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Is there any reason why I SHOULDN'T update to OTA 4.3?

As the title states, is there any reason why I shouldn't update to OTA 4.3?
I'm currently running a stock, non-rooted SGH-I337M on Bell. I'm just wondering about KNOX...if I start messing with my phone, should I do it from 4.2?

I updated to 4.3 and I'm seeing a little jank, and it feels less robust than 4.2.2 was. Also, if you intend to root or do a custom recovery/ROM, you will have to wait a few weeks until the bootloader is unlocked and some more cutting gets done on 4.3 before you can do anything like that.

aycockonxion said:
I updated to 4.3 and I'm seeing a little jank, and it feels less robust than 4.2.2 was. Also, if you intend to root or do a custom recovery/ROM, you will have to wait a few weeks until the bootloader is unlocked and some more cutting gets done on 4.3 before you can do anything like that.
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Hmm...I don't think that the Canadian bootloaders are locked.

Snizzoop said:
Hmm...I don't think that the Canadian bootloaders are locked.
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Ahh yes, I understand that you are correct.

aycockonxion said:
Ahh yes, I understand that you are correct.
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So, as I understand it then...
...if I update to MK6, I will have KNOX.
The only reason I should be concerned about tripping KNOX is if I need to send the phone in for warranty, OR if I want to put the phone on some sort of enterprise server? If I don't care about either of these things, I should flash the OTA...and then root/ROM without worry?

Snizzoop said:
So, as I understand it then...
...if I update to MK6, I will have KNOX.
The only reason I should be concerned about tripping KNOX is if I need to send the phone in for warranty, OR if I want to put the phone on some sort of enterprise server? If I don't care about either of these things, I should flash the OTA...and then root/ROM without worry?
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Virtually no carriers actually check to see if you're rooted.. Once it's accepted for warranty by the carrier it's sent to Samsung and disassembled. It carries some risk, but realistically it's not something to lose sleep over.

I'm in the same boat. I do want to root my phone soon then flash it when the 1 year warranty runs out. Should I root now or after my update? (It's asking to update now)
Would I lose root after my update anyway?

Snizzoop said:
So, as I understand it then...
...if I update to MK6, I will have KNOX.
The only reason I should be concerned about tripping KNOX is if I need to send the phone in for warranty, OR if I want to put the phone on some sort of enterprise server? If I don't care about either of these things, I should flash the OTA...and then root/ROM without worry?
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If you don't care about either then updating to MK6 isn't going to hurt. The only other concern may be that as far as I know there is no way to revert back to 4.2.2/MG1. I have heard some people were having weird issues around OTAs though like incomplete or frozen downloads and having to start it over again. You can also flash through Kies on your computer now. I assume most of the OTA issues have been resolved now, but imho using a usb cable is always the better practice.
Maleki said:
I'm in the same boat. I do want to root my phone soon then flash it when the 1 year warranty runs out. Should I root now or after my update? (It's asking to update now)
Would I lose root after my update anyway?
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Yes. I had to unroot to get OTA though, then re-root afterwards.
You guys might want to review this thread as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2535801. There are other options to OTA and Kies.

aycockonxion said:
Virtually no carriers actually check to see if you're rooted.. Once it's accepted for warranty by the carrier it's sent to Samsung and disassembled. It carries some risk, but realistically it's not something to lose sleep over.
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The repair process works a little different in my area. If I have an issue, I take my phone to the store...I use a loaner phone while they send mine to a repair facility. If the repair facility finds a reason not to perform repairs under warranty, they don't.
crazy_dr0id said:
If you don't care about either then updating to MK6 isn't going to hurt. The only other concern may be that as far as I know there is no way to revert back to 4.2.2/MG1. I have heard some people were having weird issues around OTAs though like incomplete or frozen downloads and having to start it over again. You can also flash through Kies on your computer now. I assume most of the OTA issues have been resolved now, but imho using a usb cable is always the better practice.
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10-4.
Last question...rooting doesn't give that "custom" warning at boot, does it? I think that's only once you install a custom recovery?

