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Please forgive me/move thread if this is the inappropriate forum. I couldn't decide for 10 minutes, so I decided to go with the dev forum.
The FM radio: Is it going to be impossible to get it working on the N1? From what I understand the current state of play, devs have got the app working, it scans and finds stations, but it's as though the audio lines are physically not connected up (is this accurate?).
Could it be a limitation of the Alpha status of the Desire ROM being examined?
i think it is radio's fault
if google give us a new radio with fm and maybe some extra mb ram it will work just fine
eesmm said:
Please forgive me/move thread if this is the inappropriate forum. I couldn't decide for 10 minutes, so I decided to go with the dev forum.
The FM radio: Is it going to be impossible to get it working on the N1? From what I understand the current state of play, devs have got the app working, it scans and finds stations, but it's as though the audio lines are physically not connected up (is this accurate?).
Could it be a limitation of the Alpha status of the Desire ROM being examined?
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I'm pretty sure the N1 doesn't have an FM receiver in it.
And if you don't have the hardware, you don't have the hardware. Software can't magically make up for it.
It'd be like trying to get an FM signal out of a toaster.
Paul22000 said:
I'm pretty sure the N1 doesn't have an FM receiver in it.
And if you don't have the hardware, you don't have the hardware. Software can't magically make up for it.
It'd be like trying to get an FM signal out of a toaster.
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It has the hardware...there is a Gizmodo (think it was them) teardown of N1. Discusses the FM capabilities. Also...Desire and N1 have same hardware on the inside (different trackball feature and buttons..but the same). There are posts around the forums confirming this by Modaco and some others.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/nexus-one-teardown-reveals-possible-802-11n-radio-and-fm-transmi/ was Ifixit.com, reported on engadget
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I'm pretty sure the N1 doesn't have an FM receiver in it.
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The Nexus One features a Broadcom BCM4329 chipset with "IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n system (MAC/baseband/radio) with Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate), and FM radio receiver and transmitter" (according to Broadcom's product page).
It may not be fully connected up, or it may just be a software issue (hence my asking in this thread) but the hardware is in there.
eesmm said:
The Nexus One features a Broadcom BCM4329 chipset with "IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n system (MAC/baseband/radio) with Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate), and FM radio receiver and transmitter" (according to Broadcom's product page).
It may not be fully connected up, or it may just be a software issue (hence my asking in this thread) but the hardware is in there.
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What we need is the Desire's completed ROM, and might need it's headphone with built in FM receiver as well. When yo utry and open the FM radio app, it asks you to insert headphones with a FM receiver... well, some have tried and get it to lock on stations, but no sound. Which seems to mean it is a lack of a completed ROM/app, not hardware.
It's possible we may never get this feature working. Not a big deal to me, though. Pandora works fine!
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What we need is the Desire's completed ROM, and might need it's headphone with built in FM receiver as well. When yo utry and open the FM radio app, it asks you to insert headphones with a FM receiver... well, some have tried and get it to lock on stations, but no sound. Which seems to mean it is a lack of a completed ROM/app, not hardware.
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The headphones don't have the receiver in it. it simply uses the headphone cable as an Antenna just like the iPod Nano's built in radio.
pjcforpres said:
What we need is the Desire's completed ROM, and might need it's headphone with built in FM receiver as well. When yo utry and open the FM radio app, it asks you to insert headphones with a FM receiver... well, some have tried and get it to lock on stations, but no sound. Which seems to mean it is a lack of a completed ROM/app, not hardware.
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any headphone can act as radio antenna...at least it works in nokia symbian phone. no need to use specific headphone.
faizalmzain said:
any headphone can act as radio antenna...at least it works in nokia symbian phone. no need to use specific headphone.
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Yes and no... if the chip set itself has FM, which the Nexus seems to have, then this is true. But for many "dumb" phones it is the head set itself. This is why I said may need the Desires headphones, and then went on to say it seems more like a lack of a completed ROM/app, since you can tune, just no sound.
would love to see FM radio working on my N1
zmalach said:
would love to see FM radio working on my N1
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+1... BUMP. And for all of you saying "why would you listen to FM radio? Pandora is way better" there is one show in particular here in town that I can only either stream over the internet (requires flash) or listen on the radio that would be kickass if I could catch over FM on my phone. If i want to listen to music then FM radio is definitely the last place I'll go lookin....
