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Htc should have stick with one x design with the capacitive buttons... or use onscreeen button..
They already have an htc logo at the back they dont need an htc logo in front.. fail.. fail..
htc should make the new nexus.... with onscreen button and this kind of hardware..
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DustByte said:
Htc should have stick with one x design with the capacitive buttons... or use onscreeen button..
They already have an htc logo at the back they dont need an htc logo in front.. fail.. fail..
htc should make the new nexus.... with onscreen button and this kind of hardware..
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Disagree strongly. If HTC had used onscreen buttons I would have 0 interest in purchasing. I cant stand the onscreen buttons on the N4 and the N4 will be my last with them.
personally speaking I prefer proper buttons rather than the on screen ones as I always feel they cheat you of screen space.
and I am sure this guy is a troll..
yeh this guy's a goon. I'm eagerly watching Paul O'Brien's website as he's just got a One and is updating his site with reviews as we speak!! He seems very impressed!
http://www.modaco.com/page/news
OK, go to xda - find a thread with adding onscreen buttons on one and disabling hardware and that is it. If u don't like.
The War Horse said:
yeh this guy's a goon. I'm eagerly watching Paul O'Brien's website as he's just got a One and is updating his site with reviews as we speak!! He seems very impressed!
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Yeah he seems really excited. thanx for the link
Two things that Google pushed that are plain wrong:
- On-screen buttons (why would anyone want a black bar always taking up screen real estate)
- Getting rid of the menu button (we always use it, it's crucial)
WTH is wrong with having capacitive buttons? The only reason I can think of is if you have a bezel-less device, but no one has made one, so what's the point!
- end rant
I love the button layout
Joshnor713 said:
Two things that Google pushed that are plain wrong:
- On-screen buttons (why would anyone want a black bar always taking up screen real estate)
- Getting rid of the menu button (we always use it, it's crucial)
WTH is wrong with having capacitive buttons? The only reason I can think of is if you have a bezel-less device, but no one has made one, so what's the point!
- end rant
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The black bar is a side affect of an app not supporting the ActionBar.
The onscreen buttons have the advantage of being icons, of being available at the top or bottom of the screen.
Look at Google Maps, there is a bar of context sensitive icons, with an overflow (the 3 vertical dots) that your menu button activates.
Agree
DustByte said:
Htc should have stick with one x design with the capacitive buttons... or use onscreeen button..
They already have an htc logo at the back they dont need an htc logo in front.. fail.. fail..
htc should make the new nexus.... with onscreen button and this kind of hardware..
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I completely agree with that. I have the One X, and after activating the "menu fix", i.e. long-press multi-task = menu, it is a lot more usable. With the multi-task button gone, it does not make much sense to upgrade to the HTC One. (long-press home = menu would be a bit weird, tbh.) There are a lot of apps still out there (and will be for the time being), that do not support the action bar.
I think they should either go with on-screen buttons only, or offer at least three capacitative ones. This in between thing makes no sense.
AW: Htc capacitive buttons fail?
Onscreen wastes a lot of space.
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I've just read/watched the Engadget review.
I'm sold on the device. My concern is around the hardware keys. I much prefer hardware keys to software keys because the SW keys eat up so much of the on-screen real estate, and they also push the keyboard higher and make it harder to reach.
That being said, it seems by dropping the menu key, HTC has taken a step backwards after they mapped the legacy menu key to the HW menu key in recent versions of the One X / X+ build in Sense 4+. From what I've read, the legacy menu is back.
This is *bad* and has me thinking about another direction (although there doesn't seem to be a great device like the One - don't think the S4 will be anything interesting unless they've been setting up a smokescreen!).
I run an alternative launcher because I dislike Sense (other than the Camera!), but it won't solve the missing HW key / legacy menu.
Thoughts?
The two button layout doesn't bother me too much. I removed the soft keys on my Nexus 4 and use PIE so if I can function without any buttons, I'm sure I'll live with two. As for the legacy menu thing, that's an odd on HTC's part. Granted, apps should be updated to have proper menu button support, but it's something I can live with.
The removal of long press back remapping was/is probably a bug, I'm sure it will be back
idk about everyone else but i will root and flash my device just like every other phone ive had. with that we will be able to do almost what we want personalization wise. how long will we have to wait is the question.
eg1122 said:
The removal of long press back remapping was/is probably a bug, I'm sure it will be back
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Agreed. I heard about this early on but it's not being mentioned in reviews. If nothing else HTC will cave to peer pressure like in the HOX. Long press on back is a passable solution - particularly if we can also get the in-app menu button too.