If you are not planning on rooting or anything I say go for it. It seems a lot smoother for me, battery life seems far better, im getting slightly better service, and lastly we have built in emojis now (granted you can only send them as an mms through text but you are able to see them system wide now on apps such as ig or twitter etc) I personally say go for it.

Snizzoop said:
Last question...rooting doesn't give that "custom" warning at boot, does it? I think that's only once you install a custom recovery?
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I think it does, but honestly can't remember... did mine on Nov 23rd and flashed a custom rom within an hr of rooting.

crazy_dr0id said:
If you don't care about either then updating to MK6 isn't going to hurt. The only other concern may be that as far as I know there is no way to revert back to 4.2.2/MG1. I have heard some people were having weird issues around OTAs though like incomplete or frozen downloads and having to start it over again. You can also flash through Kies on your computer now. I assume most of the OTA issues have been resolved now, but imho using a usb cable is always the better practice.
Yes. I had to unroot to get OTA though, then re-root afterwards.
You guys might want to review this thread as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2535801. There are other options to OTA and Kies.
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My plan was to go stock for a year then when the initial warranty runs out (I have sweet extended one through the re-seller) I was going to go with a custom rom. That's what I did with my S1. It doesn't look like I'll have the luxury. I already updated once and got a secure boot. Lesson learned I guess.

Slow Charging
The new update really takes a long time to charge if you are using a 3rd party charger. Idk if its true for everyone, or if this was done on purpose but I notice my gs4 charging wayyyyy slower than on 4.2.2.

Will we keep root on kitkat

With an update to kitkat happening in the near future I started to think that root may not be so easy. Our bootloader being locked down don't help matters. Right now Kingo is giving users problems and the only other option being vroot.
But what if neither of these work with kitkat?
I will not take an update until I confirm root is possible.
If there's any devs out there that can unlock this bad boy please don't give up.
So what's everyone else think?

I think that in the future people who want root will need to buy a developer's edition.
Frank
SGH-I717(AoCP6.4), SM-N900V/MI9(dlV), XDA Premium

Frank Westlake said:
I think that in the future people who want root will need to buy a developer's edition.
Frank
SGH-I717(AoCP6.4), SM-N900V/MI9(dlV), XDA Premium
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True but the unfortunate thing is Verizon and or Samsung don't make enough available.
Would be nice if they started to manufacture more dev units in the future.
Or Verizon can just unlock the bootloaders.

Harleydroid said:
True but the unfortunate thing is Verizon and or Samsung don't make enough available.
Would be nice if they started to manufacture more dev units in the future.
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I'm guessing that they will make more. There will, and may now be, some significant legal difference between the two. A lot of people want rooted phones so when bootloaders are no longer exploitable they will come up with a scheme to exploit those root-wanters.
Frank
SGH-I717(AoCP6.4), SM-N900V/MI9(dlV), XDA Premium

I heard a while ago that kitkat could break some root apps. I wonder if anyone is experiencing that?
I haven't heard anyone say anything about it so hopefully that's not a factor anymore.

Harleydroid said:
I heard a while ago that kitkat could break some root apps. I wonder if anyone is experiencing that?
I haven't heard anyone say anything about it so hopefully that's not a factor anymore.
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Look up Chainfire on Google+ he has a write up on root breakage with KitKat in his community. Lots of good stuff there.

Misterxtc said:
Look up Chainfire on Google+ he has a write up on root breakage with KitKat in his community. Lots of good stuff there.
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Yeah that's the source I heard it from a while back. I will have to check out his G+

not worth update
Harleydroid said:
Yeah that's the source I heard it from a while back. I will have to check out his G+
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i have KK on another phone(razr maxx) and no root problems. the difference btw jb and kk isn't worth any potential problems. kk is such a minor update i won't update the note3 until a root is out there and tested

Harleydroid said:
Yeah that's the source I heard it from a while back. I will have to check out his
Edut
Nermind i found him.
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Looks like kitkat could be soon. Probably still a month or more out but thought I'd share this.
http://www.elementalxdesigns.com/eclipse/showthread.php?t=8759
Samsung lays out which devices will get Android 4.4.2 KitKat

Anybody hear any news on kitkat for us Verizon guys?
I see Tmo guys have been able to root 4.4.2 with Chainfires CF Autoroot tool but it trips knox.
Wonder how this is going to be for us?
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipse Note 3??

