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To buy or not buy TyTN II?

Hi this is my first post, so hope it has not been asked to many times before I'm heavely considering buying this mobile, but it's VERY expensive so have a couple of questions I'm hoping I can use it for:
1. Is it possible to stream music from a NAS server and afterwards connect TYTN II to my receiver digitally or by two phono?
2. Have read it has internally FM, but not activated. Is that correct, and if it gets activated, will there be possibility for TMC?
3. Is the internal GPS antenna strong enough, so I can use it in a car.
4. Is there any good tools I can use on it from this forum if I buy if?
Thanks.

welcome: I would say yes to 1,2,3...for 4 and more detail you should visit the Kaiser threads.
here's a prior thread with some info (there are many others - do a search on tytn II):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341107

galaxys said:
welcome: I would say yes to 1,2,3...for 4 and more detail you should visit the Kaiser threads.
here's a prior thread with some info (there are many others - do a search on tytn II):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341107
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Hi thanks for the answer. If I search on NAS it won't accept it. Is it possible for you to provide more links, because if I can stream music from my NAS to the PPC and output the sound on my receiver, I will definitely buy it

I'd say don't buy the HTC TyTN just on the baisis that a new product is already out.. Buy the new one instead from HTC...

here is the XDA Kaiser section for your research or to post your questions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=376

Bjur said:
Hi thanks for the answer. If I search on NAS it won't accept it. Is it possible for you to provide more links, because if I can stream music from my NAS to the PPC and output the sound on my receiver, I will definitely buy it
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The sites built in search does not accept words of less than 4 letters. Use the "Search XDA-Dev Using Google" sticky post - near the top of the posts listings - but here's a shortcut to it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298893
By the way, I'm not so convinced about enabling FM radio on TyTn II. The fact that a chip is capable of something does not mean it can be practically enabled. Even if you can enable it there is still a potential issue of tuning and connecting an aerial or even using an earphone lead as an antenna. The A-GPS enabled chip on the Tytn I is an example of sometimes near impossible to solve practical difficulties.
Mike

mikechannon said:
The sites built in search does not accept words of less than 4 letters. Use the "Search XDA-Dev Using Google" sticky post - near the top of the posts listings - but here's a shortcut to it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298893
By the way, I'm not so convinced about enabling FM radio on TyTn II. The fact that a chip is capable of something does not mean it can be practically enabled. Even if you can enable it there is still a potential issue of tuning and connecting an aerial or even using an earphone lead as an antenna. The A-GPS enabled chip on the Tytn I is an example of sometimes near impossible to solve practical difficulties.
Mike
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Thanks for the help
I'm just about one day to buy it
To help me get started, is there a thread where I can find good applications to it and also if there are any good flahs I can use for it?
Thanks once more for the help!

An idea to use nexus s as a key-fob

Hi,
An idea just hits my mind when I put my nexus s beside my key fob for my room, nexus has shown an unknown tag using NFC technology. The idea is to make nexus reads the key-fob id then use nexus as an alternative key-fob.
Hopefully someone can get this idea out and make it real.
Thank you.

I guess to start, someone will need to be able to tell the NFC to *transmit* instead of just receive.
Sorta like the FM radio chip that's supposedly on board. Someone said in another Nexus S thread that there's an FM radio chip in there somewhere (in the wifi chip maybe?) and that it was intended to be a transmitter.

cormyn said:
I guess to start, someone will need to be able to tell the NFC to *transmit* instead of just receive.
Sorta like the FM radio chip that's supposedly on board. Someone said in another Nexus S thread that there's an FM radio chip in there somewhere (in the wifi chip maybe?) and that it was intended to be a transmitter.
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this is the chip in the Nexus S and it does indeed transmit and receive FM
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4329

It should be possible. The NFC chip on the NS can do write/card emulation/P2P modes, but they're not enabled in the Gingerbread API. There's library code to get close to doing this in previous revisions of the AOSP projects (see libnfc-nxp.git and Nfc.git projects), but the NFC library's hairy and poorly documented, so it'd be a bit of an effort (I've looked).
Google have said they'll be enabling the write and P2P modes later, so it's either more hackery now, or wait for Google to enable it.