Otherwise the other idea being thrown about (by non technical people) is if the kernel can be modded to recognise the HTC logo as a button - given that the touch panel should extend over that as well. No idea how possible this is and I presume it couldn't be done until kernel source is out.
M.
Only two buttons doesn't bother me either, i only have one on my iphone!
I'm actually cool with just 2 button too. I rarely use my menu button on my mt4g. I do everything with just the home button and back button. Also rather have capacitive buttons instead of hard buttons.
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I use the multitasking and menu options quite a bit, thus my concern
I also use the menu button quite a bit.
I am sure once we get used to it, it will be like anything else and heck, we might even like it more. Who knows till we get to play withem...
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Is it possible to activate soft buttons by editing build.prop on HTC Sense roms ?
CreepyDroid said:
Is it possible to activate soft buttons by editing build.prop on HTC Sense roms ?
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I guess. It's possible on TouchWiz, so I guess you can add a line in the build.prop in Sense too.
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My main goal would be to deactivate the hardware buttons and go completely nexus wise.
| Back - Home - Recent (small menu button when needed) |
Are stock on screen buttons smart enough to activate the additional menu button when needed?
Also... can long press software home button activate google now?
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I use the multitasking and menu options quite a bit, thus my concern
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So do I but a long press of the button to bring up the multi tasking menu is hardly a dealbreaker for me. Could prove to be annoying though. Time will tell I guess!
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^ I don't mind long-press for multi-tasking (it's what I am using today); the issue is that you can't have home, multi-tasking, Google Now and Legacy menu all on one key! I've been seeing some comments about long-press back used but the legacy menu really needs to be a single-press.
Dun recall where i read it, but the home key on double tap brings up multi tasker and on long press can b configured for google now or menu key. Thats acceptable to me.
I do prefer the 3 keys on my hox, but i realize that htc had to make a compromise to accomodate the logo. The logo could not have been placed elsewhere on the front without adding to the height of the phone.
In the end, its not a big issie and we will get used to it. Moving from 4 keys on dhd to 3 on the hox wasnt pleasing to me in the beginning, but adapted soon.
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i think its great, i never used the other two buttons anyway.
I have only tested on the Sprint N3 so far, I will test on the T-Mo version later.
In the past, Note 2, S4, etc., I was able to enable the ICS-style soft key by using the qemu.hw.mainkeys=0 trick. When I apply that on the N3, the System UI crashes constantly.
Is there a way around this? Is this a situation where the System UI is missing the icons or something else? I would very much like to have the soft keys back...
Thanks.
Edit: It has become clear that I will need to edit SystemUI to add the missing parts to get this to work. Please see post 5 below.
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I have only tested on the Sprint N3 so far, I will test on the T-Mo version later.
In the past, Note 2, S4, etc., I was able to enable the ICS-style soft key by using the qemu.hw.mainkeys=0 trick. When I apply that on the N3, the System UI crashes constantly.
Is there a way around this? Is this a situation where the System UI is missing the icons or something else? I would very much like to have the soft keys back...
Thanks.
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I am curious as to why you would want the soft keys back when the hardware buttons work with the s-pen and you should be able to reprogram the function of the hardware button if you have root.
iankellogg said:
I am curious as to why you would want the soft keys back when the hardware buttons work with the s-pen and you should be able to reprogram the function of the hardware button if you have root.
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Preference. The hardware Home key is mechanical and the "feel" is different. I like having the consistent touch experience of the on-screen soft keys. I especially miss the ICS customizable soft keys where I was able to customize the location and menu, but that is another story.
In my N2s, I turn off the backlight to the hardware keys and used the on screen soft keys. Worked well for me.
Oh yea, the soft key/NavBar also provides a dedicated button for switching between apps that the hardware doesn't.
I found that the S4 needed its SystemUI edited to enable the NavBar. At the very least, the images are missing. I believe the same goes for the N3. See this post:
[GUIDE][MOD] Enable navigation bar 4.2.2
I can use some help on porting the edits to N3. Anyone?
I've been looking for a solution for a long time now and now finally, I found it!