Kingo might work.

XzxBATTxzX said:
Kingo might work.
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Kingo doesn't work for the Tmo guys.
But it's possible they might update it to work in the future I guess.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??

Harleydroid said:
Kingo doesn't work for the Tmo guys.
But it's possible they might update it to work in the future I guess.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??
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Thought we were talking about Verizon?

XzxBATTxzX said:
Thought we were talking about Verizon?
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Lol yes we are I was just saying that kingo didn't work for them but was before kitkat.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??

Everything I've read about how Kitkat screws up access to SD card makes me want to have no part of it. When I hear it is coming to vzw I plan to root and try to figure out how to stay stock mje and block updates. The only thing I really want fixed is the compass and since Nobody admits it's a problem I don't expect any update to fix it.
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recDNA said:
Everything I've read about how Kitkat screws up access to SD card makes me want to have no part of it. When I hear it is coming to vzw I plan to root and try to figure out how to stay stock mje and block updates. The only thing I really want fixed is the compass and since Nobody admits it's a problem I don't expect any update to fix it.
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Yes from what I have read guys are not happy with the kitkat update. Of course thats on the other carriers.
I guess we will just have to wait and see
?Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3?

,Kitkat is Kitkat. No way we'll have free access to our sd cards
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Harleydroid said:
Kingo doesn't work for the Tmo guys.
But it's possible they might update it to work in the future I guess.
??Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3??
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Tmobile guys don't need kingo to root since they have an unlocked bootloader. If it wasn't for t-mobile's poor network compared to verizon I'd switch in a heat beat.

sulla65 said:
Tmobile guys don't need kingo to root since they have an unlocked bootloader. If it wasn't for t-mobile's poor network compared to verizon I'd switch in a heat beat.
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They were having trouble rooting the kitkat build on tmo. My friend just picked up a tmo note 3 and the only way for him to root was to use chainfires CF autoroot but it trips knox. Which he didn't care.
?Tapped via my Blacked out Eclipsed Note 3?

[Q] Is it worth to trip knox

Only two months remaining in my warranty. should I trip knox? If ktoonsez kernel comes for TW lollipop then I for sure will trip knox. But other than ktoonsez kernel, Is there anything worth to trip knox for?

I tripped knox 2 months after purchase.
I don't regret it at all. I can backup my apps with titanium backup. I can use viper4android. I can increase and decrease the performance (depending if I need battery life or not).
I felt very restrained without root.

Finally, I tripped my knox...!!!

khsh97 said:
Finally, I tripped my knox...!!!
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Do you still FEEL the same as before?

Wildwind101 said:
Do you still FEEL the same as before?
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what do you mean? I am not getting your question. In what aspect should I feel same or different than before? Please, explain little bit your question.

khsh97 said:
what do you mean? I am not getting your question. In what aspect should I feel same or different than before? Please, explain little bit your question.
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Haha, that was a joke

Wildwind101 said:
Haha, that was a joke
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haha.... I am feeling happy than before. Now, I am using philz recovery and hybridmax kernel and my phone has become very smooth. Now, I can directly root my phone without waiting for safe root method.
Now I can use my phone the way I want. Now its my phone instead of samsung....lol!!!

khsh97 said:
haha.... I am feeling happy than before. Now, I am using philz recovery and hybridmax kernel and my phone has become very smooth. Now, I can directly root my phone without waiting for safe root method.
Now I can use my phone the way I want. Now its my phone instead of samsung....lol!!!
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You have been LIBERATED my friend

Wildwind101 said:
You have been LIBERATED my friend
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Yeah I am and you also.

Does the device belongs to Samsung or you???

Lim Wee Huat said:
Does the device belongs to Samsung or you???
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Before tripping knox, it belong to samsung. But now after tripping knox, it belong to me. Of course the device is from samsung so I am going to say it belong to both of us.
what about your device? Does it belong to you or Samsung???