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+1... BUMP. And for all of you saying "why would you listen to FM radio? Pandora is way better" there is one show in particular here in town that I can only either stream over the internet (requires flash) or listen on the radio that would be kickass if I could catch over FM on my phone. If i want to listen to music then FM radio is definitely the last place I'll go lookin....
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That's a good point.
Exactly why I have my ipod Nano..
KEVIN AND BEAN!! I MUST LISTEN TO YOU... oh yea and loveline... only reasons I would want an FM radio...
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+1... BUMP. And for all of you saying "why would you listen to FM radio? Pandora is way better" there is one show in particular here in town that I can only either stream over the internet (requires flash) or listen on the radio that would be kickass if I could catch over FM on my phone. If i want to listen to music then FM radio is definitely the last place I'll go lookin....
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not available in the UK though.
i hope we can tune in on FM soon....
I'm not sure I would use the FM radio every day, sure, but it's an important feature nonetheless. For fast local news with minimal battery drain there's nothing like having a radio handy.
Many of the on-line radio services are great/better, but require you to use precious data bandwidth, and I resent that. I don't like the idea of my phone being a gateway for the phone company to make more money off me. I spend most of my life within wifi hotspots, and use the cellular web service as little as possible. Apps, audio books, and presynched RSS feeds can pass the remaining time.
For example, I was shopping for an iPhone in the final months of '09, and the cell companies all offered to "unlock" the GPS function of the iPhone "for three months for free". Hang on, I asked, the iPhone has its own GPS, so why a) would I need them to "unlock" the capability and b) I would have to pay for my own GPS after the first three months? I learned that, while the GPS coordinates come for free, the maps are the domain of the cell company. Screw that.
One of the best features of the N1 is the built-in Google maps, and while I might be willing to pay one-time for TomTom maps or software (the best GPS OS imho) but pay every month forever, no way.
I was trying to do a little research in to if I could get the FM transmitter/reciever to work or if it would be even possible. A little google searching around I found this. And the person who had been doing the most work on that part of android was an actual broadcom employee. So I sent him a quick, polite email asking him about FM support in the Nexus one. It is as follows:
"Mr. Harte,
I noticed your commits here. Will Broadcom provide support/drivers for the FM transmitter/receiver in the Nexus One and other Android devices?
Sincerely,
Will"
And his surprisingly helpful and quick response:
"Hello,
The FM receiver is supported in the HTC Incredible and HTC EVO 4G. I’m not sure if the Nexus One hardware supports FM. The 4329 chip has FM, but I don’t know if the external components required for the FM Antenna are populated on the board. I believe there is also some work needed in the kernel to enable the audio path for FM, but if/when HTC open-sources the kernel for the EVO or Incredible, this should be evident. Also, the EVO and Incredible use the Broadcom Bluetooth stack, while the Nexus One uses BlueZ. I don’t think there is any support in BlueZ for FM. I have no idea about FM Transmit, but I would highly doubt it is possible to get that to work…
-Howard"
That makes me sad but at least now I know. Hopefully though this will provide some light to any crafty developers interested tinkering with this.
Shorthand.
Even if the hardware says fm/transmit/receive, we would have to solder, replace the bluetooth stack, and possibly replace the chip firmware to get it to work.
Short, short hand.. NO FM on nexus one.
No really, somehow he neglected to mention the sister Desire.
Regarding the antenna portion, it's been proven that the nexus can find stations. . .just not output any sound from them.
Mi|enko said:
Regarding the antenna portion, it's been proven that the nexus can find stations. . .just not output any sound from them.
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I do remember reading about that. Can you find the source? If thats true, then we know the only problem is the stack.
williamthrilliam said:
I do remember reading about that. Can you find the source? If thats true, then we know the only problem is the stack.
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Check the notes from Modaco's Desire ROM port. I think it's there. But since FM radio is analog, there may be a lot more to it than a stack.
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Check the notes from Modaco's Desire ROM port. I think it's there. But since FM radio is analog, there may be a lot more to it than a stack.