mwak14 said:
Hi,
An idea just hits my mind when I put my nexus s beside my key fob for my room, nexus has shown an unknown tag using NFC technology. The idea is to make nexus reads the key-fob id then use nexus as an alternative key-fob.
Hopefully someone can get this idea out and make it real.
Thank you.
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The only problem I can think of is the method in which key fobs work. I have a 135i with comfort access and I know for a fact they use a type of rolling code to prevent this kind of thing. You would have to be able to adjust the frequency each time and make sure that your car picked up that same frequency.
That probably doesn't make too much sense, and I'm having a hard time putting it into words so here, this explains rolling codes and how key fobs work:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/automotive/unlock-car-door-remote1.htm

booyakasha said:
The only problem I can think of is the method in which key fobs work. I have a 135i with comfort access and I know for a fact they use a type of rolling code to prevent this kind of thing. You would have to be able to adjust the frequency each time and make sure that your car picked up that same frequency.
That probably doesn't make too much sense, and I'm having a hard time putting it into words so here, this explains rolling codes and how key fobs work:
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If it's not NFC-compliant tech (which from what you describe, isn't), it won't work, that's a given.

Nfc can be used for secure access so like your coprorate buildings and is liminlted to about 10cm distance. So yes, a car manufacturer could implement it.
As for a radio fob, most of those are 868Mhz low power RF. Funny thing is, NXP, the semi company that makes the nfc chip also makes the 868Mhz RF chip in most car fobs.

Panapacific DEA600 head unit and smart touch screen...

Hey Guys,
I just bought a brand new Kenworth W900, and it has android auto (or something mimicing it) built in... A panapacific dea600... the major problem is it super kludge... amongst being terribly locked down, i cannot connect to an ad hoc wifi thru my windows 10 laptop (that is tethered to my S6 with easy tether)... my tablet can connect to the ad hoc no problems, and my stereo can see the network but cannot connect to it for some reason (i REALLY need to update the trucks GPS maps, and have you tried to use a truck stops wifi? (like dial up))... id really just like access to the OS or another launcher so i can add some apps that i need (no not facebook or stuff like that) and perhaps root and rom it....
its running android 4.2.2... and i can get you the entirely too long software version
Its sad really because this could be cutting edge stuff, but someone higher up had to come up with ways to neuter this damn thing... and look i get that there are things i shouldnt have access to while driving, but it DOES have android web browser built in so its not like they dont want us using it...
i dont expect the world as this unit has only been shipping with trucks for a few months... and many of you may not have come across it... but perhaps it shares hardware with another system and panapacific just stole it (it HAS happened many times)
thanks guys and look forward to replies before i finish going insane

Nobody?

DEA600 - SmartDisplay for Automotive Infotainment
Hey,
I just came across your note while search for this product - I was the software architect/tech lead for the supplier company providing the Android port and the Freescale SOM component of the display screen on this product line - although moved on shirtly after the system went to mass production. - it is awesome to see someone here discuss it!
You are very correct on a lot of you assumptions and assessments. it was a very ambitious project that really tried to leverage as much of what Android was capable of at the time it was planned, but tuned to work as a smart display for commercial vehicles.
The display is only a part of a system of components. The display runs a port of Android 4.2.2 - but highly tailored to its environment - pairs with the Delphi radio unit (as a peer, not as an accessory) and is toghtly coupled to the unit in production. as a security measure.
unfortunately for what you are looking for, though much of the upgrade and app installation capabilities have been locked down to prevent side loading or execution of "unauthorized" apps that don't have special keys fro. the OEM or manufacturer. even if installed, the system manager will kill any apps that are launched without keys.
you may be able to get a developer key from the OEM but I don't know how they chose to mange that in the final system.
thanks for the posting, though - it was a small run comparatively for android systems but it was a pretty damn cool system with what we did get working....
I would be happy to discuss more if you want. - with what I can....
- Chris

DEA600
hi there
i have same head unit in my 389 pride and class peterbilt, for the map part, that you can update by connecting it to your phones internet, either wifi hot spot if not then just connect it with bluetooth and use bluetooth tethering of phone and PAN of your DEA600, but main problem in the system is that you cant put a single thing without pulling breaks, and u cant download a single file by any means, it just displays error that unfortunately process.android. stopped or browser has stopped or settings has stopped. if any one figured out how to download anythimg in this little thing. please update

hello there. I have T-680 with DEA600. I had exactly the same problem and ended up taking my truck to a dealer. it turned out to be defected radio. After it was replaced, it would connect to a hotspot no problem ( im using htc 10).