[Extremely Confused] Rooting the T-Mobile Galaxy S5 and flashing Cyanogenmod 12.1

Hi I recently got a T-Mobile Galaxy S5 and I despise Touchwiz. It looks ugly and more importantly it makes my phone extremely sluggish (it feels like my Moto G when it would run out of RAM). I want to root and put a ROM that's as near stock as possible (I'm assuming CM12.1 is the best option for that) but I haven't rooted since the Galaxy S2 so all the information I'm reading is super overwhelming. All these stickied posts seem rather outdated coming from like 2014 and such. I'm on 5.1.1 and I honestly just want as lagfree of an experience as possible. Can someone here please help me acheive this? I've been researching for 2 weeks now and I'm horribly confused. I keep reading about custom kernels and all that but all I want is my phone to not suck.

You'll get more answers in the correct forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help
Have you tried a different Launcher first though? TouchWiz Launcher is terrible, Nova Launcher is what a lot of people use, myself too, super fast, smooth with 100x more customisation options

*Detection* said:
You'll get more answers in the correct forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/help
Have you tried a different Launcher first though? TouchWiz Launcher is terrible, Nova Launcher is what a lot of people use, myself too, super fast, smooth with 100x more customisation options
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I use Nova, it's not enough to stop the dumpster fire that is Touchwiz

What are you confused about? Are you rooted?
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pnut22r said:
What are you confused about? Are you rooted?
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I'm not rooted. I'm confused because when I try to figure out how to root and flash my phone all I see is a bunch of different guides and I'm not sure which is the one I should do.

Not sure if the T-Mobile bootloader is locked, I know the Verizon one is, and another US carrier, if it is locked, it's a PITA
If it's not, flash CF Auto Root for the G900F with ODIN

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Not sure if the T-Mobile bootloader is locked, I know the Verizon one is, and another US carrier, if it is locked, it's a PITA
If it's not, flash CF Auto Root for the G900F with ODIN
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T-Mobile S5 doesn't come with a locked bootloader which is good. I have the G900T would that work?

Abu_The_Unicorn said:
T-Mobile S5 doesn't come with a locked bootloader which is good. I have the G900T would that work?
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If you're sure it's not bootloader locked, just flash this with ODIN
http://download.chainfire.eu/407/CF-Root1/CF-Auto-Root-kltetmo-kltetmo-smg900t.zip

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If you're sure it's not bootloader locked, just flash this with ODIN
http://download.chainfire.eu/407/CF-Root1/CF-Auto-Root-kltetmo-kltetmo-smg900t.zip
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How do I flash something with Odin? And will this work on 5.1.1?

Best do some reading before messing if you don't know how to use ODIN
And no, I don't believe it works with 5.1.1, there is a thread about rooting 5.1.1

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Best do some reading before messing if you don't know how to use ODIN
And no, I don't believe it works with 5.1.1, there is a thread about rooting 5.1.1
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Now do you see why I'm confused? There's so many things that I don't know but I can't find anyone to teach me

Abu_The_Unicorn said:
Now do you see why I'm confused? There's so many things that I don't know but I can't find anyone to teach me
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Was the same for me when I got mine, I spent 2-3 weeks reading every single thread I could before I decided I knew enough to root and be confident I wasn't going to brick it
And that was after I was already well experienced with Android, just a different device
Don't try taking shortcuts is my advice, asking for help and guides is one thing, but reading absolutely everything you can first is the only sure way to not kill your phone
Read this entire thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/warning-root-install-recovery-t-mobile-t3140807
And then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmo...t/root-kernel-root-method-fof6-5-1-1-t3158005

Abu_The_Unicorn said:
Now do you see why I'm confused? There's so many things that I don't know but I can't find anyone to teach me
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You can ask me questions if you get stuck at one point I'd love to help a fellow android user. Just either post here or send me a private message of where you're at and we will go from there.