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Yup, his bluetooth doesn't work because he is using the Nexus One kernel. Well, we now know what part of the kernel isn't allowing the bluetooth to work; Bluez vs the Broadcom Stack. I don't know the legal implications of using it, but it seems like it would be possible.
Devastatin said:
Shorthand.
Even if the hardware says fm/transmit/receive, we would have to solder, replace the bluetooth stack, and possibly replace the chip firmware to get it to work.
Short, short hand.. NO FM on nexus one.
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Patently FALSE.
All we need is a kernel with FM support and the FM driver. Receive is definitely possible.
I do believe however that the power amplifier chips for transmitting are absent, so that won't be a possibility.
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Yup, his bluetooth doesn't work because he is using the Nexus One kernel. Well, we now know what part of the kernel isn't allowing the bluetooth to work; Bluez vs the Broadcom Stack. I don't know the legal implications of using it, but it seems like it would be possible.
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Getting an analog tuner that isn't connected to anything to tune is not much help. I don't care what software you write, if there is no output to be captured, it's not going to happen. It's like a cable box with no television connection. It tunes just fine. If the rest of the connecting hardware is there, then there's a shot. But Google has never said there would be FM in the Nexus One at any point. I am less than optimistic.
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Patently FALSE.
All we need is a kernel with FM support and the FM driver. Receive is definitely possible.
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That still has not been determined.
or you can go to your favorite radio station's website and click on "listen in" or whatever and now your listening to FM on your phone. =D
or maybe not, thats how it works on my pc..
i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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The Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG has all of these functions built in. FM, 802.11, bluetooth.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
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i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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The bluetooth/fm/wifi are all on one chipset.
ChillRays said:
or you can go to your favorite radio station's website and click on "listen in" or whatever and now your listening to FM on your phone. =D
or maybe not, thats how it works on my pc..
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For the most part yes (esp. with those of us with froyo and flas ). But what made me start searching for this was a tornado that past by me by only a few miles. I luckily was in the car and able to tune in to a station broadcasting the Emergency Broadcasting Systems's message, but I thought it would be nice to be able to do that on my phone.
RogerPodacter said:
i dont understand what the bluetooth has anything to do with this? why does it matter the blueZ vs broadcom bluetooth hardware? it sounds like the fm radio portion is there and can even pick up stations with an antenna, just routing the audio. but that doesnt need to happen thru bluetooh, it could happen through the headset or loudspeaker.
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Integrated circuits perform multiple functions. That broadcom chip could do a lot more than blue tooth. FM is analog. If all you have is the tuner and there is no connecting hardware, then yeah, you receive a signal, but it's going nowhere. If you can't capture the output, you can't use it. Do we know if the FM radio signal in the Desire is ever digitized? It could work like a regular FM radio and the digital/software part is for tuning purposes only and radio itself is analog. I read somewhere is that the HTC FM radios require wired headset use - and don't play back through blue tooth. Irony there, I think. Speculation is that is because they are used for an antenna, but I think it could also be that it's because it's an analog output. I am guessing the N1 is missing all the required circuits - except the tuner.
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Integrated circuits perform multiple functions. That broadcom chip could do a lot more than blue tooth. FM is analog. If all you have is the tuner and there is no connecting hardware, then yeah, you receive a signal, but it's going nowhere. If you can't capture the output, you can't use it. Do we know if the FM radio signal in the Desire is ever digitized? It could work like a regular FM radio and the digital/software part is for tuning purposes only and radio itself is analog. I read somewhere is that the HTC FM radios require wired headset use - and don't play back through blue tooth. Irony there, I think. Speculation is that is because they are used for an antenna, but I think it could also be that it's because it's an analog output. I am guessing the N1 is missing all the required circuits - except the tuner.
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This is true of the Touch Pro hardware at least. The FM Radio wouldn't function with out the headphones plugged in. It used the headphone wire as the antenna.
there is a great thread going in the nexus development area where some people are trying to write the kernel so that the sound has an output. It sounds like they are making great progress maybe anyone reading this thread who has some technical skills can help. I believe they too have been able to tune the phone to a station but not output the sound yet.
It seems to me we need definitive answers to the following 2 questions from HTC / Google ...
Q1. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio reception and output through either the speaker or headphones. YES/NO?