I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?

Hey guys so a friend of mine has the DEA601 in his new truck and drives him nuts that the passenger cannot control things when its going faster than 5km hour (his old Peterbuilt worked fine).
I'm a software eng and would like to find out how to disable the Distracted Driver feature (like you can do in settings on many other Android Auto ROM's like Honda). What are my options here? a) Make a whole new ROM (but how to do that?) b) try to hexedit the existing ROM and find where the 5 km value is and modify it c) add an add-on app somehow to override this limit or d) other???
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Ckrobin said:
I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?
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I found out in order for the guages to work I need an $800 module my truck didn't come with. Now my biggest problem is the technology seems to have stagnated. The software on my phone and tablet are no longer very comparable with Android 4.2. I try my iPhone and my Android tablet and neither will play Pandora consistently. I am forced to use Bluetooth which looses sound quality on an already low quality stereo. I really wish Kenworth had spent their R &D on making their trucks compatible with idatalink like most aftermarket stereos use.
At this point I am torn between installing a hideaway marine stereo with a remote display and leaving this POS Pans Pacrapic as a display with nono sound. Or installing a line converter and amp and dealing with this clunky software. I wish someone would make a rom to upgrade this thing.

Looks like the Mfg won this round
Looks like the Mfg won this round
I'm driving one of these trucks also and I keep checking this post but I guess we havent incentivized anyone who cud help yet!

The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.

sunny530 said:
The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.
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This is a 2+ year old thread being g responded to.

What is your point? 2years later and still no solution to the problem. I ran across this thread of people discussing the same problems I'm having with the radio unit. If you got something usefull to add to this discussion then please feel free otherwise you don't need to acknowledge when what was posted that helps me null with my problem.

Anyone here figure anything out?

still nothing

Hello! So I have little tech experience but I am willing to work with someone here to sort this out. Got a 17 w900 that I put a aftermarket double din in and retained smart nav for the gauges. What I did find was the screen (not the radio) gets a input from the wire harness off the ecm to give data to the screen. So I’ll attach a picture of the plug and maybe we can use this plus find it’s female counterpart then get the other end to plug into a maestro box? My Sony doesn’t have maestro. I do have a pioneer that does but can’t justify the cost being the Guinea pig. I’ve already been one of the first to get the tilt column to drop LOW and managed to fit a true 7” double din where the stupid nav was.

Joying stereo won't link with Hondata KPro V4 via Bluetooth

Joying JY-VOS01N4GS w/ an SC-9853i 1.8GHz Octa-core, installed in a 1991 Toyota MR2 with a Honda K24A2 turbo engine swapped into it, controlled by an ECU called a Hondata KPro V4.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/143309152617
I can install and run Hondata or RealDash apps on the stereo without issue, but I can't get it to connect to the ECU itself so I'm looking for suggestions. I've got a $20 no name tablet or a 7+ yrs old Samsung Note 3....all connect to the KPro without issue. Hondata, RealDash and Torque apps all connect without issue on the tablet or phone. New $350+ stereo...keeps giving me failed to connect error.
I'm open to rooting if needed, installing a different Bluetooth app, I have the pin to access developer options, etc....I just need it to connect and work.

m5james said:
Joying JY-VOS01N4GS w/ an SC-9853i 1.8GHz Octa-core, installed in a 1991 Toyota MR2 with a Honda K24A2 turbo engine swapped into it, controlled by an ECU called a Hondata KPro V4.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/143309152617
I can install and run Hondata or RealDash apps on the stereo without issue, but I can't get it to connect to the ECU itself so I'm looking for suggestions. I've got a $20 no name tablet or a 7+ yrs old Samsung Note 3....all connect to the KPro without issue. Hondata, RealDash and Torque apps all connect without issue on the tablet or phone. New $350+ stereo...keeps giving me failed to connect error.
I'm open to rooting if needed, installing a different Bluetooth app, I have the pin to access developer options, etc....I just need it to connect and work.
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It will not pair. Joying (actually FYT/SYU) crippled the bluetooth on their units. You can only pair with phones and a few OBD and TPMS BT devices.
For the rest: nothing.
And that is done onto the lowest compiled level including the MCU. Other drivers/apps/kernels/whatever will not work.