[Q] Root limits

Hey I've read smth about a 80% charge limit after tripping knox, but couldn't seem to find anything about it in the root threads, is it true and are there any other limits besides the unusability of knox required apps and some banking apps...?
Thanks in advance .

kriki200 said:
Hey I've read smth about a 80% charge limit after tripping knox, but couldn't seem to find anything about it in the root threads, is it true and are there any other limits besides the unusability of knox required apps and some banking apps...?
Thanks in advance .
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Stay with stock root is not worth it
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PoochyX said:
Stay with stock root is not worth it
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Well I haven't rooted since Note 4, but as far as I remember the ROM's were worth it on that device and I didn't rly miss the samsung features (maybe cuz I rooted the same day of gtting it).

kriki200 said:
Well I haven't rooted since Note 4, but as far as I remember the ROM's were worth it on that device and I didn't rly miss the samsung features (maybe cuz I rooted the same day of gtting it).
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Root always comes back and bites you in the ass
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PoochyX said:
Root always comes back and bites you in the ass
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Don't get what you mean exactly...

kriki200 said:
Don't get what you mean exactly...
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There's always a chance of your phone messing up with root
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There's always a chance of your phone messing up with root
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Somewhere along the way I kinda stopped counting bricks ...

Yes we can only charge to 80% I found a method to get higher. I wouldn't trade root for anything on this device. It makes it bearable. I run modded TouchWiz and viper. Ui tweaks. There's very little you can do to really brick your phone as we still have locked bootloader Most hard bricks are recoverable. I prefer rooted nougat over pie any day of the week.
Btw bricks are fun. Fun to figure out why and how to recover.

TheMadScientist said:
Yes we can only charge to 80% I found a method to get higher. I wouldn't trade root for anything on this device. It makes it bearable. I run modded TouchWiz and viper. Ui tweaks. There's very little you can do to really brick your phone as we still have locked bootloader Most hard bricks are recoverable. I prefer rooted nougat over pie any day of the week.
Btw bricks are fun. Fun to figure out why and how to recover.
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The bricks part xD, is the charging over 80 stable tho, can you post the method?

Another thing, charging over 80 isn't recoverable by just reflashing the official stock(ie unrooted and all), right?

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Another thing, charging over 80 isn't recoverable by just reflashing the official stock(ie unrooted and all), right?
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Yea it is. It a limit implemented by the kernel we need for rooting. Once the stock firmwares kernel is flashed back all undone. No tripped Knox.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...rge-past-80-snap-dragon-t3918553/post79280899
Once you've done this a few times it's like first nature

kriki200 said:
Hey I've read smth about a 80% charge limit after tripping knox, but couldn't seem to find anything about it in the root threads, is it true and are there any other limits besides the unusability of knox required apps and some banking apps...?
Thanks in advance .
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Which model do you have. You can't trip Knox on the us 950Us. And the 950fs do not have the charge limit. If you flash back stock Samsung pay and all the banking apps will work again on the 950u

PoochyX said:
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ive never had root bite me in the ass. ive had mistakes ive made due to not reading enough before installing and tweaking a mod, but thats not roots fault.

TheMadScientist said:
Yea it is. It a limit implemented by the kernel we need for rooting. Once the stock firmwares kernel is flashed back all undone. No tripped Knox.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...rge-past-80-snap-dragon-t3918553/post79280899
Once you've done this a few times it's like first nature
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Thought knox was irreversable due to it being an efuse or smth...

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Which model do you have. You can't trip Knox on the us 950Us. And the 950fs do not have the charge limit. If you flash back stock Samsung pay and all the banking apps will work again on the 950u
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I have the 950F .

kriki200 said:
I have the 950F .
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Thought you had the american version.

TheMadScientist said:
Thought you had the american version.
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Nope from EU... about the knox, I thought that it doesn't reset back to 0x0 after flashing stock ... anyheways thanks for all the info dude .

I think the 80% charge for rooting doesn't happen with the Exynos versions tho

panchovix said:
I think the 80% charge for rooting doesn't happen with the Exynos versions tho
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No only us models
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When most people post about the 80% limit I assume they have a 950 U

kriki200 said:
Thought knox was irreversable due to it being an efuse or smth...
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it is irreversible
kriki200 said:
Nope from EU... about the knox, I thought that it doesn't reset back to 0x0 after flashing stock ... anyways thanks for all the info dude .
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it wont return to 0x0 after flashing stock