after flashing. Once it gets an official build you can update in the System Settings.
A quick look at the Guides forum for this phone would have shown you this collection of guides:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/howto-ultimate-g5-plus-guide-unlocking-t3593531
Please try to search the forum and look at top and stickied posts in the future. I hope this helped, custom ROMs can do a lot of great things.
Edit: I will say however there's nothing wrong with staying on stock if you choose. I happen to love ROMs but it's personal preference.
That thread and others in the guides section have a ton of useful support whether you're an avid ROM enthusiast or just trying to improve on stock.
To answer your question about updates when staying on stock but using a custom kernel, you won't be able to get them correctly because your /boot (kernel) and /recovery (TWRP) partitions aren't stock anymore which it'll detect and fail.
When updates come you can either return to stock using the tools/guides here, take the OTA then reinstall TWRP and custom kernel (which does take some work to get back where you were), or hopefully a benevolent Dev here will create a flashable zip from the update you can just do in TWRP, which is often the case but we'll have to wait & see. In either case it's still worth it imo for the control you get over the system compared to remaining fully stock.
Can someone make flashable zip of the recent update that fixes the 911 bug?
Hi,
Good question! :angel:
I explain it for another device (Moto G4):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4/how-to/guide-simple-ota-update-rooted-unlocked-t3510126
Simple explanation:
- You can update with OTAs if you never modify the SYSTEM partition.
- You can install the OTA using any custom recovery (for example TWRP) is you spoof the build thumbprint: you can edit the ZIP of the OTA, or change the data in the recovery.
- The OTA will install a new kernel (it fully overwrite the partition), so you will require to re-root.
That's all!
Use flashfire
zeft64 said:
Use flashfire
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What's your experience with it so far with G5 Plus, or others using it with our device?
If none, maybe be careful about recommending it without giving further info.
Installed it and on first screen (Actions) it says:
"Motorola devices experimental
While some basic testing has been done for flashing this brand's firmwares, caution is still advised. Please consult with expert users for this brand before performing potentially dangerous actions."
It also says on the Playstore blurb and Chainfire's XDA thread for it that it works "without using a custom recovery", so if we have one is that a problem? I know it is for flashing OTAs otherwise, but does it get around having one if you do?
More generally it also says in both places:
"FlashFire is an extremely powerful application, it should be used with caution. Data loss, soft-bricks, and even hard-bricks are possible if used incorrectly. Unless you are an expert user, consult FlashFire's website and the XDA discussion thread before doing anything potentially destructive"
Avoid flashfire... I tried to install something and let the device "dead"... I don't know how, but got back to life after some minutes...
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Dahenjo said:
What's your experience with it so far with G5 Plus, or others using it with our device?
If none, maybe be careful about recommending it without giving further info.
Installed it and on first screen (Actions) it says:
"Motorola devices experimental
While some basic testing has been done for flashing this brand's firmwares, caution is still advised. Please consult with expert users for this brand before performing potentially dangerous actions."
It also says on the Playstore blurb and Chainfire's XDA thread for it that it works "without using a custom recovery", so if we have one is that a problem? I know it is for flashing OTAs otherwise, but does it get around having one if you do?
More generally it also says in both places:
"FlashFire is an extremely powerful application, it should be used with caution. Data loss, soft-bricks, and even hard-bricks are possible if used incorrectly. Unless you are an expert user, consult FlashFire's website and the XDA discussion thread before doing anything potentially destructive"
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I'm sooooo glad someone else commented on this. I'm sorry man.