Thanks! Let me know how it works out for you
Did anyone get this working?
Could someone provide the SystemUI.apk?
Shameless bump. I've read the guides but it's all a little over my head. I really want soft keys, its the last piece of the puzzle to get the phone that way I want it to be. Anyone willing to help out?
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Shameless bump. I've read the guides but it's all a little over my head. I really want soft keys, its the last piece of the puzzle to get the phone that way I want it to be. Anyone willing to help out?
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Same here, I really would like soft keys if anyone would be willing to work on it
I'm have slight buyers remorse, but I have a few more days till I can't return it for a full refund. I hoping to find out if any of the issue I have with the Note 3 or more accurately touchwiz will be able to be solved. I'm coming from a history of running customs ROMS on my galaxy S1 and galaxy S2, most of the time cyaogenmod. Lucky I find touchwiz has improved but here are my over all gripes:
Can't change the vibration pattern for notifications, most importantly text messages and emails. You can create customs patterns but they are only for calls. This is my biggest problem right now. And the fact that clearing a message from the notification bar doesn't mark it as read is annoying.
I would love on screen buttons, with this much screen restate it's a great phone for on screen buttons, I also find getting low enough to press the capacitive buttons with my thumb and still holding the phone a bit difficult and I think I would have no trouble if there was on screen buttons. - SoftKey Enabler, requires root- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fatedevgroup.softkeyenabler&feature=search_result
Home buttons wakes the phone - Fixable by mod or wanam http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477150
Double home press open magazine - Settings in Magazine, gesture disable can be done by freezing magazine in titanium
Replace S Voice with google voice. - Freeze with titanium then use double tap to get to google voice
Remove all toggles from notification area, have all the toggles in the toggle pane
Remove the persitant icons from the task bar (blocking mode, smart stay, NFC)
All logs in phone log - fixable with app - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.log.converter.ics
I really got used and liked the pop up/quick message window option that cyaogenmod had. I would like that along with the removal of chat bubbles.
I also liked black/Holo design, I sure this can and will come some how. Also we'll see how kitkat ends up looking...
How likely is it that my gripes with touchwiz can be fixed, yet still stay on touchwiz framework due to not wanting to lose functionality? I am aware it will require root and most likely a custom ROM, but if I was able to start out with just some modifications to stock rom, that might be a good start. I might find out but 1-4 are my biggest complaints. I love the note 3's hardware, but I'm hoping the roms/touchwiz won't push me toward the nexus 5....
One additional question, all these model numbers are confusing as hell. I have the N900W8, will that hinder my ability to use custom roms? Is it an equivalent to another model number? (X-Note is the only roms I've seen so far the explicitly says its compatible with the 900W8)
Answer:
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Since Canadian users can flash T-Mobile and N9005 ROM.
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From: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497263
All suggestions welcome.
Edited with solutions in blue. I haven't tried them yet
If you open Magazine and hit menu, then choose Settings, you can turn the double home press off from in there.
The swipe from the bottom gesture can't be disabled short of doing something like freezing Magazine with Titanium Backup.
bnevets27 said:
I'm have slight buyers remorse, but I have a few more days till I can't return it for a full refund. I hoping to find out if any of the issue I have with the Note 3 or more accurately touchwiz will be able to be solved. I'm coming from a history of running customs ROMS on my galaxy S1 and galaxy S2, most of the time cyaogenmod. Lucky I find touchwiz has improved but here are my over all gripes:
I would love on screen buttons, with this much screen restate it's a great phone for on screen buttons, I also find getting low enough to press the capacitive buttons with my thumb and still holding the phone a bit difficult and I think I would have no trouble if there was on screen buttons
Can't change the vibration pattern for notifications, most importantly text messages and emails. You can create customs patterns but they are only for calls.
Home buttons wakes the phone - I did read somewhere this was able to be disabled
Double home press open magazine
Replace S Voice with google voice.
Remove all toggles from notification area, have all the toggles in the toggle pane
Remove the persitant icons from the task bar (blocking mode, smart stay, NFC)
All logs in phone log - fixable with app, easiest one yet.
How likely is it that my gripes with touchwiz can be fixed, yet still stay on touchwiz framework due to not wanting to lose functionality? I am aware it will require root and most likely a custom ROM, but if I was able to start out with just some modifications to stock rom, that might be a good start. I might find out but 1-4 are my biggest complaints. I love the note 3's hardware, but I'm hoping the roms/touchwiz won't push me toward the nexus 5....