I've been writing Joying and they offered to sell me their OBDII dongle at a discount. I explained to them shortly before writing this post that the car doesn't have an OBDII port since it's a 91, lightly explained the engine sway, but I haven't heard anything yet. Why would they go through all that effort...just to force us to buy their $15 OBDII dongle?
What about universal Bluetooth dongle plugged into one of the USB cords? Or maybe even USB to USB? The ECU has a USB port that I use when I connect to my laptop to run KPro Manager (a Windows PC based program) and the RealDash app on Android does give me the option of Bluetooth, USB or serial input. I'm currently monitoring from this tablet which is completely illegible while driving, needs to be manually powered on/off and then reconnected to Bluetooth...not being able to see the gauges on a much larger screen and automatically reconnect when I start the car crushes EVERY reason why I bought this stereo. There's gotta be a way.

Wrote a long reply, stupid token expired...I'm gonna try this.
https://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18829

Bluetooth dongle didn't work, but I can't confirm if it's a dongle issue since I can connect to it but then the Hondata app says "Ignition not on" when it is. Nevertheless today I played around with the GF's cwr who has a Joying JY-HOS02P4 screen in hers, it's only 3 months old, and it'll connect to my Hondata just fine! Would it be as simple as taking the Bluetooth APK from her car and installing it on mine?

Bump for help...there's gotta be a way :/

Bumping again, hoping maybe someone can help.

Following - need this for ECUTEK bluetooth adapter in my GTR, otherwise the screen is worthless...

m5james said:
Bumping again, hoping maybe someone can help.
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Like mentioned a couple of posts above. Joying crippled Bluetooth and there is simply no "normal" bluetooth stack.
You cannot alter the current BT app as it won't be signed correctly anymore and it will not even be visible anymore.
You cannot add another BT app as that will not have the correct signing either.
Your question is not new. This BT "not being able to pair" is already an issue since 2016. You would be the first to find a solution.
The only thing you can try is what I described in this post, based on info from ojuniour.
Having said that: you should also search the rest of the forum and not only stick to your own question. Otherwise you might already have tried what I described. It might work, it might not.

Surfer, thank you so much for the reply. I've read in depth and was fearful of that, but will try what is in the thread you linked. If you'd be so kind, couple questions that you may have answers to:
- I have a sofia 9853 with android 8.1 (upgrading to 9.0), does that make things better worse or same for the bluetooth situation?
- I've seen some talk on much older threads of using Comfast® CF-WU725B as an external/usb bluetooth solution? Did this (or an alternative dongle) ever or does it still work?
- I've also seen talk of used xposed modules to add bluetooth devices to the whitelist - is there any truth to this?
Surfer, thanks in advance, this is for a tesla screen in a GTR. By removing the stock screen we lose a ton of critical info that can only be gotten back through ecutek, which currently only has a bluetooth solution for android.
M5James - sorry for hijacking your thread, but hopefully this helps you as well

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Surfer, thank you so much for the reply. I've read in depth and was fearful of that, but will try what is in the thread you linked. If you'd be so kind, couple questions that you may have answers to:
- I have a sofia 9853 with android 8.1 (upgrading to 9.0), does that make things better worse or same for the bluetooth situation?
- I've seen some talk on much older threads of using Comfast® CF-WU725B as an external/usb bluetooth solution? Did this (or an alternative dongle) ever or does it still work?
- I've also seen talk of used xposed modules to add bluetooth devices to the whitelist - is there any truth to this?
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1. There is no Sofia 9853. There is a Intel Sofia AND an Intel SC9853i. Those are 2 different CPUs needing different ROMs.
2. No idea. Like mentioned: an external BT dongle has not worked till now, but I have never heard of that Confast one.
3. Xposed is not supported on the 9853i. Not on Android 8.1 and neither on 9.0

@surfer63, thank you again, your thread here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...qa-tips-info-roll-joying-fyt-sc9853i-t3979377) helped me tremendously
@m5james, on a whim i plugged in ecutek to usb via the usb mini port, and shockingly there is support for it. Maybe try the same with Hondata if there is an sort of interface on it.