Q2. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio transmission of any type (music / voice). YES/NO?
If both answers are a definitive NO, we can move on. If there is a YES then the clever people here, who make the magic happen, have some hope of success.
Does anyone know the correct ppl at HTC / Google to ask these questions of?
I don’t have anything to add but would like to encourage you guys in your endeavour to get FM radio working on the N1 and also point you too or remind you what androidpolice reported at Google I/O
If this is true then perhaps all the building blocks are in place.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...nity-as-our-best-bet-post-google-io-coverage/
sd00 said:
It seems to me we need definitive answers to the following 2 questions from HTC / Google ...
Q1. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio reception and output through either the speaker or headphones. YES/NO?
Q2. Does the nexus one have the necessary hardware and interconnections for FM radio transmission of any type (music / voice). YES/NO?
If both answers are a definitive NO, we can move on. If there is a YES then the clever people here, who make the magic happen, have some hope of success.
Does anyone know the correct ppl at HTC / Google to ask these questions of?
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Or maybe we just need to think and use the info that we have in other threads on the subject. But I'll repeat things written in another thread, by myself and other guys:
Q1. Broadcom chip brief (the best doc available for it on the net) clearly shows the radio having no separate connections but using BT's high speed UART and I2C. The interconnects are the same, and since Paul's Desire port has radio control working - that means I2C is working too, so the answer is YES.
Q2. The stated output power of the chip is good enough for short-range transmission w/o a dedicated antenna, using headphone cord. The control and data are given in the same way as in Q1. So, the answer is YES again, but with more trouble - while there is a working device utilizing FM receiver functionality, which can at least theoretically be ported completely using its source, there is no device with FM transmitter, which means - if someone wants to use transmitter, that someone needs to acquire specific Broadcom documents for the chip.
So I guess the thread can be laid to rest, and anyone that can really help - for example, to go over Desire source and figure out the correct setting for QSD UART to receive FM audio and the procedures to stream it to the speaker - are welcome to head over to Dev section.
Where is the FM radio in the X5? . In the description of the phone it is listed. Unfortunately I can not find anywhere this application.
Hardware supports fm radio, but there is no software to use it... Its a disinfomation...
porting FM?
I tried to upload an FM radio with HTC and Motorola, but unfortunately when I start the program is stopped. Maybe there is someone who will try to match any of the available online programs to support FM radio?
i hope someone can do it for us.after all the hardware support it.
the unlucky news is that huawei said they will not do it,so we must rely on the other people,like some people here.
FM files
The system files, I found the files to the FM radio, it seems that only lacks a program that would be handled.
Are someone working on getting the FM radio to work? I would really appreciate if someone made it possible!
Registering ALOT of interest in a FM radio
Tried few fm radio apps on cm6.1 alpha4, few from miui rom and one called spirit fm radio. Neither does work. Spirit fm puts out errors on logcat. Miui one dont put out so many errors, but it says that audio is routed to hdmi and mute is on.
But maybe there is hope
fm
I installed it FMRadio. Although radio is not working but the program is not interrupted (FC). When you receive the "FM working ...." select button "back". the menu works. Radio comes with ROM DroidX. This is the only program FMRadio that I managed to install. It is worth to work on it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?bnmwkeknol967ca
My dreams are coming true, i hope the community gets behind this!
I have not had proper FM for years.
I've installed the FMRadio.apk but when I launch it, it sits on "FM Radio is being launched, please wait..."
If i go 'Back' i can access the menu, select a frequency and even set a preset, but it doesn't play.
According to Huawei Norway the x5 does not have the hardware to support fm radio.
The phone seems to have FM radio (the kernel initializes the chip and sets audio routes for fm), but those apps from Moto/HTC etc phones are designed for either for TI or Broadcom chips so won't work. There's also the possibility that the chip antenna isn't connected to the headphone jack so even if everything else is there you won't be able to get reception.
I did a bit of searching and there is a Qualcomm FM radio app.. might be an idea for someone to build this and see what it can do (probably it won't work, but you never know).
https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/packages/apps/FM.git;a=tree
chould some work it out? i wilk wait!
Is anyone still still looking into this?
This is the one feature that the x5 is missing that would make it a killer phone for the price point.