One additional question, all these model numbers are confusing as hell. I have the N900W8, will that hinder my ability to use custom roms? Is it an equivalent to another model number? (X-Note is the only roms I've seen so far the explicitly says its compatible with the 900W8)
All suggestions welcome.
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would love to know the solutions to this list as well!
wilflare said:
would love to know the solutions to this list as well!
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A fwlew of these things are easily fixed with xposed wanam module. You need to be rooted though. As for Google voice, freeze svoice (maybe you can just clear defaults, but I froze it) then when you double tap home, you'll be given options in what you want that to do.
bnevets27 said:
I would love on screen buttons, with this much screen restate it's a great phone for on screen buttons, I also find getting low enough to press the capacitive buttons with my thumb and still holding the phone a bit difficult and I think I would have no trouble if there was on screen buttons
Remove all toggles from notification area, have all the toggles in the toggle pane
All logs in phone log - fixable with app, easiest one yet.
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looking how to change these. hmm
I don't like the hardkey. It feels different to press than a softkey. It takes longer to press and takes me out of my rythm. Therefore I tend not to use it as much (have built some alternate shortcut gestures into my launcher and my Notification Toggle setup).
Also from what I have seen softkeys last longer than hardkeys... the softkeys have no mechanical parts to wear out.
The whole thing bugs me, but I think I'd feel better if I understood WHY this design decision was made...
So can anyone explain the ADVANTAGES of having a hardkey home button?
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I don't like the hardkey. It feels different to press than a softkey. It takes longer to press and takes me out of my rythm. Therefore I tend not to use it as much (have built some alternate shortcut gestures into my launcher and my Notification Toggle setup).
Also from what I have seen softkeys last longer than hardkeys... the softkeys have no mechanical parts to wear out.
The whole thing bugs me, but I think I'd feel better if I understood WHY this design decision was made...
So can anyone explain the ADVANTAGES of having a hardkey home button?
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I prefer a hard key for the exact opposite of what you said.
BTW, why do you own a S4 ???
The day I cant buy an Android phone with a real home button will be the day Ill switch to something else.
Switching from the straight talk galaxy S2 to the S4 took me a bit to get use to as the S2 didn't have a hard key.... but I like the hard key better.... I think its more of a personal preference than anything
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I miss the HTC Amaze.. Power, camera, and volume were the only buttons on the phone.
I miss the smooth glass home button at the bottom of the screen between the menu and back buttons
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Softkey takes screen real estate, but, will relocate landscape to portrait. When a major crash occurs softkey will not work. Softkey is more suscptable to accidental presses.
Hardkey has a completely different tactile feel.
This is one of many reasons why I prefer Samsung to Nexus. Each to their own.
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I love being able to wake the screen with the menu button. This is much easier when using a case.
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First of all, welcome to the late party.
Second, I hated the hard key also.
Now though, I love the fact that I can "feel" the key without looking for it.
Guess I'd rather have a capacitive key still, but it would need to be a raised button that I can "feel".
Didn't we do this thread like nine months ago?
About fourteen times, back to back threads?
I like the hard key as well. I can turn on the phone using it
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bennyboy78 said:
I like the hard key as well. I can turn on the phone using it
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It's amazing how there is no one feature that can please everyone.
I actually have that option disabled on my phone.
Drives me nuts because everytime I pick up my phone, I'd accidentally press that button and the phone would turn on. Or when I wipe down my screen, I'd hit that button and with the next wipe, I'd unlock my phone and inadvertently open an app or something. hahah
CZ Eddie said:
Didn't we do this thread like nine months ago?
About fourteen times, back to back threads?
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Unfortunately, that's about 90% of the threads in this particular forum now.
My bad. I'm new to S4. I didn't search but got the whim to express some frustration in what I thought would be a light-hearted conversational thread. Not the best decision in retrospect. Next time I'll do that on the Off-topic Cafe thread when I get that urge.
I think a big plus of using both a hard key and the touch sensitive keys (I really dislike the soft keys taking screen real estate, if they disappeared for full screen applications, I'd be more supportive – but I digress) is just being able to feel where the touch sensitive keys are without having to look at the phone. Long live the hard key