surfer63 said:
Like mentioned a couple of posts above. Joying crippled Bluetooth and there is simply no "normal" bluetooth stack.
You cannot alter the current BT app as it won't be signed correctly anymore and it will not even be visible anymore.
You cannot add another BT app as that will not have the correct signing either.
Your question is not new. This BT "not being able to pair" is already an issue since 2016. You would be the first to find a solution.
The only thing you can try is what I described in this post, based on info from ojuniour.
Having said that: you should also search the rest of the forum and not only stick to your own question. Otherwise you might already have tried what I described. It might work, it might not.
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Fair enough...honestly like 10 +/-yrs ago I was WAY more into custom ROMs, baking, etc etc but nowadays I feel like it's over my head again. The only reason why I asked about using other BT versions from other Joying devices is because the GF's similarily aged stereo was able to connect, but I understand the signing thing since our two stereos don't share the same OS and CPU.

xadamadax said:
M5James - sorry for hijacking your thread, but hopefully this helps you as well
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You're fine, the more exposure the merrier...I'm not as good at this stuff as I used to be so I'm just hoping someone smarter than me can help

xadamadax said:
@surfer63, thank you again, your thread here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...qa-tips-info-roll-joying-fyt-sc9853i-t3979377) helped me tremendously
@m5james, on a whim i plugged in ecutek to usb via the usb mini port, and shockingly there is support for it. Maybe try the same with Hondata if there is an sort of interface on it.
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Do you have a pic of how you physically hooked it up? I haven't touched much on this subject since my original post and honestly don't recall the connections at the moment but I do recall mine having a square port (I don't know it's official name) that allows me to connect via USB to a laptop. I think I even tried connecting directly to the stereo that way but no luck.
Hondata runs on the screen easily in both portrait and landscape mode but I prefer RealDash, which at doesn't like portrait mode...I'm hoping it's something I can adjust to fit myself since RealDash allows for customisable gauges.

@m5james that is a micro usb port you have, try connecting it to a usb port on the head unit (same way you would a laptop) and open your hondata app - with any luck you'll be in business. If one port doesn't work, try the other - good luck

If you guys want to use the bluetooth pairing with basically about anything then buy the "Stop" brand. Unit actually confess with 2 BT models. One for music and phone call, the other one is located in the android bluetooth setting that would enable you to pair with anything.

ojuniour said:
If you guys want to use the bluetooth pairing with basically about anything then buy the "Stop" brand. Unit actually confess with 2 BT models. One for music and phone call, the other one is located in the android bluetooth setting that would enable you to pair with anything.
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I looked on eBay for "stop android DIN" and nothing comes up.

m5james said:
I looked on eBay for "stop android DIN" and nothing comes up.
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lol my bad I mean Atoto.. Damn auto correction.
here is an example of one connecting to ecuTek obd bluetooth:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141515

xadamadax said:
@m5james that is a micro usb port you have, try connecting it to a usb port on the head unit (same way you would a laptop) and open your hondata app - with any luck you'll be in business. If one port doesn't work, try the other - good luck
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Wait wait wait. Wait a minute.... Are you saying you are able to get the ecuTek OBD bluetooth to work in wired mode[ to the head unit] without connecting to it wirelessly through bluetooth?
And you are using the ecuTek App?

Question about NFC RFID Emulation

I've looked all over for detailed information on smartphones NFC feature and it's ability to emulate an RFID card, but all I keep turning up is very generic information and can't find anything that really digs into the technical specifications and limitations.
This being the one stop shop of all things Android, it seemed logical to try here first to see if anyone might know more that the basic grab regurgitated over and over everywhere you look.
What I have managed to glean from my scouring is that NFC in smart devices operates at the 13.56Mhz range, which seems to be the standard for RFID chips available today. But apparently there's also another group of RFID chips using a much lower frequency of 125Khz and this is where I couldn't turn up any relevant information.
What I'm wanting to know is are the NFC devices backward compatible with the lower frequency? If not is there any sort of chip that acts as a bridge between the two bandwidths that would allow a newer device to communicate with an older one?
I guessing from the lack of info that the answer I'm looking for isn't what I'm going to get, but that's why I'm here, to find out for sure one way or another.
The long story made short to this inquiry is I have a aftermarket device that adds push to start feature to an otherwise ordinary keyed ignition automobile that uses RFID to enable the ignition system, but as I've uncovered it's using the 125khz frequency, that I very much would love to find a way to use my oneplus 8 pro's NFC functionality to be able to operate.
So is there any way I can make this work or am I just SOL and short 2+ hrs of my life for not just coming here first?