No news with Radio?
take a look to
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1151928&page=3
Radio Fm
My x5 have radio and is ok
I have instal de "Free spirit FM.apk" and is ok
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Dear friends,
I had read in some threads about the existence of the BCM4329 inside the HD2, that it makes FM receiver AND TRANSMITTER options possible.
So, I was wondering about the chance of having FM transmissions possible, if things had progressed with the years (those news are from 2010, still focused on WM6.5), also thanks to the existence of very updated versions of Android, although it seems to me that nowadays an FM API is still not available to us.
Thank you.
What are you talking about? Where did you search for this? As a Google search you are Fired!
Just instal Spirit FM and you are ready to use FM Radio on your magnificent HD2. Plug the Headphones which are needed as antenna. Also the Radio will turn on Bluetooth because the chip to run FM radio is implemented into it.
Have Fun.
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What are you talking about? Where did you search for this? As a Google search you are Fired!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622377
The only thing that I would like to add is that one of attached file is not exactly a datasheet but a simple brochure, at least in my opinion...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622377
The only thing that I would like to add is that one of attached file is not exactly a datasheet but a simple brochure, at least in my opinion...
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What is your point? I got HTC HD2 and I use Spirit and everything working fine. Where is your problem? Maybe you have the wrong Rom installed. I know someone complain with some rom but the hardware it's the same.
BTW, what FW trasmissions for?
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Dear friends,
I had read in some threads about the existence of the BCM4329 inside the HD2, that it makes FM receiver AND TRANSMITTER options possible.
So, I was wondering about the chance of having FM transmissions possible, if things had progressed with the years (those news are from 2010, still focused on WM6.5), also thanks to the existence of very updated versions of Android, although it seems to me that nowadays an FM API is still not available to us.
Thank you.
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Unfortunately, there hasn't been much progress on that field (as a matter of fact, there hasn't been any progress at all). If you read the replies in that thread, they couldn't make it work. The furthest the could get is to confirm that the HD2 indeed does have the chip.
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What is your point? I got HTC HD2 and I use Spirit and everything working fine. Where is your problem? Maybe you have the wrong Rom installed. I know someone complain with some rom but the hardware it's the same.
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He isn't talking about the radio receiver, he's talking about a radio transmitter. E.g. You run a special app, ask the app to transmit a song using radio. And then you can listen to that song, say, in a car using the radio. No wires/bluetooth connection needed. Simply tune in and listen. I really wished they did it.. what a pity.
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He isn't talking about the radio receiver, he's talking about a radio transmitter. E.g. You run a special app, ask the app to transmit a song using radio. And then you can listen to that song, say, in a car using the radio. No wires/bluetooth connection needed. Simply tune in and listen. I really wished they did it.. what a pity.
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Yeah, I figure out this at the end, my bad. :angel:
It will be a good option but the radio receiver will have to tune to a specific frequency and this part I think will be the issue here. In terms of words so simply but unconventional.
I think they don't do that for a national security.
Hi all, does the US version of Xperia X Compact have FM radio ? I would like to use the native FM radio without any apps/data.
Do we need any special firmware/rooting/apps to enable the FM radio (like we had to to enable the fingerprint sensor in the US version) ?
kishore247 said:
Hi all, does the US version of Xperia X Compact have FM radio ? I would like to use the native FM radio without any apps/data.
Do we need any special firmware/rooting/apps to enable the FM radio (like we had to to enable the fingerprint sensor in the US version) ?
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Yes. It has the station selection app built into the phone. Works without data or wifi. You do have to have something plugged into the headphone jack to work as an antenna though. Headphones, speaker, etc.
P.S. Side note I did flash the to the UK firmware, but I am pretty sure even before I did the radio was always there. May want to double check though just to be sure on the U.S. version.
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Yes. It has the station selection app built into the phone. Works without data or wifi. You do have to have something plugged into the headphone jack to work as an antenna though. Headphones, speaker, etc.
P.S. Side note I did flash the to the UK firmware, but I am pretty sure even before I did the radio was always there. May want to double check though just to be sure on the U.S. version.
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Thanks Halftrack. This is perfect, with the fingerprint sensor enabled through a hack on the US version and FM radio available, the XC will definitely be my next phone.